Re: Mom's Dairy

[Guest guest]

Lynn and all,

Late this afternoon, as I listened to MPR, a news reporter stated that

there had been an outbreak (that's 2 or more cases) of e-coli, in

Minnesota, and that three of the cases (of four) had been linked to

MOM's Dairy, and to raw milk. whether it's true or not, I don't

know. I called Hartmann and di not get an answer. I called a

couple other people, and a friend just sent me a link to a Star/

Tribune article stating the same, and more. That's all I have heard.

Rebekah

> Does anyone have any real info on what happened with the cheese at

> Mom's Dairy with Mike Hartman?

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Lynn and all,

Late this afternoon, as I listened to MPR, a news reporter stated that

there had been an outbreak (that's 2 or more cases) of e-coli, in

Minnesota, and that three of the cases (of four) had been linked to

MOM's Dairy, and to raw milk. whether it's true or not, I don't

know. I called Hartmann and di not get an answer. I called a

couple other people, and a friend just sent me a link to a Star/

Tribune article stating the same, and more. That's all I have heard.

Rebekah

> Does anyone have any real info on what happened with the cheese at

> Mom's Dairy with Mike Hartman?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting the question Lynn. I'm anxious to hear too! All I heard so

far was something about three people with ecoli. I can't imagine that a regular

customer would be so naive.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting the question Lynn. I'm anxious to hear too! All I heard so

far was something about three people with ecoli. I can't imagine that a regular

customer would be so naive.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting the question Lynn. I'm anxious to hear too! All I heard so

far was something about three people with ecoli. I can't imagine that a regular

customer would be so naive.

[Guest guest]

for right now I see the Hartmann's as clean ...We have to back up..seems

like a witches hunt!

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> Thanks for posting the question Lynn. I'm anxious to hear too! All I heard

> so far was something about three people with ecoli. I can't imagine that a

> regular customer would be so naive.

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>

>

--

Kathy-jo

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[Guest guest]

for right now I see the Hartmann's as clean ...We have to back up..seems

like a witches hunt!

>

>

>

> Thanks for posting the question Lynn. I'm anxious to hear too! All I heard

> so far was something about three people with ecoli. I can't imagine that a

> regular customer would be so naive.

>

>

>

--

Kathy-jo

c.

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[Guest guest]

I agree Kathy-Jo.

I drank a glass of milk while doing research into what info is out there re

this. I love my MOM's milk and want to help them thru whatever. Praying is

powerful and sometimes all we can do.

I found the Dept of Health's news release

http://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2010/ecoli052610.html

Most of the news stories, obviously take their info from this release. Not much

info in it beyond that three people have ecoli and they're conncting it to MOM's

(How they made the connection would be some nice info), most of the release is

the regular anti-raw milk

bs.

One news source had a tiny hint of a fairer perspective, but no new

info.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/minnesota/raw-milk-ecoli-hartmann-d\

airy-farm-mn-may-26-2010

Waiting to hear what we can of the other side of the story. The Hartman's are so

awesome -- they've fought before --and won, but I sure don't want them to have

to again! Ugh!

[Guest guest]

I agree Kathy-Jo.

I drank a glass of milk while doing research into what info is out there re

this. I love my MOM's milk and want to help them thru whatever. Praying is

powerful and sometimes all we can do.

I found the Dept of Health's news release

http://www.health.state.mn.us/news/pressrel/2010/ecoli052610.html

Most of the news stories, obviously take their info from this release. Not much

info in it beyond that three people have ecoli and they're conncting it to MOM's

(How they made the connection would be some nice info), most of the release is

the regular anti-raw milk

bs.

One news source had a tiny hint of a fairer perspective, but no new

info.

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/minnesota/raw-milk-ecoli-hartmann-d\

airy-farm-mn-may-26-2010

Waiting to hear what we can of the other side of the story. The Hartman's are so

awesome -- they've fought before --and won, but I sure don't want them to have

to again! Ugh!

[Guest guest]

> Most of the news stories, obviously take their info from this release.  Not

much info in it beyond that three people have ecoli and they're conncting it to

MOM' (How would be some nice info), mostly the release is the regular anti-raw

milk bs.

