Re: Global RIFE treatment/scan database

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken,

I really like this idea, too. I have Frex12 right now (and thank

you). With this new and improved database and co-user feedback everything would

be a lot nicer. If you can encode dat files in the new format so it could be

read by the current Frex (unless the current frequencies are hard coded and

compiled into Frex, I did not look) that would be nice, too. Overall, certainly

a great idea I look forward to. Also, which I am sure varies sound card to sound

card, the very low Hz (sub ~30 Hz) frequencies are lower in amplitude, maybe

I'll work up a simple pre-emphasis circuit one can jack in between the PC card

and the driver amp to flatten out the output curve else a simple limiter circuit

that will behave with the square wave and keep it square. Would post the print

when ready if there is any interest. I think a regular EQ would round out the

wave form, not desired and I think tape recording/playback amps also round off

the square waves, not good.

Regards,

Mike

Global RIFE treatment/scan database

Hi Dave and Rifers,

Further to my thoughts are to create a separate program to frex that can do

this work for us so researchers not using or in need of the other functions

of Frex can access. This can be built in a modular way so as to allow us to

test and debug the operation of this project. When it becomes stable I can

just insert the module directly into Frex so they will work together and

there will be the stand alone version people can use.

Basically, this program will just ensure the reporting format so we are all

speaking the same language and have access to all technical details that are

required when evaluating session frequencies and equipment used on disorders

presented to researchers.

This program/project could be called GRID (Global Rife Internet Database)

... I am open to suggestions for better names :-)

The really good plus here is that people can download database updates at

any time and have immediate access to the lastest frequencies found, results

of programs run on other people and results of scan programs run on people.

This will save having to look back through the numerous forums for what

people reported.

I am sure there are many of us that would participate if our ID's are only

numbers and can't be linked to an individual unless that indivial so chooses

to share their name. This will eliminate the worry of the FDA or other

bodies who would seek to upset this research in being able to link any

report to any person. While Rife work is legal in Australia, I understand

the pressure some researchers may be exposed to in countries where raids or

license suspension is an issue to be considered should their name in anyway

exist on a public database.

Reagrds,

Ken

http://www.heal-me.com.au

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your feedback. The Grid database should be a separate program to

Frex. Although I would install Grid into Frex for ease of use for Freqgen

and Frex users when Grid is finished and has become stable.

Grid could grow into an awesome utility/database system serving all the Rife

community and not be link to a product. This is more a community project,

not mine. I'll just put the infrastructure together and get the ball

rolling, after that it will take on a momentum that I nor anyone else could

control. The total operation of Grid would be automatic and not require

human intervention for it to work except for researchers to upload their

session and download updates. This is basically all it does appart from

managing a database of Rife sessions, scans and new frequency pills.

I don't know how this idea fits into the methods of Rife researchers, but if

people like the idea and feel it will contribute, which I believe it would

and as Dave has thought it might work then it sure is worth looking at.

The more Rife sessions get uploaded to Grid the more data it has to work it

searchers and reports and the more meaningful it would become to

researchers.

Regards

Ken

Global RIFE treatment/scan database

>

>

> Hi Dave and Rifers,

>

> Further to my thoughts are to create a separate program to frex that can

do

> this work for us so researchers not using or in need of the other

functions

> of Frex can access. This can be built in a modular way so as to allow us

to

> test and debug the operation of this project. When it becomes stable I

can

> just insert the module directly into Frex so they will work together and

> there will be the stand alone version people can use.

>

> Basically, this program will just ensure the reporting format so we are

all

> speaking the same language and have access to all technical details that

are

> required when evaluating session frequencies and equipment used on

disorders

> presented to researchers.

>

> This program/project could be called GRID (Global Rife Internet

Database)

> ... I am open to suggestions for better names :-)

>

> The really good plus here is that people can download database updates

at

> any time and have immediate access to the lastest frequencies found,

results

> of programs run on other people and results of scan programs run on

people.

> This will save having to look back through the numerous forums for what

> people reported.

>

> I am sure there are many of us that would participate if our ID's are

only

> numbers and can't be linked to an individual unless that indivial so

chooses

> to share their name. This will eliminate the worry of the FDA or other

> bodies who would seek to upset this research in being able to link any

> report to any person. While Rife work is legal in Australia, I

understand

> the pressure some researchers may be exposed to in countries where raids

or

> license suspension is an issue to be considered should their name in

anyway

> exist on a public database.

>

> Reagrds,

>

> Ken

> http://www.heal-me.com.au

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken

It looks very inspiring to me the fex you are develloping.

Cuz I am new to the site I have missed some of the basics about it.

What does this computer app colaborate with ?

does it need hardware ? How do you get the vibes into the body and

back into the pc ?

I just hope it is not one of those hi bucks way out of my scope

divices,like fscan and rife machines, Qxcl.

Maybe a frequency generator and oscilloscope from a technical shop?

I was just starting a setup like that and figure things out my

self , now it seems you've been doing a whole chuk of work, keep

going. But please don't loose the newbe's like me in the momentum.

Wanderingfox

[Guest guest]

Hello Wanderingfox,

Check http://www.heal-me.com.au/frex for what Frex is and does.

Light or electrode transmitters are required to get the frequency delivered

into the body where it resonates with microbes, which in turn heats them up

until they expire.

As you may know, Rife technology is selective pathogen removal. There is no

mass destruction of body microbes, we just aim to get the bad guys and leave

the good guys alone. Once the negative pathogen population has been reduced

a little, the autoimmune system is given an opportunity to restore a

balanced control of the bodies microbe populations, and thus we heal from

disease.

