Re.. rant about attention from bureaucracy

[Guest guest]

If you think the big dairies are going to " change their ways " you

are unclear on the concept.

The corporate interests under which America now suffers are the

direct descendants of those invented in the ancient Roman empire. By

definition they are soul-less creatures of the state. Their first and

last reason for existence is to make a profit. Without a death-

date, these " persons " do what is only logical for their self-

interests ... crush all competition, by fair means or foul. Not only

do they have no alliegance to any country, they are inherently

opposed to nationalism.

Corporate interests subvert the legal system of the places where

they carry on commerce, so that the law evolves to put their " right "

to profit ahead of the interests of the clans and native humans

being. Such a situation - the government overtaken by corporate

interests - is called fascism. Step outside your door and see what

it looks like.

The same thing is happening in America - speeded up by electronics -

as destroyed the ancient Roman Empire ... the 'war party' has

perverted the powers and dignity and resources of the nation for

profit. All that jingoistic noise is the biggest piece of non-sense

since your last war. In case you missed it, the official policy

taught for the last generation at your War College is the Orwellian

oxymoron = " perpetual war for permanent peace " .

How that impacts your local supply of real food / REAL milk is that

the life-blood of corporate existence is usury. It is THE method

whereby the Republic has been subverted. Denied a level playing

field in terms of credit and capital, the yeoman simply cannot

compete with the combined forces of the state and the corporate

interests. The symbol of fascism - the axehead with the bundle of

rods for the handle - displays that idea graphicly. Just a mere co-

incidence you people have it on your coins ... the quarter and the

dime? Just another co-incidence it's there on each side of the Chair

of the Senate ?

Huey Long said " when fascism comes to America, you can be sure it

will be called anti-fascism' " I could go on, but Tupper Saussy has

summed it up brilliantly in his books " Rulers of Evil " and " Gods for

the Godless "

My point ? My point is that the movement for real food / REAL milk

is a labour of love. Local control of our food supply is one

of the most important ways to even stay alive under totalitarianism.

As much as possible, stay away from letting Big Brother in on the

action. Take responsibility for yourself and your own family ... in

this case, demand high standards of milk quality. We have to operate

in a way not available to the corporate interests, ie sincere human

caring, often called " love " .

Yes, the dark night is falling, but it will not last forever.

Gordon , Burnaby B. C.

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> I feel the opposite. Much more positive about it. I believe the

more people that want raw/real milk, the more pressure it will put on

the big dairies to change their ways.

>

> Let's be realisitic: Those of us who have the cows and real milk

certainly are NOT going to change the way we do things. We do not

want and will NOT be regulated. Cow Share Programs are for the

benefit of the people who want real milk. Those shareholders don't

want the government involved in what they eat/drink, so you aren't

going to see them wanting regs to screw up the milk. Those people

who are not careful with their milk will lose customers. That's a

natural way of regulation.

>

> Just my opinion.

>

> K.C.

> Maybe it's just me.... rant

>

>

> OK, I guess I am selfish, horrible and all that other stuff. Am

I wrong for not being in any particular hurry to share my raw dairy

and it's wonders with others?

>

> I feel bad.... kinda. But not really. May I explain?

>

> I sincerely feel that all should have the benefits of raw milk.

I also feel that if too many find out about it then it could be

disastrous.

>

> I have a wonderful " non-certified " organic farmer, who is helping

me tremendously with the raw milk. I share my milk with a friend but

that is it. I think that if too many uninformed people found out

about raw dairy, it would loose it's purity. I am not interested in

recognition from the people or the government. From there you have

people who will come down with the SLIGHTEST bug and IMMEDIATELY

blame the milk, booch or whatever natural, whole-food that they may

be consuming. If the government gets involved, it become more

regulations, rules, fees, the price goes up along with the troubles

for the farmer. I just cannot see it being a good thing.

>

> The reason I am going off on a tangent is because every time I

see a post about an article, news show or what not, I literally feel

the noose being tightened around my neck. I feel my sources being

choked out because more awareness means more awareness, possibly from

sources that you don't want aware. IMHO, once things become

regulated, they are no longer pure. I like things just as they are.

Am I making sense, or just incredibly paranoid?

>

> Michele

[Guest guest]

I didn't say I think they would change. One can hope for the best in all instances.

Didn't mean to get your feathers ruffled. I'm against what they do as well, but you needn't go into a diatribe about it.

K.C.

