Marvelous dissertation on osteoporosis. O. T. O. T.

[Guest guest]

Marge,

I love hearing your stories! I do hope that someone in your family

is recording them. My parents moved way north before I was born, so

even though I have a lot of extended family, I know very little about

them and our history. While your family may not show appreciation

now to hear your stories, I would bet that as they get older they

would be thrilled to have that knowledge; I know I would.

Sunny

>

> Dear Lizzie in Oz,

>

> Thanks for taking time time to spell it all out.

>

> In my case, it is probably heriditary for me and my 56 year-old

son. I was once 5 ft. 4 in. and my mother and grandmother were

taller than I.

>

> Eventually, they shrunk down a head and were under my chin. Now I

keep shrinking below all but one of my 18 grandchildren. She is l2. I

am lucky if I am 5 ft.

>

> Hubby " s name, " Russin, " was, " Rusin " and is Ruthenian. His parents

came from Cxechoslovakia. I was a, " , " name from England,

originally. Some, from Wales. One grandmother was a, " Power, " name

from Ireland, originally. Ancestors from 3 separate lines came to the

US in 1632. Can you believe?

>

> Originally the Ruthenians came from the old Austrian-Hungarian

Empire. They had their own country for a short time after WWI. I

didn't koow my husband was Ruthenian until after he died. O. Woe.

>

> My one grandson spent a semester in Budapest but couldn't look up

the Rusin's.

> They did have a Rusin Day in McKeesport, PA.

>

> One ancestor, Godfrey Nims, survived the Indian massacre in MA. The

Indians got his wife and five children, but he was luckily out of

town. You can probably find him in the internet.

>

> I would love to drink fatter milk. I have been drinking 1 % not

knowing that fat helped to absorb calcium. Are you sure?

>

> Do you think SHALLOW BREATHING contribute to osteoporosis.?

>

> Those three Essential Oils for lungs have freed my lungs. I don't

have to take cough drops all day which may be why my teeth went bad.

The Oils seem to control my asthma, too. Of course, I sniff them all

day long.

>

> My mother used to have a large vegetable garden, as did my

grandfather. We butchered pork and she canned that and many

vegetables. Our staples were potatoes, green beans, eggs and chicken.

If we lacked meat, Dad would take a rock or riflle and bring in

several rabbits or squirrels, even possum .We always had enough to

ead even during the Depression.

>

> My two sisters and I had to milk 3 cows, each, every morning before

school and every evening after. My dad separated the milk and sold

the cream.

>

> I, " wished, " for water and our well never ran dry, even during the

drouth.

>

> Sorry. You can't stop us elderly from talking, while we can still

remember. Ha.

>

> I used td volulnteer at the Holy Cross Adult Day Care Center. Our

duty was to help the elderly reminesce. Thanks for listening.

>

> Blessings on you all. LOve. MArge.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marge,

I love hearing your stories! I do hope that someone in your family

is recording them. My parents moved way north before I was born, so

even though I have a lot of extended family, I know very little about

them and our history. While your family may not show appreciation

now to hear your stories, I would bet that as they get older they

would be thrilled to have that knowledge; I know I would.

Sunny

>

> Dear Lizzie in Oz,

>

> Thanks for taking time time to spell it all out.

>

> In my case, it is probably heriditary for me and my 56 year-old

son. I was once 5 ft. 4 in. and my mother and grandmother were

taller than I.

>

> Eventually, they shrunk down a head and were under my chin. Now I

keep shrinking below all but one of my 18 grandchildren. She is l2. I

am lucky if I am 5 ft.

>

> Hubby " s name, " Russin, " was, " Rusin " and is Ruthenian. His parents

came from Cxechoslovakia. I was a, " , " name from England,

originally. Some, from Wales. One grandmother was a, " Power, " name

from Ireland, originally. Ancestors from 3 separate lines came to the

US in 1632. Can you believe?

>

> Originally the Ruthenians came from the old Austrian-Hungarian

Empire. They had their own country for a short time after WWI. I

didn't koow my husband was Ruthenian until after he died. O. Woe.

>

> My one grandson spent a semester in Budapest but couldn't look up

the Rusin's.

