Guest guest Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Wow, Jan! And I thought you just sold great beef! Thanks for your articulate sharing of your experiences, frustrations and solutions. It was both upsetting and inspirational! Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Hi Jan. Obviously from your post, we deal with many of the same problems with our kids. While I understand and respect that you hate the guy who started the parental rights amendment petition, I really fully believe you are letting that hatred cloud your judgment about the necessity of the ammendment. Honestly, most of what you stated you do will be illegal under the UN convention, and it will only be a matter of time before it is fully enforced. And we do see it beginning to be enforced in other countries. If you do understand how these issues are reversed and contrived by the school system as physical and mental health issues, I truly can not begin to fathom how you do not see how such wording in the UN convention will remove your parental rights right out from under your nose. I am extremely concerned for the future of our grandchildren, and I find it incomprehensible how we, you and me, believe in the same ideas, but that you can not see what is so obvious to me that our special needs kids will not have a hope under this new system. I hope you will reevaluate, including researching the actual application and enforcement of the laws in other countries, because the UN convention without a parental rights amendment will NOT keep your kids vaccine free. Nor dye free, nor corn syrup free, nor fat-full, etc. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Hi Jan. Obviously from your post, we deal with many of the same problems with our kids. While I understand and respect that you hate the guy who started the parental rights amendment petition, I really fully believe you are letting that hatred cloud your judgment about the necessity of the ammendment. Honestly, most of what you stated you do will be illegal under the UN convention, and it will only be a matter of time before it is fully enforced. And we do see it beginning to be enforced in other countries. If you do understand how these issues are reversed and contrived by the school system as physical and mental health issues, I truly can not begin to fathom how you do not see how such wording in the UN convention will remove your parental rights right out from under your nose. I am extremely concerned for the future of our grandchildren, and I find it incomprehensible how we, you and me, believe in the same ideas, but that you can not see what is so obvious to me that our special needs kids will not have a hope under this new system. I hope you will reevaluate, including researching the actual application and enforcement of the laws in other countries, because the UN convention without a parental rights amendment will NOT keep your kids vaccine free. Nor dye free, nor corn syrup free, nor fat-full, etc. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Hi Jan. Obviously from your post, we deal with many of the same problems with our kids. While I understand and respect that you hate the guy who started the parental rights amendment petition, I really fully believe you are letting that hatred cloud your judgment about the necessity of the ammendment. Honestly, most of what you stated you do will be illegal under the UN convention, and it will only be a matter of time before it is fully enforced. And we do see it beginning to be enforced in other countries. If you do understand how these issues are reversed and contrived by the school system as physical and mental health issues, I truly can not begin to fathom how you do not see how such wording in the UN convention will remove your parental rights right out from under your nose. I am extremely concerned for the future of our grandchildren, and I find it incomprehensible how we, you and me, believe in the same ideas, but that you can not see what is so obvious to me that our special needs kids will not have a hope under this new system. I hope you will reevaluate, including researching the actual application and enforcement of the laws in other countries, because the UN convention without a parental rights amendment will NOT keep your kids vaccine free. Nor dye free, nor corn syrup free, nor fat-full, etc. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Dear Jan,I am late in catching up, but how refreshing and amazing your letter was. THANK YOU for so eloquently, passionately, empathetically sharing and relating. I want to know you at an even deeper level. YOU are a HEROINE to me, having taken and traveled-well the hard road. THANK YOU for sharing and reaffirming WHY WE MUST KEEP UP THIS DISCUSSION!!!!!!!!!!!! Our adopted son was raised on sugar-water and soy, and spent his first year with us self-mutilating. I credit FALLON - yes, have written to her, thanking her - and WAPF, and the encouragement of people like you, for having pulled him from the abyss of Autism. THANK YOU for your work. THANK YOU for taking a stand. THANK YOU for doing what you are in raising grass-fed animals. I have seen my son turn from a child who used to see " twinkly stars " and " red eyes in the forest " , as well as seeing " ..a man standing in our kitchen, telling me to kill myself " , to a child who not only loves the Lord, but is very, very aware how important food is and the difference it has made in his life. To have people take it so casually, or worse, shut down conversations because it is " political??? When to me, it is a matter of life and death. YOU are a breath of fresh air. Love, Sharon On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:38 PM, bellasol.organics < bellasol.organics@...