RE: Re: Q: insomnia- needing something immediate help.

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Thanks for the suggestions. So for a week now the patient is now having difficulty falling asleep and feels something he's taking is stimulating him. I can't imagine unda 9, 30, 1001 doing that and said if he still feels stimulated my guess would be the b vitamins in magneleveures, otherwise next to stop passifloraplex. In the meantime I've given him evergreen calm zzz to try from Chinese view than try western herbs and if nothing works start amino acids singly and repeat neuroslp test. I did kidney 1 and other calming Shen points and his mind was running the whole time. He's so stimulated right now and it's hard to understand how the drainage products can create that affect.I'll keep you posted. Oh and he's been on a gluten free diet in last 3 months but does have dairy. The main thing I see is chronic stress and anxiety.Wish me luck

Hi Alysa,

Grounding (earthing) really helps put people back into parasympathetic mode. Tell your patient to walk barefoot in the grass, sand, ocean, cement, or where ever he is in contact with the earth (asphalt does not ground). Water (dew in the grass) helps with the conductance.

Drew Sinatra

>

> Help with difficult insomnia case:

> Just recently started working with a man with history of insomnia for greater than 20 years. He has done sleep studies – no sleep apnea and they determined that it was just anxiety. He recently tried SSRI's with no effect. He will take 12mg of benadrly sometimes and that helps with falling back to sleep and also 3mg melatonin. He will take ambien as needed and tries to not take it often. He also says he has used xanax and tries to not use it often, but thinks of using more daily now. So he is getting desparate because nothing is helping him and he is needing to use ambient more often. Of late, nothing is working for him consistently (benadryl, melatonin). The insomnia started with anxiety of not getting a good night sleep and when he doesn't he is extremely tired and foggy headed. This then becomes a vicious cycle. He has tried acupuncture. He did a neuroscience test a year ago with mild adrenal subfunction and slightly elevated taurine, histamine, and dopamine. His acupuncturist gave him travacor and kavinace and travacor (contains 5htp, b vitamins, and other herbs) made him feel great for 1 week and than too energized and manic afterwards. He has a history of not reacting well to B vitamins with horrible headaches.

>

> I talked to him about creating healthy sleeping habits- turning off T.V at night, doing castor oil packs, listening to meditation tape, which he finds helpful during the daytime to help him relax, but having tried changing his night time habit of watching TV to unwind, he finds it torture. The TV just helps calm down his mind. His mind is active all the time.

>

> I started him with magneleuvers 1 packet bid, passiflora plex 10 drops tid, unda 9, 30, 1001 (5gtts tid), tilia tomentosa ½ tsp tid and he's been on it a week and every night he has sleep difficulties, and NOW he has trouble falling asleep. One day of poor sleep leaves him foggy headed. He even tried taking 250mg of valerian and reported none of that helping until he took an ambient. In the past he found he could only tolerate 25mg of valerian; 50 would make him drowsy. I am trying to help him sort things out- he is taking medications and herbs, so hard to say what makes him drowsy, but he knows the medications at least helps him fall and stay asleep. He tried increasing melatonin to 6mg and felt drowsy. Thought about using 5htp, but given the past reaction with Kavinace, not sure. He seems to be sensitive to herbs and nutrients and having opposite effect. I also suggested he eat some protein in evening just in case he's waking up due to blood sugar issues. I feel like I'm covering everything, but he's in need of something that has an immediate effect and I'm not sure what to expect of the undas?

> Any treatment suggestions? Do I have the right undas and suggestions? I told him if he gets no response we need to do evening cortisol, melatonin and neurotransmitter profile.

>

> I know we need to give treatment time, but this man doesn't see effect of treatment and reaches for his ambien when he can't sleep because he feels so dysfunctional without sleep.

>

> Thanks for reading and any help soon would be appreciated.

>

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Alysa, Are you in the San Diego area? Sobyl BunisCC: To: From: dralysa_nguyen@...Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 14:40:45 -0700Subject: Re: Re: Q: insomnia- needing something immediate help.

Thanks for the suggestions. So for a week now the patient is now having difficulty falling asleep and feels something he's taking is stimulating him. I can't imagine unda 9, 30, 1001 doing that and said if he still feels stimulated my guess would be the b vitamins in magneleveures, otherwise next to stop passifloraplex. In the meantime I've given him evergreen calm zzz to try from Chinese view than try western herbs and if nothing works start amino acids singly and repeat neuroslp test. I did kidney 1 and other calming Shen points and his mind was running the whole time. He's so stimulated right now and it's hard to understand how the drainage products can create that affect.I'll keep you posted. Oh and he's been on a gluten free diet in last 3 months but does have dairy. The main thing I see is chronic stress and anxiety.Wish me luck

Hi Alysa,

Grounding (earthing) really helps put people back into parasympathetic mode. Tell your patient to walk barefoot in the grass, sand, ocean, cement, or where ever he is in contact with the earth (asphalt does not ground). Water (dew in the grass) helps with the conductance.

