Re: Raw milk questions from the most inexperienced...

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The only thing I can think of that your FIL (What does that mean?) is talking about is es (pronounced Yonnies- found that out recently) which is supposed to cause a problem in humans, but I wouldn't worry.

Otherwise, be assured that milk is sterile in the udder. If the cow has mastitis, they withold the milk till it's cleared up so you don't have worry about that either.

I would say that the farmer and his/her family you are getting your milk from probably drinks it themselves and you don't have to worry at all.

I've been drinking my own cow's milk since 1997 and I'm still going strong. Never had a problem. However, my cow is dry right now and I opted for some store bought milk (only a pint), which I made into a milk shake. Well, after all these years of good milk, I slipped right back into the lactose intollerance thing, or so I thought I had. Store bought milk will make you sick long before raw milk ever will.

The sour smell you are getting is from the stuff off the cap and around the top of the bottle. How long have you had it? I would take a paper towel and wipe that off really well and then shake the milk up well and it should be OK. I date my milk on the day I get it out of the cow. Normally, if properly refrigerated, people tell me it lasts anywhere from 7-10 days once opened. A bit longer if it hasn't been opened.

You can freeze in glass, but be careful to leave enough head room for expansion. Glass in the freezer scares me, but I know people do it all the time. Raw milk won't last as long in the freezer as heat treated (not pasteurized).

Hope this helps.

K.C.

Raw milk questions from the most inexperienced...

Hello everyone.We are new to raw milk, only just having found a local source within the last 6 weeks.I have a couple of questions: #1My FIL, who is also the son of farmers, was giving dire warnings tomy husband about some sort of illness that can be passed (fungal in the udders or some infection...no name was given). According to him this can be passed to humans by consumption of this milk, can make people seriously ill, and have long term effects.Does anyone know what he's talking about, and whether this is a credible threat or concern?I guess I am not too concerned with our source, who seems very reputable, professional, and sanitary. But any change in the status quo that puts us in new territory like this is a little unnerving. My husband has been somewhat skeptical in the past of my search for better nutrition, and sometimes I think he's waiting for the other shoe to drop and for all of us to come down with some huge food-borne illness because we're stepping outside of what was previously known as "safe food territory".But no one can deny that so far, the milk has been great!#2I have raw milk with an expiration date of 3/24 on the bottle cap. The cream is starting to separate and congeal to top sides of the bottle, and the milk has a slightly sour smell and taste. It doesnot taste bad yet.Is it still drinkable, or do I need to dump it? Are there other uses for it in this condition? I may cry if I have to dump it.Can I freeze milk in glass bottles? If so, typically how long does that last?Kim N.MinnesotaPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/Archive search: http://onibasu.com

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FIL=Father-in-law!

Vona

Raw milk questions from the most inexperienced...

Hello everyone.We are new to raw milk, only just having found a local source within the last 6 weeks.I have a couple of questions: #1My FIL, who is also the son of farmers, was giving dire warnings tomy husband about some sort of illness that can be passed (fungal in the udders or some infection...no name was given). According to him this can be passed to humans by consumption of this milk, can make people seriously ill, and have long term effects.Does anyone know what he's talking about, and whether this is a credible threat or concern?I guess I am not too concerned with our source, who seems very reputable, professional, and sanitary. But any change in the status quo that puts us in new territory like this is a little unnerving. My husband has been somewhat skeptical in the past of my search for better nutrition, and sometimes I think he's waiting for the other shoe to drop and for all of us to come down with some huge food-borne illness because we're stepping outside of what was previously known as "safe food territory".But no one can deny that so far, the milk has been great!#2I have raw milk with an expiration date of 3/24 on the bottle cap. The cream is starting to separate and congeal to top sides of the bottle, and the milk has a slightly sour smell and taste. It doesnot taste bad yet.Is it still drinkable, or do I need to dump it? Are there other uses for it in this condition? I may cry if I have to dump it.Can I freeze milk in glass bottles? If so, typically how long does that last?Kim N.MinnesotaPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/Archive search: http://onibasu.com PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/Archive search: http://onibasu.com

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Well, now I feel really dumb. Just too old and slow to figure these things out I guess.

Thanks,

K.C.

Raw milk questions from the most inexperienced...

