Re: Can we have a discussion about thyroid?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Just thinking about salt....... as far as I'm aware nearly all the table salt available in the UK now is not iodized like it used to be. Does anyone know when the iodized salt was phased out? Might it have had any impact on people's thyroid problems and the incidence of autism do you think?

The only iodized salt I've found recently was in Lidl.

Patience

Subject: Can we have a discussion about thyroid?To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 2:36 PMHi guys,

I have been researching thyroid the last while as it's tied up with the adrenal function.

There are two features of autism recongized by mainstream medicine, one is a smaller than average amygdala and dysfunctional serotonin metabolism.

Well apparently the thyroid governs the serotonin metabolism and just this morning I found an abstract on rats suggesting that a small amygdala is related to low T3. Also I have spent the last weeks on a thyroid list and interestingly enough they report low ferritin in cases of hypothyroid. I think I have seen a lot of posts on our lists discussing low ferritin. Again on the same thyroid list they recommend increasing adrenal strength before fixing the thyroid. And another thing, Dr. Woody McGinnis long ago noticed that the moms of children with ASD were often estrogen rich. I think this could tie up with a faulty thyroid also. I definately had hypothyroidism after my pregnancy. Have no idea if I had it before hand.....

Soo, I was wondering if hypothyroidism is common in children with autism and the moms

Do any of you have lab tests showing free T4 and free T3 levels. There is a lot of controversy regarding the best levels of these two parameters in terms of a healthy thyroid. What interests me is whether T4 is being converted to T3. For this conversion selenium and iodine is neccessary. I doubt whether any of us got enough iodine during our pregnancies as we were told NOT to eat salt, the main source for iodine.

If you have any thyroid lab results at all, maybe you could share these with us.

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DISCLAIMER

No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If

you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

[Guest guest]

And look here Patience, Iodine helps the conversion from beta-carotene

to retinol. Don't most of the kids have a Vitamin A deficiency. Lack of

A is associated with viral problems, at least with measles.....

http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/min_iodine.html

Patience Elliott schrieb:

>

> Hi ,

>

> Just thinking about salt....... as far as I'm aware nearly all the

> table salt available in the UK now is not iodized like it used to be.

> Does anyone know when the iodized salt was phased out? Might it have

> had any impact on people's thyroid problems and the incidence of

> autism do you think?

>

> The only iodized salt I've found recently was in Lidl.

>

> Patience

>

>

>

>

> Subject: Can we have a discussion about

> thyroid?

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 2:36 PM

>

> Hi guys,

>

> I have been researching thyroid the last while as it's tied up with the

> adrenal function.

>

> There are two features of autism recongized by mainstream medicine, one

> is a smaller than average amygdala and dysfunctional serotonin metabolism.

> Well apparently the thyroid governs the serotonin metabolism and just

> this morning I found an abstract on rats suggesting that a small

> amygdala is related to low T3. Also I have spent the last weeks on a

> thyroid list and interestingly enough they report low ferritin in cases

> of hypothyroid. I think I have seen a lot of posts on our lists

> discussing low ferritin. Again on the same thyroid list they recommend

> increasing adrenal strength before fixing the thyroid. And another

> thing, Dr. Woody McGinnis long ago noticed that the moms of children

> with ASD were often estrogen rich. I think this could tie up with a

> faulty thyroid also. I definately had hypothyroidism after my

> pregnancy. Have no idea if I had it before hand.....

>

> Soo, I was wondering if hypothyroidism is common in children with autism

> and the moms

>

> Do any of you have lab tests showing free T4 and free T3 levels. There

> is a lot of controversy regarding the best levels of these two

> parameters in terms of a healthy thyroid. What interests me is whether

> T4 is being converted to T3. For this conversion selenium and iodine is

> neccessary. I doubt whether any of us got enough iodine during our

> pregnancies as we were told NOT to eat salt, the main source for iodine.

>

> If you have any thyroid lab results at all, maybe you could share these

> with us.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice. If

> you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

>

[Guest guest]

And look here Patience, Iodine helps the conversion from beta-carotene

to retinol. Don't most of the kids have a Vitamin A deficiency. Lack of

A is associated with viral problems, at least with measles.....

http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/min_iodine.html

Patience Elliott schrieb:

>

> Hi ,

>

> Just thinking about salt....... as far as I'm aware nearly all the

> table salt available in the UK now is not iodized like it used to be.

> Does anyone know when the iodized salt was phased out? Might it have

> had any impact on people's thyroid problems and the incidence of

> autism do you think?

>

> The only iodized salt I've found recently was in Lidl.

>

> Patience

>

>

>

>

> Subject: Can we have a discussion about

> thyroid?

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 2:36 PM

>

> Hi guys,

>

> I have been researching thyroid the last while as it's tied up with the

> adrenal function.

>

> There are two features of autism recongized by mainstream medicine, one

> is a smaller than average amygdala and dysfunctional serotonin metabolism.

