Re: gluten-free vs. grain-free

[Guest guest]

> It WILL be interesting to see long-term studies on vegetarians.

However,

> since they are being compared to the Twinkie and Big Mac consuming

> REST of the country, it may be a tie. Maybe they should compare

vegans

> to low-carbers ...

heh, I don't know about comparing vegans to low carbers. If the

study allowed for any of processed low-carb foods that are readily

available then it might be a wash too. Most of those processed foods

contain wheat gluten as a kind of starch replacer/filler. They

figure it's okay since it's a protein.

Ghislaine

[Guest guest]

From: " Heidi Schuppenhauer " <heidis@...>

> >It'll be interesting to see as it unfolds whether or not it truly

is

> >the wheat/gluten itself, or some other factor(s), <snip>

> It will be interesting. Based on the problems found in the Egyptian

> and Assyrian mummies though, I wouldn't guess the issue is " modern

> preparation " . Look at King Tut ... he has that narrow face, and the

> mummies had tons of sinus problems. Your average Korean who

> eats a high-rice diet does not have a narrow face, or tooth

crowding.

> Most of the problems that are now associated with wheat started

> really getting bad in the 1700-1800's, around the time wheat started

getting

> more available, but before pesticides etc.

Seems pretty evident that wheat is the culprit. Though again it could

be due to some other factor(s) not being taken into consideration.

> At this point everyone has to make their own decisions. And shoot,

> even if they PROVED wheat causes cancer etc., people will still eat

it ...

> look at smoking.

It's amazing, and I don't understand that kind of mentality. What food

(or cigarette or drug) is worth one's health and the possible

shortening of their life?

I once came out of the hospital after visiting someone there and

walked past a patient just outside the front door, dressed in her

hospital gown and attached to oxygen, AND smoking a cigarette. I could

hardly believe what I was seeing. But I imagine someone like that will

smoke up to her dying day, even with the knowledge that it is killing

her.

~ Fern

[Guest guest]

>heh, I don't know about comparing vegans to low carbers. If the

>study allowed for any of processed low-carb foods that are readily

>available then it might be a wash too. Most of those processed foods

>contain wheat gluten as a kind of starch replacer/filler. They

>figure it's okay since it's a protein.

>

>Ghislaine

Good point. How about vegans vs. Paleos? :--)

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

>I once came out of the hospital after visiting someone there and

>walked past a patient just outside the front door, dressed in her

>hospital gown and attached to oxygen, AND smoking a cigarette. I could

>hardly believe what I was seeing. But I imagine someone like that will

>smoke up to her dying day, even with the knowledge that it is killing

>her.

>

>~ Fern

Nicotine is a powerful drug, and it actually helps a number of mental

problems. Helps prevent Alzheirmer's maybe. They are trying to

develop something similar to nicotine but without the addictive

qualities, maybe that will help. It does seem to be a really, really

hard habit to quit. It's one I'm glad I didn't start!

-- Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:04:16 -0800

Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

>

> At this point everyone has to make their own decisions. And shoot,

> even if they PROVED wheat causes cancer etc., people will still eat it ...

> look at smoking. I just won't feed it to MY family (OK, I admit it,

> I don't buy them cigarettes either. Or factory farmed meat if I can

> help it).

Just curious, what proof is there that smoking causes cancer?

War, the God That Failed

http://tinyurl.com/2npch

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

[Guest guest]

Smoking does acidify the body which lowers the immune response which in turn

opens the door for ANYTHING.

C

Re: gluten-free vs. grain-free

>

> On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 23:04:16 -0800

> Heidi Schuppenhauer <heidis@...> wrote:

>

>

> >

> > At this point everyone has to make their own decisions. And shoot,

> > even if they PROVED wheat causes cancer etc., people will still eat it

....

> > look at smoking. I just won't feed it to MY family (OK, I admit it,

> > I don't buy them cigarettes either. Or factory farmed meat if I can

> > help it).

>

> Just curious, what proof is there that smoking causes cancer?

>

>

> War, the God That Failed

> http://tinyurl.com/2npch

>

> " They told just the same,

> That just because a tyrant has the might

> By force of arms to murder men downright

> And burn down house and home and leave all flat

> They call the man a captain, just for that.

