Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 >how do you know if your culture is contaminated not from mold but say >metal or plastic, You won't be able to see anything. You just have to follow good protocols, and if you're wondering about the starter you received, you just have to hope they follow good protocols. Or, ask them how they handle their culture. >also how do you know if you produced a yeast patty >baby or a true kombucha baby because i got my culture from e bay and i >don't know if it is a true kombucha or just a yeast patty. i heard >you can just produce yeast patty's if not made properly. i made my >first batch and it taste great. Great! glad your brew is making you happy This yeast patty scare is, in my opinion, bogus. The bacteria make the SCOBY, therefore if you have a SCOBY (the solid portion), you have bacteria. The closest thing to this concern that I can figure out is that, apple cider vinegar (ACV) also makes a solid culture. If the solid culture one had were ACV instead of KT, you would have an ACV-derived beverage, not the yeasts/bacteria that are particular to kombucha. That is generally very simple to determine, however, based on taste. Also, if your culture floats, we've been told it cannot be ACV; however, some normal KT SCOBYs do sink, so a sinker is not a test, only a floater. Questions and concerns like this, however, are why it's good to make sure you are receiving your KT start from a good source. I actually think it's probably better to seek a start from someone just brewing for themselves, and not particularly from commercial sellers. Some commercial sellers are honorable, others seem not to be. Since there's no percentage for a private brewer to hype their KT starts, since they are not making any money, it seems intuitive that would be the better source. And, being on this list, the SCOBYs/starts that seem to cause the most concern are ones that people bought off ebay. I know ppl will still buy from there, but it's good to know that there are lots of people exchanging them for free or just the cost of shipping/packing. >One other thing what type of lids do >you guys use to store your finished tea in i use ball wide mouth mason >jars with ball metal coated white lids that you can purchase at the >supermaket is this ok or can the tea leech out the metal toxins from >the lid even though they are coated any suggestions I use the Grolsch beer bail-top bottles, after trying a number of things. The problem I experienced with mason jars is that the screw-ring corrodes with continued contact with KT. That produces black stuff that definitely tells you you're getting metal toxins. I personally also try to minimize any contact my KT has with plastic of any kind, including the kind that coats the inside of metal lids for mason jars and other types of juice bottles. Also these coatings scratch easily and reveal the metal. Everyone has to find their own comfort level, however. A way to minimize contact with the lid is not to fill it super high and be careful handling the jars/bottles so they don't tip, or at least not storing them with contact with the lid. In the case of the mason jars, and perhaps with others, wiping the threads of the jar and rinsing the threads of the lid before screwing the lid back on seems to help minimize corrosion. hope this helps, --V ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ --A.J. Muste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 thank you for responding and so quick,it helped me a lot one thing you said people give out cultures for free besides shipping and handling. i live in new jersey where can i find a reliable person who is giving cultures out and how can you tell if there reliable. > > > >how do you know if your culture is contaminated not from mold but say > >metal or plastic, > > You won't be able to see anything. You just have to follow good protocols, > and if you're wondering about the starter you received, you just have to > hope they follow good protocols. Or, ask them how they handle their culture. > > >also how do you know if you produced a yeast patty > >baby or a true kombucha baby because i got my culture from e bay and i > >don't know if it is a true kombucha or just a yeast patty. i heard > >you can just produce yeast patty's if not made properly. i made my > >first batch and it taste great. > > Great! glad your brew is making you happy This yeast patty scare is, > in my opinion, bogus. The bacteria make the SCOBY, therefore if you have a > SCOBY (the solid portion), you have bacteria. > > The closest thing to this concern that I can figure out is that, apple > cider vinegar (ACV) also makes a solid culture. If the solid culture one > had were ACV instead of KT, you would have an ACV-derived beverage, not the > yeasts/bacteria that are particular to kombucha. That is generally very > simple to determine, however, based on taste. Also, if your culture > floats, we've been told it cannot be ACV; however, some normal KT SCOBYs do > sink, so a sinker is not a test, only a floater. > > Questions and concerns like this, however, are why it's good to make sure > you are receiving your KT start from a good source. I actually think it's > probably better to seek a start from someone just brewing for themselves, > and not particularly from commercial sellers. Some commercial sellers are > honorable, others seem not to be. Since there's no percentage for a > private brewer to hype their KT starts, since they are not making any > money, it seems intuitive that would be the better source. And, being on > this list, the SCOBYs/starts that seem to cause the most concern are ones > that