Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 since my thyroid was dx'd i have had increasing rheumatism/arthritis - the thyroid drug leaches the calcium. > > I have been concentrating on the thyroid/adrenal combo for several weeks > now and a penny dropped last night. > > I was with a friend last night whose 13 year old son has autism. > Practically every family member on his side has dyslexia interestingly > enough. He didn't give any details but he felt that IBS played an > important role in autism. In light of Nicola's emails last night I > looked up IBS and serotonin and sure enough there was a strong > connection. I had forgotten all about this. Eighty % of serotonin is in > the gut according to Gershon 'The Second Brain'. > > Here's some info on the connection > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritable_bowel_syndrome > > And now then, I remembered that apparently the thyroid controls > serotonin AND calcium metabolism, to what extent I don't know . Three > very important components to the thyroid are: > > 1. Iodine, > > 2. Selenium and > > 3. Tyrosine. > > I am sure there is a problem in getting enough iodine here in the UK. > It's the only Western country which does NOT automatialy iodize salt. > the Food standards people told me that the main iodine sources in > british food were fish ( not every can eat fish regularly due to high > cost and personal tastes), iodine in milk due to prtactice of cleaning > teats with iodine so some of it is absorbed in milk. Using iodine is not > obligatory and local farmer tells me that using iodine is not always > paracticed in dairy milking. the other source is cattle feed which I > have not looked into yet. Now then, iodine content in the soil is very > low in Northern and Scotland. A common thyroid problem called Derbyshire > Neck was widespread in the last century but adding iodin ein the water > resolved this problem. Picture of poor afflicted soul here: > http://www.peaklandheritage.org.uk/index.asp?peakkey=10300521 (But then > the smart council people added in fluoride which would have negated this > effect presumably) > > So we know there are problems with iodine provision here in the UK > coupled with the low salt recommendations from government means even if > you thought about iodized salt, you would have erred on the side of > caution anyway by low dosing on it when it probably should have been > more generous. > > A problem with iodine dficiency is that beta-carotene will not convert > to Vitamin A effectively (high Vitamin A =low measles) And what happens > when you have the MMR in light of a problem converting beta- carotene to > vitamin A I leave to your imagination!! > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyroid > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez > > > > So in short I am wondering whether a thyroid problem is causing a > serotonin problem which is causing a gut problem It is well known that > an underative thyroid is associated with constipation, so slowing down > of gut..... > > Bathing in chlorine water will displace the important iodine. > > Sorry for the higgeldy piggeldy...just wanted to get my thoughts down so > we can have a dicsussion and maybe help little Luke and all the bowel kids. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 , This fits us again ! stopped eye gouging when he started calcium supplements. Also ..I have no idea what relevance this has...when we recently did vit A protocol he had increased epilepsy. x JULIE GRIFFITHS wrote: > I have been concentrating on the thyroid/adrenal combo for several weeks > now and a penny dropped last night. > > I was with a friend last night whose 13 year old son has autism. > Practically every family member on his side has dyslexia interestingly > enough. He didn't give any details but he felt that IBS played an > important role in autism. In light of Nicola's emails last night I > looked up IBS and serotonin and sure enough there was a strong > connection. I had forgotten all about this. Eighty % of serotonin is in > the gut according to Gershon 'The Second Brain'. > > Here's some info on the connection > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritable_bowel_syndrome > > And now then, I remembered that apparently the thyroid controls > serotonin AND calcium metabolism, to what extent I don't know . Three > very important components to the thyroid are: > > 1. Iodine, > > 2. Selenium and > > 3. Tyrosine. > > I am sure there is a problem in getting enough iodine here in the UK. > It's the only Western country which does NOT automatialy iodize salt. > the Food standards people told me that the main iodine sources in > british food were fish ( not every can eat fish regularly due to high > cost and personal tastes), iodine in milk due to prtactice of cleaning > teats with iodine so some of it is absorbed in milk. Using iodine is not > obligatory and local farmer tells me that using iodine is not always > paracticed in dairy milking. the other source is cattle feed which I > have not looked into yet. Now then, iodine content in the soil is very > low in Northern and Scotland. A common thyroid problem called Derbyshire > Neck was widespread in the last century but adding iodin ein the water > resolved this problem. Picture of poor afflicted soul here: > http://www.peaklandheritage.org.uk/index.asp?peakkey=10300521 (But then > the smart council people added in fluoride which would have negated this > effect presumably) > > So we know there are problems with iodine provision here in the UK > coupled with the low salt recommendations from government means even if > you thought about iodized salt, you would have erred on the side of > caution anyway by low dosing on it when it probably should have been > more generous. > > A problem with iodine dficiency is that beta-carotene will not convert > to Vitamin A effectively (high Vitamin A =low measles) And what happens > when you have the MMR in light of a problem converting beta-carotene to > vitamin A I leave to your imagination!! > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyroid > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez > > > > So in short I am wondering whether a thyroid problem is causing a > serotonin problem which is causing a gut problem It is well known that > an underative thyroid is associated with constipation, so slowing down > of gut..... > > Bathing in chlorine water will displace the important iodine. > > Sorry for the higgeldy piggeldy...just wanted to get my thoughts down so > we can have a dicsussion and maybe help little Luke and all the bowel kids. > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > DISCLAIMER > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 I'll take a stab at this... From the thyroid groups I have picked up that the low thyroid is associated with high cholesterol. This tells me that thyroid must play an important role in fat metabolism. Your child seems to have a problem in metabolizing fat ( A is fat soluable). Most of these children seem to have problems metabolizing fat. It's well established in most of our kids that supplementing with Omegas seem to cause problems after a while. Iused to think that adding in carnitine would help but i think there is something more central to be considered. Adrenal glands use up magnesium when overburdened. If epilepsy is tied to low magnesium, then maybe the the body's attempt to metabolize the fat is upsetting the adrenal glands. Mag gets used up, the body starts fitting.... This is just conjecture... P & L schrieb: > > , > This fits us again ! stopped eye gouging when he started calcium > supplements. > > Also ..I have no idea what relevance this has...when we recently did vit > A protocol he had increased epilepsy. > > x > > JULIE GRIFFITHS wrote: > > I have been concentrating on the thyroid/adrenal combo for several > weeks > > now and a penny dropped last night. > > > > I was with a friend last night whose 13 year old son has autism. > > Practically every family member on his side has dyslexia interestingly > > enough. He didn't give any details but he felt that IBS played an > > important role in autism. In light of Nicola's emails last night I > > looked up IBS and serotonin and sure enough there was a strong > > connection. I had forgotten all about this. Eighty % of serotonin is in > > the gut according to Gershon 'The Second Brain'. > > > > Here's some info on the connection > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Irritable_ bowel_syndrome > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritable_bowel_syndrome> > > > > And now then, I remembered that apparently the thyroid controls > > serotonin AND calcium metabolism, to what extent I don't know . Three > > very important components to the thyroid are: > > > > 1. Iodine, > > > > 2. Selenium and > > > > 3. Tyrosine. > > > > I am sure there is a problem in getting enough iodine here in the UK. > > It's the only Western country which does NOT automatialy iodize salt. > > the Food standards people told me that the main iodine sources in > > british food were fish ( not every can eat fish regularly due to high > > cost and personal tastes), iodine in milk due to prtactice of cleaning > > teats with iodine so some of it is absorbed in milk. Using iodine is > not > > obligatory and local farmer tells me that using iodine is not always > > paracticed in dairy milking. the other source is cattle feed which I > > have not looked into yet. Now then, iodine content in the soil is very > > low in Northern and Scotland. A common thyroid problem called > Derbyshire > > Neck was widespread in the last century but adding iodin ein the water > > resolved this problem. Picture of poor afflicted soul here: > > http://www.peakland heritage. org.uk/index. asp?peakkey= 10300521 > <http://www.peaklandheritage.org.uk/index.asp?peakkey=10300521> (But then > > the smart council people added in fluoride which would have negated > this > > effect presumably) > > > > So we know there are problems with iodine provision here in the UK > > coupled with the low salt recommendations from government means even if > > you thought about iodized salt, you would have erred on the side of > > caution anyway by low dosing on it when it probably should have been > > more generous. > > > > A problem with iodine dficiency is that beta-carotene will not convert > > to Vitamin A effectively (high Vitamin A =low measles) And what happens > > when you have the MMR in light of a problem converting beta-carotene to > > vitamin A I leave to your imagination! ! > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Thyroid > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyroid> > > http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez> > > > > > > > > So in short I am wondering whether a thyroid problem is causing a > > serotonin problem which is causing a gut problem It is well known that > > an underative thyroid is associated with constipation, so slowing down > > of gut..... > > > > Bathing in chlorine water will displace the important iodine. > > > > Sorry for the higgeldy piggeldy...just wanted to get my thoughts > down so > > we can have a dicsussion and maybe help little Luke and all the > bowel kids. > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > DISCLAIMER > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical > advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably > qualified practitioner. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Yes ....we have had problems with all the oil based supplements ! All increasing epilepsy. He is on some of them now and seems ok but I had several attempts to introduce them. It may be that I have helped ease something and he now tolerates them....but not the big dose of A. Magnesium is one of his biggies to help his epilepsy. I think you also said low ferritin was an indicator of hypothyroidism ? His is 52 ref range 30 - 400. TSH 3.71 Free thyroxine 10.9 (ref range 12.0 -22) Free t3 6.4 (ref range 4.0 - 6.8) Also on the point about salt...I have never understood why some brands of crisps cause problems as they have the same basic ingredients as seabrooks...I have checked some out and they have more salt than seabrooks (which also says sea salt)! JULIE GRIFFITHS wrote: > > I'll take a stab at this... > > >From the thyroid groups I have picked up that the low thyroid is > associated with high cholesterol. This tells me that thyroid must play > an important role in fat metabolism. Your child seems to have a problem > in metabolizing fat ( A is fat soluable). Most of these children seem to > have problems metabolizing fat. It's well established in most of our > kids that supplementing with Omegas seem to cause problems after a > while. Iused to think that adding in carnitine would help but i think > there is something more central to be considered. > > Adrenal glands use up magnesium when overburdened. If epilepsy is tied > to low magnesium, then maybe the the body's attempt to metabolize the > fat is upsetting the adrenal glands. Mag gets used up, the body starts > fitting.... > > This is just conjecture.. . > > > > P & L schrieb: > > > > , > > This fits us again ! stopped eye gouging when he started calcium > > supplements. > > > > Also ..I have no idea what relevance this has...when we recently did vit > > A protocol he had increased epilepsy. > > > > x > > > > JULIE GRIFFITHS wrote: > > > I have been concentrating on the thyroid/adrenal combo for several > > weeks > > > now and a penny dropped last night. > > > > > > I was with a friend last night whose 13 year old son has autism. > > > Practically every family member on his side has dyslexia interestingly > > > enough. He didn't give any details but he felt that IBS played an > > > important role in autism. In light of Nicola's emails last night I > > > looked up IBS and serotonin and sure enough there was a strong > > > connection. I had forgotten all about this. Eighty % of serotonin > is in > > > the gut according to Gershon 'The Second Brain'. > > > > > > Here's some info on the connection > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Irritable_ bowel_syndrome > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Irritable_ bowel_syndrome > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritable_bowel_syndrome>> > > > > > > And now then, I remembered that apparently the thyroid controls > > > serotonin AND calcium metabolism, to what extent I don't know . Three > > > very important components to the thyroid are: > > > > > > 1. Iodine, > > > > > > 2. Selenium and > > > > > > 3. Tyrosine. > > > > > > I am sure there is a problem in getting enough iodine here in the UK. > > > It's the only Western country which does NOT automatialy iodize salt. > > > the Food standards people told me that the main iodine sources in > > > british food were fish ( not every can eat fish regularly due to high > > > cost and personal tastes), iodine in milk due to prtactice of cleaning > > > teats with iodine so some of it is absorbed in milk. Using iodine is > > not > > > obligatory and local farmer tells me that using iodine is not always > > > paracticed in dairy milking. the other source is cattle feed which I > > > have not looked into yet. Now then, iodine content in the soil is very > > > low in Northern and Scotland. A common thyroid problem called > > Derbyshire > > > Neck was widespread in the last century but adding iodin ein the water > > > resolved this problem. Picture of poor afflicted soul here: > > > http://www.peakland heritage. org.uk/index. asp?peakkey= 10300521 > > <http://www.peakland heritage. org.uk/index. asp?peakkey= 10300521 > <http://www.peaklandheritage.org.uk/index.asp?peakkey=10300521>> (But then > > > the smart council people added in fluoride which would have negated > > this > > > effect presumably) > > > > > > So we know there are problems with iodine provision here in the UK > > > coupled with the low salt recommendations from government means > even if > > > you thought about iodized salt, you would have erred on the side of > > > caution anyway by low dosing on it when it probably should have been > > > more generous. > > > > > > A problem with iodine dficiency is that beta-carotene will not convert > > > to Vitamin A effectively (high Vitamin A =low measles) And what > happens > > > when you have the MMR in light of a problem converting > beta-carotene to > > > vitamin A I leave to your imagination! ! > > > > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Thyroid > > <http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Thyroid > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thyroid>> > > > http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez > > <http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ sites/entrez > <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez>> > > > > > > > > > > > > So in short I am wondering whether a thyroid problem is causing a > > > serotonin problem which is causing a gut problem It is well known that > > > an underative thyroid is associated with constipation, so slowing down > > > of gut..... > > > > > > Bathing in chlorine water will displace the important iodine. > > > > > > Sorry for the higgeldy piggeldy...just wanted to get my thoughts > > down so > > > we can have a dicsussion and maybe help little Luke and all the > > bowel kids. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > > > DISCLAIMER > > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical > > advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably > > qualified practitioner. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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