Maybe it's just me.... rant> > > OK, I guess I am selfish, horrible and all that other stuff. Am I wrong for not being in any particular hurry to share my raw dairy and it's wonders with others?> > I feel bad.... kinda. But not really. May I explain?> > I sincerely feel that all should have the benefits of raw milk. I also feel that if too many find out about it then it could be disastrous. > > I have a wonderful "non-certified" organic farmer, who is helping me tremendously with the raw milk. I share my milk with a friend but that is it. I think that if too many uninformed people found out about raw dairy, it would loose it's purity. I am not interested in recognition from the people or the government. From there you have people who will come down with the SLIGHTEST bug and IMMEDIATELY blame the milk, booch or whatever natural, whole-food that they may be consuming. If the government gets involved, it become more regulations, rules, fees, the price goes up along with the troubles for the farmer. I just cannot see it being a good thing.> > The reason I am going off on a tangent is because every time I see a post about an article, news show or what not, I literally feel the noose being tightened around my neck. I feel my sources being choked out because more awareness means more awareness, possibly from sources that you don't want aware. IMHO, once things become regulated, they are no longer pure. I like things just as they are. Am I making sense, or just incredibly paranoid?> > MichelePLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

I didn't say I think they would change. One can hope for the best in all instances.

Didn't mean to get your feathers ruffled. I'm against what they do as well, but you needn't go into a diatribe about it.

K.C.

Maybe it's just me.... rant> > > OK, I guess I am selfish, horrible and all that other stuff. Am I wrong for not being in any particular hurry to share my raw dairy and it's wonders with others?> > I feel bad.... kinda. But not really. May I explain?> > I sincerely feel that all should have the benefits of raw milk. I also feel that if too many find out about it then it could be disastrous. > > I have a wonderful "non-certified" organic farmer, who is helping me tremendously with the raw milk. I share my milk with a friend but that is it. I think that if too many uninformed people found out about raw dairy, it would loose it's purity. I am not interested in recognition from the people or the government. From there you have people who will come down with the SLIGHTEST bug and IMMEDIATELY blame the milk, booch or whatever natural, whole-food that they may be consuming. If the government gets involved, it become more regulations, rules, fees, the price goes up along with the troubles for the farmer. I just cannot see it being a good thing.> > The reason I am going off on a tangent is because every time I see a post about an article, news show or what not, I literally feel the noose being tightened around my neck. I feel my sources being choked out because more awareness means more awareness, possibly from sources that you don't want aware. IMHO, once things become regulated, they are no longer pure. I like things just as they are. Am I making sense, or just incredibly paranoid?> > MichelePLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

> I liked Gordon's diatribe. So much so that I printed

> it for my husband to read.

>

> Marilyn from Fayette

>

>

Hear, hear.

Here is a small portion of my own diatribe.

REgardless of the government you live under, I find that the average

citizen can easily find himself crushed under the weight of

bureaucracy, particularly when engaging in activities

considered " outside the norm " and even more so when trying to find

help or support in efforts to change the status quo to include his

activities. It is inherently risky to attempt this. However, if it

is important enough to you to accept this risk, go for it. And if

the risks frighten you and intimidate you, then the best solution, as

Gordon has suggested, is to find a way to be self-sufficient. Not

asking for help makes you less of a target. If you want real milk,

you may have to face the fact that there might come a time when the

only way to do this is to own a cow/goat/sheep. Whichever path you

choose is bound to be a struggle. But if you didn't find the

struggle and the potential outcome to be rewarding in its own way,

you would probably just settle for 9 to 5 and Mcs and Walmart

and gas-guzzling SUV's (and pastuerized, homogonized swill) like the

majority of America. I think/hope that I can safely say the people

on this list are genuinely seeking something different (better?).

I do not find Michele to be paranoid or pessimistic for seeing risks

in such a political battle. The corporations who oppose raw milk have

far greater resources and therefore greater influence in both public

opinion and political arenas. And the more attention the raw milk

issue gets, the more Cease & Desist orders I hear about for cow share

programs, etc. (please correct me if this is an inaccurate perception)

It becomes harder and harder for a small farmer to sell his

product " under the radar " of government officials, and increased

demand for his product makes this harder yet.

Nevertheless, this issue has been brought into the light and will not

be lightly swept under the rug with real milk consumers and producers

blithely returning to their business. So far, no one has stopped the

world, so I can get off.

All done now,

e

[Guest guest]

I agree completely with what you have said. I went to the cow share program so they couldn't take my cow and everything else I own.

I'm a believer in the Constitution and believe they (the government) can't stop what I want to do with my life. I have fought them and have won. Anyone can. They don't like people who are willing to go public or fight and they want to hush such things up as soon as possible. Although the present government is trying to do away with the Constitution, it's up to the little guys like us to hold fast to our belief systems and be strong.

K.C.