people bought off ebay. I know ppl will still buy from there, but > it's good to know that there are lots of people exchanging them for free or > just the cost of shipping/packing. > > >One other thing what type of lids do > >you guys use to store your finished tea in i use ball wide mouth mason > >jars with ball metal coated white lids that you can purchase at the > >supermaket is this ok or can the tea leech out the metal toxins from > >the lid even though they are coated any suggestions > > I use the Grolsch beer bail-top bottles, after trying a number of > things. The problem I experienced with mason jars is that the screw-ring > corrodes with continued contact with KT. That produces black stuff that > definitely tells you you're getting metal toxins. I personally also try to > minimize any contact my KT has with plastic of any kind, including the kind > that coats the inside of metal lids for mason jars and other types of juice > bottles. Also these coatings scratch easily and reveal the metal. Everyone > has to find their own comfort level, however. > > A way to minimize contact with the lid is not to fill it super high and be > careful handling the jars/bottles so they don't tip, or at least not > storing them with contact with the lid. In the case of the mason jars, and > perhaps with others, wiping the threads of the jar and rinsing the threads > of the lid before screwing the lid back on seems to help minimize corrosion. > > hope this helps, > > --V > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > --A.J. Muste > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 thank you for responding and so quick,it helped me a lot one thing you said people give out cultures for free besides shipping and handling. i live in new jersey where can i find a reliable person who is giving cultures out and how can you tell if there reliable. > > > >how do you know if your culture is contaminated not from mold but say > >metal or plastic, > > You won't be able to see anything. You just have to follow good protocols, > and if you're wondering about the starter you received, you just have to > hope they follow good protocols. Or, ask them how they handle their culture. > > >also how do you know if you produced a yeast patty > >baby or a true kombucha baby because i got my culture from e bay and i > >don't know if it is a true kombucha or just a yeast patty. i heard > >you can just produce yeast patty's if not made properly. i made my > >first batch and it taste great. > > Great! glad your brew is making you happy This yeast patty scare is, > in my opinion, bogus. The bacteria make the SCOBY, therefore if you have a > SCOBY (the solid portion), you have bacteria. > > The closest thing to this concern that I can figure out is that, apple > cider vinegar (ACV) also makes a solid culture. If the solid culture one > had were ACV instead of KT, you would have an ACV-derived beverage, not the > yeasts/bacteria that are particular to kombucha. That is generally very > simple to determine, however, based on taste. Also, if your culture > floats, we've been told it cannot be ACV; however, some normal KT SCOBYs do > sink, so a sinker is not a test, only a floater. > > Questions and concerns like this, however, are why it's good to make sure > you are receiving your KT start from a good source. I actually think it's > probably better to seek a start from someone just brewing for themselves, > and not particularly from commercial sellers. Some commercial sellers are > honorable, others seem not to be. Since there's no percentage for a > private brewer to hype their KT starts, since they are not making any > money, it seems intuitive that would be the better source. And, being on > this list, the SCOBYs/starts that seem to cause the most concern are ones > that people bought off ebay. I know ppl will still buy from there, but > it's good to know that there are lots of people exchanging them for free or > just the cost of shipping/packing. > > >One other thing what type of lids do > >you guys use to store your finished tea in i use ball wide mouth mason > >jars with ball metal coated white lids that you can purchase at the > >supermaket is this ok or can the tea leech out the metal toxins from > >the lid even though they are coated any suggestions > > I use the Grolsch beer bail-top bottles, after trying a number of > things. The problem I experienced with mason jars is that the screw-ring > corrodes with continued contact with KT. That produces black stuff that > definitely tells you you're getting metal toxins. I personally also try to > minimize any contact my KT has with plastic of any kind, including the kind > that coats the inside of metal lids for mason jars and other types of juice > bottles. Also these coatings scratch easily and reveal the metal. Everyone > has to find their own comfort level, however. > > A way to minimize contact with the lid is not to fill it super high and be > careful handling the jars/bottles so they don't tip, or at least not > storing them with contact with the lid. In the case of the mason jars, and > perhaps with others, wiping the threads of the jar and rinsing the threads > of the lid before screwing the lid back on seems to help minimize corrosion. > > hope this helps, > > --V > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > --A.J. Muste > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Where in New Jersey? I have a whole pot full of scobies in new york city. It's a second generation culture from Margaret on this list. 2006/12/26, kombucha111 : > thank you for responding and so quick,it helped me a lot one thing > you said people give