Re: disease, disorder or difference?

[Guest guest]

>I have a doctorate in chemistry and post-doctoral training in the

biomedical sciences, yet my metaphysical training and experiences have

led me to question an underlying assumption of medicine and most of

science, which is that physical materiality rules, that we are the

body and our minds are some kind of emergent property of the brain,

and that all illness results from some kind of lesion in the body.

I'm broadly in agreement with you about the underlying

epistemological focus of Western knowledge. It has rejected much

wisdom of ancient cultures, thrown the baby out with the bathwater as

you put it. Maybe all illness does not result from lesions but what

do you think is behind AS?

For the last 20 years, it is emerging from new theories in

neuroscience, philosophy and literary criticism, that our concepts

and the very language we use come from abstractions our sensory-

motor cortex actions. This areas of cognitive science conclude:

" The mind is inherently embodied, thought is mostly, unconscious,

and abstract concepts are largely metaphorical " .

>I'm pretty well convinced that the mind does not emerge from the

body,rather the body is a contraction (shadow if you will) of the

mind, which in turn is a contraction of yet more subtle levels.

I understand that your describing a movement from spirit to mind to

body. A downward involution of the kosmos. But what about the

evolutionary development of the body?

>Given this perspective plus the concept of karma, one might assume

that alterations to the mind might go back one or more lifetimes, and

any effects to the brain might result from developmental factors

resulting from a congenitally atypical mind.

>I think medicine's assumption that some genetic glitch causes brain

problems that translate into behavioral problems is vastly

oversimplified. It's a complex universe, and we can't just take a

cookie cutter and make all phenomena fit.

So instead of medical and therapetic research you think people with

AS should pray for forgiveness. And then pray some more that they do

not genetically or via karma have a child with autism?

Have you completey rejected your doctorate knowledge; do you not

agree with any of the chemical or biomedical conclusions on AS like

those mentioned in my previous post?

[Guest guest]

>

> >I have a doctorate in chemistry and post-doctoral training in the

> biomedical sciences, yet my metaphysical training and experiences have

> led me to question an underlying assumption of medicine and most of

> science, which is that physical materiality rules, that we are the

> body and our minds are some kind of emergent property of the brain,

> and that all illness results from some kind of lesion in the body.

>

> I'm broadly in agreement with you about the underlying

> epistemological focus of Western knowledge. It has rejected much

> wisdom of ancient cultures, thrown the baby out with the bathwater as

> you put it. Maybe all illness does not result from lesions but what

> do you think is behind AS?

>

> For the last 20 years, it is emerging from new theories in

> neuroscience, philosophy and literary criticism, that our concepts

> and the very language we use come from abstractions our sensory-

> motor cortex actions. This areas of cognitive science conclude:

> " The mind is inherently embodied, thought is mostly, unconscious,

> and abstract concepts are largely metaphorical " .

>

> >I'm pretty well convinced that the mind does not emerge from the

> body,rather the body is a contraction (shadow if you will) of the

> mind, which in turn is a contraction of yet more subtle levels.

>

> I understand that your describing a movement from spirit to mind to

> body. A downward involution of the kosmos. But what about the

> evolutionary development of the body?

>

> >Given this perspective plus the concept of karma, one might assume

> that alterations to the mind might go back one or more lifetimes, and

> any effects to the brain might result from developmental factors

> resulting from a congenitally atypical mind.

>

> >I think medicine's assumption that some genetic glitch causes brain

> problems that translate into behavioral problems is vastly

> oversimplified. It's a complex universe, and we can't just take a

> cookie cutter and make all phenomena fit.

>

> So instead of medical and therapetic research you think people with

> AS should pray for forgiveness. And then pray some more that they do

> not genetically or via karma have a child with autism?

>

> Have you completey rejected your doctorate knowledge; do you not

> agree with any of the chemical or biomedical conclusions on AS like

> those mentioned in my previous post?

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> >I have a doctorate in chemistry and post-doctoral training in the

> biomedical sciences, yet my metaphysical training and experiences have

> led me to question an underlying assumption of medicine and most of

> science, which is that physical materiality rules, that we are the

> body and our minds are some kind of emergent property of the brain,

> and that all illness results from some kind of lesion in the body.

>

> I'm broadly in agreement with you about the underlying

> epistemological focus of Western knowledge. It has rejected much

> wisdom of ancient cultures, thrown the baby out with the bathwater as

> you put it. Maybe all illness does not result from lesions but what

> do you think is behind AS?