There are numerous plasma light frequency tranmitters and of course, good

electrode systems available. Positive results have been experienced by both.

It is said plasma light will saturate the whole body while electrodes will

deliver their frequency only to certain parts i.e. (blood and lymph). So

long as the targetted pathogens are reduced in population size, the body

should experience a positive return to health as the autoimmune system

recovers control of the situation.

Regards

Ken Uzzell

Re: Global RIFE treatment/scan database

> Hi Ken

>

> It looks very inspiring to me the fex you are develloping.

> Cuz I am new to the site I have missed some of the basics about it.

> What does this computer app colaborate with ?

> does it need hardware ? How do you get the vibes into the body and

> back into the pc ?

> I just hope it is not one of those hi bucks way out of my scope

> divices,like fscan and rife machines, Qxcl.

> Maybe a frequency generator and oscilloscope from a technical shop?

> I was just starting a setup like that and figure things out my

> self , now it seems you've been doing a whole chuk of work, keep

> going. But please don't loose the newbe's like me in the momentum.

>

> Wanderingfox

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony,

Yep, I could well imagine the FDA has people on all these forums too. An no

doubt they would have access to Yahoo's group membership so they can track

all members of all lists.

That is why a system like grid would have to offer the member total

anomimity. No names or email address used unless the member so wishes to

disclose themselves.

Otherwise you would need a registration system where everyone was ID and

members screened.

Grid may be a good idea, but in practicality, it just may not work. I don't

know.

Regards

Ken

----- Original Message -----

> It could also create a resource for FDA actions or other illegal acts

> against the Rife community. The creation of a Charitable Research Group

> under Canadian or other international law could offer some protection

> against the worst violations of the groups members civil rights...

>

> Peace

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony, Ken and everyone interested!

The idea of a central charitable research organisation has some

merit, despite the problems of research becoming

more 'institutionalized' and subject to more control. I guess, like

all institutions it will only be as good as its members and those

managing the community allow it to be, which at this time looks to

have some great people at the helm!

I guess one can't be dismissive of the political challenges, but I'd

like to think that the Rife community at large would benefit greatly

in being able to consolidate our research - which should generally be

an initial focus, as well as education in general. No doubt there are

risks involved but I think it would be better if we were prepared

to 'stand up and be counted' as a group vs. as individuals. A

tactical move, to avoid confrontation with FDA or any

other 'predujiced' regulatory agency might be to formally incorporate

such a non-profit, charitable research organisation anywhere outside

of their immediate control. A website can be hosted almost anywhere

in the world after all and it isn't so difficult to create a

charitable organization or manage its affairs if we keep to something

modest.

In so far as a global RIFE treatment/scan database, I think this

might be a great place for our endeavours initially. If this could be

developed/hosted in a 'Rife-friendly' part of the globe (Australia,

New Zealand, Canada, UK maybe?) then provided there is support from

the general Rife community, then we could do it.

From a technical design perspective however, we need to consider a

number of issues, that I've already hinted at:

- application architecture;

- data model and database design;

It's a fundamental in the software development world that the better

the initial analysis and design is done, the better will be the

eventual application and its acceptance by the user community. The

early phases should be taken very seriously and every effort taken to

ensure that requirements are gathered and managed appropriately.

One of the first tasks is to be able to generate a vocabulary of the

terms and definitions that will be referred to and agreed by all who

contribute. This isn't a trivial task and is very meaningful. Common

terms like Frequency (and its synonyms) must be defined clearly and

unambiguously. We can then use our common dictionary to help develop

specifications and our data model. I know this looks a little

painfully simplistic to most of you, but if we plan for success, then

more people and ideas will want to come on board and life becomes

more complex if only because of the volume of information that

becomes accessible and therefore open to misinterpretation. Education

becomes an imperative and should be considered as equally important,

I believe, as is support of research initiatives.

Anyway, I've taken up too much of everyone's valuable time already.

Regards to you all,

> It could also create a resource for FDA actions or other illegal

acts

> against the Rife community. The creation of a Charitable Research

Group

> under Canadian or other international law could offer some

protection

> against the worst violations of the groups members civil rights...

>

> Peace

>

> Re: Global RIFE treatment/scan database

>

>

> > Hi Mike,

> >

> > Thanks for your feedback. The Grid database should be a separate

program

> to

> > Frex. Although I would install Grid into Frex for ease of use for

Freqgen

> > and Frex users when Grid is finished and has become stable.

> >

> > Grid could grow into an awesome utility/database system serving

all the

> Rife

> > community and not be link to a product. This is more a community

project,

> > not mine. I'll just put the infrastructure together and get the

ball

> > rolling, after that it will take on a momentum that I nor anyone

else

> could

> > control. The total operation of Grid would be automatic and not

require

> > human intervention for it to work except for researchers to

upload their

> > session and download updates. This is basically all it does

appart from

> > managing a database of Rife sessions, scans and new frequency

pills.

> >

> > I don't know how this idea fits into the methods of Rife

researchers, but

> if

> > people like the idea and feel it will contribute, which I believe

it would

> > and as Dave has thought it might work then it sure is worth

looking at.

> >

> > The more Rife sessions get uploaded to Grid the more data it has

to work

> it

> > searchers and reports and the more meaningful it would become to

> > researchers.

> >

> > Regards

> > Ken

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony, Ken and everyone interested!

The idea of a central charitable research organisation has some

merit, despite the problems of research becoming

more 'institutionalized' and subject to more control. I guess, like

all institutions it will only be as good as its members and those

managing the community allow it to be, which at this time looks to

have some great people at the helm!

