Re: Intro - Deb in Boise, ID

[Guest guest]

Once you got around to NT, did you suspect that industrially-

processed vegetable oil might have had something to with your

husband's heart attack? Did he use that kind of oil?

>

>

> I was excited to find this group and look forward to learning more

> from its members. Idaho has a lot of dairies but sale of raw milk

> for human consumption is illegal. There seems to be some interest

> in legalizing it as it went to court several years ago but

> apparently the legal battle was lost – for the time being, that

> is.

>

> I recently found a woman who has a cow-share program and am

> participating in that. When I was looking and asking around, most

> people's reaction was, " Why would you want to buy raw

> milk? " I'm

> still looking for a closer source but until I do, I'll drive to

> get

> it. I can get fresh eggs too, so it's a deal!

>

> We've always been relatively healthy eaters and thankfully have

> very

> good health but a little over a year ago, my husband, at age 46 had

> a heart attack. The cardiologist scratched his head and said,

> " There

> is no reason for this. " (At his 3-week post-heart-attack check

> up,

> the cardiologist pulled him off the treadmill after he had run 3

> miles and said, " Do whatever exercise you want. " ) Since we

> were

> reeling from the surprise of the heart attack and all, he dutifully

> went on the meds as prescribed but never felt good about taking

> them. He started experiencing muscle cramping and after researching

> a possible cause realized it was the Pravachol and quit taking it.

> We started looking for alternative ideas and I stumbled on The Good

> Fat Cookbook. From there it was Nourishing Traditions and on to

> kefir, fermented foods, raw dairy, etc. In my research, I've been

> finding the various Yahoo Groups which are a great source of

> information and inspiration.

>

> Through this all, we've come to realize that we indeed are in

> charge

> of our own health; we certainly can't trust the medical

> profession,

> government or media to know what's best or even good, it's up

> to us

> personally. I'm learning to keep pretty quiet about these things

> unless someone is interested because frankly, most people want the

> easy way, don't really want the facts and aren't willing to

> make

> changes.

>

> It's a little puzzling that we have to sneak around trying to

> find

> healthy raw foods when all the processed junk is abundant. It's

> also

> a little frightening when you realize that the " party line "

> is

> usually believed—i.e. " raw milk will make you sick " but

> people

> willingly accept it when fast food places have a bout of food

> poisoning!

>

> That said, I'm glad to find another place to share and receive

> information and look forward to what I'll learn!

[Guest guest]

Once you got around to NT, did you suspect that industrially-

processed vegetable oil might have had something to with your

husband's heart attack? Did he use that kind of oil?

>

>

> I was excited to find this group and look forward to learning more

> from its members. Idaho has a lot of dairies but sale of raw milk

> for human consumption is illegal. There seems to be some interest

> in legalizing it as it went to court several years ago but

> apparently the legal battle was lost – for the time being, that

> is.

>

> I recently found a woman who has a cow-share program and am

> participating in that. When I was looking and asking around, most

> people's reaction was, " Why would you want to buy raw

> milk? " I'm

> still looking for a closer source but until I do, I'll drive to

> get

> it. I can get fresh eggs too, so it's a deal!

>

> We've always been relatively healthy eaters and thankfully have

> very

> good health but a little over a year ago, my husband, at age 46 had

> a heart attack. The cardiologist scratched his head and said,

> " There

> is no reason for this. " (At his 3-week post-heart-attack check

> up,

> the cardiologist pulled him off the treadmill after he had run 3

> miles and said, " Do whatever exercise you want. " ) Since we

> were

> reeling from the surprise of the heart attack and all, he dutifully

> went on the meds as prescribed but never felt good about taking

> them. He started experiencing muscle cramping and after researching

> a possible cause realized it was the Pravachol and quit taking it.

> We started looking for alternative ideas and I stumbled on The Good

> Fat Cookbook. From there it was Nourishing Traditions and on to

> kefir, fermented foods, raw dairy, etc. In my research, I've been

> finding the various Yahoo Groups which are a great source of

> information and inspiration.

>

> Through this all, we've come to realize that we indeed are in

> charge

> of our own health; we certainly can't trust the medical

> profession,

> government or media to know what's best or even good, it's up

> to us

> personally. I'm learning to keep pretty quiet about these things

> unless someone is interested because frankly, most people want the

> easy way, don't really want the facts and aren't willing to

> make

> changes.

>

> It's a little puzzling that we have to sneak around trying to

> find

> healthy raw foods when all the processed junk is abundant. It's

> also

> a little frightening when you realize that the " party line "

> is

> usually believed—i.e. " raw milk will make you sick " but

> people

> willingly accept it when fast food places have a bout of food

> poisoning!

>

> That said, I'm glad to find another place to share and receive

> information and look forward to what I'll learn!

[Guest guest]

Deb,

After reading your intro, I had to agree with your assessment in

your earlier email to me--we certainly do have a lot in

common!!!