> wrote: > > > We still need to read all documents and statements we support. We > should continue to have discussions such as this, which IS relevant to > especially this group, as what has been brought up about the possible > intrusions in even more of our rights is certainly inevitable. With > this knowledge and continued efforts, we can keep fighting for our > rights. Whether that includes support for these particular platforms is > up to each individual, and should be respected by others, as there are > many different ways to fight for our Freedoms. > > ~Jan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Dear Jan,I am late in catching up, but how refreshing and amazing your letter was. THANK YOU for so eloquently, passionately, empathetically sharing and relating. I want to know you at an even deeper level. YOU are a HEROINE to me, having taken and traveled-well the hard road. THANK YOU for sharing and reaffirming WHY WE MUST KEEP UP THIS DISCUSSION!!!!!!!!!!!! Our adopted son was raised on sugar-water and soy, and spent his first year with us self-mutilating. I credit FALLON - yes, have written to her, thanking her - and WAPF, and the encouragement of people like you, for having pulled him from the abyss of Autism. THANK YOU for your work. THANK YOU for taking a stand. THANK YOU for doing what you are in raising grass-fed animals. I have seen my son turn from a child who used to see " twinkly stars " and " red eyes in the forest " , as well as seeing " ..a man standing in our kitchen, telling me to kill myself " , to a child who not only loves the Lord, but is very, very aware how important food is and the difference it has made in his life. To have people take it so casually, or worse, shut down conversations because it is " political??? When to me, it is a matter of life and death. YOU are a breath of fresh air. Love, Sharon On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:38 PM, bellasol.organics < bellasol.organics@...> wrote: > > > We still need to read all documents and statements we support. We > should continue to have discussions such as this, which IS relevant to > especially this group, as what has been brought up about the possible > intrusions in even more of our rights is certainly inevitable. With > this knowledge and continued efforts, we can keep fighting for our > rights. Whether that includes support for these particular platforms is > up to each individual, and should be respected by others, as there are > many different ways to fight for our Freedoms. > > ~Jan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Dear Jan,I am late in catching up, but how refreshing and amazing your letter was. THANK YOU for so eloquently, passionately, empathetically sharing and relating. I want to know you at an even deeper level. YOU are a HEROINE to me, having taken and traveled-well the hard road. THANK YOU for sharing and reaffirming WHY WE MUST KEEP UP THIS DISCUSSION!!!!!!!!!!!! Our adopted son was raised on sugar-water and soy, and spent his first year with us self-mutilating. I credit FALLON - yes, have written to her, thanking her - and WAPF, and the encouragement of people like you, for having pulled him from the abyss of Autism. THANK YOU for your work. THANK YOU for taking a stand. THANK YOU for doing what you are in raising grass-fed animals. I have seen my son turn from a child who used to see " twinkly stars " and " red eyes in the forest " , as well as seeing " ..a man standing in our kitchen, telling me to kill myself " , to a child who not only loves the Lord, but is very, very aware how important food is and the difference it has made in his life. To have people take it so casually, or worse, shut down conversations because it is " political??? When to me, it is a matter of life and death. YOU are a breath of fresh air. Love, Sharon On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:38 PM, bellasol.organics < bellasol.organics@...> wrote: > > > We still need to read all documents and statements we support. We > should continue to have discussions such as this, which IS relevant to > especially this group, as what has been brought up about the possible > intrusions in even more of our rights is certainly inevitable. With > this knowledge and continued efforts, we can keep fighting for our > rights. Whether that includes support for these particular platforms is > up to each individual, and should be respected by others, as there are > many different ways to fight for our Freedoms. > > ~Jan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Me, again. Now, in Part II, I still find it confusing how you can have gone through all you have, only to arrive back at not explaining your stand on the UN, or why you are peeved at the " parental rights " organization. This is where I need you to expand and explain. I was totally in-sync with your experiences and views on other aspects of special needs, schools, etc., but specifically, what is it about the parental rights that has you suggesting we have no read it? I have.....and I do not want to see our country kowtowing (Geez...who knew it was kow.....nevermind......) to the UN? WHY can't we stand alone in this? WHY do we need any remedies or solutions of the UN? THAT is what I object to......... Sharon On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:38 PM, bellasol.organics < bellasol.organics@...