Re: how did you go grain-free?

[Guest guest]

Maybe this will help you. I have celiac disease and can't have certain

grains....but I avoid all grains. I know if I eat the grains they will damage my

body and make me sick to my stomach. But, since I have given up grains I have

not

been sick once in two years. There have been colds, strep, flu, etc. germs

flying around my house for weeks at a time and who do you think is the only one

that doesn't catch anything? Me!!! If someone told me tomorrow that my celiac

diagnosis was incorrect I would be thrilled to death....but I would never go

back to grains again. I am much healthier since grains (and dairy) are out of

my diet despite more stress in my life than most people ever have to deal with.

Wishing you all the best of health!

[Guest guest]

Well, that's a dumb question, but i'm thinking of going grain-free. I'm just

wondering if anyone has any ideas, tips, book suggestions to help me be

successful. I am mostly grain-free, but am known to make a sandwich when

it's convenient or eat a few crackers. My concern is my history of eating

disorders -- i'm scared saying no to grains will lead to a grain binge.

Anyone have a response to that? Also, do you ever cheat on your no-grain

diet? If so, what happens? I am still trying to overcome mild rosacea and

psoriasis and i'm worried that if i cheat a little every now and then that

the whole effort will be useless. (How come these diets never account for

cheating? Do people really not cheat ever?)

So buckwheat is not a grain, right? What about sorghum?

Elaine

[Guest guest]

hi, elaine:

well, we just really don't cheat ever. i really do believe that if you

cheat, all your work will be for naught, so we just don't allow ourselves

that option. think about a person who's deathly allergic to peanuts. they

don't ever cheat, ya know? now think of yourself as deathly allergic to grain.

here's how we do it:

1. purge the house of any grain at all. (our entire family is grain free).

don't even buy grains for your guests.

2. tell everyone you know that you're gluten-intolerant and you don't eat

grains. remind them often - then if you're tempted, they'll getcha if you

try to cheat.

3. be prepared/committed to waste money if you accidentally buy something

with gluten. that happened to us with some fish cakes recently - i didn't

know they had flour (duh). when we realized (fortunately, before

consuming), they were pig food! it's more important to be strict than to

not-waste, in this case.

4. we don't eat out. when we go to boston on my business trips, we take our

food with.

5. shop on a full stomach so you're not tempted by grains. and if somehow

you do buy some, when you come to your senses, see #3

if you have cravings, tell us! also, make lots of what you like to snack

on - for us it's the coconut oil candy and sally's coconut-cream pie

(without the sweetener). having those two things around as easy-snacks

makes it easy to forget that my regular snack used to be a thick slice of

toast with butter

-katja

At 01:03 PM 3/10/2004, you wrote:

>Well, that's a dumb question, but i'm thinking of going grain-free. I'm just

>wondering if anyone has any ideas, tips, book suggestions to help me be

>successful. I am mostly grain-free, but am known to make a sandwich when

>it's convenient or eat a few crackers. My concern is my history of eating

>disorders -- i'm scared saying no to grains will lead to a grain binge.

>Anyone have a response to that? Also, do you ever cheat on your no-grain

>diet? If so, what happens? I am still trying to overcome mild rosacea and

>psoriasis and i'm worried that if i cheat a little every now and then that

>the whole effort will be useless. (How come these diets never account for

>cheating? Do people really not cheat ever?)

>

>So buckwheat is not a grain, right? What about sorghum?

>Elaine

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Katja, this is great, wee! I am not grain free (yet) but I think it's a

great idea and I would like to see how my son does without any grains. I

think that I shall give it a whirl on my whole clan. How long have you been

grain free? Is buckwheat a grain? Wild rice is a grass, do you eat that?

Do you grind nuts into flour? No corn or beer? Could you list some of the

generally acceptable items that might not be so obvious (I'll go look at

Mercola too).

Thanks pal!

Deanna

here's how we do it:

1. purge the house of any grain at all. (our entire family is grain free).

don't even buy grains for your guests.