We probably are members of some of the same yahoo groups. I'm also

into Kefir, homemade cheese, Kombucha, Kimchi and Sauerkraut, and

I've also been experimenting with making wine this past year out of

concord grapes, plums, cherries and apples. I strongly believe in

growing as much of my own food as possible. I used to live on one

acre in southwest Boise and raised chickens, turkeys, peacocks,

rabbits, and even pigs once. But the pigs kept getting out and

chomping and eating up our free range chickens. So I gave up on the

pigs. I sure would like to have a few acres again someday and

include goats in the mix for the raw milk.

I'm also an avid gardener and grow most of my own vegetables. This

is a busy time of year as I'm winding down the harvesting, canning

and freezing end of it all and also gearing up for the holidays.

Thanks for the website to your home church. My hubby and I will be

visiting very soon. Hope to meet you, as you seem to be a kindred

spirit.

If you would like a list of my yahoo groups, let me know. I'll send

you the links of all the health-related groups I am a member of.

God bless you,

(from Boise)

[Guest guest]

Deb,

After reading your intro, I had to agree with your assessment in

your earlier email to me--we certainly do have a lot in

common!!!

We probably are members of some of the same yahoo groups. I'm also

into Kefir, homemade cheese, Kombucha, Kimchi and Sauerkraut, and

I've also been experimenting with making wine this past year out of

concord grapes, plums, cherries and apples. I strongly believe in

growing as much of my own food as possible. I used to live on one

acre in southwest Boise and raised chickens, turkeys, peacocks,

rabbits, and even pigs once. But the pigs kept getting out and

chomping and eating up our free range chickens. So I gave up on the

pigs. I sure would like to have a few acres again someday and

include goats in the mix for the raw milk.

I'm also an avid gardener and grow most of my own vegetables. This

is a busy time of year as I'm winding down the harvesting, canning

and freezing end of it all and also gearing up for the holidays.

Thanks for the website to your home church. My hubby and I will be

visiting very soon. Hope to meet you, as you seem to be a kindred

spirit.

If you would like a list of my yahoo groups, let me know. I'll send

you the links of all the health-related groups I am a member of.

God bless you,

(from Boise)

[Guest guest]

Actually, it was The Good Fat Cookbook that got us off vegetable

oils. We've always used EVOO and butter but unwittingly did

the " lowfat " /canola oil thing. After talking with a nurse in CCU who

mentioned C-Reactive protein and researching that, I believe his

attack was partially due to heredity (his mom had a heat attack in

her 50's) and ongoing inflammation from osteoarthritis in his

shoulder. But, I strongly feel now that getting off vegetable oils

and adding good fats, including fresh dairy, will be the key in

keeping his heart and arteries healthy!

> >

> >

> > I was excited to find this group and look forward to learning

more

> > from its members. Idaho has a lot of dairies but sale of raw

milk

> > for human consumption is illegal. There seems to be some

interest

> > in legalizing it as it went to court several years ago but

> > apparently the legal battle was lost – for the time being,

that

> > is.

> >

> > I recently found a woman who has a cow-share program and am

> > participating in that. When I was looking and asking around,

most

> > people's reaction was, " Why would you want to buy raw

> > milk? " I'm

> > still looking for a closer source but until I do, I'll drive to

> > get

> > it. I can get fresh eggs too, so it's a deal!

> >

> > We've always been relatively healthy eaters and thankfully have

> > very

> > good health but a little over a year ago, my husband, at age 46

had

> > a heart attack. The cardiologist scratched his head and said,

> > " There

> > is no reason for this. " (At his 3-week post-heart-attack check

> > up,

> > the cardiologist pulled him off the treadmill after he had run 3

> > miles and said, " Do whatever exercise you want. " ) Since we

> > were

> > reeling from the surprise of the heart attack and all, he

dutifully

> > went on the meds as prescribed but never felt good about taking

> > them. He started experiencing muscle cramping and after

researching

> > a possible cause realized it was the Pravachol and quit taking

it.

> > We started looking for alternative ideas and I stumbled on The

Good

> > Fat Cookbook. From there it was Nourishing Traditions and on to

> > kefir, fermented foods, raw dairy, etc. In my research, I've

been

> > finding the various Yahoo Groups which are a great source of

> > information and inspiration.

> >

> > Through this all, we've come to realize that we indeed are in

> > charge

> > of our own health; we certainly can't trust the medical

> > profession,

> > government or media to know what's best or even good, it's up

> > to us

> > personally. I'm learning to keep pretty quiet about these things

> > unless someone is interested because frankly, most people want

the

> > easy way, don't really want the facts and aren't willing to

> > make

> > changes.

> >

> > It's a little puzzling that we have to sneak around trying to

> > find

> > healthy raw foods when all the processed junk is abundant. It's

> > also

> > a little frightening when you realize that the " party line "

> > is

> > usually believed—i.e. " raw milk will make you sick " but

> > people

> > willingly accept it when fast food places have a bout of food

> > poisoning!

> >

> > That said, I'm glad to find another place to share and receive

> > information and look forward to what I'll learn!