> wrote: > > We still need to read all documents and statements we support. We > should continue to have discussions such as this, which IS relevant to > especially this group, as what has been brought up about the possible > intrusions in even more of our rights is certainly inevitable. With > this knowledge and continued efforts, we can keep fighting for our > rights. Whether that includes support for these particular platforms is > up to each individual, and should be respected by others, as there are > many different ways to fight for our Freedoms. > > ~Jan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Me, again. Now, in Part II, I still find it confusing how you can have gone through all you have, only to arrive back at not explaining your stand on the UN, or why you are peeved at the " parental rights " organization. This is where I need you to expand and explain. I was totally in-sync with your experiences and views on other aspects of special needs, schools, etc., but specifically, what is it about the parental rights that has you suggesting we have no read it? I have.....and I do not want to see our country kowtowing (Geez...who knew it was kow.....nevermind......) to the UN? WHY can't we stand alone in this? WHY do we need any remedies or solutions of the UN? THAT is what I object to......... Sharon On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:38 PM, bellasol.organics < bellasol.organics@...> wrote: > > We still need to read all documents and statements we support. We > should continue to have discussions such as this, which IS relevant to > especially this group, as what has been brought up about the possible > intrusions in even more of our rights is certainly inevitable. With > this knowledge and continued efforts, we can keep fighting for our > rights. Whether that includes support for these particular platforms is > up to each individual, and should be respected by others, as there are > many different ways to fight for our Freedoms. > > ~Jan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Me, again. Now, in Part II, I still find it confusing how you can have gone through all you have, only to arrive back at not explaining your stand on the UN, or why you are peeved at the " parental rights " organization. This is where I need you to expand and explain. I was totally in-sync with your experiences and views on other aspects of special needs, schools, etc., but specifically, what is it about the parental rights that has you suggesting we have no read it? I have.....and I do not want to see our country kowtowing (Geez...who knew it was kow.....nevermind......) to the UN? WHY can't we stand alone in this? WHY do we need any remedies or solutions of the UN? THAT is what I object to......... Sharon On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:38 PM, bellasol.organics < bellasol.organics@...> wrote: > > We still need to read all documents and statements we support. We > should continue to have discussions such as this, which IS relevant to > especially this group, as what has been brought up about the possible > intrusions in even more of our rights is certainly inevitable. With > this knowledge and continued efforts, we can keep fighting for our > rights. Whether that includes support for these particular platforms is > up to each individual, and should be respected by others, as there are > many different ways to fight for our Freedoms. > > ~Jan > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Fortunately for me, he ended up not liking sweets and > made his own stand against them, which I was also told would somehow > damage his social skills! I am enjoying this conversation and learning a lot, so thanks to everyone for contributing and bringing up different points. I don't want to hijack the thread, but I have to ask because this theme has come up a few times now. Do schools really put pressure on parents to allow their kids to partake in the community food, whether it fits their diet philosophy or not? Do they really say it will damage their social skills?! To me, that is as ridiculous as substituting illegal drugs for food in the same conversation. Lots of kids in school do drugs, but do we say it hurts our children's social skills if they say no? Of course not, we applaud kids for standing up and saying no! Some of these " foods " in the classrooms are just as bad, if not worse! I just don't get it. This is one of the many reasons I'm considering homeschooling my kids when they get to the age of public schooling. Alyssa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Fortunately for me, he ended up not liking sweets and > made his own stand against them, which I was also told would somehow > damage his social skills! I am enjoying this conversation and learning a lot, so thanks to everyone for contributing and bringing up different points. I don't want to hijack the thread, but I have to ask because this theme has come up a few times now. Do schools really put pressure on parents to allow their kids to partake in the community food, whether it fits their diet philosophy or not? Do they really say it will damage their social skills?! To me, that is as ridiculous as substituting illegal drugs for food in the same conversation. Lots of kids in school do drugs, but do we say it hurts our children's social skills if they say no? Of course not, we applaud kids for standing up and saying no! Some of these " foods " in the classrooms are just as bad, if not worse! I just don't get it. This is one of the many reasons I'm considering homeschooling my kids when they get to the age of public schooling. Alyssa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 HI Alyssa, First a disclaimer. My kids are