> Well apparently the thyroid governs the serotonin metabolism and just

> this morning I found an abstract on rats suggesting that a small

> amygdala is related to low T3. Also I have spent the last weeks on a

> thyroid list and interestingly enough they report low ferritin in cases

> of hypothyroid. I think I have seen a lot of posts on our lists

> discussing low ferritin. Again on the same thyroid list they recommend

> increasing adrenal strength before fixing the thyroid. And another

> thing, Dr. Woody McGinnis long ago noticed that the moms of children

> with ASD were often estrogen rich. I think this could tie up with a

> faulty thyroid also. I definately had hypothyroidism after my

> pregnancy. Have no idea if I had it before hand.....

>

> Soo, I was wondering if hypothyroidism is common in children with autism

> and the moms

>

> Do any of you have lab tests showing free T4 and free T3 levels. There

> is a lot of controversy regarding the best levels of these two

> parameters in terms of a healthy thyroid. What interests me is whether

> T4 is being converted to T3. For this conversion selenium and iodine is

> neccessary. I doubt whether any of us got enough iodine during our

> pregnancies as we were told NOT to eat salt, the main source for iodine.

>

> If you have any thyroid lab results at all, maybe you could share these

> with us.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice. If

> you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

>

[Guest guest]

And look here Patience, Iodine helps the conversion from beta-carotene

to retinol. Don't most of the kids have a Vitamin A deficiency. Lack of

A is associated with viral problems, at least with measles.....

http://www.springboard4health.com/notebook/min_iodine.html

Patience Elliott schrieb:

>

> Hi ,

>

> Just thinking about salt....... as far as I'm aware nearly all the

> table salt available in the UK now is not iodized like it used to be.

> Does anyone know when the iodized salt was phased out? Might it have

> had any impact on people's thyroid problems and the incidence of

> autism do you think?

>

> The only iodized salt I've found recently was in Lidl.

>

> Patience

>

>

>

>

> Subject: Can we have a discussion about

> thyroid?

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 2:36 PM

>

> Hi guys,

>

> I have been researching thyroid the last while as it's tied up with the

> adrenal function.

>

> There are two features of autism recongized by mainstream medicine, one

> is a smaller than average amygdala and dysfunctional serotonin metabolism.

> Well apparently the thyroid governs the serotonin metabolism and just

> this morning I found an abstract on rats suggesting that a small

> amygdala is related to low T3. Also I have spent the last weeks on a

> thyroid list and interestingly enough they report low ferritin in cases

> of hypothyroid. I think I have seen a lot of posts on our lists

> discussing low ferritin. Again on the same thyroid list they recommend

> increasing adrenal strength before fixing the thyroid. And another

> thing, Dr. Woody McGinnis long ago noticed that the moms of children

> with ASD were often estrogen rich. I think this could tie up with a

> faulty thyroid also. I definately had hypothyroidism after my

> pregnancy. Have no idea if I had it before hand.....

>

> Soo, I was wondering if hypothyroidism is common in children with autism

> and the moms

>

> Do any of you have lab tests showing free T4 and free T3 levels. There

> is a lot of controversy regarding the best levels of these two

> parameters in terms of a healthy thyroid. What interests me is whether

> T4 is being converted to T3. For this conversion selenium and iodine is

> neccessary. I doubt whether any of us got enough iodine during our

> pregnancies as we were told NOT to eat salt, the main source for iodine.

>

> If you have any thyroid lab results at all, maybe you could share these

> with us.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice. If

> you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIE GRIFFITHS

===>Ours was low thyroid, no autoimmunity, good TSH 1.1, but low T3, the important one needed for brain development. Putting her on Armour was secondary only to chelation in her recovery. And it makes sense....so many things are connected to the thyroid; immunity, mood, appetite, digestion, attention, energy etc.

Very hard to catch, for us, as she had none of the normal parameters for low thyroid; as she was tall, thin and had lots of hair. Her only symptoms were dry skin despite supplementation with CLO and low body temps.

>>> > Hi guys,> >> > I have been researching thyroid the last while as it's tied up with> the> > adrenal function.> >> > There are two features of autism recongized by mainstream medicine,> one> > is a smaller than average amygdala and dysfunctional serotonin> metabolism.> > Well apparently the thyroid governs the serotonin metabolism and> just> > this morning I found an abstract on rats suggesting that a small> > amygdala is related to low T3. Also I have spent the last weeks on> a> > thyroid list and interestingly enough they report low ferritin in> cases> > of hypothyroid. I think I have seen a lot of posts on our lists> > discussing low ferritin. Again on the same thyroid list they> recommend> > increasing adrenal strength before fixing the thyroid. And another> > thing, Dr. Woody McGinnis long ago noticed that the moms of> children> > with ASD were often estrogen rich. I think this could tie up with a> > faulty thyroid also. I definately had hypothyroidism after my> > pregnancy. Have no idea if I had it before hand.....> >> > Soo, I was wondering if hypothyroidism is common in children with> autism> > and the moms> >> > Do any of you have lab tests showing free T4 and free T3 levels.> There> > is a lot of controversy regarding the best levels of these two> > parameters in terms of a healthy thyroid. What interests me is> whether> > T4 is being converted to T3. For this conversion selenium and> iodine is> > neccessary. I doubt whether any of us got enough iodine during our> > pregnancies as we were told NOT to eat salt, the main source for> iodine.> >> > If you have any thyroid lab results at all, maybe you could share> these> > with us.> >> > > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------->> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1866 - Release Date: 27/12/2008 20:49>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIE GRIFFITHS