2. tell everyone you know that you're gluten-intolerant and you don't eat

grains. remind them often - then if you're tempted, they'll getcha if you

try to cheat.

3. be prepared/committed to waste money if you accidentally buy something

with gluten. that happened to us with some fish cakes recently - i didn't

know they had flour (duh). when we realized (fortunately, before

consuming), they were pig food! it's more important to be strict than to

not-waste, in this case.

4. we don't eat out. when we go to boston on my business trips, we take our

food with.

5. shop on a full stomach so you're not tempted by grains. and if somehow

you do buy some, when you come to your senses, see #3

if you have cravings, tell us! also, make lots of what you like to snack

on - for us it's the coconut oil candy and sally's coconut-cream pie

(without the sweetener). having those two things around as easy-snacks

makes it easy to forget that my regular snack used to be a thick slice of

toast with butter

-katja

At 01:03 PM 3/10/2004, you wrote:

>Well, that's a dumb question, but i'm thinking of going grain-free. I'm

just

>wondering if anyone has any ideas, tips, book suggestions to help me be

>successful. I am mostly grain-free, but am known to make a sandwich when

>it's convenient or eat a few crackers. My concern is my history of eating

>disorders -- i'm scared saying no to grains will lead to a grain binge.

>Anyone have a response to that? Also, do you ever cheat on your no-grain

>diet? If so, what happens? I am still trying to overcome mild rosacea and

>psoriasis and i'm worried that if i cheat a little every now and then that

>the whole effort will be useless. (How come these diets never account for

>cheating? Do people really not cheat ever?)

>

>So buckwheat is not a grain, right? What about sorghum?

>Elaine

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 02:05 PM 3/10/2004, you wrote:

>Katja, this is great, wee! I am not grain free (yet) but I think it's a

>great idea and I would like to see how my son does without any grains. I

>think that I shall give it a whirl on my whole clan. How long have you been

>grain free? Is buckwheat a grain? Wild rice is a grass, do you eat that?

>Do you grind nuts into flour? No corn or beer? Could you list some of the

>generally acceptable items that might not be so obvious (I'll go look at

>Mercola too).

>

>Thanks pal!

>

>Deanna

heee!

it's been...i dunno, a few months? it's hard to tell; it feels so natural now!

as per heidi, buckwheat is tolerated by some. we don't try it though...we

don't eat any rice with one brand new exception of rice wrappers for spring

rolls, which we use sparingly. (rice flour, tapioca flour, and water.) we

don't eat any corn or beer. we do grind nuts into flour, we do use

arrowroot occasionally for macaroons and gravies...

the hard things for us to give up were: beer for nix, pancakes and waffles

for me, and butter bread. for about a week before going grain free, i

weaned myself from bread with thinner and thinner slices, but everything

else was cold turkey.

when i have more time and amber is older, i will probably try to make

sorghum brownies ala the Glutenator, but for now, that " candy " recipe i

sent out, along with macaroons and coconut cream pie totally fills the gaps

in my desire for pancakes, waffles, and cookies. if you need a beer

replacement, try cider (read the label or make your own) or mead (read the

label again, or make your own). if you miss pancakes, try potato pancakes!

fun *and* ethnic we don't eat any processed foods, which made pasta a

non-issue, but on celiac.com there are some pastas if you need them...i've

got a great lasagne dish that i use seaweed in for the noodles...

one particularly helpful thing is that i have nix's support - i had to

explain it clearly, but then he was all for it. a friend wants to try it

but her kids whine about it - that's tough, but i wouldn't let that stop

me. i'd explain it over and over to the kids, and also make sure there's

plenty of good food otherwise. but i'd be really firm. (easy to say,

amber's too young to complain!) to me, it's not any different then, say,

moving for a job. the kids might not want to move and leave their friends,

but if you're moving, you're moving. they will have to adjust. if it were

the peanut allergy, again, you wouldn't negotiate there...it could kill

them! well, so could grains

how's that?