> They did have a Rusin Day in McKeesport, PA.

>

> One ancestor, Godfrey Nims, survived the Indian massacre in MA. The

Indians got his wife and five children, but he was luckily out of

town. You can probably find him in the internet.

>

> I would love to drink fatter milk. I have been drinking 1 % not

knowing that fat helped to absorb calcium. Are you sure?

>

> Do you think SHALLOW BREATHING contribute to osteoporosis.?

>

> Those three Essential Oils for lungs have freed my lungs. I don't

have to take cough drops all day which may be why my teeth went bad.

The Oils seem to control my asthma, too. Of course, I sniff them all

day long.

>

> My mother used to have a large vegetable garden, as did my

grandfather. We butchered pork and she canned that and many

vegetables. Our staples were potatoes, green beans, eggs and chicken.

If we lacked meat, Dad would take a rock or riflle and bring in

several rabbits or squirrels, even possum .We always had enough to

ead even during the Depression.

>

> My two sisters and I had to milk 3 cows, each, every morning before

school and every evening after. My dad separated the milk and sold

the cream.

>

> I, " wished, " for water and our well never ran dry, even during the

drouth.

>

> Sorry. You can't stop us elderly from talking, while we can still

remember. Ha.

>

> I used td volulnteer at the Holy Cross Adult Day Care Center. Our

duty was to help the elderly reminesce. Thanks for listening.

>

> Blessings on you all. LOve. MArge.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

MArgie: You are such a treasure. I am soon to be 82 and have shrunk from 5'4

to 5'2. I drink organic whole milk...mostly as kefir. And of course I

consume our wonderful kombucha. I also was raised on a farm...in Illinois.

Life is great isn't it?

Audrey

-- Marvelous dissertation on osteoporosis. O. T. O. T.

Dear Lizzie in Oz,

Thanks for taking time time to spell it all out.

In my case, it is probably heriditary for me and my 56 year-old son. I was

once 5 ft. 4 in. and my mother and grandmother were taller than I.

Eventually, they shrunk down a head and were under my chin. Now I keep

shrinking below all but one of my 18 grandchildren. She is l2. I am lucky if

I am 5 ft.

Hubby " s name, " Russin, " was, " Rusin " and is Ruthenian. His parents came from

Cxechoslovakia. I was a, " , " name from England, originally. Some, from

Wales. One grandmother was a, " Power, " name from Ireland, originally.

Ancestors from 3 separate lines came to the US in 1632. Can you believe?

Originally the Ruthenians came from the old Austrian-Hungarian Empire. They

had their own country for a short time after WWI. I didn't koow my husband

was Ruthenian until after he died. O. Woe.

My one grandson spent a semester in Budapest but couldn't look up the Rusin

s.

They did have a Rusin Day in McKeesport, PA.

One ancestor, Godfrey Nims, survived the Indian massacre in MA. The Indians

got his wife and five children, but he was luckily out of town. You can

probably find him in the internet.

I would love to drink fatter milk. I have been drinking 1 % not knowing that

fat helped to absorb calcium. Are you sure?

Do you think SHALLOW BREATHING contribute to osteoporosis.?

Those three Essential Oils for lungs have freed my lungs. I don't have to

take cough drops all day which may be why my teeth went bad. The Oils seem

to control my asthma, too. Of course, I sniff them all day long.

My mother used to have a large vegetable garden, as did my grandfather. We

butchered pork and she canned that and many vegetables. Our staples were

potatoes, green beans, eggs and chicken. If we lacked meat, Dad would take a

rock or riflle and bring in several rabbits or squirrels, even possum .We

always had enough to ead even during the Depression.

My two sisters and I had to milk 3 cows, each, every morning before school

and every evening after. My dad separated the milk and sold the cream.

I, " wished, " for water and our well never ran dry, even during the drouth.

Sorry. You can't stop us elderly from talking, while we can still remember.

Ha.

I used td volulnteer at the Holy Cross Adult Day Care Center. Our duty was

to help the elderly reminesce. Thanks for listening.

Blessings on you all. LOve. MArge.