They trace the source of contamination by testing the DNA of the

organism. Bacteria and viruses and the like have slight variations in

their DNA, and thus we can distinguish one strain from another. How

they figure out where it came from is easy - someone gets sick, they

culture the bacteria. Someone else gets sick, they culture that

bacteria and compare the DNA. Then they figure out what similar things

have been consumed and similar places visited, and all they'd have to

do is test the milk and get the same bacteria and you've got your

culprit.

While I think individual consumers should be able to make their own

decisions about whether or not they wish to drink raw milk, it doesn't

do any good to imply that raw milk couldn't possibly be contaminated

by any sort of illness-causing organism. ANY food product, pasteurized

or not, can. If there is something that happened on this particular

farm that has contaminated the milk, which seems to be the case, I'd

hope that we'd want to get to the bottom of it and fix the problem to

ensure that future milk products are free of contamination, rather

than assuming that there's a witch hunt going on and that every source

of raw dairy is going to be OK all of the time.

- Tipper

[Guest guest]

> Most of the news stories, obviously take their info from this release.  Not

much info in it beyond that three people have ecoli and they're conncting it to

MOM' (How would be some nice info), mostly the release is the regular anti-raw

milk bs.

They trace the source of contamination by testing the DNA of the

organism. Bacteria and viruses and the like have slight variations in

their DNA, and thus we can distinguish one strain from another. How

they figure out where it came from is easy - someone gets sick, they

culture the bacteria. Someone else gets sick, they culture that

bacteria and compare the DNA. Then they figure out what similar things

have been consumed and similar places visited, and all they'd have to

do is test the milk and get the same bacteria and you've got your

culprit.

While I think individual consumers should be able to make their own

decisions about whether or not they wish to drink raw milk, it doesn't

do any good to imply that raw milk couldn't possibly be contaminated

by any sort of illness-causing organism. ANY food product, pasteurized

or not, can. If there is something that happened on this particular

farm that has contaminated the milk, which seems to be the case, I'd

hope that we'd want to get to the bottom of it and fix the problem to

ensure that future milk products are free of contamination, rather

than assuming that there's a witch hunt going on and that every source

of raw dairy is going to be OK all of the time.

- Tipper

[Guest guest]

> Most of the news stories, obviously take their info from this release.  Not

much info in it beyond that three people have ecoli and they're conncting it to

MOM' (How would be some nice info), mostly the release is the regular anti-raw

milk bs.

They trace the source of contamination by testing the DNA of the

organism. Bacteria and viruses and the like have slight variations in

their DNA, and thus we can distinguish one strain from another. How

they figure out where it came from is easy - someone gets sick, they

culture the bacteria. Someone else gets sick, they culture that

bacteria and compare the DNA. Then they figure out what similar things

have been consumed and similar places visited, and all they'd have to

do is test the milk and get the same bacteria and you've got your

culprit.

While I think individual consumers should be able to make their own

decisions about whether or not they wish to drink raw milk, it doesn't

do any good to imply that raw milk couldn't possibly be contaminated

by any sort of illness-causing organism. ANY food product, pasteurized

or not, can. If there is something that happened on this particular

farm that has contaminated the milk, which seems to be the case, I'd

hope that we'd want to get to the bottom of it and fix the problem to

ensure that future milk products are free of contamination, rather

than assuming that there's a witch hunt going on and that every source

of raw dairy is going to be OK all of the time.

- Tipper

[Guest guest]

I thought I'd pass this along:

The Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund was contacted last evening by Mark from

TFMN Warehouse. He spoke with Pete Kennedy, the legal eagle from WAPF. The

Legal Defense Fund is working with the Hartmanns now and, unsurprisingly, it

appears to be more raw milk harassment. More info will be forthcoming.

Meanwhile I would suggest NOT contacting the Hartmanns, since they have their

hands full at the moment.

Additionally, Mark was concerned about what the Warehouse would need to do in

case a MN Health Dept. inspector turned up. He received some recommendations

from Mr. Kennedy including that the business should be open as usual.

~Joe

>

> Does anyone have any real info on what happened with the cheese at Mom's Dairy

with Mike Hartman?

>

[Guest guest]

I thought I'd pass this along:

The Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund was contacted last evening by Mark from

TFMN Warehouse. He spoke with Pete Kennedy, the legal eagle from WAPF. The

Legal Defense Fund is working with the Hartmanns now and, unsurprisingly, it

appears to be more raw milk harassment. More info will be forthcoming.

Meanwhile I would suggest NOT contacting the Hartmanns, since they have their

hands full at the moment.