-katja, typing and nursing...

[Guest guest]

>Well, that's a dumb question, but i'm thinking of going grain-free. I'm just

>wondering if anyone has any ideas, tips, book suggestions to help me be

>successful. I am mostly grain-free, but am known to make a sandwich when

>it's convenient or eat a few crackers. My concern is my history of eating

>disorders -- i'm scared saying no to grains will lead to a grain binge.

>Anyone have a response to that? Also, do you ever cheat on your no-grain

>diet? If so, what happens? I am still trying to overcome mild rosacea and

>psoriasis and i'm worried that if i cheat a little every now and then that

>the whole effort will be useless. (How come these diets never account for

>cheating? Do people really not cheat ever?)

>

>So buckwheat is not a grain, right? What about sorghum?

>Elaine

I tend to agree ... it isn't good to " give something up " -- it just creates

cravings. I think of my diet as " replacing " . Over the years we DO eat

less and less of any grains, but mainly I just replaced the WBR grains

(Wheat/Barley/Rye).

As far as rocacea and psoriasis, those are the main allergenic ones, though corn

is a problem for some people (and soy, but I assume you don't use that).

At most health food stores there are loads of gluten-free products

now. Our one staple is Tinkyada pasta (the only really good one I've tried).

They also have GF bread, crackers, waffles etc. A lot of grocery stores

are now carrying GF stuff too.

There are mixes for breads etc., or you can buy sorghum or other flours and

make your own. There are a lot of gluten-free cookbooks, which I don't

use much -- most food doesn't need flour anyway. I have like 3 staple

recipes for piecrust, brownies, and bread, and the rest I use the Joy

of Cooking (cookies etc) using sorghum flour plus 1 tsp. xanthan

gum per 2 cups flour.

Anyway, if you figure out your FAVORITE things and learn how to

replace them, then you will likely feel happier. The one thing I have

not found a replacement for though, is BEER. A GF beer is coming out though.

As for me, no, I don't cheat. Once I started not eating WBR grains, I discovered

I get really sick if I do eat them (mind you, I never had gotten that sick

before!). Think food poisoning ... it really isn't tempting at all ...

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

>> How come these diets never account for

cheating? Do people really not cheat ever?) <<

I have been on Atkins for 10 months now and I've never " cheated, " and don't

intend to. I was a vegetarian for 12 years and I never " cheated " on that either.

I have a theory about this subject, but it's just my own personal theory. I

don't have any research or anything to back it up. *G*

Some " diets, " basically low fat and restricted calorie diets like Weight

Watchers, are more amenable to " cheating " than " diets " such as Atkins or

gluten-free, because those second type of diets are therapeutic diets. They

function by altering your metabolism or appetite or other physical state and

condition in some way, not just by making you lose weight by reducing how much

you eat.

If you " cheat " on Weight Watchers, it may have psychological ramifications, but

it's not really going to have biochemical ones. If you " cheat " on Atkins, you

are going to put yourself out of the lipolytic state and re-introduce all the

deranged metabolic effects such as cravings, overeating, out of control

appetite, blood sugar swings, etc that the diet is intended to put into

remission. I am not, as far as I know, gluten intolerant (although in fact I

don't eat gluten anymore), but from what others have said, it appears to work in

a similar way - that consuming even a tiny bit of gluten can create all kinds of

physical problems that go far beyond a few minutes of " cheating " on your diet.

If this is true, then it's no more reasonable to expect a therapeutic diet to be

" designed " to allow for cheating than it is to expect the law of gravity to stop

working because we don't want to hit the ground when we fall.