[Guest guest]

MArgie: You are such a treasure. I am soon to be 82 and have shrunk from 5'4

to 5'2. I drink organic whole milk...mostly as kefir. And of course I

consume our wonderful kombucha. I also was raised on a farm...in Illinois.

Life is great isn't it?

Audrey

-- Marvelous dissertation on osteoporosis. O. T. O. T.

Dear Lizzie in Oz,

Thanks for taking time time to spell it all out.

In my case, it is probably heriditary for me and my 56 year-old son. I was

once 5 ft. 4 in. and my mother and grandmother were taller than I.

Eventually, they shrunk down a head and were under my chin. Now I keep

shrinking below all but one of my 18 grandchildren. She is l2. I am lucky if

I am 5 ft.

Hubby " s name, " Russin, " was, " Rusin " and is Ruthenian. His parents came from

Cxechoslovakia. I was a, " , " name from England, originally. Some, from

Wales. One grandmother was a, " Power, " name from Ireland, originally.

Ancestors from 3 separate lines came to the US in 1632. Can you believe?

Originally the Ruthenians came from the old Austrian-Hungarian Empire. They

had their own country for a short time after WWI. I didn't koow my husband

was Ruthenian until after he died. O. Woe.

My one grandson spent a semester in Budapest but couldn't look up the Rusin

s.

They did have a Rusin Day in McKeesport, PA.

One ancestor, Godfrey Nims, survived the Indian massacre in MA. The Indians

got his wife and five children, but he was luckily out of town. You can

probably find him in the internet.

I would love to drink fatter milk. I have been drinking 1 % not knowing that

fat helped to absorb calcium. Are you sure?

Do you think SHALLOW BREATHING contribute to osteoporosis.?

Those three Essential Oils for lungs have freed my lungs. I don't have to

take cough drops all day which may be why my teeth went bad. The Oils seem

to control my asthma, too. Of course, I sniff them all day long.

My mother used to have a large vegetable garden, as did my grandfather. We

butchered pork and she canned that and many vegetables. Our staples were

potatoes, green beans, eggs and chicken. If we lacked meat, Dad would take a

rock or riflle and bring in several rabbits or squirrels, even possum .We

always had enough to ead even during the Depression.

My two sisters and I had to milk 3 cows, each, every morning before school

and every evening after. My dad separated the milk and sold the cream.

I, " wished, " for water and our well never ran dry, even during the drouth.

Sorry. You can't stop us elderly from talking, while we can still remember.

Ha.

I used td volulnteer at the Holy Cross Adult Day Care Center. Our duty was

to help the elderly reminesce. Thanks for listening.

Blessings on you all. LOve. MArge.

[Guest guest]

>

>I would love to drink fatter milk. I have been drinking 1 % not knowing that

>fat helped to absorb calcium. Are you sure?

Marge, fats have been demonized unfairly. The first quote below is a

summary of the research that is given more detail in the second quote (with

link). This research shows that women on low-fat/high fiber diets have

poor calcium absorption. Another factor is low Vitamin D. So, you *should*

drink whole milk. And I say, regardless of this research, at 87 years old

if a person wants whole milk they should have it.

>Women who are on low-fat diets may absorb less calcium and be at greater

>risk for bone disease. A recent study compared calcium absorption rates in

>142 women ages 45 to 53. Half of the women in the study were on low-fat

>diets as part of a larger clinical trial about risk factors for heart

>disease. The study's results showed that women who ate more fat had higher

>calcium absorption rates than women on low-fat diets. Researchers propose

>that fat slows down calcium's transit time through the intestines,

>increasing the opportunity for absorption.

>

>American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, August 2000

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDE/is_1_20/ai_68913302

>Calcium Absorption Is Affected by Dietary Fat and Fiber - Brief Article

>Vegetarian Journal, Jan, 2001 by Mangels

>

>Two people can have the same amount of calcium in their diets but can

>differ widely in the amount of calcium they are able to absorb. The amount

>of calcium that is absorbed is much more important than the amount of

>calcium in the diet because only calcium that is absorbed is available to

>our bodies for bone maintenance and other key functions.