Drew Sinatra

>

> Help with difficult insomnia case:

> Just recently started working with a man with history of insomnia for greater than 20 years. He has done sleep studies – no sleep apnea and they determined that it was just anxiety. He recently tried SSRI's with no effect. He will take 12mg of benadrly sometimes and that helps with falling back to sleep and also 3mg melatonin. He will take ambien as needed and tries to not take it often. He also says he has used xanax and tries to not use it often, but thinks of using more daily now. So he is getting desparate because nothing is helping him and he is needing to use ambient more often. Of late, nothing is working for him consistently (benadryl, melatonin). The insomnia started with anxiety of not getting a good night sleep and when he doesn't he is extremely tired and foggy headed. This then becomes a vicious cycle. He has tried acupuncture. He did a neuroscience test a year ago with mild adrenal subfunction and slightly elevated taurine, histamine, and dopamine. His acupuncturist gave him travacor and kavinace and travacor (contains 5htp, b vitamins, and other herbs) made him feel great for 1 week and than too energized and manic afterwards. He has a history of not reacting well to B vitamins with horrible headaches.

>

> I talked to him about creating healthy sleeping habits- turning off T.V at night, doing castor oil packs, listening to meditation tape, which he finds helpful during the daytime to help him relax, but having tried changing his night time habit of watching TV to unwind, he finds it torture. The TV just helps calm down his mind. His mind is active all the time.

>

> I started him with magneleuvers 1 packet bid, passiflora plex 10 drops tid, unda 9, 30, 1001 (5gtts tid), tilia tomentosa ½ tsp tid and he's been on it a week and every night he has sleep difficulties, and NOW he has trouble falling asleep. One day of poor sleep leaves him foggy headed. He even tried taking 250mg of valerian and reported none of that helping until he took an ambient. In the past he found he could only tolerate 25mg of valerian; 50 would make him drowsy. I am trying to help him sort things out- he is taking medications and herbs, so hard to say what makes him drowsy, but he knows the medications at least helps him fall and stay asleep. He tried increasing melatonin to 6mg and felt drowsy. Thought about using 5htp, but given the past reaction with Kavinace, not sure. He seems to be sensitive to herbs and nutrients and having opposite effect. I also suggested he eat some protein in evening just in case he's waking up due to blood sugar issues. I feel like I'm covering everything, but he's in need of something that has an immediate effect and I'm not sure what to expect of the undas?

> Any treatment suggestions? Do I have the right undas and suggestions? I told him if he gets no response we need to do evening cortisol, melatonin and neurotransmitter profile.

>

> I know we need to give treatment time, but this man doesn't see effect of treatment and reaches for his ambien when he can't sleep because he feels so dysfunctional without sleep.

>

> Thanks for reading and any help soon would be appreciated.

>

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Alysa,From this man's sxs, it seems likely he has a traumatic brain injury. He may or may not remember the incident, which often will precede sxs onset by over a year. His level of anxiety and insomnia and the fact that he is so sensitive indicate an imbalance in the brain. I would go to www.ochslabs.com to find a neurofeedback practitioner in your area to help him with this aspect. Drainage will then be a great adjunct to the neurofeedback.Best,

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Alysa, Are you in the San Diego area? Sobyl BunisCC: To: From: dralysa_nguyen@...Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 14:40:45 -0700Subject: Re: Re: Q: insomnia- needing something immediate help.

Thanks for the suggestions. So for a week now the patient is now having difficulty falling asleep and feels something he's taking is stimulating him. I can't imagine unda 9, 30, 1001 doing that and said if he still feels stimulated my guess would be the b vitamins in magneleveures, otherwise next to stop passifloraplex. In the meantime I've given him evergreen calm zzz to try from Chinese view than try western herbs and if nothing works start amino acids singly and repeat neuroslp test. I did kidney 1 and other calming Shen points and his mind was running the whole time. He's so stimulated right now and it's hard to understand how the drainage products can create that affect.I'll keep you posted. Oh and he's been on a gluten free diet in last 3 months but does have dairy. The main thing I see is chronic stress and anxiety.Wish me luck

Hi Alysa,

Grounding (earthing) really helps put people back into parasympathetic mode. Tell your patient to walk barefoot in the grass, sand, ocean, cement, or where ever he is in contact with the earth (asphalt does not ground). Water (dew in the grass) helps with the conductance.