Christie

[Guest guest]

it's hard not to cheat, and i sorta " cheated " when there's a special

occasion, and it's gotta be really really special, so leave those

grains stuff to the special occasions. and if you made the foods

that are very good for you taste very good and satisfy you too, in

the end you'd wonder why you'd want something like grains or bread.

and eventually on those special occasions only the tasty and good

for you foods are going to make you feel very special. until then

there wouldn't be as much struggle.

bonny

>

> >Well, that's a dumb question, but i'm thinking of going grain-

free. I'm just

> >wondering if anyone has any ideas, tips, book suggestions to help

me be

> >successful. I am mostly grain-free, but am known to make a

sandwich when

> >it's convenient or eat a few crackers. My concern is my history

of eating

> >disorders -- i'm scared saying no to grains will lead to a grain

binge.

> >Anyone have a response to that? Also, do you ever cheat on your

no-grain

> >diet? If so, what happens? I am still trying to overcome mild

rosacea and

> >psoriasis and i'm worried that if i cheat a little every now and

then that

> >the whole effort will be useless. (How come these diets never

account for

> >cheating? Do people really not cheat ever?)

> >

> >So buckwheat is not a grain, right? What about sorghum?

> >Elaine

[Guest guest]

>Some " diets, " basically low fat and restricted calorie diets like Weight

Watchers, are more amenable to " cheating " than " diets " such as Atkins or

gluten-free, because those second type of diets are therapeutic diets. They

function by altering your metabolism or appetite or other physical state and

condition in some way, not just by making you lose weight by reducing how much

you eat.

The other difference is that on the second type of diet, you

aren't starving all the time! Low cal diets leave in a state

of hunger, always, so of *course* you want to cheat. But for

me, in the evening I " allow " myself anything I want (even gluten stuff,

though that is about as appealing as drinking toilet water). But

after eating a big ol' steak and a nice bit of greens or some

other vegies, who wants ANYTHING? The only thing I want

after a big meal is a glass of wine or some kimchi. I never felt

really satisfied on any other diet.

I often make cobblers or some such for the family, and

I always tell myself I deserve some for dessert. But when

dessert time comes, it just doesn't look appetizing any more.

I'm finally reading " The Paleo Diet " -- I thought I HAD read it,

but it turns out that was " Neanderthin " which isn't near as well

researched. I'm not sure I'm ready to give up ALL starches though,

nor could I convince my family (they are all skinny again by just

giving up the gluten stuff, and they love their ice cream, though I'm

starting to make the ice cream with kefiili now).

For some people going " cold turkey " works ... for me it was more

gradual, and I'm still " tweaking " .

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

On the WD I have the same thing

Im at the end of my big meal and I just couldn't be stuffed eating anything.

And if I see some cooking show on or flatmate making his dinner I am SO NOT

interested in it lol

_____

From: Heidi Schuppenhauer [mailto:heidis@...]

Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2004 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: how did you go grain-free?

>Some " diets, " basically low fat and restricted calorie diets like Weight

Watchers, are more amenable to " cheating " than " diets " such as Atkins or

gluten-free, because those second type of diets are therapeutic diets. They

function by altering your metabolism or appetite or other physical state and

condition in some way, not just by making you lose weight by reducing how

much you eat.

The other difference is that on the second type of diet, you

aren't starving all the time! Low cal diets leave in a state

of hunger, always, so of *course* you want to cheat. But for

me, in the evening I " allow " myself anything I want (even gluten stuff,

though that is about as appealing as drinking toilet water). But

after eating a big ol' steak and a nice bit of greens or some

other vegies, who wants ANYTHING? The only thing I want

after a big meal is a glass of wine or some kimchi. I never felt

really satisfied on any other diet.

I often make cobblers or some such for the family, and

I always tell myself I deserve some for dessert. But when

dessert time comes, it just doesn't look appetizing any more.

I'm finally reading " The Paleo Diet " -- I thought I HAD read it,

but it turns out that was " Neanderthin " which isn't near as well

researched. I'm not sure I'm ready to give up ALL starches though,

nor could I convince my family (they are all skinny again by just

giving up the gluten stuff, and they love their ice cream, though I'm

starting to make the ice cream with kefiili now).