I guess one can't be dismissive of the political challenges, but I'd

like to think that the Rife community at large would benefit greatly

in being able to consolidate our research - which should generally be

an initial focus, as well as education in general. No doubt there are

risks involved but I think it would be better if we were prepared

to 'stand up and be counted' as a group vs. as individuals. A

tactical move, to avoid confrontation with FDA or any

other 'predujiced' regulatory agency might be to formally incorporate

such a non-profit, charitable research organisation anywhere outside

of their immediate control. A website can be hosted almost anywhere

in the world after all and it isn't so difficult to create a

charitable organization or manage its affairs if we keep to something

modest.

In so far as a global RIFE treatment/scan database, I think this

might be a great place for our endeavours initially. If this could be

developed/hosted in a 'Rife-friendly' part of the globe (Australia,

New Zealand, Canada, UK maybe?) then provided there is support from

the general Rife community, then we could do it.

From a technical design perspective however, we need to consider a

number of issues, that I've already hinted at:

- application architecture;

- data model and database design;

It's a fundamental in the software development world that the better

the initial analysis and design is done, the better will be the

eventual application and its acceptance by the user community. The

early phases should be taken very seriously and every effort taken to

ensure that requirements are gathered and managed appropriately.

One of the first tasks is to be able to generate a vocabulary of the

terms and definitions that will be referred to and agreed by all who

contribute. This isn't a trivial task and is very meaningful. Common

terms like Frequency (and its synonyms) must be defined clearly and

unambiguously. We can then use our common dictionary to help develop

specifications and our data model. I know this looks a little

painfully simplistic to most of you, but if we plan for success, then

more people and ideas will want to come on board and life becomes

more complex if only because of the volume of information that

becomes accessible and therefore open to misinterpretation. Education

becomes an imperative and should be considered as equally important,

I believe, as is support of research initiatives.

Anyway, I've taken up too much of everyone's valuable time already.

Regards to you all,

> It could also create a resource for FDA actions or other illegal

acts

> against the Rife community. The creation of a Charitable Research

Group

> under Canadian or other international law could offer some

protection

> against the worst violations of the groups members civil rights...

>

> Peace

>

> Re: Global RIFE treatment/scan database

>

>

> > Hi Mike,

> >

> > Thanks for your feedback. The Grid database should be a separate

program

> to

> > Frex. Although I would install Grid into Frex for ease of use for

Freqgen

> > and Frex users when Grid is finished and has become stable.

> >

> > Grid could grow into an awesome utility/database system serving

all the

> Rife

> > community and not be link to a product. This is more a community

project,

> > not mine. I'll just put the infrastructure together and get the

ball

> > rolling, after that it will take on a momentum that I nor anyone

else

> could

> > control. The total operation of Grid would be automatic and not

require

> > human intervention for it to work except for researchers to

upload their

> > session and download updates. This is basically all it does

appart from

> > managing a database of Rife sessions, scans and new frequency

pills.

> >

> > I don't know how this idea fits into the methods of Rife

researchers, but

> if

> > people like the idea and feel it will contribute, which I believe

it would

> > and as Dave has thought it might work then it sure is worth

looking at.

> >

> > The more Rife sessions get uploaded to Grid the more data it has

to work

> it

> > searchers and reports and the more meaningful it would become to

> > researchers.

> >

> > Regards

> > Ken

[Guest guest]

Hi,

The Rife Forum may be a suitable place for such a system.

It is located on a secure server in Germany and run by me. I have been

screening members of the forum from the very start. Members Email addresses

are not visible on the forum and communication is possible via username. The

membership list is only visible to accepted members.

http://www.rifeforum.com

And for those who want to use a secure SSL connection

http://www.rifeforum.de

As the server is in a free country and is well known to the Rife community,

it could be a good location.

Regards

Re: Global RIFE treatment/scan database

Hi Tony,

Yep, I could well imagine the FDA has people on all these forums too. An no

doubt they would have access to Yahoo's group membership so they can track

all members of all lists.

That is why a system like grid would have to offer the member total

anomimity. No names or email address used unless the member so wishes to

disclose themselves.

Otherwise you would need a registration system where everyone was ID and

members screened.

Grid may be a good idea, but in practicality, it just may not work. I don't

know.

Regards

Ken

----- Original Message -----

> It could also create a resource for FDA actions or other illegal acts

> against the Rife community. The creation of a Charitable Research

> Group under Canadian or other international law could offer some

> protection against the worst violations of the groups members civil

> rights...

>

> Peace

[Guest guest]

Hi,

The Rife Forum may be a suitable place for such a system.

It is located on a secure server in Germany and run by me. I have been

screening members of the forum from the very start. Members Email addresses

are not visible on the forum and communication is possible via username. The

membership list is only visible to accepted members.

http://www.rifeforum.com

And for those who want to use a secure SSL connection

http://www.rifeforum.de

As the server is in a free country and is well known to the Rife community,

it could be a good location.

Regards

Re: Global RIFE treatment/scan database

Hi Tony,

Yep, I could well imagine the FDA has people on all these forums too. An no

doubt they would have access to Yahoo's group membership so they can track

all members of all lists.

That is why a system like grid would have to offer the member total

anomimity. No names or email address used unless the member so wishes to

disclose themselves.

Otherwise you would need a registration system where everyone was ID and

members screened.

Grid may be a good idea, but in practicality, it just may not work. I don't

know.