not in school. However, I went through public school and was very involved with my niece and nephew as they did, so I am fairly familiar, but not as familiar with the parents who currently have kids in the system. With that said, when there is a classroom party with cupcakes laden with corn syrup and dye, and you ask your child not partake, yes, in some circles it is considered emotional abuse. Unfortunately, some of those people with those beliefs are teachers, administrators and law makers. This puts parents in a very uncomfortable position. Minimally, it puts the parent under scrutiny, which alone is stressful. Second there is the cafeteria. Cafeteria food is typically anti-trad foods. Sure, you can pack your child's lunch. But the pressure from your poor kids who are getting left out is tremendous. The whole mentality in the school system is about fitting in, even if there are active administrators who focus on appreciating differences, the mentality is about fitting in. I t is very tough on kids to be in that position. I might also mention here that some systems are now checking kids lunches to make sure the lunches are complying with what they believe to be nutritious lunches, and removing items that do not meet their standards. Those standards may or may not be the same beliefs as the parents. Thirdly, there are vending machines. Typically filled with soda, candy bars and potato chips. Again, these things are tempting even for us adults. Children usually do not have the level of control that we do. Add the pressure of fitting in, and it is all over. SO in short, yes, some people in the school systems do believe it is weird, mean and unkind to not allow a child to partake in Halloween candy and birthday party junk food. Another concern I have about the UN convention is that the wording in my opinion states that all children must have a public education, which means it would be illegal for kids to be homeschooled. One of the reasons we home school is dietary. We want to avoid the junk food paradigm and pressure in the school system. I am not alone and would guess there are hundreds or thousands of us. Right now in England, there is a pending law suit to enforce the UN convention on this point, saying that the un convention makes homeschooling illegal. I have to agree that it does because of the wording. Again, when ratified in the US, because all our parental rights are at a state level, the un convention will be supreme wiping out all state laws. The only way to protect our parental rights is at a constitutional level, because a treaty even supercedes national law, but not a national constitution. I personally am not thrilled with dinking with our constitution. But as far as I know and as far as all the experts and lawyers say, there is no other way to ensure protection of parental rights. (Unless the un convention is not ratified, but in all reality, it will be). If anyone is interested, there is a petition on line to present to congress at parentalrights.org. You can also contact your represtenatives and ask them to support it, if they do not all ready. It is heart breaking to me that such a core value across the board for everyone is being made into a party issue. Both sides should be concerned, and in many circles they are. This should not be about sides, or about parties, or about anger. We need to unite to protect our parental rights to instill our own personal values to our children, whether it be religion, or food. This protects everyone, not just Chirstians, but muslims, wickens, and atheists. And it protects trad fooders with our " weird " food choices. Thanks for be interested in this discussion, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 HI Alyssa, First a disclaimer. My kids are not in school. However, I went through public school and was very involved with my niece and nephew as they did, so I am fairly familiar, but not as familiar with the parents who currently have kids in the system. With that said, when there is a classroom party with cupcakes laden with corn syrup and dye, and you ask your child not partake, yes, in some circles it is considered emotional abuse. Unfortunately, some of those people with those beliefs are teachers, administrators and law makers. This puts parents in a very uncomfortable position. Minimally, it puts the parent under scrutiny, which alone is stressful. Second there is the cafeteria. Cafeteria food is typically anti-trad foods. Sure, you can pack your child's lunch. But the pressure from your poor kids who are getting left out is tremendous. The whole mentality in the school system is about fitting in, even if there are active administrators who focus on appreciating differences, the mentality is about fitting in. I t is very tough on kids to be in that position. I might also mention here that some systems are now checking kids lunches to make sure the lunches are complying with what they believe to be nutritious lunches, and removing items that do not meet their standards. Those standards may or may not be the same beliefs as the parents. Thirdly, there are vending machines. Typically filled with soda, candy bars and potato chips. Again, these things are tempting even for us adults. Children usually do not have the level of control that we do. Add the pressure of fitting in, and it is all over. SO in short, yes, some people in the school systems do believe it is weird, mean and unkind to not allow a child to partake in Halloween candy and birthday party junk food. Another concern I have about the UN convention is that the wording in my opinion states that all children must