Drew Sinatra

>

> Help with difficult insomnia case:

> Just recently started working with a man with history of insomnia for greater than 20 years. He has done sleep studies – no sleep apnea and they determined that it was just anxiety. He recently tried SSRI's with no effect. He will take 12mg of benadrly sometimes and that helps with falling back to sleep and also 3mg melatonin. He will take ambien as needed and tries to not take it often. He also says he has used xanax and tries to not use it often, but thinks of using more daily now. So he is getting desparate because nothing is helping him and he is needing to use ambient more often. Of late, nothing is working for him consistently (benadryl, melatonin). The insomnia started with anxiety of not getting a good night sleep and when he doesn't he is extremely tired and foggy headed. This then becomes a vicious cycle. He has tried acupuncture. He did a neuroscience test a year ago with mild adrenal subfunction and slightly elevated taurine, histamine, and dopamine. His acupuncturist gave him travacor and kavinace and travacor (contains 5htp, b vitamins, and other herbs) made him feel great for 1 week and than too energized and manic afterwards. He has a history of not reacting well to B vitamins with horrible headaches.

>

> I talked to him about creating healthy sleeping habits- turning off T.V at night, doing castor oil packs, listening to meditation tape, which he finds helpful during the daytime to help him relax, but having tried changing his night time habit of watching TV to unwind, he finds it torture. The TV just helps calm down his mind. His mind is active all the time.

>

> I started him with magneleuvers 1 packet bid, passiflora plex 10 drops tid, unda 9, 30, 1001 (5gtts tid), tilia tomentosa ½ tsp tid and he's been on it a week and every night he has sleep difficulties, and NOW he has trouble falling asleep. One day of poor sleep leaves him foggy headed. He even tried taking 250mg of valerian and reported none of that helping until he took an ambient. In the past he found he could only tolerate 25mg of valerian; 50 would make him drowsy. I am trying to help him sort things out- he is taking medications and herbs, so hard to say what makes him drowsy, but he knows the medications at least helps him fall and stay asleep. He tried increasing melatonin to 6mg and felt drowsy. Thought about using 5htp, but given the past reaction with Kavinace, not sure. He seems to be sensitive to herbs and nutrients and having opposite effect. I also suggested he eat some protein in evening just in case he's waking up due to blood sugar issues. I feel like I'm covering everything, but he's in need of something that has an immediate effect and I'm not sure what to expect of the undas?

> Any treatment suggestions? Do I have the right undas and suggestions? I told him if he gets no response we need to do evening cortisol, melatonin and neurotransmitter profile.

>

> I know we need to give treatment time, but this man doesn't see effect of treatment and reaches for his ambien when he can't sleep because he feels so dysfunctional without sleep.

>

> Thanks for reading and any help soon would be appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

Alysa, You happen to be in San Diego where the doctor who developed Neuro Emotional Technique has his office. Your patient has chronic stress and anxiety and seems to be having paradoxical responses to reasonable and well thought out programs. I often find that even the best programs will be ineffective and will "bounce off" of the deeper emotional patterns if they are not addressed. Dr. in Encinitas developed NET 24 years ago and it is practiced by over 6000 doctors of all types around the world. It is being taught in chiropractic and medical school and has a fabulous research foundation with many studies published in peer reviewed journals. He teaches all over the world but his wife Dr. Deb is still in practice and might be able to get to the roots of your patient's anxiety and stress. NET is gentle and highly effective for clearing out where old emotional trauma is locked into the nerves and meridians. The technique is based in large part on Chinese medicine principles so I know it will make sense to you. You can find the s and other certified practitioners on netmindbody.com. I don't know how I would practice without NET or some other mind/body system since so many of our patients have these unconscious patterns locked into the body/mind wreaking havoc or at the very least, blocking the healing energy. Best of luck.... Sincerely, Sobyl Bunis Santa Barbara and San ObispoCC: To: From: dralysa_nguyen@...Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 14:40:45 -0700Subject: Re: Re: Q: insomnia- needing something immediate help.

