Re: 12 yo female with whooping cough

April 18, 2012

Hi ,Drosera is a good remedy for pertussis, but if you overdose it can make it worse. Usually I use it just give one before bed since it is best for coughs worse at night and hers seems better then. So, I would look for other remedies. Pertussis itself can be very helpful. IF she will drink it a gruel of slippery elm (one teaspoon) and warm pear juice together sip when warm really calms the cough. Hydros to the chest and then tapping down the spine. A hardy lecture about food as medicine and how her choices affect her immune system. Sometimes parents need this lecture too. Explain the healing will take longer and why if she continues doing what she is doing. If she is depressed need to address that as well. This is the root of some teens not choosing the healthy

choices for themselves. Tufenkian NDPortland, Oregon To: Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:03 PM Subject: 12 yo female with whooping cough

Hello colleagues,

I am treating my first case of diagnosed whooping cough. This 12yo female has a persistent cough (only > during sleep). Cough is dry and does not have the classic 'whoop' at the end of her cough.

Current treatment plan is as follows:

- A-Mulsion: 20 drops on first day; 1 drop daily for 5 days

- Vitamin C Powder (Ascorbate): 1 tsp per day, mix with water

- Drosera Plex Syrup: 1 Tbsp 6-8x/day

- Drosera 30K: dissolve 3 pellets in mouth. 6x/day.

- Unda 5, 27, 32: shake 60 drop of each in a water bottle and sip throughout the day.

Her taste buds are extremely fussy and refuses anything that taste bad. Hence, why I haven't prescribe my usual liquid herbals.

Her diet is horrible: processed, mostly non-organic dairy and refined grains. She is absolutely not open to any new dietary suggestions (!) and mom doesn't want to enforce anything (!).

Any guidance would be much appreciated.

I am considering adding Pertussin 200c and/or Drosera 200c as per Zeff's previous recommendation on another post.

Thanks!

Gleixner, ND

Moncton, NB

April 18, 2012

Hi

I would use a higher dose of drosera (30C rather than 30K), but way less often.

Once or twice/day should be lots. Also, look at other remedies. Spongia and

ipecac are other common ones in whooping cough, but a dry cough without a whoop

may need a totally different remedy (remember don't treat the diagnosis, treat

the patient).

Thyme - as tea or tincture, is extremely effective for whooping cough. It has a

very medicinal taste, so she may not take the tincture, but, chopping up the

fresh herb and mixing with chicken broth, and onions (also helpful for coughs)

is very palatable.

I would also push this opportunity to educate her about diet and health. At

twelve, she is old enough to eat some things that are good for her, even if she

doesn't love them, and take more responsibility for her own health. But, of

course, Mom needs to totally be on board with this since it is her likely buying

the food. I would ask her how she expects to get better if she doesn't take

care of herself.

I am wondering why you only used the high dose of vitamin A for one day. She

will need at least 3 days, or likely 5 to 7 days to make any effect.

Loreen Dawson, ND

Sechelt, BC

>

> Hello colleagues,

>

> I am treating my first case of diagnosed whooping cough. This 12yo female has

a persistent cough (only > during sleep). Cough is dry and does not have the

classic 'whoop' at the end of her cough.

>

> Current treatment plan is as follows:

> - A-Mulsion: 20 drops on first day; 1 drop daily for 5 days

> - Vitamin C Powder (Ascorbate): 1 tsp per day, mix with water

> - Drosera Plex Syrup: 1 Tbsp 6-8x/day

> - Drosera 30K: dissolve 3 pellets in mouth. 6x/day.

> - Unda 5, 27, 32: shake 60 drop of each in a water bottle and sip throughout

the day.

>

> Her taste buds are extremely fussy and refuses anything that taste bad. Hence,

why I haven't prescribe my usual liquid herbals.

>

> Her diet is horrible: processed, mostly non-organic dairy and refined grains.

She is absolutely not open to any new dietary suggestions (!) and mom doesn't

want to enforce anything (!).

>

> Any guidance would be much appreciated.