out cultures for free besides shipping and > handling. i live in new jersey where can i find a reliable person > who is giving cultures out and how can you tell if there reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Where in New Jersey? I have a whole pot full of scobies in new york city. It's a second generation culture from Margaret on this list. 2006/12/26, kombucha111 : > thank you for responding and so quick,it helped me a lot one thing > you said people give out cultures for free besides shipping and > handling. i live in new jersey where can i find a reliable person > who is giving cultures out and how can you tell if there reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Hi EveryOne, It is hard to know whether or not your Kombucha is the " real " thing and whether or not it has been fermented in or stored in plastic...metal usually turns it black....I do not recommend using metal lids even lined ones with Kombucha tea...you can buy plastic wide mouth lids for ball jars online. It would take laboratory testing to test for the constituents in your Kombucha and most of us don't have access to that. You can research your sources and you can see how effective your Kombucha tea is for your health. Ultimately, like so many things in life, it is a matter of trust...Do the best you can and use the best fermenting methods you can and enjoy your KT. Peace, Love and Harmony, Bev Manna International: Kombucha Information and Resources Kombucha Manna Drops - Convenient, Safe, Effective, Easy to use. Manna Green & White Tea Extract: Liquid Green Tea Drops 100% Certified Organic Ingredients: made and packaged only in Glass. http://users.bestweb.net/~om/kmi/order.html -- In original_kombucha , " kombucha111 " wrote: > > how do you know if your culture is contaminated not from mold but say > metal or plastic, also how do you know if you produced a yeast patty > baby or a true kombucha baby because i got my culture from e bay and i > don't know if it is a true kombucha or just a yeast patty. i heard > you can just produce yeast patty's if not made properly. i made my > first batch and it taste great. One other thing what type of lids do > you guys use to store your finished tea in i use ball wide mouth mason > jars with ball metal coated white lids that you can purchase at the > supermaket is this ok or can the tea leech out the metal toxins from > the lid even though they are coated any suggestions > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 If you go the the file button in this forum, you will see that Bev has a file that lists names and addresses of people here in the forum that send them out. Since they are in the forum, I think they are pretty trust worthy. That is how I got my first baby. Happy Brewing, Myrna > > > > > > >how do you know if your culture is contaminated not from mold but > say > > >metal or plastic, > > > > You won't be able to see anything. You just have to follow good > protocols, > > and if you're wondering about the starter you received, you just > have to > > hope they follow good protocols. Or, ask them how they handle > their culture. > > > > >also how do you know if you produced a yeast patty > > >baby or a true kombucha baby because i got my culture from e bay > and i > > >don't know if it is a true kombucha or just a yeast patty. i > heard > > >you can just produce yeast patty's if not made properly. i made my > > >first batch and it taste great. > > > > Great! glad your brew is making you happy This yeast patty > scare is, > > in my opinion, bogus. The bacteria make the SCOBY, therefore if > you have a > > SCOBY (the solid portion), you have bacteria. > > > > The closest thing to this concern that I can figure out is that, > apple > > cider vinegar (ACV) also makes a solid culture. If the solid > culture one > > had were ACV instead of KT, you would have an ACV-derived > beverage, not the > > yeasts/bacteria that are particular to kombucha. That is generally > very > > simple to determine, however, based on taste. Also, if your > culture > > floats, we've been told it cannot be ACV; however, some normal KT > SCOBYs do > > sink, so a sinker is not a test, only a floater. > > > > Questions and concerns like this, however, are why it's good to > make sure > > you are receiving your KT start from a good source. I actually > think it's > > probably better to seek a start from someone just brewing for > themselves, > > and not particularly from commercial sellers. Some commercial > sellers are > > honorable, others seem not to be. Since there's no percentage for > a > > private brewer to hype their KT starts, since they are not making > any > > money, it seems intuitive that would be the better source. And, > being on > > this list, the SCOBYs/starts that seem to cause the most concern > are ones > > that people bought off ebay. I know ppl will still buy from > there, but > > it's good to know that there are lots of people exchanging them > for free or > > just the cost of shipping/packing. > > > > >One other thing what type of lids do > > >you guys use to store your finished tea in i use ball wide mouth > mason > > >jars with ball metal coated white lids that you can purchase at > the > > >supermaket is this ok or can the tea leech out the metal toxins > from > > >the lid even though they are coated any suggestions > > > > I use the Grolsch beer bail-top bottles, after trying a number of > > things. The problem I experienced with mason jars is that the > screw-ring > > corrodes with continued contact with KT. That produces black > stuff that > > definitely tells you you're getting metal toxins. I personally > also try to > > minimize