> But since an outlaw with his little band

> Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

> Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

> He only earns the title of a thief. "

> --Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>> At this point everyone has to make their own decisions. And shoot,

>> even if they PROVED wheat causes cancer etc., people will still eat it ...

>> look at smoking. I just won't feed it to MY family (OK, I admit it,

>> I don't buy them cigarettes either. Or factory farmed meat if I can

>> help it).

>

>Just curious, what proof is there that smoking causes cancer?

>

>

You know, I used to get into that debate with my ex-MIT ... she

died of lung cancer about 10 years ago. Most of the Marlborough

men died of lung cancer too, I've heard. Call it a major coincidence if you want

....

or it could be the additives in the cigarettes (many of which are

considered carcinogens or outright toxins, I don't have the list

handy but it's pretty amazing what they add!). Anyway, of the folks

I've known who smoked, a high percentage did in fact die of cancer,

mainly lung and larynx, while none of the non-smokers have. Which

is proof enough for me. Emphysema is a horrid way to go too, if you've

watched anyone die of it.

My grandad smoked hough and didn't die of lung cancer ... he hand-rolled his.

He believed the problem was the additives, and he may have been right.

However it is also true that when you hand-roll them, you can't smoke near

as many.

http://www.tobacco-facts.info/

Studies indicate that nonsmokers are also adversely affected by environmental

tobacco smoke. There are 4000 chemicals in tobacco with 100 identified poisons

and 63 known drugs which cause cancer. The most talked about drug in tobacco is

nicotine. Nicotine is vasoconstrictor and a nerve toxin, it has been classified

as a class I insecticide. Other poisons include: Arsenic, Cyanide,

Formaldehyde (used to embalm bodies), Ammonia Bromide (a toilet cleaner )- Ref.

1. Each year, because of exposure to environmental tobacco smoke, an estimated

3,000 nonsmoking Americans die of lung cancer, and 300,000 children suffer from

lower respiratory tract infections.

Seems like folks that chew tobacco get more cancers of the lip

though, which would seem to indicate a connection between

the tobacco plant and cancer. Or maybe it is just that they also

had amalgam fillings and ate wheat.

Nicotine, however, has many good effects, and they are working

on a post-cursor of nicotine that will have the good effects without

the side effects. Nicotine turns into another chemical in the body

that is fairly harmless but has good effects on various mental

problems.

But given the incredible slew of information against tobacco, I'd

say the burden of proof at this point is on the person who thinks

smoking *doesn't* cause cancer.

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

> But given the incredible slew of information against tobacco, I'd

> say the burden of proof at this point is on the person who thinks

> smoking *doesn't* cause cancer.

>

>

> Heidi Jean

If natural nicotine is so addictive how come I don't know any pipe or

cigar smokers addicted?

How come pipe smokers live longer than non-smokers?

Would native north and south Americans have done something for 6000

years that causes cancer? I would say after 6000 years the burden of

proof falls on the modern health Nazis.

-Joe

[Guest guest]

Our neighbor, a tobacco chewer, is currently battling mouth cancer. Second

person i know personally who chews to get mouth cancer.

Elaine

>> Just curious, what proof is there that smoking causes cancer?

[Guest guest]

> Nicotine, however, has many good effects, and they are working

> on a post-cursor of nicotine that will have the good effects without

> the side effects. Nicotine turns into another chemical in the body

> that is fairly harmless but has good effects on various mental

> problems.

>

Dr. s the author of " The Milk Book " has a book he wrote

titled " The

Health Benefits of Tobacco " for sale on his web site.

http://www.drdouglass.com/Books/smokersparadox/index.htm

regards, Bruce (EX smoker)

[Guest guest]

> Dr. s the author of " The Milk Book " has a book he

> wrote titled " The Health Benefits of Tobacco " for sale on his web site.

> http://www.drdouglass.com/Books/smokersparadox/index.htm

>

> regards, Bruce (EX smoker)

Bruce,

Thanks for the info on the book! After getting involved with the WAPF, I

suspected tobacco got a bad rap, like saturated fats, red meat, etc, etc. One

time I was in Whole Foods and I asked if they had American Spirit natural

cigarettes (for a friend), the employees looked at me in horror - they would

NEVER sell cigarettes at Whole Foods. But they have no problem selling beer,

wine, soy, processed foods, etc.