===>Ours was low thyroid, no autoimmunity, good TSH 1.1, but low T3, the important one needed for brain development. Putting her on Armour was secondary only to chelation in her recovery. And it makes sense....so many things are connected to the thyroid; immunity, mood, appetite, digestion, attention, energy etc.

Very hard to catch, for us, as she had none of the normal parameters for low thyroid; as she was tall, thin and had lots of hair. Her only symptoms were dry skin despite supplementation with CLO and low body temps.

>>> > Hi guys,> >> > I have been researching thyroid the last while as it's tied up with> the> > adrenal function.> >> > There are two features of autism recongized by mainstream medicine,> one> > is a smaller than average amygdala and dysfunctional serotonin> metabolism.> > Well apparently the thyroid governs the serotonin metabolism and> just> > this morning I found an abstract on rats suggesting that a small> > amygdala is related to low T3. Also I have spent the last weeks on> a> > thyroid list and interestingly enough they report low ferritin in> cases> > of hypothyroid. I think I have seen a lot of posts on our lists> > discussing low ferritin. Again on the same thyroid list they> recommend> > increasing adrenal strength before fixing the thyroid. And another> > thing, Dr. Woody McGinnis long ago noticed that the moms of> children> > with ASD were often estrogen rich. I think this could tie up with a> > faulty thyroid also. I definately had hypothyroidism after my> > pregnancy. Have no idea if I had it before hand.....> >> > Soo, I was wondering if hypothyroidism is common in children with> autism> > and the moms> >> > Do any of you have lab tests showing free T4 and free T3 levels.> There> > is a lot of controversy regarding the best levels of these two> > parameters in terms of a healthy thyroid. What interests me is> whether> > T4 is being converted to T3. For this conversion selenium and> iodine is> > neccessary. I doubt whether any of us got enough iodine during our> > pregnancies as we were told NOT to eat salt, the main source for> iodine.> >> > If you have any thyroid lab results at all, maybe you could share> these> > with us.> >> > > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------->> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1866 - Release Date: 27/12/2008 20:49>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: JULIE GRIFFITHS

===>Ours was low thyroid, no autoimmunity, good TSH 1.1, but low T3, the important one needed for brain development. Putting her on Armour was secondary only to chelation in her recovery. And it makes sense....so many things are connected to the thyroid; immunity, mood, appetite, digestion, attention, energy etc.

Very hard to catch, for us, as she had none of the normal parameters for low thyroid; as she was tall, thin and had lots of hair. Her only symptoms were dry skin despite supplementation with CLO and low body temps.

>>> > Hi guys,> >> > I have been researching thyroid the last while as it's tied up with> the> > adrenal function.> >> > There are two features of autism recongized by mainstream medicine,> one> > is a smaller than average amygdala and dysfunctional serotonin> metabolism.> > Well apparently the thyroid governs the serotonin metabolism and> just> > this morning I found an abstract on rats suggesting that a small> > amygdala is related to low T3. Also I have spent the last weeks on> a> > thyroid list and interestingly enough they report low ferritin in> cases> > of hypothyroid. I think I have seen a lot of posts on our lists> > discussing low ferritin. Again on the same thyroid list they> recommend> > increasing adrenal strength before fixing the thyroid. And another> > thing, Dr. Woody McGinnis long ago noticed that the moms of> children> > with ASD were often estrogen rich. I think this could tie up with a> > faulty thyroid also. I definately had hypothyroidism after my> > pregnancy. Have no idea if I had it before hand.....> >> > Soo, I was wondering if hypothyroidism is common in children with> autism> > and the moms> >> > Do any of you have lab tests showing free T4 and free T3 levels.> There> > is a lot of controversy regarding the best levels of these two> > parameters in terms of a healthy thyroid. What interests me is> whether> > T4 is being converted to T3. For this conversion selenium and> iodine is> > neccessary. I doubt whether any of us got enough iodine during our> > pregnancies as we were told NOT to eat salt, the main source for> iodine.> >> > If you have any thyroid lab results at all, maybe you could share> these> > with us.> >> > > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------->> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1866 - Release Date: 27/12/2008 20:49>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patience,

I'm now using the Lidl salt. I'd been using a brand called " Cerebos "

which is clearly labelled in big print " Iodised Table Salt " , providing

not less than 1150mcg/100g. I was getting this both from Tesco and

Sainsbury but it seems they've stopped it in our stores here.

emily

>

> From: JULIE GRIFFITHS moppett1@...