any contact my KT has with plastic of any kind, including > the kind > > that coats the inside of metal lids for mason jars and other types > of juice > > bottles. Also these coatings scratch easily and reveal the metal. > Everyone > > has to find their own comfort level, however. > > > > A way to minimize contact with the lid is not to fill it super > high and be > > careful handling the jars/bottles so they don't tip, or at least > not > > storing them with contact with the lid. In the case of the mason > jars, and > > perhaps with others, wiping the threads of the jar and rinsing the > threads > > of the lid before screwing the lid back on seems to help minimize > corrosion. > > > > hope this helps, > > > > --V > > > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > > --A.J. Muste > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 Hi EveryOne, To access the FILES go to: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/original_kombucha/files/ Then look in the Kombucha for Free folder for those on this list who have volunteered to share Kombucha for free or just the price of shipping and handling..... If you would like your name and contact information added to the list to share your extra Kombucha starts with others please just let me know. Peace, Love and Harmony, Bev -- In original_kombucha , " Myrna " wrote: > > If you go the the file button in this forum, you will see that Bev > has a file that lists names and addresses of people here in the forum > that send them out. Since they are in the forum, I think they are > pretty trust worthy. That is how I got my first baby. Happy Brewing, > Myrna > > > > > > > > > > > > >how do you know if your culture is contaminated not from mold > but > > say > > > >metal or plastic, > > > > > > You won't be able to see anything. You just have to follow good > > protocols, > > > and if you're wondering about the starter you received, you just > > have to > > > hope they follow good protocols. Or, ask them how they handle > > their culture. > > > > > > >also how do you know if you produced a yeast patty > > > >baby or a true kombucha baby because i got my culture from e bay > > and i > > > >don't know if it is a true kombucha or just a yeast patty. i > > heard > > > >you can just produce yeast patty's if not made properly. i made > my > > > >first batch and it taste great. > > > > > > Great! glad your brew is making you happy This yeast patty > > scare is, > > > in my opinion, bogus. The bacteria make the SCOBY, therefore if > > you have a > > > SCOBY (the solid portion), you have bacteria. > > > > > > The closest thing to this concern that I can figure out is that, > > apple > > > cider vinegar (ACV) also makes a solid culture. If the solid > > culture one > > > had were ACV instead of KT, you would have an ACV-derived > > beverage, not the > > > yeasts/bacteria that are particular to kombucha. That is > generally > > very > > > simple to determine, however, based on taste. Also, if your > > culture > > > floats, we've been told it cannot be ACV; however, some normal KT > > SCOBYs do > > > sink, so a sinker is not a test, only a floater. > > > > > > Questions and concerns like this, however, are why it's good to > > make sure > > > you are receiving your KT start from a good source. I actually > > think it's > > > probably better to seek a start from someone just brewing for > > themselves, > > > and not particularly from commercial sellers. Some commercial > > sellers are > > > honorable, others seem not to be. Since there's no percentage > for > > a > > > private brewer to hype their KT starts, since they are not making > > any > > > money, it seems intuitive that would be the better source. And, > > being on > > > this list, the SCOBYs/starts that seem to cause the most concern > > are ones > > > that people bought off ebay. I know ppl will still buy from > > there, but > > > it's good to know that there are lots of people exchanging them > > for free or > > > just the cost of shipping/packing. > > > > > > >One other thing what type of lids do > > > >you guys use to store your finished tea in i use ball wide mouth > > mason > > > >jars with ball metal coated white lids that you can purchase at > > the > > > >supermaket is this ok or can the tea leech out the metal toxins > > from > > > >the lid even though they are coated any suggestions > > > > > > I use the Grolsch beer bail-top bottles, after trying a number of > > > things. The problem I experienced with mason jars is that the > > screw-ring > > > corrodes with continued contact with KT. That produces black > > stuff that > > > definitely tells you you're getting metal toxins. I personally > > also try to > > > minimize any contact my KT has with plastic of any kind, > including > > the kind > > > that coats the inside of metal lids for mason jars and other > types > > of juice > > > bottles. Also these coatings scratch easily and reveal the > metal. > > Everyone > > > has to find their own comfort level, however. > > > > > > A way to minimize contact with the lid is not to fill it super > > high and be > > > careful handling the jars/bottles so they don't tip, or at least > > not > > > storing them with contact with the lid. In the case of the mason > > jars, and > > > perhaps with others, wiping the threads of the jar and rinsing > the > > threads > > > of the lid before screwing the lid back on seems to help minimize > > corrosion. > > > > > > hope this helps, > > > > > > --V > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~ > > > --A.J. Muste > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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