Re: Using the cultures that form in the decanted kt

[Guest guest]

Only if you didn't filter the kombucha that went in or have access to

regular kombucha. The yeast salts on the bottom are important to protect a

scoby in a new enviroment.

--ph

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> Is it okay to use the scobies that form in decanted kt to start new

> batches? I'm assuming so.Are they just as good as the ones formed when

> you are making kt?

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> Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

Okay a touch confused here. I thought I'd read that the yeast should be

occasionaly rinsed out of the jars so the yeast will not become over

balanced? At least in the regular brewing jar with scoby. Your speaking

of the decanted bottle, but I am asking the same question concerning

the brewing jar with using the forming scoby when their was not one in

the jar to brew with.

Audrey

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> Only if you didn't filter the kombucha that went in or have access to

> regular kombucha. The yeast salts on the bottom are important to

protect a

> scoby in a new enviroment.

>

> --ph

>

[Guest guest]

Audrey, I'm not sure what ph is saying. What protects a new brew is

proper acidity until the SCOBY kicks in and starts fermenting. That is

achieved by adding mature KT or pasteurized vinegar. I've never heard

anyone say the yeasts protect the SCOBY, and I'm not sure what that

means. Both yeasts and bacteria are housed within the SCOBY, so they are

present to begin any new batch.

You're correct. The yeasts will get unbalanced and do need to be rinsed

out of the vessel, how frequently depends on individual conditions. Also,

as I've talked about before, based on my disastrous experiences, taking the

starter KT from the top of the vessel consistently is a good way to get a

good yeast balance.

At 02:26 PM 12/31/2006, you wrote:

>Okay a touch confused here. I thought I'd read that the yeast should be

>occasionaly rinsed out of the jars so the yeast will not become over

>balanced? At least in the regular brewing jar with scoby. Your speaking

>of the decanted bottle, but I am asking the same question concerning

>the brewing jar with using the forming scoby when their was not one in

>the jar to brew with.

>Audrey

>

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> > Only if you didn't filter the kombucha that went in or have access to

> > regular kombucha. The yeast salts on the bottom are important to

>protect a

> > scoby in a new enviroment.

> >

> > --ph

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Audrey, I'm not sure what ph is saying. What protects a new brew is

proper acidity until the SCOBY kicks in and starts fermenting. That is

achieved by adding mature KT or pasteurized vinegar. I've never heard

anyone say the yeasts protect the SCOBY, and I'm not sure what that

means. Both yeasts and bacteria are housed within the SCOBY, so they are

present to begin any new batch.

You're correct. The yeasts will get unbalanced and do need to be rinsed

out of the vessel, how frequently depends on individual conditions. Also,

as I've talked about before, based on my disastrous experiences, taking the

starter KT from the top of the vessel consistently is a good way to get a

good yeast balance.

At 02:26 PM 12/31/2006, you wrote:

>Okay a touch confused here. I thought I'd read that the yeast should be

>occasionaly rinsed out of the jars so the yeast will not become over

>balanced? At least in the regular brewing jar with scoby. Your speaking

>of the decanted bottle, but I am asking the same question concerning

>the brewing jar with using the forming scoby when their was not one in

>the jar to brew with.

>Audrey

>

><snippet>

> > Only if you didn't filter the kombucha that went in or have access to

> > regular kombucha. The yeast salts on the bottom are important to

>protect a

> > scoby in a new enviroment.

> >

> > --ph

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

So then, am I alright with my kt?

I had to get rid of my 2 big stacks of Scobies because of fruit fly

larvae.

I have a hotel jar, and it contains my original scoby, some new ones

from it, and some that I took from decanted kt that had been strained.

I started some more kt from some of those scobies. Is my kt fine, or

have I wrecked it?

> >Okay a touch confused here. I thought I'd read that the yeast should be

> >occasionaly rinsed out of the jars so the yeast will not become over

> >balanced? At least in the regular brewing jar with scoby. Your speaking

> >of the decanted bottle, but I am asking the same question concerning

> >the brewing jar with using the forming scoby when their was not one in

> >the jar to brew with.

> >Audrey

> >

> ><snippet>

> > > Only if you didn't filter the kombucha that went in or have

access to

> > > regular kombucha. The yeast salts on the bottom are important to

> >protect a

> > > scoby in a new enviroment.