Regards

Ken

----- Original Message -----

> It could also create a resource for FDA actions or other illegal acts

> against the Rife community. The creation of a Charitable Research

> Group under Canadian or other international law could offer some

> protection against the worst violations of the groups members civil

> rights...

>

> Peace

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I just registered at your RifeForum.

Thanks for making this available.

Regards

Ken Uzzell

----- Original Message -----

> Hi,

> The Rife Forum may be a suitable place for such a system.

>

> It is located on a secure server in Germany and run by me. I have been

> screening members of the forum from the very start. Members Email

addresses

> are not visible on the forum and communication is possible via username.

The

> membership list is only visible to accepted members.

>

> http://www.rifeforum.com

>

> And for those who want to use a secure SSL connection

>

> http://www.rifeforum.de

>

> As the server is in a free country and is well known to the Rife

community,

> it could be a good location.

>

> Regards

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I just registered at your RifeForum.

Thanks for making this available.

Regards

Ken Uzzell

----- Original Message -----

> Hi,

> The Rife Forum may be a suitable place for such a system.

>

> It is located on a secure server in Germany and run by me. I have been

> screening members of the forum from the very start. Members Email

addresses

> are not visible on the forum and communication is possible via username.

The

> membership list is only visible to accepted members.

>

> http://www.rifeforum.com

>

> And for those who want to use a secure SSL connection

>

> http://www.rifeforum.de

>

> As the server is in a free country and is well known to the Rife

community,

> it could be a good location.

>

> Regards

>

>

[Guest guest]

A great solution maybe we could have quite backup sites around the

world that get polled data every now and then to enable database protection.

RE: Global RIFE treatment/scan database

> Hi,

> The Rife Forum may be a suitable place for such a system.

>

> It is located on a secure server in Germany and run by me. I have been

> screening members of the forum from the very start. Members Email

addresses

> are not visible on the forum and communication is possible via username.

The

> membership list is only visible to accepted members.

>

> http://www.rifeforum.com

>

> And for those who want to use a secure SSL connection

>

> http://www.rifeforum.de

>

> As the server is in a free country and is well known to the Rife

community,

> it could be a good location.

>

> Regards

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

A great solution maybe we could have quite backup sites around the

world that get polled data every now and then to enable database protection.

RE: Global RIFE treatment/scan database

> Hi,

> The Rife Forum may be a suitable place for such a system.

>

> It is located on a secure server in Germany and run by me. I have been

> screening members of the forum from the very start. Members Email

addresses

> are not visible on the forum and communication is possible via username.

The

> membership list is only visible to accepted members.

>

> http://www.rifeforum.com

>

> And for those who want to use a secure SSL connection

>

> http://www.rifeforum.de

>

> As the server is in a free country and is well known to the Rife

community,

> it could be a good location.

>

> Regards

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Been watching this discussion thread with interest. This database seems

like an excellent idea. An important aspect of any database is the

maintenance of data integrity. Data corruption, whether unintended or

intentional, would cause all collected data to be considered suspect.

Such an outcome would be most unfortunate. If this database is to be

used for serious research and application purposes then it would be

worthwhile to implement data entry validation processes.

Warren Rekow

[Guest guest]

Been watching this discussion thread with interest. This database seems

like an excellent idea. An important aspect of any database is the

maintenance of data integrity. Data corruption, whether unintended or

intentional, would cause all collected data to be considered suspect.

Such an outcome would be most unfortunate. If this database is to be

used for serious research and application purposes then it would be

worthwhile to implement data entry validation processes.

Warren Rekow

[Guest guest]

Hi Warren,

I understand the extreme problems an " open house " system would allow. It

would be unworkable.

Are there any suggestions of ways to assure data entry validation?

My only thought on this would require membership screening to exist which in

turn could be used against researchers by bodies wishing to discredit this

work.

An earlier suggestion was to register a Rife Research Organization that may

provide an umbrella from FDA attempts to harass and prosecute members. This

sounds like a big job to me and would probably require members to have

qualifications at a scientific level to participate.

Ken

----- Original Message -----

> Been watching this discussion thread with interest. This database seems

> like an excellent idea. An important aspect of any database is the

> maintenance of data integrity. Data corruption, whether unintended or

> intentional, would cause all collected data to be considered suspect.

> Such an outcome would be most unfortunate. If this database is to be

> used for serious research and application purposes then it would be

> worthwhile to implement data entry validation processes.

> Warren Rekow

[Guest guest]

Hi Warren,

I understand the extreme problems an " open house " system would allow. It

would be unworkable.

Are there any suggestions of ways to assure data entry validation?

My only thought on this would require membership screening to exist which in

turn could be used against researchers by bodies wishing to discredit this

work.

An earlier suggestion was to register a Rife Research Organization that may

provide an umbrella from FDA attempts to harass and prosecute members. This

sounds like a big job to me and would probably require members to have

qualifications at a scientific level to participate.

Ken

----- Original Message -----

> Been watching this discussion thread with interest. This database seems

> like an excellent idea. An important aspect of any database is the

> maintenance of data integrity. Data corruption, whether unintended or

> intentional, would cause all collected data to be considered suspect.

> Such an outcome would be most unfortunate. If this database is to be

> used for serious research and application purposes then it would be

> worthwhile to implement data entry validation processes.

> Warren Rekow

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken, Warren and everybody,

What bothers me about

the possible exclusion of people not with scientific credentials, if screening

went to this level, on this reporting for the GRID network ( the name I also

like as the grid is a control element in tubes, a little input generates a

larger output) is that some otherwise qualified people get left behind.