>

> I am considering adding Pertussin 200c and/or Drosera 200c as per Zeff's

previous recommendation on another post.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Gleixner, ND

> Moncton, NB

>

April 19, 2012

Thanks and Loreen,

I agree that Drosera is not the best homeopathic remedy for her case. It was

prescribed to the patient the day before my visit with her, as Mom was desperate

to start something. In hindsight, this was a mistake.

I am looking at replacing Drosera with another remedy. Her dry cough is so

unrelenting (it's really non-stop!) unless she has fallen asleep (even then she

coughs, but much less). According to the patient ( & mother), nothing appears to

make it better unless she has fallen asleep.

Gleixner, ND

Moncton, NB

>

> Hi ,

>

> Drosera is a good remedy for pertussis, but if you overdose it can make it

worse. Usually I use it just give one before bed since it is best for coughs

worse at night and hers seems better then. So, I would look for other remedies.

Pertussis itself can be very helpful. IF she will drink it a gruel of slippery

elm (one teaspoon) and warm pear juice together sip when warm really calms the

cough. Hydros to the chest and then tapping down the spine. A hardy lecture

about food as medicine and how her choices affect her immune system. Sometimes

parents need this lecture too. Explain the healing will take longer and why if

she continues doing what she is doing. If she is depressed need to address that

as well. This is the root of some teens not choosing the healthy choices for

themselves.Â

>

> Tufenkian ND

> Portland, Oregon

>

> ________________________________

>

> To:

> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 1:03 PM

> Subject: 12 yo female with whooping cough

>

> Â

> Hello colleagues,

>

> I am treating my first case of diagnosed whooping cough. This 12yo female has

a persistent cough (only > during sleep). Cough is dry and does not have the

classic 'whoop' at the end of her cough.

>

> Current treatment plan is as follows:

> - A-Mulsion: 20 drops on first day; 1 drop daily for 5 days

> - Vitamin C Powder (Ascorbate): 1 tsp per day, mix with water

> - Drosera Plex Syrup: 1 Tbsp 6-8x/day

> - Drosera 30K: dissolve 3 pellets in mouth. 6x/day.

> - Unda 5, 27, 32: shake 60 drop of each in a water bottle and sip throughout

the day.

>

> Her taste buds are extremely fussy and refuses anything that taste bad. Hence,

why I haven't prescribe my usual liquid herbals.

>

> Her diet is horrible: processed, mostly non-organic dairy and refined grains.

She is absolutely not open to any new dietary suggestions (!) and mom doesn't

want to enforce anything (!).

>

> Any guidance would be much appreciated.

>

> I am considering adding Pertussin 200c and/or Drosera 200c as per Zeff's

previous recommendation on another post.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Gleixner, ND

> Moncton, NB

>

April 20, 2012

Hi ,

I have treated 6 cases of whooping cough in the ottawa area this winter,

including my 6 y.o twins. Some kids had typical sx's with the whoop. My kids

did not have the whoop but would cough to the point of vomiting. I started

using the typical lung undas and homeopathics but what had the most significant

impact was when I used herbs, specifically Viriditas ( by Redden). I used

the " cough syrup " which has licorice, thyme and a bunch of other really great

demulcents as well as the cold/flu elixir (with elderberries, wild

blueberries.....). Both were given at 1/2 tsp 6x/day. ALL kids stopped coughing

at night the very first day i started the herbs. My kids completely resolved

in 4 days. Then I continued with draining and remedies specific to their

miasms.

This treatment has been successful in every case.

These herbs are tasty for most kids and those few who had a hard time I would

get mom to do a " chaser " right after giving tincture of apple sauce (or honey

for a little boy who was really difficult). " Just get it in any way you have

to " is always my moto for kiddies.

Like everyone has mentioned already I think a frank discussion needs to be done

about the daughter's involvement in her health and well being.

Good luck!

Marie Matheson BSc., ND

Ottawa, Ontario

April 22, 2012

I have had good success using Respitussive tea (Wise Woman, by Jill Stansbury),

Phytobiotic (Wise Woman--empty capsules into food if the child can't swallow

them, 1-2 TID) and Colostoferrin (1 BID). Certainly, hydrotherapy is extremely

helpful as well. I treated a 5 month old last year and she recovered within 3

days.

Sturm, ND, LAc

artemisianaturopathic.com

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