> Subject: Can we have a discussion about

thyroid?

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 2:36 PM

>

> Hi guys,

>

> I have been researching thyroid the last while as it's tied up with

the

> adrenal function.

>

> There are two features of autism recongized by mainstream medicine,

one

> is a smaller than average amygdala and dysfunctional serotonin

metabolism.

> Well apparently the thyroid governs the serotonin metabolism and just

> this morning I found an abstract on rats suggesting that a small

> amygdala is related to low T3. Also I have spent the last weeks on a

> thyroid list and interestingly enough they report low ferritin in

cases

> of hypothyroid. I think I have seen a lot of posts on our lists

> discussing low ferritin. Again on the same thyroid list they recommend

> increasing adrenal strength before fixing the thyroid. And another

> thing, Dr. Woody McGinnis long ago noticed that the moms of children

> with ASD were often estrogen rich. I think this could tie up with a

> faulty thyroid also. I definately had hypothyroidism after my

> pregnancy. Have no idea if I had it before hand.....

>

> Soo, I was wondering if hypothyroidism is common in children with

autism

> and the moms

>

> Do any of you have lab tests showing free T4 and free T3 levels. There

> is a lot of controversy regarding the best levels of these two

> parameters in terms of a healthy thyroid. What interests me is whether

> T4 is being converted to T3. For this conversion selenium and iodine

is

> neccessary. I doubt whether any of us got enough iodine during our

> pregnancies as we were told NOT to eat salt, the main source for

iodine.

>

> If you have any thyroid lab results at all, maybe you could share

these

> with us.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice. If

> you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patience,

I'm now using the Lidl salt. I'd been using a brand called " Cerebos "

which is clearly labelled in big print " Iodised Table Salt " , providing

not less than 1150mcg/100g. I was getting this both from Tesco and

Sainsbury but it seems they've stopped it in our stores here.

emily

>

> From: JULIE GRIFFITHS moppett1@...

> Subject: Can we have a discussion about

thyroid?

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 2:36 PM

>

> Hi guys,

>

> I have been researching thyroid the last while as it's tied up with

the

> adrenal function.

>

> There are two features of autism recongized by mainstream medicine,

one

> is a smaller than average amygdala and dysfunctional serotonin

metabolism.

> Well apparently the thyroid governs the serotonin metabolism and just

> this morning I found an abstract on rats suggesting that a small

> amygdala is related to low T3. Also I have spent the last weeks on a

> thyroid list and interestingly enough they report low ferritin in

cases

> of hypothyroid. I think I have seen a lot of posts on our lists

> discussing low ferritin. Again on the same thyroid list they recommend

> increasing adrenal strength before fixing the thyroid. And another

> thing, Dr. Woody McGinnis long ago noticed that the moms of children

> with ASD were often estrogen rich. I think this could tie up with a

> faulty thyroid also. I definately had hypothyroidism after my

> pregnancy. Have no idea if I had it before hand.....

>

> Soo, I was wondering if hypothyroidism is common in children with

autism

> and the moms

>

> Do any of you have lab tests showing free T4 and free T3 levels. There

> is a lot of controversy regarding the best levels of these two

> parameters in terms of a healthy thyroid. What interests me is whether

> T4 is being converted to T3. For this conversion selenium and iodine

is

> neccessary. I doubt whether any of us got enough iodine during our

> pregnancies as we were told NOT to eat salt, the main source for

iodine.

>

> If you have any thyroid lab results at all, maybe you could share

these

> with us.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice. If

> you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

>

[Guest guest]

Patience,

I just spoke to British Salt..

They do NOT generally iodize salt! It is done only for export :-0 they

say teh governement says there is already TOO much iodine in the food so

it is not needed in salt. The man I spoke to couldn't remember a time

when they didn't have this policy.

So what is going on? Do Brits get too much or too little iodine?

He said Britsh salt does manufacture a specialty slat with iodine. That

is CEREBROS.

Patience Elliott schrieb:

>

> Hi ,

>

> Just thinking about salt....... as far as I'm aware nearly all the

> table salt available in the UK now is not iodized like it used to be.

> Does anyone know when the iodized salt was phased out? Might it have

> had any impact on people's thyroid problems and the incidence of

> autism do you think?

>

> The only iodized salt I've found recently was in Lidl.

>

> Patience

>

>

>

>

> Subject: Can we have a discussion about

> thyroid?

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 2:36 PM

>

> Hi guys,

>

> I have been researching thyroid the last while as it's tied up with the

> adrenal function.