I would think that if a standard is set and everybody uses it honestly, the

system could work. If you look at the " establishment " as it is in the

conventional science community, here these people have been presented

compelling evidence to at least look further and take off their blinders and

become real scientists and by that I mean a true scientist considers all

possible solutions available, not just what he or she wishes it to be, or what

is politically acceptable at that moment.

To isolate people that have much to contribute based on how they are papered,

regardless of their true creativity and good instincts to follow the logical

path of natures' clues, is to create another sub-class out of them. This would

be a great loss. What you have right now in the conventional medical and

scientific community is a " good old boys " exclusive club, the AMA, FDA and

others rule the roost. The scientific community I speak of basically became

isolationist and with it, a closed loop of ideas.

No doubt, many know the truth but their living is feeding off of grant money and

desperate sick people or their survivors will leave the research banks lots of

money so the cycle continues. Fat cats get fatter.

What they did to alternative science people that were papered (such as Doctor

Rife and good company) by placing them into a sub-class is exactly what we would

be doing to those in the alternative science community that were not papered in

some way.

In effect, we could become just like the oppressors we dislike, not so much in

knowing the potential of the alternative sciences, but in becoming isolationist.

The first group in lab coats sits looking down on the second group in lab coats

who in turn, because of paper qualifications, looks down on the group wearing

blue jeans.

There is not a technology, science, religion, government or any particular group

of people that is without it's lunatic fringe, people are people and when you

get a bunch together, a certain cross section will always work the extreme outer

fringes, this is life.

I think those who may taint the quality of the reporting system would make

themselves self evident. Of greater importance is a secure identification system

which protects each researcher. Even if reports are passed to a secure server

which has been kindly offered, it must be remembered, at least here in the

States, that we have the FBI Carnivore system which was in place well before

911. Each internet service provider backbone connection, at the least, each

node, has email and more being monitored for key phrases and they have admitted

it for some years. ISP's keep copies of chats, emails and so forth.

We can not afford to isolate from the information stream any who have real and

usable data because in that data, over time, is the truth and in the end, like

oil and water, the truth comes to the surface. When it comes to statistical

data, the facts always come out. If some bad data gets into the system, it also

will stand out.

Sooner or later, when the truth becomes too great to hide about healing, when

the cancer victims or their survivors learn that it did not have to be the way

it has been, a general rage will come over huge numbers of people and that is

the real answer. Public knowledge. The AMA, the FDA and drug companies know

this, which is why they fear the ever growing work underway.

Our numbers grow, we talk to people who also talk to people. Cancer deaths,

preventable, are in every family or friendship; Once all these people know, do

you actually think they will forgive and forget? I think not.

In the end, with enough data, the public is going to take the AMA, The FDA and

the drug companies and hang them out to dry, not through violence but through

ever growing political power.

To isolate people in our research community is to thin our ranks and we can not

afford to do that. There are a lot of potential, gifted people working hard to

help people and that is what being alive is all about.

No doubt a report of even this writing will end up on some desk or a few and to

those that would try and control my opinion at a political, governmental level,

I say take your control and treat it as you would a suppository.

Local TV, radio and newspapers used to be how we got our information and those

were easily controlled, like the AMA did with the Med Journals and hid Rife from

a generation of doctors. But enter the internet and here we are and here we will

be.

Please do not act to divide the ranks and remember, every persons' tears are

equally salty.

Sorry this had to be so long.

Regards,

Mike

Re: Global RIFE treatment/scan database

Hi Warren,

I understand the extreme problems an " open house " system would allow. It

would be unworkable.

Are there any suggestions of ways to assure data entry validation?

My only thought on this would require membership screening to exist which in

turn could be used against researchers by bodies wishing to discredit this

work.

An earlier suggestion was to register a Rife Research Organization that may

provide an umbrella from FDA attempts to harass and prosecute members. This

sounds like a big job to me and would probably require members to have

qualifications at a scientific level to participate.

Ken

----- Original Message -----

> Been watching this discussion thread with interest. This database seems

> like an excellent idea. An important aspect of any database is the

> maintenance of data integrity. Data corruption, whether unintended or

> intentional, would cause all collected data to be considered suspect.

> Such an outcome would be most unfortunate. If this database is to be

> used for serious research and application purposes then it would be

> worthwhile to implement data entry validation processes.

> Warren Rekow

a..

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken, Warren and everybody,

What bothers me about

the possible exclusion of people not with scientific credentials, if screening

went to this level, on this reporting for the GRID network ( the name I also

like as the grid is a control element in tubes, a little input generates a

larger output) is that some otherwise qualified people get left behind.

I would think that if a standard is set and everybody uses it honestly, the

system could work. If you look at the " establishment " as it is in the

conventional science community, here these people have been presented

compelling evidence to at least look further and take off their blinders and

become real scientists and by that I mean a true scientist considers all

possible solutions available, not just what he or she wishes it to be, or what

is politically acceptable at that moment.

To isolate people that have much to contribute based on how they are papered,

regardless of their true creativity and good instincts to follow the logical

path of natures' clues, is to create another sub-class out of them. This would

be a great loss. What you have right now in the conventional medical and

scientific community is a " good old boys " exclusive club, the AMA, FDA and

others rule the roost. The scientific community I speak of basically became

isolationist and with it, a closed loop of ideas.

No doubt, many know the truth but their living is feeding off of grant money and

desperate sick people or their survivors will leave the research banks lots of

money so the cycle continues. Fat cats get fatter.

What they did to alternative science people that were papered (such as Doctor

Rife and good company) by placing them into a sub-class is exactly what we would

be doing to those in the alternative science community that were not papered in

some way.