>

>What factors affect calcium absorption? A study of 142 women between 45

>and 54 years old examined this question. None of the women had

>osteoporosis. Factors that appeared to significantly affect the amount of

>calcium absorbed by study subjects included dietary fat, dietary fiber,

>alcohol, and blood levels of vitamin D. Women with the lowest ratio of

>dietary fat to dietary fiber absorbed significantly less calcium than did

>women with a high ratio of dietary fat to dietary fiber. This suggests

>that a lowfat, high-fiber diet can reduce calcium absorption. The authors

>note that other studies indicate that only wheat bran fiber reduces

>calcium absorption, although they were not able to determine so in this

>study. Women whose diets are high in fiber, especially wheat bran fiber,

>and low in fat, may need to be especially aware of good sources of

>calcium. Additionally, even moderate use of alcohol appeared to reduce

>calcium absorption slightly, as did low blood vitamin D levels. Many

>factors affect calcium absorption and bone status. This study suggests

>that dietary fat and fiber play a role.

>

>Wolf RL, Cauley JA, Baker CE, et al. 2000. Factors associated with calcium

>absorption efficiency in pre-and perimenopausal women. Am J Clin Nutr

>72:466-471.

VITAMIN D: If you supplement with Vitamin D, it should be D3 rather than

D4. Vitamin D is also required for a huge range of health issues, and most

people in Western society are not getting enough Vit D. Many physicians

are still leery of supplementation with D, but D3 washes out of the body

any excess that may develop, so it is safe to supplement with, about

1000IU/day (toxic levels are 10 times that amount, or 10,000IU/day). For

detailed information about Vit D (and calcium) supplementation, see the

following link. It also contains information about drug interactions and

various diseases. It is from the Linus ing Institute, whose teachings

are primary in the orthomolecular dietary therapy tradition of nutrition

that I come from.

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminD/

>Linus ing Institute Recommendation

>

>The Linus ing Institute recommends that generally healthy adults take

>a multivitamin supplement that supplies 400 IU (10 mcg) of vitamin D

>daily. Additionally, at least 10-15 minutes of sun exposure on the arms

>and legs or face and arms at least three times weekly between 11:00 am and

>2:00 pm during the spring, summer, and fall may help residents of

>temperate latitudes (much of the U.S.) avoid vitamin D deficiency at the

>end of winter.

>

>Older adults (65 years and older) and people with minimal sun exposure

>

>In addition to the 400 IU (10 mcg) of vitamin D provided by a multivitamin

>supplement, people over the age of 65 and people who get minimal sun

>exposure throughout the year should take an additional vitamin D

>supplement of 400 IU/day (10 mcg/day) to provide a total of 800 IU/day (20

>mcg/day).

See also this article on Vitamin C supplementation.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=10022

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Here is one more source on Vit D supplementation, from the Journal of the

AMA, as conservative a source as there exists:

>Conclusions Oral vitamin D supplementation between 700 to 800 IU/d

>appears to reduce the risk of hip and any nonvertebral fractures in

>ambulatory or institutionalized elderly persons. An oral vitamin D dose of

>400 IU/d is not sufficient for fracture prevention.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/293/18/2257

All the studies they collated used D3.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Here is one more source on Vit D supplementation, from the Journal of the

AMA, as conservative a source as there exists:

>Conclusions Oral vitamin D supplementation between 700 to 800 IU/d

>appears to reduce the risk of hip and any nonvertebral fractures in

>ambulatory or institutionalized elderly persons. An oral vitamin D dose of

>400 IU/d is not sufficient for fracture prevention.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/293/18/2257

All the studies they collated used D3.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Thanks for posting all that marvelous research on osteoporosis. I am going to

forward it to my daughters who may have inherited osteoporosis along with me and

my son.

I am going to buy whole milk next time and some Vitamin D-3. I hope my son won't

drink half a gallon at a time. Lately, he has been cutting down to two 12-ounce

glasses a day.

How much milk fat does it take to make our calcium be absorbed?

Unfortunately, we have been consuming 1 % milk for many, many years and avoiding

the sun. O. Woe. It was totally unbelievable that WE have osteoporosis after

all the milk and calcium and magnesium supplements we have taken for years.

Thanks again. V.

Blessings on you all. LOve. MArge.