Re: Re.. rant about attention from bureaucracy

> I liked Gordon's diatribe. So much so that I printed> it for my husband to read.> > Marilyn from Fayette> >Hear, hear. Here is a small portion of my own diatribe.REgardless of the government you live under, I find that the average citizen can easily find himself crushed under the weight of bureaucracy, particularly when engaging in activities considered "outside the norm" and even more so when trying to find help or support in efforts to change the status quo to include his activities. It is inherently risky to attempt this. However, if it is important enough to you to accept this risk, go for it. And if the risks frighten you and intimidate you, then the best solution, as Gordon has suggested, is to find a way to be self-sufficient. Not asking for help makes you less of a target. If you want real milk, you may have to face the fact that there might come a time when the only way to do this is to own a cow/goat/sheep. Whichever path you choose is bound to be a struggle. But if you didn't find the struggle and the potential outcome to be rewarding in its own way, you would probably just settle for 9 to 5 and Mcs and Walmart and gas-guzzling SUV's (and pastuerized, homogonized swill) like the majority of America. I think/hope that I can safely say the people on this list are genuinely seeking something different (better?).I do not find Michele to be paranoid or pessimistic for seeing risks in such a political battle. The corporations who oppose raw milk have far greater resources and therefore greater influence in both public opinion and political arenas. And the more attention the raw milk issue gets, the more Cease & Desist orders I hear about for cow share programs, etc. (please correct me if this is an inaccurate perception)It becomes harder and harder for a small farmer to sell his product "under the radar" of government officials, and increased demand for his product makes this harder yet. Nevertheless, this issue has been brought into the light and will not be lightly swept under the rug with real milk consumers and producers blithely returning to their business. So far, no one has stopped the world, so I can get off.All done now,e PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

I agree completely with what you have said. I went to the cow share program so they couldn't take my cow and everything else I own.

I'm a believer in the Constitution and believe they (the government) can't stop what I want to do with my life. I have fought them and have won. Anyone can. They don't like people who are willing to go public or fight and they want to hush such things up as soon as possible. Although the present government is trying to do away with the Constitution, it's up to the little guys like us to hold fast to our belief systems and be strong.

K.C.

Re: Re.. rant about attention from bureaucracy

> I liked Gordon's diatribe. So much so that I printed> it for my husband to read.> > Marilyn from Fayette> >Hear, hear. Here is a small portion of my own diatribe.REgardless of the government you live under, I find that the average citizen can easily find himself crushed under the weight of bureaucracy, particularly when engaging in activities considered "outside the norm" and even more so when trying to find help or support in efforts to change the status quo to include his activities. It is inherently risky to attempt this. However, if it is important enough to you to accept this risk, go for it. And if the risks frighten you and intimidate you, then the best solution, as Gordon has suggested, is to find a way to be self-sufficient. Not asking for help makes you less of a target. If you want real milk, you may have to face the fact that there might come a time when the only way to do this is to own a cow/goat/sheep. Whichever path you choose is bound to be a struggle. But if you didn't find the struggle and the potential outcome to be rewarding in its own way, you would probably just settle for 9 to 5 and Mcs and Walmart and gas-guzzling SUV's (and pastuerized, homogonized swill) like the majority of America. I think/hope that I can safely say the people on this list are genuinely seeking something different (better?).I do not find Michele to be paranoid or pessimistic for seeing risks in such a political battle. The corporations who oppose raw milk have far greater resources and therefore greater influence in both public opinion and political arenas. And the more attention the raw milk issue gets, the more Cease & Desist orders I hear about for cow share programs, etc. (please correct me if this is an inaccurate perception)It becomes harder and harder for a small farmer to sell his product "under the radar" of government officials, and increased demand for his product makes this harder yet. Nevertheless, this issue has been brought into the light and will not be lightly swept under the rug with real milk consumers and producers blithely returning to their business. So far, no one has stopped the world, so I can get off.All done now,e PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

He didn't sound upset to me. He was just stating the

facts. And it never crossed my mind that you thought

it was bad.

Marilyn,

who appreciates every contributor on this forum

--- Tinybabe wrote:

> I didn't say it was bad. I just didn't mean to get

> him upset.

>

> K.C.

> Re: Re.. rant about attention

> from bureaucracy

>

>

> I liked Gordon's diatribe. So much so that I

> printed

> it for my husband to read.

>

> Marilyn from Fayette

>

> --- Tinybabe wrote:

>

> > Didn't mean to get your feathers ruffled. I'm

> > against what they do as well, but you needn't go

> > into a diatribe about it.

> >

> > K.C.

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" The more you are away from nature

the more there is cause for illness and

you will automatically support global corporations. " .

--- HRM from Sungazing article

Like a chess game, your health is the sum of every mistake you've made.

--- Steve Richfield

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[Guest guest]

He didn't sound upset to me. He was just stating the

facts. And it never crossed my mind that you thought

it was bad.

Marilyn,

who appreciates every contributor on this forum

--- Tinybabe wrote:

> I didn't say it was bad. I just didn't mean to get

> him upset.

>

> K.C.

> Re: Re.. rant about attention

> from bureaucracy

>

>

> I liked Gordon's diatribe. So much so that I

> printed

> it for my husband to read.

>

> Marilyn from Fayette

>

> --- Tinybabe wrote:

>

> > Didn't mean to get your feathers ruffled. I'm

> > against what they do as well, but you needn't go

> > into a diatribe about it.

> >

> > K.C.

=====

" The more you are away from nature

the more there is cause for illness and

you will automatically support global corporations. " .

--- HRM from Sungazing article

Like a chess game, your health is the sum of every mistake you've made.

--- Steve Richfield

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