For some people going " cold turkey " works ... for me it was more

gradual, and I'm still " tweaking " .

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

I'm curious-------Do millet, quinoa and amaranth have a bad effect on you as

well as

the gluten grain?. I am also gluten intolerant, although not celiac, but I find

that

some of the gluten free grains (seeds, actually, I've been told) don't make me

feel

bad, but they do seem to be fairly addictive.

Thanks,

Dawn

> I have celiac disease and can't have certain

> grains....but I avoid all grains. I know if I eat the grains they will damage

my

> body and make me sick to my stomach.

>

[Guest guest]

Are there tests to diagnose gluten allergies/intolerances/celiac desease? Is

it possible a gluten-free diet would affect blood or other lab tests after

3, 6 or 12 months?

I'm thinking of getting before and after lab tests done, partly for

motivation but largely for scientific curiosity. But i'm wondering what kind

of lab tests would reflect changes caused by a gluten-free diet.

Elaine

[Guest guest]

>Are there tests to diagnose gluten allergies/intolerances/celiac desease? Is

>it possible a gluten-free diet would affect blood or other lab tests after

>3, 6 or 12 months?

That's the big question. Dr. Fine says his will, because no one really avoids

gluten entirely.

But I question that.

>I'm thinking of getting before and after lab tests done, partly for

>motivation but largely for scientific curiosity. But i'm wondering what kind

>of lab tests would reflect changes caused by a gluten-free diet.

If you tested for, say an IgA level of 40 before going GF, and it went down to

20, then

you know the diet is working. But if you go GF and then get tested and have

a level of 20, it doesn't prove anything. Also, some people have an overall

low IgA level which makes things more difficult.

95% of the folks with gluten intolerance have one of two genes though ...

testing

for those genes is a pretty good indicator of if you are at risk for the worst

kinds of reactions to gluten. Grains may be bad for people in general, but it

is one kind of immune reaction that causes the really deadly problems.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

One more question Heidi, and i apologize because i'm sure you've answered it

before -- do you soak sorghum? I will get tested for the levels you

mentioned before being gf too long.

elaine

[Guest guest]

>One more question Heidi, and i apologize because i'm sure you've answered it

>before -- do you soak sorghum? I will get tested for the levels you

>mentioned before being gf too long.

>elaine

I wasn't soaking it, and my DH didn't digest it well, so I started soaking it

and it

digests much better for him (Either way seems fine to me).

It makes a good sourdough if mixed with kefir, and the flavor

of a day of sourdough-ing is rather nice! After it soaks I add some

potato flour, or cornstarch (either of which is pure starch and

has no digestive issues other than carbs) to make it thicker, if needed, mixed

with some xanthan gum, salt, whatever else the recipe needs.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

do you use equal proportions of sorghum and kefir? i'm assuming you're not

actually using a starter.

elaine

> I wasn't soaking it, and my DH didn't digest it well, so I started soaking it

> and it

> digests much better for him (Either way seems fine to me).

> It makes a good sourdough if mixed with kefir, and the flavor

> of a day of sourdough-ing is rather nice! After it soaks I add some

> potato flour, or cornstarch (either of which is pure starch and

> has no digestive issues other than carbs) to make it thicker, if needed, mixed

> with some xanthan gum, salt, whatever else the recipe needs.

[Guest guest]

>do you use equal proportions of sorghum and kefir? i'm assuming you're not

>actually using a starter.

>elaine

Right. 2 cups kefir (kefiili in my case) and 2 cups sorghum. I let it sit a day

or two.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

> Right. 2 cups kefir (kefiili in my case) and 2 cups sorghum. I let

it sit a day

> or two.

Ack! I shouldn't skip messages ever! What is it you are making here

with the kefir soaked sorghum?

[Guest guest]

We've just recently gone gluten free. I was curious after all of Heidi's

info given on here and purchased Dangerous Grains. As my father and his two

sisters died of cancer, and my mother currently has an incurable cancer, I

headed straight for the chapter on cancer. What an eye opener!