have a public education, which means it would be illegal for kids to be homeschooled. One of the reasons we home school is dietary. We want to avoid the junk food paradigm and pressure in the school system. I am not alone and would guess there are hundreds or thousands of us. Right now in England, there is a pending law suit to enforce the UN convention on this point, saying that the un convention makes homeschooling illegal. I have to agree that it does because of the wording. Again, when ratified in the US, because all our parental rights are at a state level, the un convention will be supreme wiping out all state laws. The only way to protect our parental rights is at a constitutional level, because a treaty even supercedes national law, but not a national constitution. I personally am not thrilled with dinking with our constitution. But as far as I know and as far as all the experts and lawyers say, there is no other way to ensure protection of parental rights. (Unless the un convention is not ratified, but in all reality, it will be). If anyone is interested, there is a petition on line to present to congress at parentalrights.org. You can also contact your represtenatives and ask them to support it, if they do not all ready. It is heart breaking to me that such a core value across the board for everyone is being made into a party issue. Both sides should be concerned, and in many circles they are. This should not be about sides, or about parties, or about anger. We need to unite to protect our parental rights to instill our own personal values to our children, whether it be religion, or food. This protects everyone, not just Chirstians, but muslims, wickens, and atheists. And it protects trad fooders with our " weird " food choices. Thanks for be interested in this discussion, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 HI Alyssa, First a disclaimer. My kids are not in school. However, I went through public school and was very involved with my niece and nephew as they did, so I am fairly familiar, but not as familiar with the parents who currently have kids in the system. With that said, when there is a classroom party with cupcakes laden with corn syrup and dye, and you ask your child not partake, yes, in some circles it is considered emotional abuse. Unfortunately, some of those people with those beliefs are teachers, administrators and law makers. This puts parents in a very uncomfortable position. Minimally, it puts the parent under scrutiny, which alone is stressful. Second there is the cafeteria. Cafeteria food is typically anti-trad foods. Sure, you can pack your child's lunch. But the pressure from your poor kids who are getting left out is tremendous. The whole mentality in the school system is about fitting in, even if there are active administrators who focus on appreciating differences, the mentality is about fitting in. I t is very tough on kids to be in that position. I might also mention here that some systems are now checking kids lunches to make sure the lunches are complying with what they believe to be nutritious lunches, and removing items that do not meet their standards. Those standards may or may not be the same beliefs as the parents. Thirdly, there are vending machines. Typically filled with soda, candy bars and potato chips. Again, these things are tempting even for us adults. Children usually do not have the level of control that we do. Add the pressure of fitting in, and it is all over. SO in short, yes, some people in the school systems do believe it is weird, mean and unkind to not allow a child to partake in Halloween candy and birthday party junk food. Another concern I have about the UN convention is that the wording in my opinion states that all children must have a public education, which means it would be illegal for kids to be homeschooled. One of the reasons we home school is dietary. We want to avoid the junk food paradigm and pressure in the school system. I am not alone and would guess there are hundreds or thousands of us. Right now in England, there is a pending law suit to enforce the UN convention on this point, saying that the un convention makes homeschooling illegal. I have to agree that it does because of the wording. Again, when ratified in the US, because all our parental rights are at a state level, the un convention will be supreme wiping out all state laws. The only way to protect our parental rights is at a constitutional level, because a treaty even supercedes national law, but not a national constitution. I personally am not thrilled with dinking with our constitution. But as far as I know and as far as all the experts and lawyers say, there is no other way to ensure protection of parental rights. (Unless the un convention is not ratified, but in all reality, it will be). If anyone is interested, there is a petition on line to present to congress at parentalrights.org. You can also contact your represtenatives and ask them to support it, if they do not all ready. It is heart breaking to me that such a core value across the board for everyone is being made into a party issue. Both sides should be concerned, and in many circles they are. This should not be about sides, or about parties, or about anger. We need to unite to protect our parental rights to instill our own personal values to our children, whether it be religion, or food. This protects everyone, not just Chirstians, but muslims, wickens, and atheists. And it protects trad fooders with our " weird " food choices. Thanks for be interested in this discussion, Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 