Dan

[Guest guest]

>If natural nicotine is so addictive how come I don't know any pipe or

>cigar smokers addicted?

>

>How come pipe smokers live longer than non-smokers?

>

>Would native north and south Americans have done something for 6000

>years that causes cancer? I would say after 6000 years the burden of

>proof falls on the modern health Nazis.

>

>-Joe

Actually, there are lots of good things nicotine does. My original post was

about

what I give MY kids, and I don't give them cigarettes. I didn't say anything

about pipes

or types of tobacco etc. The smoking issue is a non-issue for me, because

frankly

even incense makes my eyes water (tho I love incense!) and I can't even take

candles

much.

However, what is interesting is that smoking seems to prevent the symptoms of

gluten intolerance ... celiac tends to occur in non-smokers. Maybe it dampens

down

the over-reactive immune system. I tend to think that nicotine does interesting

things ... when it is encased in a cigarette though, people seem to die alot, in

my experience. Esp. if they are American. The Indians didn't have modern

cigarettes, and I doubt they smoked a pack a day.

As for being a health Nazi ... I really don't care what other folks do with

their

health. Shoot heroin, eat soy, enjoy your Mc's, it isn't my business.

In my house though, yeah, I'm a dominatrix extraordinaire ... no wheat is

allowed

past the doorstep, processed food only in moderation, and you can forget

about cigarettes. If my kids decide to smoke, they can do it outside! This is

an aesthetic issue for me. Also I had to quit 2 jobs because of smoke (my eyes

got too blurry for me to even see, but the boss said the smokers had a " right "

to smoke, so I quit) and I'll be darned if I have to " quit " my own house!

Ooooh, that was a nice tirade ...

Heidi Jean

[Guest guest]

At 02:10 PM 8/24/2004, you wrote:

>Seems like folks that chew tobacco get more cancers of the lip

>though, which would seem to indicate a connection between

>the tobacco plant and cancer. Or maybe it is just that they also

>had amalgam fillings and ate wheat.

tobacco has the same problem as wheat too - not only are there all the

additives, but they've selectively bred the plant to produce more and more

nicotine. same with marijuana and thc. so ya know, indian shamans 200 years

ago might have been fine, but today...

-katja

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for the info on the book! After getting involved with the

WAPF, I suspected tobacco got a bad rap, like saturated fats, red

meat, etc, etc. One time I was in Whole Foods and I asked if they had

American Spirit natural cigarettes (for a friend), the employees

looked at me in horror - they would NEVER sell cigarettes at Whole

Foods. But they have no problem selling beer, wine, soy, processed

foods, etc.

>

> Dan

Yes, this type of attitude is perpetuated by statments like " smoking

causes cancer " . I should say eating causes cancer! Rather its

chemicals that cause cancer. Its excess that causes cancer. Its the

poor nutrient values of modern diets and our weak bodies that cause

cancer. imho

btw, I don't smoke american spirits because like all cigs its wrapped

in paper. Rather if want a small smoke I get the small cigars,

wrapped in natural tobacco leaf. More expensive though.

-Joe

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:44:21 -0400

" Colkmire " <oriana@...> wrote:

> Smoking does acidify the body which lowers the immune response which in turn

> opens the door for ANYTHING.

> C

Hi ,

Do you have a reference for this?

Kick the Habit: Don't Vote!

http://tinyurl.com/439vl

Eat fat, get thin... lift big, get small.

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:26:31 -0700

Elaine <itchyink@...> wrote:

> Our neighbor, a tobacco chewer, is currently battling mouth cancer. Second

> person i know personally who chews to get mouth cancer.

> Elaine

> >> Just curious, what proof is there that smoking causes cancer?

>

Hi Elaine,

Chewing tobacco is loaded with all kinds of additives that aren't

present in natural tobacco. It does boggle the mind when you read what

some manufacturers add to their product.

Kick the Habit: Don't Vote!

http://tinyurl.com/439vl

Eat fat, get thin... lift big, get small.

" They told just the same,

That just because a tyrant has the might

By force of arms to murder men downright

And burn down house and home and leave all flat

They call the man a captain, just for that.

But since an outlaw with his little band

Cannot bring half such mischief on the land

Or be the cause of so much harm and grief,

He only earns the title of a thief. "

--Geoffrey Chaucer, The Manciple's Tale