> > >

> > > --ph

>

>

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

[Guest guest]

>So then, am I alright with my kt?

>I had to get rid of my 2 big stacks of Scobies because of fruit fly

>larvae.

>I have a hotel jar, and it contains my original scoby, some new ones

>from it, and some that I took from decanted kt that had been strained.

>I started some more kt from some of those scobies. Is my kt fine, or

>have I wrecked it?

>

, to go back to your original question, yes it's ok to use the

SCOBYs that form in decanted KT, but, they are usually very small; I

wouldn't choose to use only one of those for my KT. If you've added them

into your culture or your nursery/hotel jar, that's not a problem at all.

I don't see anything anywhere that says you ruined your KT or your SCOBY(s).

Yes, hotel/nursery jars must be covered with the tightly woven cloth, just

like an active vessel must be, and for the same reasons. However, on top

of the cloth on my nursery jars, I also put a sheet of (unbleached) wax

paper, also held on by the rubber band, to hold down evaporation. The

waxed paper still allows enough air exchange.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

>

>

> >So then, am I alright with my kt?

> >I had to get rid of my 2 big stacks of Scobies because of fruit fly

> >larvae.

> >I have a hotel jar, and it contains my original scoby, some new ones

> >from it, and some that I took from decanted kt that had been strained.

> >I started some more kt from some of those scobies. Is my kt fine, or

> >have I wrecked it?

> >

>

> , to go back to your original question, yes it's ok to use the

> SCOBYs that form in decanted KT, but, they are usually very small; I

> wouldn't choose to use only one of those for my KT. If you've added

them

> into your culture or your nursery/hotel jar, that's not a problem at

all.

>

> I don't see anything anywhere that says you ruined your KT or your

SCOBY(s).

>

> Yes, hotel/nursery jars must be covered with the tightly woven

cloth, just

> like an active vessel must be, and for the same reasons. However,

on top

> of the cloth on my nursery jars, I also put a sheet of (unbleached) wax

> paper, also held on by the rubber band, to hold down evaporation. The

> waxed paper still allows enough air exchange.

>

> --V

>

> Mine are a good size actually, and seem to work just fine. I'm just

worried about whether they have all the good stuff in them or not. The

man who posted and said that they don't worried me. (Sorry I can't

recall the name at the moment.)

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>

[Guest guest]

> > Mine are a good size actually, and seem to work just fine. I'm just

>worried about whether they have all the good stuff in them or not. The

>man who posted and said that they don't worried me. (Sorry I can't

>recall the name at the moment.)

>

Oh yes, I remember now. , there is nothing about your culture or

process of brewing that has given me any reason to think you have a problem

with your culture. As I have said before, some people who sell KT cultures

seem to like to instill doubt and fear in people, apparently so they'll

throw theirs out and buy one from them. There's no reason to doubt your

culture, , please don't worry. Seriously.

And, this practice of throwing fear into people makes me angry and that's

why I get testy on the subject. It's not fair, it's unnecessary, and the

motivations for doing so seem highly suspect.

So please, I hope you'll really hear me when I say that you don't have

anything to worry about.

with best wishes,

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for answering my question. It really helps to

relieve my worry.

>

>

> > > Mine are a good size actually, and seem to work just fine. I'm just

> >worried about whether they have all the good stuff in them or not. The

> >man who posted and said that they don't worried me. (Sorry I can't

> >recall the name at the moment.)

> >

>

> Oh yes, I remember now. , there is nothing about your

culture or

> process of brewing that has given me any reason to think you have a

problem

> with your culture. As I have said before, some people who sell KT

cultures

> seem to like to instill doubt and fear in people, apparently so they'll

> throw theirs out and buy one from them. There's no reason to doubt

your

> culture, , please don't worry. Seriously.

>

> And, this practice of throwing fear into people makes me angry and

that's

> why I get testy on the subject. It's not fair, it's unnecessary,

and the

> motivations for doing so seem highly suspect.

>

> So please, I hope you'll really hear me when I say that you don't have

> anything to worry about.

>

> with best wishes,

> --V

>

>

>

> ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

> --A.J. Muste

>