In effect, we could become just like the oppressors we dislike, not so much in

knowing the potential of the alternative sciences, but in becoming isolationist.

The first group in lab coats sits looking down on the second group in lab coats

who in turn, because of paper qualifications, looks down on the group wearing

blue jeans.

There is not a technology, science, religion, government or any particular group

of people that is without it's lunatic fringe, people are people and when you

get a bunch together, a certain cross section will always work the extreme outer

fringes, this is life.

I think those who may taint the quality of the reporting system would make

themselves self evident. Of greater importance is a secure identification system

which protects each researcher. Even if reports are passed to a secure server

which has been kindly offered, it must be remembered, at least here in the

States, that we have the FBI Carnivore system which was in place well before

911. Each internet service provider backbone connection, at the least, each

node, has email and more being monitored for key phrases and they have admitted

it for some years. ISP's keep copies of chats, emails and so forth.

We can not afford to isolate from the information stream any who have real and

usable data because in that data, over time, is the truth and in the end, like

oil and water, the truth comes to the surface. When it comes to statistical

data, the facts always come out. If some bad data gets into the system, it also

will stand out.

Sooner or later, when the truth becomes too great to hide about healing, when

the cancer victims or their survivors learn that it did not have to be the way

it has been, a general rage will come over huge numbers of people and that is

the real answer. Public knowledge. The AMA, the FDA and drug companies know

this, which is why they fear the ever growing work underway.

Our numbers grow, we talk to people who also talk to people. Cancer deaths,

preventable, are in every family or friendship; Once all these people know, do

you actually think they will forgive and forget? I think not.

In the end, with enough data, the public is going to take the AMA, The FDA and

the drug companies and hang them out to dry, not through violence but through

ever growing political power.

To isolate people in our research community is to thin our ranks and we can not

afford to do that. There are a lot of potential, gifted people working hard to

help people and that is what being alive is all about.

No doubt a report of even this writing will end up on some desk or a few and to

those that would try and control my opinion at a political, governmental level,

I say take your control and treat it as you would a suppository.

Local TV, radio and newspapers used to be how we got our information and those

were easily controlled, like the AMA did with the Med Journals and hid Rife from

a generation of doctors. But enter the internet and here we are and here we will

be.

Please do not act to divide the ranks and remember, every persons' tears are

equally salty.

Sorry this had to be so long.

Regards,

Mike

Re: Global RIFE treatment/scan database

Hi Warren,

I understand the extreme problems an " open house " system would allow. It

would be unworkable.

Are there any suggestions of ways to assure data entry validation?

My only thought on this would require membership screening to exist which in

turn could be used against researchers by bodies wishing to discredit this

work.

An earlier suggestion was to register a Rife Research Organization that may

provide an umbrella from FDA attempts to harass and prosecute members. This

sounds like a big job to me and would probably require members to have

qualifications at a scientific level to participate.

Ken

----- Original Message -----

> Been watching this discussion thread with interest. This database seems

> like an excellent idea. An important aspect of any database is the

> maintenance of data integrity. Data corruption, whether unintended or

> intentional, would cause all collected data to be considered suspect.

> Such an outcome would be most unfortunate. If this database is to be

> used for serious research and application purposes then it would be

> worthwhile to implement data entry validation processes.

> Warren Rekow

a..

[Guest guest]

To All,

I am a novice in the area of frequency therapy and I wanted to relate an

experience I had that reflects the " controls " that are in place in the

media as far a anything to do with Rife therapy. While riding in my car

listening to a talk radio program with the topic of new and innovative

drug therapies for cancer, a caller came on the line. He said " How

about Rife therapy? The cure for cancer has been there for years. Has

anyone read the book The Cancer Cure that Worked by Barry Lynes? The

show host immediately cut-off the caller and said " This is a topic for

another show " . And immediately went back to the cancer drug cure

callers. What happen to " Freedom of Speech " ? But, a small voice made

it through the maze of controls.

In another situation I was at Six Flags in California and was waiting in

line for a ride and overheard a couple talking about a relative that had

cancer and had given up on any hope. Of course I said " Have you heard

about Rife Frequency therapy. In those 10 minutes or so I tried to piece

together the history of Royal Rife and then explain what I knew and what

I had experienced personally. I then gave them a list of " .com's " that I

have committed to memory. The look in there eyes as I looked back while

getting on the ride was one of hope and disbelief rolled into one

glance.

Another small voice was heard again.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken, Mike, Warren and everyone interested,

I think Mike brings up a good point and definitely we don't wish to

exclude those without credentials from adding great value, but we

shouldn't underestimate the size of the undertaking. To allow for a

more accurate experience the system will be complex, limiting the use

of free-text fields/columns in the database and allowing for

automatic validation for some data. It would be desirable, in my

experience, for new data to be validated by the system as much as is

possible, using all the standard mechanisms a database developer has

available, but there are some validation processes that are outside

of the scope of standard controls and can be implemented in different

ways. I think new data should go through validation processes, which

may include being assigned to a particular credentialed individual

for approval. All data is not necessarily available to everyone for

editing, in fact data is more likely only editable by its owners,

contributors and special credentialed individuals. A new piece of

data's status is reflective of its condition and a whole gamut of

rules may determine such status. Every object (table) in the database

requires a number of standard attributes that enable control. It has

been found in many of the larger systems that a designer include the

following columns in a table definition (this is borrowed from

Oracle's ideas):

ROWID - the unique, system generated value which serves as a primary

key reference;

DATE_CREATED - date the record/data was first created;

CREATED_BY - system user ref who created the record;

DATE_LAST_UPDATED - date the record was last updated;

LAST_UPDATED_BY - system user ref who last updated the record;

If this is beginning to sound complicated, it is probably because

managing complex data from a wide range of sources is difficult but

isn't impossible. We must recognize that the dumber the system is,

the smarter the operators must be (and vice versa!)

