Re: Undas and elimination diet -- Q

[Guest guest]

,I don't--these patients have all stayed on their other treatments during such an elimination diet.Best,

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For those who do elimination diets that include restriction of alcohol:Do you take patients off Undas, phytogens, and gemmos during the elimination diet? Thanks.

Neubauer, N.D., FABNO

Naturopathic MedicineCancer Treatment Centers of AmericaSouthwestern Regional Medical Centerwww.cancercenter.com

[Guest guest]

Hi

I almost always use UNDA during an elimination diet, and frequently use

tinctures as well. (I don't use phytogens or gemmos in my practice very often,

so can't comment on those). If I, or the patient, suspects that alcohol is a

problem, I have them put the tinctures into an ounce of hot water. The alcohol

will evaporate in about 1 minute. I don't generally worry about the alcohol in

the UNDA. My understanding is that there is about as much alcohol in the dose

as you would find in a ripe piece of fruit.

I have only ever had 1 patient who was so sensitive to alcohol that she couldn't

take UNDA, and a few dry alcoholics who didn't want to take them because of the

alcohol. When I have wanted to use UNDA in these patients, I have them drop the

dose onto a hot teaspoon, wait a few seconds, then lick them off. That has

seemed to work well enough to satisfy everyone.

Loreen Dawson, ND

Sechelt, BC

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> For those who do elimination diets that include restriction of alcohol:

> Do you take patients off Undas, phytogens, and gemmos during the elimination

diet? Thanks.

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> Neubauer, N.D., FABNO

> Naturopathic Medicine

> Cancer Treatment Centers of America

> Southwestern Regional Medical Center

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> www.cancercenter.com

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Loreen and Christie.

I was also taught in school to put tinctures in hot water to “evaporate the alcohol off”. I am not convinced, though, that this evaporation actually happens.

Certainly, the existence of hot liquor toddies argues against that. J

Has anyone (including the Seroyal labs) tested the alcohol evaporation theory?

Thank you.

Neubauer, N.D., FABNO

Tulsa, OK

[Guest guest]

I had been told the 'hot water to evaporate off the alcohol in herbal tinctures' thing even before med school.  At some point however I had been told by a few docs that it dosen't actually work.  With UNDAs, I recall Dr Abell saying that you SHOULDNT try to do that with UNDAs.

 

If they really freak over the ETOH in UNDAs, I guess you could do the bellybutton approach.

 

ND

Islip NY

 

Thank you Loreen and Christie.

 

I was also taught in school to put tinctures in hot water to “evaporate the alcohol off”. I am not convinced, though, that this evaporation actually happens. Certainly, the existence of hot liquor toddies argues against that. J

 

Has anyone (including the Seroyal labs) tested the alcohol evaporation theory?

 

Thank you.

 

Neubauer, N.D., FABNO

Tulsa, OK

 

[Guest guest]

I would agree with not putting the UNDA in water. I have only had to do this a

few times, but had the patient drop them onto a hot, dry spoon. It seemed to

work for those patients.

With the tinctures, I think it depends on how hot the water is. Water boils at

100C and alcohol at about 78C. Tap water, in most homes, leave the hot water

tank at around 60C, then cools as it moves through the house. If you add hot

water from the tap, you will get minimal evaporation of alcohol. However if you

put the tincture in a teacup, and add boiling water from the kettle, you should

get some evaporation of alcohol until the water cools down below 78C.

I have recommended this method to dozens upon dozens of patients over the years

who claim to be very sensitive to alcohol are are particularly concerned about

taking tinctures in the morning. So far, every patient who has tried it has

said that it worked for them. It would be very interesting to check to see how

much alcohol is actually lost by this method. Does anyone have the means to do

this?

Loreen Dawson, ND

Sechelt, BC

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