>

> For the last 20 years, it is emerging from new theories in

> neuroscience, philosophy and literary criticism, that our concepts

> and the very language we use come from abstractions our sensory-

> motor cortex actions. This areas of cognitive science conclude:

> " The mind is inherently embodied, thought is mostly, unconscious,

> and abstract concepts are largely metaphorical " .

>

> >I'm pretty well convinced that the mind does not emerge from the

> body,rather the body is a contraction (shadow if you will) of the

> mind, which in turn is a contraction of yet more subtle levels.

>

> I understand that your describing a movement from spirit to mind to

> body. A downward involution of the kosmos. But what about the

> evolutionary development of the body?

>

> >Given this perspective plus the concept of karma, one might assume

> that alterations to the mind might go back one or more lifetimes, and

> any effects to the brain might result from developmental factors

> resulting from a congenitally atypical mind.

>

> >I think medicine's assumption that some genetic glitch causes brain

> problems that translate into behavioral problems is vastly

> oversimplified. It's a complex universe, and we can't just take a

> cookie cutter and make all phenomena fit.

>

> So instead of medical and therapetic research you think people with

> AS should pray for forgiveness. And then pray some more that they do

> not genetically or via karma have a child with autism?

>

> Have you completey rejected your doctorate knowledge; do you not

> agree with any of the chemical or biomedical conclusions on AS like

> those mentioned in my previous post?

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

> If you have time to reply here, don't know why you can't by e-mail.

Members of a web-forum usually are so because they prefer that mode. Private

kommunication is something that usually takes place when/if members have

gotten to know each other enough to be comfortable doing so. It's nothing

you can expect anyone to agree to.

Feel free to discuss various views on AS and related topics here, but please

be respectful of other people's opinions and beliefs and their right to hold

the views they do.

Inger (as moderator)

[Guest guest]

I enjoy it too. I have times where I cannot get here as much as I would like though.

Ruthrubenken2000 wrote:

I'm doing fine Ruth and hope you are the same. As you may havenoticed, I'm really enjoying posting here. I find people in this forumto be lively and smart and giving good posting.Ken> > > > > > > > >I'm curious. A different post triggered

this question. I would> > like > > > > >to banter about what the terms disease, disorder and difference > > mean.> > > > >Frequently here we say that AS is a difference, not a disorder.> > > > Difference can be used to describe the> > complete > > > > human, but a lot of Aspies have difficulty accepting a specific > > > > brain/body part labelled as impaired.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship,> support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Just a reminder for everyone, was that Inger (as Moderator)?

It seems the reason Ken states is not my newbieness, but not wanting

to discuss any further this interesting thread.

> :

> > If you have time to reply here, don't know why you can't by e-

mail.

>

> Members of a web-forum usually are so because they prefer that

mode. Private

> kommunication is something that usually takes place when/if members

have

> gotten to know each other enough to be comfortable doing so. It's

nothing

> you can expect anyone to agree to.

>

> Feel free to discuss various views on AS and related topics here,

but please

> be respectful of other people's opinions and beliefs and their

right to hold

> the views they do.

>

> Inger (as moderator)

[Guest guest]

Just a reminder for everyone, was that Inger (as Moderator)?

It seems the reason Ken states is not my newbieness, but not wanting

to discuss any further this interesting thread.

> :

> > If you have time to reply here, don't know why you can't by e-

mail.

>

> Members of a web-forum usually are so because they prefer that

mode. Private

> kommunication is something that usually takes place when/if members

have

> gotten to know each other enough to be comfortable doing so. It's

nothing

> you can expect anyone to agree to.

>

> Feel free to discuss various views on AS and related topics here,

but please

> be respectful of other people's opinions and beliefs and their

right to hold

> the views they do.

>

> Inger (as moderator)

[Guest guest]

Ken's not the only person posting in this forum, , so if you

would like to continue the discussion, please do. Lots of us who

feel we have something to contribute or who understand what you're

discussing will join in with their own POV on the matter. Just

because one poster doesn't want to post on a subject doesn't mean we

should let a good discussion flounder. That's just my opinion.

Raven

>

>

> Just a reminder for everyone, was that Inger (as Moderator)?

>

> It seems the reason Ken states is not my newbieness, but not

wanting

> to discuss any further this interesting thread.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> > :

> > > If you have time to reply here, don't know why you can't by e-

> mail.

> >

> > Members of a web-forum usually are so because they prefer that

> mode. Private

> > kommunication is something that usually takes place when/if members

> have

> > gotten to know each other enough to be comfortable doing so. It's

> nothing

> > you can expect anyone to agree to.

> >

> > Feel free to discuss various views on AS and related topics here,

> but please

> > be respectful of other people's opinions and beliefs and their

> right to hold

> > the views they do.

> >

> > Inger (as moderator)