Better get this posted. Hope we can get together at the Rife

conference and discuss more of these issues and ideas!

Regards to you all,

> Hi Ken, Warren and everybody,

> What

bothers me about the possible exclusion of people not with scientific

credentials, if screening went to this level, on this reporting for

the GRID network ( the name I also like as the grid is a control

element in tubes, a little input generates a larger output) is that

some otherwise qualified people get left behind.

> I would think that if a standard is set and everybody uses it

honestly, the system could work. If you look at the " establishment "

as it is in the conventional science community, here these people

have been presented compelling evidence to at least look further and

take off their blinders and become real scientists and by that I mean

a true scientist considers all possible solutions available, not just

what he or she wishes it to be, or what is politically acceptable at

that moment.

> To isolate people that have much to contribute based on how they

are papered, regardless of their true creativity and good instincts

to follow the logical path of natures' clues, is to create another

sub-class out of them. This would be a great loss. What you have

right now in the conventional medical and scientific community is

a " good old boys " exclusive club, the AMA, FDA and others rule the

roost. The scientific community I speak of basically became

isolationist and with it, a closed loop of ideas.

> No doubt, many know the truth but their living is feeding off of

grant money and desperate sick people or their survivors will leave

the research banks lots of money so the cycle continues. Fat cats get

fatter.

> What they did to alternative science people that were papered (such

as Doctor Rife and good company) by placing them into a sub-class is

exactly what we would be doing to those in the alternative science

community that were not papered in some way.

> In effect, we could become just like the oppressors we dislike, not

so much in knowing the potential of the alternative sciences, but in

becoming isolationist. The first group in lab coats sits looking down

on the second group in lab coats who in turn, because of paper

qualifications, looks down on the group wearing blue jeans.

> There is not a technology, science, religion, government or any

particular group of people that is without it's lunatic fringe,

people are people and when you get a bunch together, a certain cross

section will always work the extreme outer fringes, this is life.

> I think those who may taint the quality of the reporting system

would make themselves self evident. Of greater importance is a secure

identification system which protects each researcher. Even if reports

are passed to a secure server which has been kindly offered, it must

be remembered, at least here in the States, that we have the FBI

Carnivore system which was in place well before 911. Each internet

service provider backbone connection, at the least, each node, has

email and more being monitored for key phrases and they have admitted

it for some years. ISP's keep copies of chats, emails and so forth.

> We can not afford to isolate from the information stream any who

have real and usable data because in that data, over time, is the

truth and in the end, like oil and water, the truth comes to the

surface. When it comes to statistical data, the facts always come

out. If some bad data gets into the system, it also will stand out.

> Sooner or later, when the truth becomes too great to hide about

healing, when the cancer victims or their survivors learn that it did

not have to be the way it has been, a general rage will come over

huge numbers of people and that is the real answer. Public knowledge.

The AMA, the FDA and drug companies know this, which is why they

fear the ever growing work underway.

> Our numbers grow, we talk to people who also talk to people. Cancer

deaths, preventable, are in every family or friendship; Once all

these people know, do you actually think they will forgive and

forget? I think not.

> In the end, with enough data, the public is going to take the AMA,

The FDA and the drug companies and hang them out to dry, not through

violence but through ever growing political power.

> To isolate people in our research community is to thin our ranks

and we can not afford to do that. There are a lot of potential,

gifted people working hard to help people and that is what being

alive is all about.

> No doubt a report of even this writing will end up on some desk or

a few and to those that would try and control my opinion at a

political, governmental level, I say take your control and treat it

as you would a suppository.

> Local TV, radio and newspapers used to be how we got our

information and those were easily controlled, like the AMA did with

the Med Journals and hid Rife from a generation of doctors. But enter

the internet and here we are and here we will be.

> Please do not act to divide the ranks and remember, every persons'

tears are equally salty.

> Sorry this had to be so long.

> Regards,

> Mike

>

> Re: Global RIFE treatment/scan database

>

>

> Hi Warren,

>

> I understand the extreme problems an " open house " system would

allow. It

> would be unworkable.

>

> Are there any suggestions of ways to assure data entry validation?

>

> My only thought on this would require membership screening to

exist which in

> turn could be used against researchers by bodies wishing to

discredit this

> work.

>

> An earlier suggestion was to register a Rife Research

Organization that may

> provide an umbrella from FDA attempts to harass and prosecute

members. This

> sounds like a big job to me and would probably require members to

have

> qualifications at a scientific level to participate.

>

> Ken

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Warren Rekow " <rekow@r...>

>

>

> > Been watching this discussion thread with interest. This

database seems

> > like an excellent idea. An important aspect of any database is

the

> > maintenance of data integrity. Data corruption, whether

unintended or

> > intentional, would cause all collected data to be considered

suspect.

> > Such an outcome would be most unfortunate. If this database is

to be

> > used for serious research and application purposes then it

would be

> > worthwhile to implement data entry validation processes.

> > Warren Rekow

>

>

> a..

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike and everyone,

I would hate to see exclussion from a program such as Grid. There are ways

to mininize error reporting via a person selecting options from

predetermined list. But I haven't been able to find a way to valadate

frequencies used in programs.