>

> There are two features of autism recongized by mainstream medicine, one

> is a smaller than average amygdala and dysfunctional serotonin metabolism.

> Well apparently the thyroid governs the serotonin metabolism and just

> this morning I found an abstract on rats suggesting that a small

> amygdala is related to low T3. Also I have spent the last weeks on a

> thyroid list and interestingly enough they report low ferritin in cases

> of hypothyroid. I think I have seen a lot of posts on our lists

> discussing low ferritin. Again on the same thyroid list they recommend

> increasing adrenal strength before fixing the thyroid. And another

> thing, Dr. Woody McGinnis long ago noticed that the moms of children

> with ASD were often estrogen rich. I think this could tie up with a

> faulty thyroid also. I definately had hypothyroidism after my

> pregnancy. Have no idea if I had it before hand.....

>

> Soo, I was wondering if hypothyroidism is common in children with autism

> and the moms

>

> Do any of you have lab tests showing free T4 and free T3 levels. There

> is a lot of controversy regarding the best levels of these two

> parameters in terms of a healthy thyroid. What interests me is whether

> T4 is being converted to T3. For this conversion selenium and iodine is

> neccessary. I doubt whether any of us got enough iodine during our

> pregnancies as we were told NOT to eat salt, the main source for iodine.

>

> If you have any thyroid lab results at all, maybe you could share these

> with us.

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice. If

> you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

>

[Guest guest]

see this mom's extensive research into iron supping and

autism/diabetes http://www.autismhelpforyou.com/Redefining%20The%

20Role%20Of%20Insulin.htm

the site is kinda rambling but full of info.

> > Hi

> >

> > We had a TSH fT4 and fT3 test done back in August for my then 5

yr old

> > actually my 1st question on this list was regarding his thyroid.

> > One thing that should be checked with the labs is that they use

the

> > correct ref. range they usually use an adult ref. range for kids

and

> > the docs forget to ask this, this was the case with my son

although I

> > did manage to find the correct range for fT3 which I was most

> > concerned about as I believe that fT3 for children should be in

the

> > upper half of the appropriate ref. range for proper brain

> > development. His hair test also suggested that he was producing

huge

> > amounts of adrenaline so I think you're right the two (thyroid and

> > drenals)often go hand in hand. His ferretin levels was also quite

low.

> > I believe that selenium, zinc and iron are important for fT4

> > conversion to fT3 but would definitely caution against iron

> > supplementation.

> >

> > Cheers

> > Kenny

> >

> > > Hi guys,

> > >

> > > I have been researching thyroid the last while as it's tied up

with

> > the

> > > adrenal function.

> > >

> > > There are two features of autism recongized by mainstream

medicine,

> > one

> > > is a smaller than average amygdala and dysfunctional serotonin

> > metabolism.

> > > Well apparently the thyroid governs the serotonin metabolism and

> > just

> > > this morning I found an abstract on rats suggesting that a small

> > > amygdala is related to low T3. Also I have spent the last weeks

on

> > a

> > > thyroid list and interestingly enough they report low ferritin

in

> > cases

> > > of hypothyroid. I think I have seen a lot of posts on our lists

> > > discussing low ferritin. Again on the same thyroid list they

> > recommend

> > > increasing adrenal strength before fixing the thyroid. And

another

> > > thing, Dr. Woody McGinnis long ago noticed that the moms of

> > children

> > > with ASD were often estrogen rich. I think this could tie up

with a

> > > faulty thyroid also. I definately had hypothyroidism after my

> > > pregnancy. Have no idea if I had it before hand.....

> > >

> > > Soo, I was wondering if hypothyroidism is common in children

with

> > autism

> > > and the moms

> > >

> > > Do any of you have lab tests showing free T4 and free T3 levels.

> > There

> > > is a lot of controversy regarding the best levels of these two

> > > parameters in terms of a healthy thyroid. What interests me is

> > whether

> > > T4 is being converted to T3. For this conversion selenium and

> > iodine is

> > > neccessary. I doubt whether any of us got enough iodine during

our

> > > pregnancies as we were told NOT to eat salt, the main source for

> > iodine.

> > >

> > > If you have any thyroid lab results at all, maybe you could

share

> > these

> > > with us.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------

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> >

> > No virus found in this incoming message.

> > Checked by AVG.

> > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1866 - Release Date:

27/12/2008 20:49

> >

>

[Guest guest]

remember you can die from hypothyroidism.

My own sister was days away from a thyroid coma. The doctor asked her

how she was still standing after looking at her bloods.

weird how she and me developed thyroidism in the same year of life.---

In Autism-Biomedical-Europe , " Scorer "

wrote:

>

>

> Hi Patience,

>

> I'm now using the Lidl salt. I'd been using a brand

called " Cerebos "

> which is clearly labelled in big print " Iodised Table Salt " ,

providing

> not less than 1150mcg/100g. I was getting this both from Tesco and

> Sainsbury but it seems they've stopped it in our stores here.