Thanks for the suggestions. So for a week now the patient is now having difficulty falling asleep and feels something he's taking is stimulating him. I can't imagine unda 9, 30, 1001 doing that and said if he still feels stimulated my guess would be the b vitamins in magneleveures, otherwise next to stop passifloraplex. In the meantime I've given him evergreen calm zzz to try from Chinese view than try western herbs and if nothing works start amino acids singly and repeat neuroslp test. I did kidney 1 and other calming Shen points and his mind was running the whole time. He's so stimulated right now and it's hard to understand how the drainage products can create that affect.I'll keep you posted. Oh and he's been on a gluten free diet in last 3 months but does have dairy. The main thing I see is chronic stress and anxiety.Wish me luck

Hi Alysa,

Grounding (earthing) really helps put people back into parasympathetic mode. Tell your patient to walk barefoot in the grass, sand, ocean, cement, or where ever he is in contact with the earth (asphalt does not ground). Water (dew in the grass) helps with the conductance.

Drew Sinatra

>

> Help with difficult insomnia case:

> Just recently started working with a man with history of insomnia for greater than 20 years. He has done sleep studies – no sleep apnea and they determined that it was just anxiety. He recently tried SSRI's with no effect. He will take 12mg of benadrly sometimes and that helps with falling back to sleep and also 3mg melatonin. He will take ambien as needed and tries to not take it often. He also says he has used xanax and tries to not use it often, but thinks of using more daily now. So he is getting desparate because nothing is helping him and he is needing to use ambient more often. Of late, nothing is working for him consistently (benadryl, melatonin). The insomnia started with anxiety of not getting a good night sleep and when he doesn't he is extremely tired and foggy headed. This then becomes a vicious cycle. He has tried acupuncture. He did a neuroscience test a year ago with mild adrenal subfunction and slightly elevated taurine, histamine, and dopamine. His acupuncturist gave him travacor and kavinace and travacor (contains 5htp, b vitamins, and other herbs) made him feel great for 1 week and than too energized and manic afterwards. He has a history of not reacting well to B vitamins with horrible headaches.

>

> I talked to him about creating healthy sleeping habits- turning off T.V at night, doing castor oil packs, listening to meditation tape, which he finds helpful during the daytime to help him relax, but having tried changing his night time habit of watching TV to unwind, he finds it torture. The TV just helps calm down his mind. His mind is active all the time.

>

> I started him with magneleuvers 1 packet bid, passiflora plex 10 drops tid, unda 9, 30, 1001 (5gtts tid), tilia tomentosa ½ tsp tid and he's been on it a week and every night he has sleep difficulties, and NOW he has trouble falling asleep. One day of poor sleep leaves him foggy headed. He even tried taking 250mg of valerian and reported none of that helping until he took an ambient. In the past he found he could only tolerate 25mg of valerian; 50 would make him drowsy. I am trying to help him sort things out- he is taking medications and herbs, so hard to say what makes him drowsy, but he knows the medications at least helps him fall and stay asleep. He tried increasing melatonin to 6mg and felt drowsy. Thought about using 5htp, but given the past reaction with Kavinace, not sure. He seems to be sensitive to herbs and nutrients and having opposite effect. I also suggested he eat some protein in evening just in case he's waking up due to blood sugar issues. I feel like I'm covering everything, but he's in need of something that has an immediate effect and I'm not sure what to expect of the undas?

> Any treatment suggestions? Do I have the right undas and suggestions? I told him if he gets no response we need to do evening cortisol, melatonin and neurotransmitter profile.

>

> I know we need to give treatment time, but this man doesn't see effect of treatment and reaches for his ambien when he can't sleep because he feels so dysfunctional without sleep.

>

> Thanks for reading and any help soon would be appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

Just one more point Alysa to add to all the fantastic perspectives for body mind treatments. If I've read carefully it sounds like, due to his apparent need, you immediately addressed nervous system. He's been unbalanced for a long time, if you think he is luetic miasm then it would be good to go back and drain the liver and overall toxinic load before continuing nervous system drainage. I've done this too, of going right for the "obvious", but the underpinnings are crucial. Even the typical soothing unda drainage can be too emotionally stirring. And consider Gm MnCo.I have had a client have inverse reaction to Travacor and they say their are a handful of people who do respond inversely.