Hello everyone.We are new to raw milk, only just having found a local source within the last 6 weeks.I have a couple of questions: #1My FIL, who is also the son of farmers, was giving dire warnings tomy husband about some sort of illness that can be passed (fungal in the udders or some infection...no name was given). According to him this can be passed to humans by consumption of this milk, can make people seriously ill, and have long term effects.Does anyone know what he's talking about, and whether this is a credible threat or concern?I guess I am not too concerned with our source, who seems very reputable, professional, and sanitary. But any change in the status quo that puts us in new territory like this is a little unnerving. My husband has been somewhat skeptical in the past of my search for better nutrition, and sometimes I think he's waiting for the other shoe to drop and for all of us to come down with some huge food-borne illness because we're stepping outside of what was previously known as "safe food territory".But no one can deny that so far, the milk has been great!#2I have raw milk with an expiration date of 3/24 on the bottle cap. The cream is starting to separate and congeal to top sides of the bottle, and the milk has a slightly sour smell and taste. It doesnot taste bad yet.Is it still drinkable, or do I need to dump it? Are there other uses for it in this condition? I may cry if I have to dump it.Can I freeze milk in glass bottles? If so, typically how long does that last?Kim N.MinnesotaPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/Archive search: http://onibasu.com PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/Archive search: http://onibasu.com PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/Archive search: http://onibasu.com

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Sometimes we leave our butch of milk for a month at the

room temperature - it just gets more and more sour.

Once I opened it - there was a thick green layer on top. My first

reaction was to through it out.

Then I smelled it - it smelled ok.

Then I tasted it - once I did it, I couldn't stop.

Liked it.

Ulmer wrote:

You can still safely use raw milk

that has a slightly sour smell. Hey-you can use it if it has a major

sour smell-just depends on your tastes! I have a funny story-I clabber

any milk that smells pretty sour, we just have so much fresh stuff. So

I dump it into a (clean) pail for my chickens, then leave it to

clabber. Well, one day I had finished doing a "jar dump" but hadn't put

the pail out of my 23 mo old son's reach. I turned around, and there he

was with a yogurt container (saved from pre fresh milk days!) scooping

the sour milk out of the pail and drinking it! He had a cup of fresh

stuff on the floor, but I guess he preferred the sour stuff better!

[Guest guest]

Sometimes we leave our butch of milk for a month at the

room temperature - it just gets more and more sour.

Once I opened it - there was a thick green layer on top. My first

reaction was to through it out.

Then I smelled it - it smelled ok.

Then I tasted it - once I did it, I couldn't stop.

Liked it.

Ulmer wrote:

You can still safely use raw milk

that has a slightly sour smell. Hey-you can use it if it has a major

sour smell-just depends on your tastes! I have a funny story-I clabber

any milk that smells pretty sour, we just have so much fresh stuff. So

I dump it into a (clean) pail for my chickens, then leave it to

clabber. Well, one day I had finished doing a "jar dump" but hadn't put

the pail out of my 23 mo old son's reach. I turned around, and there he

was with a yogurt container (saved from pre fresh milk days!) scooping

the sour milk out of the pail and drinking it! He had a cup of fresh

stuff on the floor, but I guess he preferred the sour stuff better!

[Guest guest]

Sometimes we leave our butch of milk for a month at the

room temperature - it just gets more and more sour.

Once I opened it - there was a thick green layer on top. My first

reaction was to through it out.

Then I smelled it - it smelled ok.

Then I tasted it - once I did it, I couldn't stop.

Liked it.

Ulmer wrote:

You can still safely use raw milk

that has a slightly sour smell. Hey-you can use it if it has a major

sour smell-just depends on your tastes! I have a funny story-I clabber

any milk that smells pretty sour, we just have so much fresh stuff. So

I dump it into a (clean) pail for my chickens, then leave it to

clabber. Well, one day I had finished doing a "jar dump" but hadn't put

the pail out of my 23 mo old son's reach. I turned around, and there he

was with a yogurt container (saved from pre fresh milk days!) scooping

the sour milk out of the pail and drinking it! He had a cup of fresh

stuff on the floor, but I guess he preferred the sour stuff better!

[Guest guest]

You can still safely use raw milk that has a slightly sour smell. Hey-you can use it if it has a major sour smell-just depends on your tastes! I have a funny story-I clabber any milk that smells pretty sour, we just have so much fresh stuff. So I dump it into a (clean) pail for my chickens, then leave it to clabber. Well, one day I had finished doing a "jar dump" but hadn't put the pail out of my 23 mo old son's reach. I turned around, and there he was with a yogurt container (saved from pre fresh milk days!) scooping the sour milk out of the pail and drinking it! He had a cup of fresh stuff on the floor, but I guess he preferred the sour stuff better!