>

> emily

>

>

>

> >

> > From: JULIE GRIFFITHS moppett1@

> > Subject: Can we have a discussion about

> thyroid?

> > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> > Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 2:36 PM

> >

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > I have been researching thyroid the last while as it's tied up

with

> the

> > adrenal function.

> >

> > There are two features of autism recongized by mainstream

medicine,

> one

> > is a smaller than average amygdala and dysfunctional serotonin

> metabolism.

> > Well apparently the thyroid governs the serotonin metabolism and

just

> > this morning I found an abstract on rats suggesting that a small

> > amygdala is related to low T3. Also I have spent the last weeks

on a

> > thyroid list and interestingly enough they report low ferritin in

> cases

> > of hypothyroid. I think I have seen a lot of posts on our lists

> > discussing low ferritin. Again on the same thyroid list they

recommend

> > increasing adrenal strength before fixing the thyroid. And another

> > thing, Dr. Woody McGinnis long ago noticed that the moms of

children

> > with ASD were often estrogen rich. I think this could tie up with

a

> > faulty thyroid also. I definately had hypothyroidism after my

> > pregnancy. Have no idea if I had it before hand.....

> >

> > Soo, I was wondering if hypothyroidism is common in children with

> autism

> > and the moms

> >

> > Do any of you have lab tests showing free T4 and free T3 levels.

There

> > is a lot of controversy regarding the best levels of these two

> > parameters in terms of a healthy thyroid. What interests me is

whether

> > T4 is being converted to T3. For this conversion selenium and

iodine

> is

> > neccessary. I doubt whether any of us got enough iodine during our

> > pregnancies as we were told NOT to eat salt, the main source for

> iodine.

> >

> > If you have any thyroid lab results at all, maybe you could share

> these

> > with us.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical

> advice. If

> > you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

> practitioner.

> >

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > From: JULIE GRIFFITHS moppett1@

> > > Subject: Can we have a discussion about

> > thyroid?

> > > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> > > Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 2:36 PM

> > >

> > > Hi guys,

> > >

> > > I have been researching thyroid the last while as it's tied up

> with

> > the

> > > adrenal function.

> > >

> > > There are two features of autism recongized by mainstream

> medicine,

> > one

> > > is a smaller than average amygdala and dysfunctional serotonin

> > metabolism.

> > > Well apparently the thyroid governs the serotonin metabolism and

> just

> > > this morning I found an abstract on rats suggesting that a small

> > > amygdala is related to low T3. Also I have spent the last weeks

> on a

> > > thyroid list and interestingly enough they report low ferritin in

> > cases

> > > of hypothyroid. I think I have seen a lot of posts on our lists

> > > discussing low ferritin. Again on the same thyroid list they

> recommend

> > > increasing adrenal strength before fixing the thyroid. And another

> > > thing, Dr. Woody McGinnis long ago noticed that the moms of

> children

> > > with ASD were often estrogen rich. I think this could tie up with

> a

> > > faulty thyroid also. I definately had hypothyroidism after my

> > > pregnancy. Have no idea if I had it before hand.....

> > >

> > > Soo, I was wondering if hypothyroidism is common in children with

> > autism

> > > and the moms

> > >

> > > Do any of you have lab tests showing free T4 and free T3 levels.

> There

> > > is a lot of controversy regarding the best levels of these two

> > > parameters in terms of a healthy thyroid. What interests me is

> whether

> > > T4 is being converted to T3. For this conversion selenium and

> iodine

> > is

> > > neccessary. I doubt whether any of us got enough iodine during our

> > > pregnancies as we were told NOT to eat salt, the main source for

> > iodine.

> > >

> > > If you have any thyroid lab results at all, maybe you could share

> > these

> > > with us.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > DISCLAIMER

> > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as

> medical

> > advice. If

> > > you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

> > practitioner.

> > >

[Guest guest]

>

> Gosh, This thyroid stuff is just fascinating. I find it all a bit

complex but this guy Rhona mentions sounds worth a visit for me too

with my crashed out Adrenals (God Bless Adrenal Dynamite!!). I

remember Sandy posted some stuff yonks ago and that was so good it

was a comparison of an underactive and an overactive thyroid. I was

such a mixture, guess thats normal when its 2 opposites to chose from.

When I was seeing my GP for blood tests when I was quite poorly in

the summer, he told me that the full thyroid stuff is never done

routinely on the NHS anymore (unless I guess you are under an

endocrinologist or thye are looking at thyroid issues specifically.

Has anyone else found that?

I am in awe of who treated her grand daughter yet there wasnt

much wrong with the thyroid levels. Have I got that right? Yet she

made massive improvements on the Armour, crikey! I must buy that book

and try and understand this a bit better, its all so inter-realted it

makes my mind wobble!