Alysa, You happen to be in San Diego where the doctor who developed Neuro Emotional Technique has his office. Your patient has chronic stress and anxiety and seems to be having paradoxical responses to reasonable and well thought out programs. I often find that even the best programs will be ineffective and will "bounce off" of the deeper emotional patterns if they are not addressed. Dr. in Encinitas developed NET 24 years ago and it is practiced by over 6000 doctors of all types around the world. It is being taught in chiropractic and medical school and has a fabulous research foundation with many studies published in peer reviewed journals. He teaches all over the world but his wife Dr. Deb is still in practice and might be able to get to the roots of your patient's anxiety and stress. NET is gentle and highly effective for clearing out where old emotional trauma is locked into the nerves and meridians. The technique is based in large part on Chinese medicine principles so I know it will make sense to you. You can find the s and other certified practitioners on netmindbody.com. I don't know how I would practice without NET or some other mind/body system since so many of our patients have these unconscious patterns locked into the body/mind wreaking havoc or at the very least, blocking the healing energy. Best of luck.... Sincerely, Sobyl Bunis Santa Barbara and San ObispoCC: To: From: dralysa_nguyen@...Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 14:40:45 -0700Subject: Re: Re: Q: insomnia- needing something immediate help.

Thanks for the suggestions. So for a week now the patient is now having difficulty falling asleep and feels something he's taking is stimulating him. I can't imagine unda 9, 30, 1001 doing that and said if he still feels stimulated my guess would be the b vitamins in magneleveures, otherwise next to stop passifloraplex. In the meantime I've given him evergreen calm zzz to try from Chinese view than try western herbs and if nothing works start amino acids singly and repeat neuroslp test. I did kidney 1 and other calming Shen points and his mind was running the whole time. He's so stimulated right now and it's hard to understand how the drainage products can create that affect.I'll keep you posted. Oh and he's been on a gluten free diet in last 3 months but does have dairy. The main thing I see is chronic stress and anxiety.Wish me luck

Hi Alysa,

Grounding (earthing) really helps put people back into parasympathetic mode. Tell your patient to walk barefoot in the grass, sand, ocean, cement, or where ever he is in contact with the earth (asphalt does not ground). Water (dew in the grass) helps with the conductance.

Drew Sinatra

>

> Help with difficult insomnia case:

> Just recently started working with a man with history of insomnia for greater than 20 years. He has done sleep studies – no sleep apnea and they determined that it was just anxiety. He recently tried SSRI's with no effect. He will take 12mg of benadrly sometimes and that helps with falling back to sleep and also 3mg melatonin. He will take ambien as needed and tries to not take it often. He also says he has used xanax and tries to not use it often, but thinks of using more daily now. So he is getting desparate because nothing is helping him and he is needing to use ambient more often. Of late, nothing is working for him consistently (benadryl, melatonin). The insomnia started with anxiety of not getting a good night sleep and when he doesn't he is extremely tired and foggy headed. This then becomes a vicious cycle. He has tried acupuncture. He did a neuroscience test a year ago with mild adrenal subfunction and slightly elevated taurine, histamine, and dopamine. His acupuncturist gave him travacor and kavinace and travacor (contains 5htp, b vitamins, and other herbs) made him feel great for 1 week and than too energized and manic afterwards. He has a history of not reacting well to B vitamins with horrible headaches.

>

> I talked to him about creating healthy sleeping habits- turning off T.V at night, doing castor oil packs, listening to meditation tape, which he finds helpful during the daytime to help him relax, but having tried changing his night time habit of watching TV to unwind, he finds it torture. The TV just helps calm down his mind. His mind is active all the time.

>

> I started him with magneleuvers 1 packet bid, passiflora plex 10 drops tid, unda 9, 30, 1001 (5gtts tid), tilia tomentosa ½ tsp tid and he's been on it a week and every night he has sleep difficulties, and NOW he has trouble falling asleep. One day of poor sleep leaves him foggy headed. He even tried taking 250mg of valerian and reported none of that helping until he took an ambient. In the past he found he could only tolerate 25mg of valerian; 50 would make him drowsy. I am trying to help him sort things out- he is taking medications and herbs, so hard to say what makes him drowsy, but he knows the medications at least helps him fall and stay asleep. He tried increasing melatonin to 6mg and felt drowsy. Thought about using 5htp, but given the past reaction with Kavinace, not sure. He seems to be sensitive to herbs and nutrients and having opposite effect. I also suggested he eat some protein in evening just in case he's waking up due to blood sugar issues. I feel like I'm covering everything, but he's in need of something that has an immediate effect and I'm not sure what to expect of the undas?

> Any treatment suggestions? Do I have the right undas and suggestions? I told him if he gets no response we need to do evening cortisol, melatonin and neurotransmitter profile.

>

> I know we need to give treatment time, but this man doesn't see effect of treatment and reaches for his ambien when he can't sleep because he feels so dysfunctional without sleep.

>

> Thanks for reading and any help soon would be appreciated.

>