One of the reasons we are homeschooling is exactly that - the problem with being able to control the kids food at school. Even telling the teachers very specifically that the kids were not to have chocolate (it makes them totally wired for about 24 hours, since they are not used to it) didn't work - they responded that it was up to us to teach the kid to make the right choice - ummmm, but he's 5 and in kindergarten and the teacher is giving it out to all of the kids.... For some reason he didn't consistently make " the right choice. " Additionally, the kids would get " candy " related homework for the various holidays... It is kind of tough to count your halloween candy when you don't go trick or treating or to graph the candy wrappers - same thing for Christmas & Easter.... it was unbelievable how much " studying " they did for valentines day - it was close to 2 weeks of making valentines and eating treats. There was also St 's day and other holidays that I didn't know existed, much less that they had a " junk food " tradition that had to be observed to go along with each and every one. Add in birthdays and bribery ( " for being good in spanish " ) and pretty much, the kids had candy/cupcakes/other junk food at least 2-3 times a week. It was beyond ridiculous! And I found the teachers, while they would acknowledge that junk food was not good for the kids, would act as though they were helpless to change all this. Most parents I know (even non-traditional food eaters) thought it was extreme! Just a bit of my experience. ________________________________ To: trad-foods-MN Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 4:34:41 PM Subject: Re: Parental rights  Fortunately for me, he ended up not liking sweets and > made his own stand against them, which I was also told would somehow > damage his social skills! I am enjoying this conversation and learning a lot, so thanks to everyone for contributing and bringing up different points. I don't want to hijack the thread, but I have to ask because this theme has come up a few times now. Do schools really put pressure on parents to allow their kids to partake in the community food, whether it fits their diet philosophy or not? Do they really say it will damage their social skills?! To me, that is as ridiculous as substituting illegal drugs for food in the same conversation. Lots of kids in school do drugs, but do we say it hurts our children's social skills if they say no? Of course not, we applaud kids for standing up and saying no! Some of these " foods " in the classrooms are just as bad, if not worse! I just don't get it. This is one of the many reasons I'm considering homeschooling my kids when they get to the age of public schooling. Alyssa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 One of the reasons we are homeschooling is exactly that - the problem with being able to control the kids food at school. Even telling the teachers very specifically that the kids were not to have chocolate (it makes them totally wired for about 24 hours, since they are not used to it) didn't work - they responded that it was up to us to teach the kid to make the right choice - ummmm, but he's 5 and in kindergarten and the teacher is giving it out to all of the kids.... For some reason he didn't consistently make " the right choice. " Additionally, the kids would get " candy " related homework for the various holidays... It is kind of tough to count your halloween candy when you don't go trick or treating or to graph the candy wrappers - same thing for Christmas & Easter.... it was unbelievable how much " studying " they did for valentines day - it was close to 2 weeks of making valentines and eating treats. There was also St 's day and other holidays that I didn't know existed, much less that they had a " junk food " tradition that had to be observed to go along with each and every one. Add in birthdays and bribery ( " for being good in spanish " ) and pretty much, the kids had candy/cupcakes/other junk food at least 2-3 times a week. It was beyond ridiculous! And I found the teachers, while they would acknowledge that junk food was not good for the kids, would act as though they were helpless to change all this. Most parents I know (even non-traditional food eaters) thought it was extreme! Just a bit of my experience. ________________________________ To: trad-foods-MN Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 4:34:41 PM Subject: Re: Parental rights  Fortunately for me, he ended up not liking sweets and > made his own stand against them, which I was also told would somehow > damage his social skills! I am enjoying this conversation and learning a lot, so thanks to everyone for contributing and bringing up different points. I don't want to hijack the thread, but I have to ask because this theme has come up a few times now. Do schools really put pressure on parents to allow their kids to partake in the community food, whether it fits their diet philosophy or not? Do they really say it will damage their social skills?! To me, that is as ridiculous as substituting illegal drugs for food in the same conversation. Lots of kids in school do drugs, but do we say it hurts our children's social skills if they say no? Of course not, we applaud kids for standing up and saying no! Some of these " foods " in the classrooms are just as bad, if not worse! I just don't get it. This is one of the many reasons I'm considering homeschooling my kids when they get to the age of public schooling. Alyssa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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