I am no scientist, so I would be the first to be excluded if a recognised

research organization was formed. For governments to recognise research

organizations usually requires a level of scientific qualifications running

the show and watching over methods of reporting. I don't think this would be

a practical way to go.

s kind offer is what I believe would be a workable solution.

Each member of http://www.rifeforum.com has a unique number, this membership

number could also be used by Grid as a method of validating who will be able

to send reports to Grid.

This would provide a registered list of members allowing Grid to be an

extension of 's Rifeforums.com service.

Ken

----- Original Message -----

> Hi Ken, Warren and everybody,

> What bothers me

about the possible exclusion of people not with scientific credentials, if

screening went to this level, on this reporting for the GRID network ( the

name I also like as the grid is a control element in tubes, a little input

generates a larger output) is that some otherwise qualified people get left

behind.

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike and everyone,

I would hate to see exclussion from a program such as Grid. There are ways

to mininize error reporting via a person selecting options from

predetermined list. But I haven't been able to find a way to valadate

frequencies used in programs.

I am no scientist, so I would be the first to be excluded if a recognised

research organization was formed. For governments to recognise research

organizations usually requires a level of scientific qualifications running

the show and watching over methods of reporting. I don't think this would be

a practical way to go.

s kind offer is what I believe would be a workable solution.

Each member of http://www.rifeforum.com has a unique number, this membership

number could also be used by Grid as a method of validating who will be able

to send reports to Grid.

This would provide a registered list of members allowing Grid to be an

extension of 's Rifeforums.com service.

Ken

----- Original Message -----

> Hi Ken, Warren and everybody,

> What bothers me

about the possible exclusion of people not with scientific credentials, if

screening went to this level, on this reporting for the GRID network ( the

name I also like as the grid is a control element in tubes, a little input

generates a larger output) is that some otherwise qualified people get left

behind.

[Guest guest]

Maybe a parallel system would be better in which all the data is collected.

One for registered users and one for unregistered users both separate

databases. Many people including myself have no medical training at all.

However I do have extensive technical training. We all need to accept that

normal everyday people find information all the time and make valued

contributions in all fields. We need everybody's data. The final collated

data can be a blend from both databases this will fix all data corruption

problems from either database.

Re: Global RIFE treatment/scan database

> Hi Mike and everyone,

>

> I would hate to see exclussion from a program such as Grid. There are ways

> to mininize error reporting via a person selecting options from

> predetermined list. But I haven't been able to find a way to valadate

> frequencies used in programs.

>

> I am no scientist, so I would be the first to be excluded if a recognised

> research organization was formed. For governments to recognise research

> organizations usually requires a level of scientific qualifications

running

> the show and watching over methods of reporting. I don't think this would

be

> a practical way to go.

>

> s kind offer is what I believe would be a workable solution.

>

> Each member of http://www.rifeforum.com has a unique number, this

membership

> number could also be used by Grid as a method of validating who will be

able

> to send reports to Grid.

>

> This would provide a registered list of members allowing Grid to be an

> extension of 's Rifeforums.com service.

>

> Ken

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hello Ken, Mike & all.

Effective data entry validation is often a challenge. The requirement

of maintaining contributor privacy within a publicly available database

doesn't make the task any easier. It seems like it would be important

to have a unique data contributor identifier associated with each

original submission of data. This identifier could be a sequence number

or other non-significant form of identification.

The challenge then becomes assuring correct identification of the

contributor at the time of original data submission. If all original

data were submitted to one single online database system, then that

system could have a logon-id and password type of entry process. If a

first-time data contributor selects their own password (and logon-id?)

then their logon-id could be used as their identifier in the database

henceforth. Thus the data entry process only stores logon-id and

password in order to identify and verify each individual contributor.

It would be each contributor's responsibility to protect and remember

their id and password, and thus the integrity of their submitted data.

There would be no way to prevent a contributor from creating multiple

IDs. If data corruption does occur then hopefully it could be

associated with a specific ID such that data collections submitted by

that ID could be flagged, deleted, etc.

Alternatively, contributors could be given the voluntary option to

include more information about themselves with the explicit

understanding that all provided information will be publicly available.

How to handle queries directed to data contributors is not addressed

here.

Contributor identity issues aside, it may also be desirable, whenever

possible, to define the database fields in such a way that data

consistency can be maintained and automatic data verification processes

can be run at the time of data submission. This would enhance the value

and utility of the data.

Mike wrote:

>                                                         What bothers

> me about the possible exclusion of people not with scientific

> credentials, if screening went to this level, on this reporting for

> the GRID network ( the name I also like as the grid is a control

> element in tubes, a little input generates a larger output) is that

> some otherwise qualified people get left behind.

<clip>

Mike, your sentiments are eloquently stated. 8^) Certainly there are

many others who share your perspective. Given that there are numerous

competent and capable folks from varied backgrounds active in this

realm who are making important observations, it would be a loss for all

if their observations were given no voice. How to sort the wheat from

the chaff I don't know. As you indicate, the peer-review process has

its own deficiencies.

Hopefully this input will be of some help,

Warren Rekow

> Hi Warren,

>

> I understand the extreme problems an " open house " system would allow.

> It

> would be unworkable.

>

> Are there any suggestions of ways to assure data entry validation?

>

> My only thought on this would require membership screening to exist

> which in

> turn could be used against researchers by bodies wishing to discredit

> this

> work.

>

> An earlier suggestion was to register a Rife Research Organization

> that may

> provide an umbrella from FDA attempts to harass and prosecute

> members. This

> sounds like a big job to me and would probably require members to have

> qualifications at a scientific level to participate.

>

> Ken