But before the book arrived I was searching around on the net for how-to

stuff on substituting for gluten grains, and ran across a note on someone's

website about a possible connection between gluten and ADD (or ADHD). It

caught my eye because my son has been very temperamental, throwing fits,

losing control, and all over the tiniest of things. I suspected we were

going to see a big change as when I was pregnant with my last child we

temporarily went on SCD and noticed a change in my son then. So I kept

notes. The day before Dangerous Grains arrived my son had 36 meltdowns.

Thirty six all out, losing his temper or crying, way over the top,

reactions. That was a pretty typical day. It might have been a GF free

day, as we had no bread products that day or the day before, but I don't

know for sure.

The day the book arrived our breakfast was fruit and we picked up the book

on our way into town to buy groceries. I read the cancer section of the

book out loud as we drove to town. With that knowledge we were even more

motivated and didn't buy a single gluten containing product. My son had no

gluten that day and 12 incidents. (That was day 1 of our consciously being

GF.) The following day he had 8, but not as long lasting or extreme. The

next two days I didn't record, but on our 5th day GF, my son had only 3

incidents, and they were the type you would expect, such as when his sisters

for the third time had knocked over his work and he yelled at them to stop.

And it was just that and was over. It didn't result in his being brought to

tears or having a temper tantrum, and he didn't storm away refusing to play

with them anymore. This is now normal behaviour for him.

Today is day 9. It's still going as great even though the kids haven't been

completely GF. (A cookie at the store when I wasn't thinking, that kind of

thing.) I've noticed that the absolute language ( " This *always* happens! "

or " I *never* get to! " ) went away with the loss of control. He's a much

happier person. (He used to tell me he didn't like being the way he was,

and wished he were more like his sister.)

As he was my bread lover, carb craver, and fit thrower, I chose to not tell

him we were making a change in diet. I just did it. When he asked for

bread (only on the first 2 days) I told him we didn't have any. I thought

he'd be wanting bread longer than that, but he sure hasn't mentioned it. I

am going to explain what we are doing and why, as I want them prepared

before the first time we are at a friend's house where the bread and butter

is offered with soup and the cookies for dessert. I'm looking into how to

cook some familiar things without the big three grains too.

Sorry that was so long! I thought it might be motivating for someone

considering the change. Dangerous Grains is motivating too. At the risk of

not being believed if I continue going on and on, : ) I have to say my son

has been much more proactive. His job is to fill the wood box in the house,

and he has been doing it voluntarily, and not at the last minute! I feel

that by changing his diet I've give him room to breathe. It's really been

amazing.

Rhea

[Guest guest]

Katja, can I have your recipes for macaroons and coconut cream pie?

Rhea

[Guest guest]

At 02:40 PM 3/12/2004, you wrote:

>Sorry that was so long! I thought it might be motivating for someone

>considering the change. Dangerous Grains is motivating too. At the risk of

>not being believed if I continue going on and on, : ) I have to say my son

>has been much more proactive. His job is to fill the wood box in the house,

>and he has been doing it voluntarily, and not at the last minute! I feel

>that by changing his diet I've give him room to breathe. It's really been

>amazing.

>

>Rhea

hi rhea!

what a nifty thing! we had exactly the same reaction (but different) in our

house. my husband is ADD, and of course he doesn't throw tantrums -

actually he'd learned to deal with it fairly effectively, as these things

go. but after going grain free, it's just *gone*! we don't fight any more,

he remembers stuff, and i feel like i'm not the only brain in the house

anymore! (which i mean in the most loving way possible, but if you don't

love an ADD person, you might not understand)

i'm soooooo grateful for heidi spurring all this research on!

-katja

[Guest guest]

>Ack! I shouldn't skip messages ever! What is it you are making here

>with the kefir soaked sorghum?