Luv N Smiles

Caroline

xx

[Guest guest]

I see Peatfield. My free t3/t4 and tsh were in normal ranges, but he

did a 24 hour urinary output of thyroid hormone and salivary cortisol

which showed me to need adrenal and thyroid support. He strongly

recommended a therapeutic trial of meds.

I now take armour and isocort, and if I miss doses for a couple days

in a row my hair starts falling out - it's pretty clear that I need

this stuff, but of course mainstream docs all suggested anti-depressants.

> >

> > Gosh, This thyroid stuff is just fascinating. I find it all a bit

> complex but this guy Rhona mentions sounds worth a visit for me too

> with my crashed out Adrenals (God Bless Adrenal Dynamite!!). I

> remember Sandy posted some stuff yonks ago and that was so good it

> was a comparison of an underactive and an overactive thyroid. I was

> such a mixture, guess thats normal when its 2 opposites to chose from.

>

> When I was seeing my GP for blood tests when I was quite poorly in

> the summer, he told me that the full thyroid stuff is never done

> routinely on the NHS anymore (unless I guess you are under an

> endocrinologist or thye are looking at thyroid issues specifically.

> Has anyone else found that?

>

> I am in awe of who treated her grand daughter yet there wasnt

> much wrong with the thyroid levels. Have I got that right? Yet she

> made massive improvements on the Armour, crikey! I must buy that book

> and try and understand this a bit better, its all so inter-realted it

> makes my mind wobble!

>

> Luv N Smiles

> Caroline

> xx

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, what is adrenal dynamite?

> >

> > Gosh, This thyroid stuff is just fascinating. I find it all a bit

> complex but this guy Rhona mentions sounds worth a visit for me too

> with my crashed out Adrenals (God Bless Adrenal Dynamite!!). I

> remember Sandy posted some stuff yonks ago and that was so good it

> was a comparison of an underactive and an overactive thyroid. I was

> such a mixture, guess thats normal when its 2 opposites to chose

from.

>

> When I was seeing my GP for blood tests when I was quite poorly in

> the summer, he told me that the full thyroid stuff is never done

> routinely on the NHS anymore (unless I guess you are under an

> endocrinologist or thye are looking at thyroid issues specifically.

> Has anyone else found that?

>

> I am in awe of who treated her grand daughter yet there

wasnt

> much wrong with the thyroid levels. Have I got that right? Yet she

> made massive improvements on the Armour, crikey! I must buy that

book

> and try and understand this a bit better, its all so inter-realted

it

> makes my mind wobble!

>

> Luv N Smiles

> Caroline

> xx

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: carolinetraa2000

who treated her grand daughter yet there wasnt much wrong with the thyroid levels. Have I got that right? Yet she made massive improvements on the Armour, crikey!

===>She had none of the advanced signs of hypothyroidism, just some dry skin that wouldn't budge despite CLO and very low body temps of 96.8, two points below normal, during the day. I asked the ped about this and he said some people just have lower than normal body temps, but come on!

He did agree to test her Free T3, which was low, despite her very nice TSH of 1.1. But the Armour helped with attention, digestion, body temps and the dry skin. Her energy and immunity also got better.

It wasn't easy, however, getting the dose right but it's been worth the trouble as the figure I saw with ASD kids is that upwards of 80% have some hypothyroidism.

I must buy that book and try and understand this a bit better, its all so inter-realted it makes my mind wobble!Luv N SmilesCarolinexx

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You're right about the Cerebos. I wrote it off because, if I remember rightly, it had some interesting anti-caking agents, like sodium hexacyanoferrates, just as most of the ordinary salts do.

We have switched largely to those sea salts which don't have the anti-caking agents and because I made the assumption that they would have a reasonable iodine content - but I read now that their iodine content is pretty low. I must check out the contents of other minerals.

We'll probably end up using a mixture of sea and Lidl salt.

This is an interesting link http://www.saltinstitute.org/37a.html to an American site, with this particular page showing where iodisation of salt is mandatory or voluntary and the required iodine levels. The UK's is both voluntary and one of the lowest in the world, I see.

ATB

Patience

Subject: Re: Can we have a discussion about thyroid?To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Date: Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 1:34 AM

Hi Patience,I'm now using the Lidl salt. I'd been using a brand called "Cerebos"which is clearly labelled in big print "Iodised Table Salt", providingnot less than 1150mcg/100g. I was getting this both from Tesco andSainsbury but it seems they've stopped it in our stores here.emily>> Subject: [Autism-Biomedical- Europe] Can we have a discussion aboutthyroid?> To: Autism-Biomedical- Europe@yahoogrou ps.com> Date: Tuesday, 30 December, 2008, 2:36 PM>> Hi guys,>> I have been researching thyroid the last while as it's tied up withthe> adrenal function.>> There are two features of autism recongized by mainstream medicine,one> is a smaller than average amygdala and dysfunctional serotoninmetabolism.> Well apparently the thyroid governs the serotonin metabolism and just> this morning I found an abstract on rats suggesting that a small> amygdala is related to low T3. Also I have spent the last weeks on

