Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 What is the dosage of Pepto and timing? Before or after a meal? Sounds familiar to something I read. Here is the link. Second post down. http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/bob/1349.html Thanks Chris > > What does help some people is to do a " Pepto Bismol " diet ... > that is, take pepto 3x a day, and eat only meat, fruit, and vegies > (all cooked from scratch) for 10 days. A lot of people clear up > by then ... the Pepto helps heal the gut, and most allergens > are avoided. Then add foods back slowly, one by one. > > -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 >What is the dosage of Pepto and timing? Before or after a meal? Hmmmm ... I don't know that I heard anything about that. I'm not sure it matters except that it isn't very appetizing. >Sounds familiar to something I read. Here is the link. >Second post down. > ><http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/bob/1349.html>http://askwaltstollmd.com/arc\ hives/bob/1349.html Wow, that is interesting. So maybe the arthritis is related to bacterial overgrowth? I'm not sure I'd want to wipe out gut bacteria for the rest of my life though. My arthritis is definitely related to diet. I have two knobby lumps growing on the fingers of one hand, which get red and inflamed on " the wrong food " . I used to have pain in a lot of my joints. A couple of years ago I could barely hobble down the hill, now I can jog it. My Mom has it rather bad ... her hand joints are all knobby. I was talking socially to a doctor the other day and he was talking about joint replacements he does on people's fingers, when the arthritis gets too bad for them to move the fingers ... or they fuse the joints. That just struck me as soooo sad ... and scary. " There but for the Internet (and an insatiable sense of curiosity) go I " . -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Thanks Heidi. > Wow, that is interesting. So maybe the arthritis is related > to bacterial overgrowth? I'm not sure I'd want to wipe out > gut bacteria for the rest of my life though. > I have Ankylosing Spondylitis(AS) and one particular bacteria keeps the inflammation going. Klebsiella is the one. It thrives on starch so a low to no starch diet helps to eliminate the pain. Doesn't work for everyone and requires some dedication of course. Not a mainstream course of treatment either. What? No starch. An impossible feat for some. Of course you can't eliminate trace or small amounts. http://kickas.org/londondiet.shtml Thanks Chris > ><http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/bob/1349.html>http://askwaltstol lmd.com/archives/bob/1349.html > > My arthritis is definitely related to diet. I have two knobby lumps > growing on the fingers of one hand, which get red and inflamed on " the wrong food " . > -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 The diet on Walt Stoll is a full elimination diet, written by Bob McFerran. The Pepto Bismol test is done afterwards if you don't clear, to test for Gram negative bacteria. It's hard to find stuff on Walt's site, so with Bob's permission I transferred everything he wrote about elimination diets and metabolic typing to my site, where it;s much easier to read. I also wrote some better instructions for actually doing the e-diet. http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/rwgully/theories/mcferran07_eliminat ion.htm By coincidence I was just logging on to give Suze that link, when I spotted this post. Although you might not want to cut out as many items as this diet, Suze, it would give you helpful info to prepare you for the pepto diet. Cheers, deb > What is the dosage of Pepto and timing? Before or after a meal? > > Sounds familiar to something I read. Here is the link. > Second post down. > > http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/bob/1349.html > > Thanks > Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 Should have added in previous post - what Bob was mostly writing about was arthritis and similar, though the principles apply to all chronic diseases deb > Thanks Heidi. > > > Wow, that is interesting. So maybe the arthritis is related > > to bacterial overgrowth? I'm not sure I'd want to wipe out > > gut bacteria for the rest of my life though. > > > > I have Ankylosing Spondylitis(AS) and one particular bacteria keeps > the inflammation going. Klebsiella is the one. It thrives on starch > so a low to no starch diet helps to eliminate the pain. Doesn't work > for everyone and requires some dedication of course. Not a > mainstream course of treatment either. > > What? No starch. An impossible feat for some. Of course you can't > eliminate trace or small amounts. > > http://kickas.org/londondiet.shtml > > Thanks > Chris > > > > > > ><http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/bob/1349.html>http://askwaltstol > lmd.com/archives/bob/1349.html > > > > > My arthritis is definitely related to diet. I have two knobby lumps > > growing on the fingers of one hand, which get red and inflamed > on " the wrong food " . > > > -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 > Re: Pepto > > >The diet on Walt Stoll is a full elimination diet, written by Bob >McFerran. The Pepto Bismol test is done afterwards if you don't >clear, to test for Gram negative bacteria. > >It's hard to find stuff on Walt's site, so with Bob's permission I >transferred everything he wrote about elimination diets and >metabolic typing to my site, where it;s much easier to read. I also >wrote some better instructions for actually doing the e-diet. >http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/rwgully/theories/mcferran07_eliminat >ion.htm > >By coincidence I was just logging on to give Suze that link, when I >spotted this post. Although you might not want to cut out as many >items as this diet, Suze, it would give you helpful info to prepare >you for the pepto diet. > >Cheers, deb Hey Deb, Thanks a lot for the info. I'm going to save it in case I think I need to go that route. I think I'm going to do the 10 day pepto diet first and see if I get any results from that. I may use Bob's recommended foods though, or at leat ones that I feel I'm not at all reactive to. As I reported earlier, I'm already seeing an improvement in a few areas over the past month since eliminating gluten and bovine casein. I'm still bloated though, so I'm not all the way there yet. Plus I've got some other symptoms, including the stinky armpits when I'm nervous or drink stimulants. I'm also taking fervita (EM brew) which reportedly should eliminate food allergies within about 6 months. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- “The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 >I have Ankylosing Spondylitis(AS) and one particular bacteria keeps >the inflammation going. Klebsiella is the one. It thrives on starch >so a low to no starch diet helps to eliminate the pain. Doesn't work >for everyone and requires some dedication of course. Not a >mainstream course of treatment either. > >What? No starch. An impossible feat for some. Of course you can't >eliminate trace or small amounts. > ><http://kickas.org/londondiet.shtml>http://kickas.org/londondiet.shtml > >Thanks >Chris OK now this is interesting. People with gluten intolerance have the HLA-DQ8 or HLA-DQ2 antigen, and produce antibodies in the presence of gluten, which produce a mess of side effects (including arthritis). Now the people with AS have HLA-B27 ... so it sounds like the reaction is a very similar kind of thing. Antigliadin antibodies cross-react too, which is what causes a lot of the problem (they attack body parts). On researcher thought that the reason the body attacks gliadin might be because it has a similar protein sequence as candida. Soooo ... that would make a pretty interesting mechanism for why killing bacteria could help arthritis. The body's antibodies against the bacteria could be cross-reacting ... there are likely other bacteria with this issue. Seems like there should be a better way of getting rid of klebsiella than avoiding all starches though. Some bacteria that takes over that niche in the food chain and wipes out the klebsiella. -- Heidi Jean http://kickas.org/londondiet.shtml Over 95% of AS patients possess the HLA-B27 antigen whilst it is present only in 8% of the general population. The Klebsiella microbe has molecules which resemble HLA-B27 and this is the reason why AS patients generally belong to the HLA-B27 group. In addition, the pullulanase molecule of the Klebsiella microbe crossreacts with type I collagen found in tendons and bone and also with type IV collagen found in basement membranes of retina and uvea, thereby explaining the pathological sites of AS. When one eats large amounts of starchy foods (bread, potatoes, cakes and pasta), the Klebsiella bacteria feed on it, multiply and then the immune system of the patient makes antibodies against the microbe and some of those antibodies will also have activity against HLA-B27 and against collagens in the spine and uvea, thereby acting as tissue damaging autoantibodies - hence the need to ABSTAIN from these foods. Since the mesentery of the bowel is attached to the front of the lumbar spine, it is inevitable that BACKACHE in the lumbar area will be a feature of AS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 > It's hard to find stuff on Walt's site, so with Bob's permission I > transferred everything he wrote about elimination diets and > metabolic typing to my site, where it;s much easier to read. I also > wrote some better instructions for actually doing the e-diet. > http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/rwgully/theories/mcferran07_eliminat > ion.htm > > Cheers, deb Very nice, Deb! First time I've seen walnuts and hazelnuts as most recommended nuts (he has them for hunter-gatherer type) other than a vegetarian nutrition book that said to avoid the two as they were considered acid making. Do I eat pretty much just those two nuts. These weren't specified in Metabolic Typing Diet. Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 If you're going to use bob's food list, include the lamb. You can get VERY hungry otherwise. Which is bad enough for 5-6 days, but if you're doing it for 10 ..... Ian & i have done it, so email me offlist if you want to talk about it at all. deb > > Hey Deb, > > Thanks a lot for the info. I'm going to save it in case I think I need to go > that route. I think I'm going to do the 10 day pepto diet first and see if I > get any results from that. I may use Bob's recommended foods though, or at > leat ones that I feel I'm not at all reactive to. As I reported earlier, I'm > already seeing an improvement in a few areas over the past month since > eliminating gluten and bovine casein. I'm still bloated though, so I'm not > all the way there yet. Plus I've got some other symptoms, including the > stinky armpits when I'm nervous or drink stimulants. > > I'm also taking fervita (EM brew) which reportedly should eliminate food > allergies within about 6 months. > > > > > Suze Fisher > Lapdog Design, Inc. > Web Design & Development > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg > Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine > http://www.westonaprice.org > > ---------------------------- > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause > heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- > Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt > University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > > The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics > <http://www.thincs.org> > ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Thanks Heidi, It would nice if there was a better way. Some have used antibiotics that are geared toward klebsiela with success. Then resumed with a low starch diet. After awhile some are able to add back in rice or similar. I had success with the diet for over a year but now the feet have been swollen and inflamed for a while now. Feels like walking on broken or badly sprained feet all the time. Having to take NSAID's now which I know will be detroying my gut. Any ideas for helping this(the feet)? Chris > Seems like there should be a better way of getting rid of >klebsiella than > avoiding all starches though. Some bacteria that takes over that >niche in the food chain and wipes out the klebsiella. > > -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 Heidi- >Seems like there should be a better way of getting rid of klebsiella than >avoiding all starches though. Because god only knows, without starch, life is meaningless... - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2004 Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 Liquid or tablet form? Chris > The pepto is to treat microscopic colitis, which is (according to Dr. Fine) > the issue in a lot of bloating and IBS problems. It is very difficult > to heal, usually, because the bacteria in the gut just keep irritating it. > The pepto gives it time to heal, and it pretty much solves a lot of > other bacterial-overgrowth issues, which are often caused by > stuff like allergies etc. but do not go away when the offending food > is stopped, necessarily. The pepto gives you a " clean slate " ... no more > bad bacteria. > > -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2004 Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 >Liquid or tablet form? > >Chris Doesn't matter AFAIK. -- Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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