Additionally, Mark was concerned about what the Warehouse would need to do in

case a MN Health Dept. inspector turned up. He received some recommendations

from Mr. Kennedy including that the business should be open as usual.

~Joe

>

> Does anyone have any real info on what happened with the cheese at Mom's Dairy

with Mike Hartman?

>

[Guest guest]

I thought I'd pass this along:

The Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund was contacted last evening by Mark from

TFMN Warehouse. He spoke with Pete Kennedy, the legal eagle from WAPF. The

Legal Defense Fund is working with the Hartmanns now and, unsurprisingly, it

appears to be more raw milk harassment. More info will be forthcoming.

Meanwhile I would suggest NOT contacting the Hartmanns, since they have their

hands full at the moment.

Additionally, Mark was concerned about what the Warehouse would need to do in

case a MN Health Dept. inspector turned up. He received some recommendations

from Mr. Kennedy including that the business should be open as usual.

~Joe

>

> Does anyone have any real info on what happened with the cheese at Mom's Dairy

with Mike Hartman?

>

[Guest guest]

Open as usual doesn't quite work for me. We are waiting on paperwork in the

form of an agency certificate that really makes it legal for us to bring healthy

food to town for our represented consumers. Without that, I am unable to risk

handling real milk products at this site. We all need to support the Hartmann's

right to supply healthy raw food to their consumer families, but will need to

weather the storm (as they do) until the FCLDF really does their part. We will

not have our Thursday installment of milk. Alvin

> >

> > Does anyone have any real info on what happened with the cheese at Mom's

Dairy with Mike Hartman?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Open as usual doesn't quite work for me. We are waiting on paperwork in the

form of an agency certificate that really makes it legal for us to bring healthy

food to town for our represented consumers. Without that, I am unable to risk

handling real milk products at this site. We all need to support the Hartmann's

right to supply healthy raw food to their consumer families, but will need to

weather the storm (as they do) until the FCLDF really does their part. We will

not have our Thursday installment of milk. Alvin

> >

> > Does anyone have any real info on what happened with the cheese at Mom's

Dairy with Mike Hartman?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Open as usual doesn't quite work for me. We are waiting on paperwork in the

form of an agency certificate that really makes it legal for us to bring healthy

food to town for our represented consumers. Without that, I am unable to risk

handling real milk products at this site. We all need to support the Hartmann's

right to supply healthy raw food to their consumer families, but will need to

weather the storm (as they do) until the FCLDF really does their part. We will

not have our Thursday installment of milk. Alvin

> >

> > Does anyone have any real info on what happened with the cheese at Mom's

Dairy with Mike Hartman?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

" Open as usual " as in not letting them intimidate us, but also taking sensible

precautions, as you are doing, and as we were doing yesterday and are doing

today.

~Joe

>

> Open as usual doesn't quite work for me.

[Guest guest]

" Open as usual " as in not letting them intimidate us, but also taking sensible

precautions, as you are doing, and as we were doing yesterday and are doing

today.

~Joe

>

> Open as usual doesn't quite work for me.

[Guest guest]

It would be surprising to find E. coli O157:H7 in MOM's products, since they

have grass-fed cows...

Kathy

[Guest guest]

It would be surprising to find E. coli O157:H7 in MOM's products, since they

have grass-fed cows...

Kathy

[Guest guest]

> Tipper & nbsp;e.coli is more common on confined feedlot cows......

Yes, I understand that, but that doesn't mean it would be impossible

to find in a grassfed cow, and it is not ONLY transmitted by cow

feces. It would just take one person not washing their hands properly

after coming into contact with the organism, and then coming into

contact with milk to infect a whole tankful, or more.

- Tipper

[Guest guest]

> Tipper & nbsp;e.coli is more common on confined feedlot cows......

Yes, I understand that, but that doesn't mean it would be impossible

to find in a grassfed cow, and it is not ONLY transmitted by cow

feces. It would just take one person not washing their hands properly

after coming into contact with the organism, and then coming into

contact with milk to infect a whole tankful, or more.

- Tipper

[Guest guest]

> Tipper & nbsp;e.coli is more common on confined feedlot cows......

Yes, I understand that, but that doesn't mean it would be impossible

to find in a grassfed cow, and it is not ONLY transmitted by cow

feces. It would just take one person not washing their hands properly

after coming into contact with the organism, and then coming into

contact with milk to infect a whole tankful, or more.

- Tipper