Raw milk questions from the most inexperienced...

#2I have raw milk with an expiration date of 3/24 on the bottle cap. The cream is starting to separate and congeal to top sides of the bottle, and the milk has a slightly sour smell and taste. It doesnot taste bad yet.Is it still drinkable, or do I need to dump it? Are there other uses for it in this condition? I may cry if I have to dump it.Can I freeze milk in glass bottles? If so, typically how long does that last?Kim N.Minnesota

[Guest guest]

You can still safely use raw milk that has a slightly sour smell. Hey-you can use it if it has a major sour smell-just depends on your tastes! I have a funny story-I clabber any milk that smells pretty sour, we just have so much fresh stuff. So I dump it into a (clean) pail for my chickens, then leave it to clabber. Well, one day I had finished doing a "jar dump" but hadn't put the pail out of my 23 mo old son's reach. I turned around, and there he was with a yogurt container (saved from pre fresh milk days!) scooping the sour milk out of the pail and drinking it! He had a cup of fresh stuff on the floor, but I guess he preferred the sour stuff better!

Raw milk questions from the most inexperienced...

#2I have raw milk with an expiration date of 3/24 on the bottle cap. The cream is starting to separate and congeal to top sides of the bottle, and the milk has a slightly sour smell and taste. It doesnot taste bad yet.Is it still drinkable, or do I need to dump it? Are there other uses for it in this condition? I may cry if I have to dump it.Can I freeze milk in glass bottles? If so, typically how long does that last?Kim N.Minnesota

[Guest guest]

You can still safely use raw milk that has a slightly sour smell. Hey-you can use it if it has a major sour smell-just depends on your tastes! I have a funny story-I clabber any milk that smells pretty sour, we just have so much fresh stuff. So I dump it into a (clean) pail for my chickens, then leave it to clabber. Well, one day I had finished doing a "jar dump" but hadn't put the pail out of my 23 mo old son's reach. I turned around, and there he was with a yogurt container (saved from pre fresh milk days!) scooping the sour milk out of the pail and drinking it! He had a cup of fresh stuff on the floor, but I guess he preferred the sour stuff better!

Raw milk questions from the most inexperienced...

#2I have raw milk with an expiration date of 3/24 on the bottle cap. The cream is starting to separate and congeal to top sides of the bottle, and the milk has a slightly sour smell and taste. It doesnot taste bad yet.Is it still drinkable, or do I need to dump it? Are there other uses for it in this condition? I may cry if I have to dump it.Can I freeze milk in glass bottles? If so, typically how long does that last?Kim N.Minnesota

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Kim,

I've heard that one too. It's a fear manipulation concerning

listeriosis. I could be wrong but when you say fungal that points to

that fear tactic. Problem w/ that agruement is that listeriosis is a

function of feeding ensiled feeds..ie fermented whole plant corn,

alfalfa,grasses or small grains. You would be well advised to find

milk from a farm that is grazing the cows(grass fed) and since you

live in the heart of dairy country i can't imagine you would have to

look to far to find it.

Alec

>

> Hello everyone.

>

> We are new to raw milk, only just having found a local source within

> the last 6 weeks.

>

> I have a couple of questions:

>

> #1

> My FIL, who is also the son of farmers, was giving dire warnings to

> my

> husband about some sort of illness that can be passed (fungal in the

> udders or some infection...no name was given). According to him this

> can be passed to humans by consumption of this milk, can make people

> seriously ill, and have long term effects.

>

> Does anyone know what he's talking about, and whether this is a

> credible threat or concern?

>

> I guess I am not too concerned with our source, who seems very

> reputable, professional, and sanitary. But any change in the status

> quo that puts us in new territory like this is a little unnerving.

>

> My husband has been somewhat skeptical in the past of my search for

> better nutrition, and sometimes I think he's waiting for the other

> shoe to drop and for all of us to come down with some huge food-borne

> illness because we're stepping outside of what was previously known

> as " safe food territory " .

>

> But no one can deny that so far, the milk has been great!

>

> #2

> I have raw milk with an expiration date of 3/24 on the bottle cap.

> The cream is starting to separate and congeal to top sides of the

> bottle, and the milk has a slightly sour smell and taste. It does

> not

> taste bad yet.

>

> Is it still drinkable, or do I need to dump it? Are there other uses

> for it in this condition? I may cry if I have to dump it.

>

> Can I freeze milk in glass bottles? If so, typically how long does

> that last?

>

> Kim N.

> Minnesota