a> thyroid list and interestingly enough they report low ferritin incases> of hypothyroid. I think I have seen a lot of posts on our lists> discussing low ferritin. Again on the same thyroid list they recommend> increasing adrenal strength before fixing the thyroid. And another> thing, Dr. Woody McGinnis long ago noticed that the moms of children> with ASD were often estrogen rich. I think this could tie up with a> faulty thyroid also. I definately had hypothyroidism after my> pregnancy. Have no idea if I had it before hand.....>> Soo, I was wondering if hypothyroidism is common in children withautism> and the moms>> Do any of you have lab tests showing free T4 and free T3 levels. There> is a lot of controversy regarding the best levels of these two> parameters in terms of a healthy thyroid. What interests me is whether> T4 is being

converted to T3. For this conversion selenium and iodineis> neccessary. I doubt whether any of us got enough iodine during our> pregnancies as we were told NOT to eat salt, the main source foriodine.>> If you have any thyroid lab results at all, maybe you could sharethese> with us.>> >>> ------------ --------- --------- ------>> DISCLAIMER> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medicaladvice. If> you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualifiedpractitioner.>

[Guest guest]

Brilliant gald she is doing so well.

Happy New Year.

Luv Caroline

xxx

[Guest guest]

HI bb

Adrenal Dynamite is a supplement for the Adrenals surprisingly which

has heaps of good stuff in it, lotsa antioxidant vitamins, herbs etc.

Its called DR s Dynamite Adrenal (or Adrenal Dynamite forgotten

which way round it is). Its been good for me and I especially like that

you dont need lots of supplements as lots in the one scoop. I make it

as a shake in the mornings. Quite pricey tho!

Luv caroline

xx

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> I am in awe of who treated her grand daughter yet there wasnt

> much wrong with the thyroid levels. Have I got that right? Yet she

> made massive improvements on the Armour, crikey! I must buy that book

> and try and understand this a bit better, its all so inter-realted it

> makes my mind wobble!

>

> Luv N Smiles

> Caroline

> xx

>

I agree with the statement above, has been a big source of help

and encouragement to us regarding our son's thyroid.

Kenny

[Guest guest]

It's worth every copper penny :-)) I love it.

Subject: Re: Can we have a discussion about thyroid?To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Date: Wednesday, 31 December, 2008, 10:56 PM

HI bbAdrenal Dynamite is a supplement for the Adrenals surprisingly which has heaps of good stuff in it, lotsa antioxidant vitamins, herbs etc. Its called DR s Dynamite Adrenal (or Adrenal Dynamite forgotten which way round it is). Its been good for me and I especially like that you dont need lots of supplements as lots in the one scoop. I make it as a shake in the mornings. Quite pricey tho!Luv carolinexx

[Guest guest]

You don't mention how delicious it tastes (NOT!) The only way to down

it is with tomato juice, lots of tabasco and hold your nose! Haven't

quite worked up to 2 scoops a day yet!

Rhona

>

> HI bb

>

> Adrenal Dynamite is a supplement for the Adrenals surprisingly which

> has heaps of good stuff in it, lotsa antioxidant vitamins, herbs etc.

> Its called DR s Dynamite Adrenal (or Adrenal Dynamite forgotten

> which way round it is). Its been good for me and I especially like that

> you dont need lots of supplements as lots in the one scoop. I make it

> as a shake in the mornings. Quite pricey tho!

>

> Luv caroline

> xx

>

[Guest guest]

You don't mention how delicious it tastes (NOT!) The only way to down

it is with tomato juice, lots of tabasco and hold your nose! Haven't

quite worked up to 2 scoops a day yet!

Rhona

>

> HI bb

>

> Adrenal Dynamite is a supplement for the Adrenals surprisingly which

> has heaps of good stuff in it, lotsa antioxidant vitamins, herbs etc.

> Its called DR s Dynamite Adrenal (or Adrenal Dynamite forgotten

> which way round it is). Its been good for me and I especially like that

> you dont need lots of supplements as lots in the one scoop. I make it

> as a shake in the mornings. Quite pricey tho!

>

> Luv caroline

> xx

>

[Guest guest]

You don't mention how delicious it tastes (NOT!) The only way to down

it is with tomato juice, lots of tabasco and hold your nose! Haven't

quite worked up to 2 scoops a day yet!

Rhona

>

> HI bb

>

> Adrenal Dynamite is a supplement for the Adrenals surprisingly which

> has heaps of good stuff in it, lotsa antioxidant vitamins, herbs etc.

> Its called DR s Dynamite Adrenal (or Adrenal Dynamite forgotten

> which way round it is). Its been good for me and I especially like that

> you dont need lots of supplements as lots in the one scoop. I make it

> as a shake in the mornings. Quite pricey tho!

>

> Luv caroline

> xx

>