Bread or crackers.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

I haven't been here for awhile but I just had to chime in because

Heidi also helped me to get gluten free and now my household! Me, for

about 8 months now and doing pretty good!. I at first, went straight

to making gluten free cookies, pancakes etc but I am finding out more

and more that I cannot even eat those without it bloating me! But I

didn't chime in to say that but to say I just got the Dangerous Grains

book and was shocked to read 16 pages, printed in list form of

Gluten-Associated Medical Conditions. They are numbered from 1-187.

Some of those have sub-titles. For instance, skin conditions has 7

different skin conditions listed! Check it out!

Del

> >Sorry that was so long! I thought it might be motivating for someone

> >considering the change. Dangerous Grains is motivating too. At

the risk of

> >not being believed if I continue going on and on, : ) I have to say

my son

> >has been much more proactive. His job is to fill the wood box in

the house,

> >and he has been doing it voluntarily, and not at the last minute!

I feel

> >that by changing his diet I've give him room to breathe. It's

really been

> >amazing.

> >

> >Rhea

>

>

> hi rhea!

> what a nifty thing! we had exactly the same reaction (but different)

in our

> house. my husband is ADD, and of course he doesn't throw tantrums -

> actually he'd learned to deal with it fairly effectively, as these

things

> go. but after going grain free, it's just *gone*! we don't fight any

more,

> he remembers stuff, and i feel like i'm not the only brain in the house

> anymore! (which i mean in the most loving way possible, but if you

don't

> love an ADD person, you might not understand)

>

> i'm soooooo grateful for heidi spurring all this research on!

>

> -katja

[Guest guest]

>Sorry that was so long! I thought it might be motivating for someone

>considering the change. Dangerous Grains is motivating too. At the risk of

>not being believed if I continue going on and on, : ) I have to say my son

>has been much more proactive. His job is to fill the wood box in the house,

>and he has been doing it voluntarily, and not at the last minute! I feel

>that by changing his diet I've give him room to breathe. It's really been

>amazing.

>

>Rhea

Wow! At this rate we'll soon have a " Glutenator Army " ! ;--)

Dangerous Grains is a scary book ... it sort of left me in shock. Up to

that point I figured " I " had a problem, then I started figuring no,

our world has a BIG problem, it's not just me! I've heard a lot of

stories about the anger management problem ... most of the families

who go GF notice their kids become happier, and in some cases, the

kids were major behavioral issues prior. My daughter has major fits

if she gets any, to the point the babysitter REALLY supported me

in getting it out of the house and checking labels. And like Katja,

me and the DH stopped having major fights and got soooo logical

suddenly.

What bugs me about this is .... what effect is this having on the COUNTRY

as a whole? I mean, how would history be different if all those kings

had been thinking straight and all those guys weren't having anger fits

they took out on their wives and neighbors? The folks who are

currently in control have signs of gluten problems (Cheney's bypasses,

Ashcrofts gall bladder problems, Bush's passing out and alcohol issues).

I'm pretty sure (and so are some other folks) that gluten is psychoactive.

Someday there will be a major cutback in wheat consumption, and I'm

wondering what that will do the the problems of crime and violence etc.

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

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>

>What bugs me about this is .... what effect is this having on the COUNTRY

>as a whole? I mean, how would history be different if all those kings

>had been thinking straight and all those guys weren't having anger fits

>they took out on their wives and neighbors? The folks who are

>currently in control have signs of gluten problems (Cheney's bypasses,

>Ashcrofts gall bladder problems, Bush's passing out and alcohol issues).

>I'm pretty sure (and so are some other folks) that gluten is psychoactive.

>Someday there will be a major cutback in wheat consumption, and I'm

>wondering what that will do the the problems of crime and violence etc.

hey, heidi -

i've been thinking this too. not only that, but the people in office are

also required to have all the newest vaccines, etc -- just more fuel for

the aieee fire.

oh. ya know? this could get really long real quick. i better stop now.

-katja