Jim Bare -Re: I finally found The most advanced frequency generator ever built

[Guest guest]

Hi Margie?

Sorry, don't know what to call you since you didn't sign a name, I

always like to address real people rather than aliases! I assume your

name is Margie from your email address?

You've asked some really good questions and I think it's time that

someone explained properly these issues all in one place so everybody

can understand clearly what they are and how they relate. I've

explained many parts of this before in separate postings which you've

obviously seen, but I've never bothered to put it all together into a

consistent whole.

O.K. Lets me address the issue of frequencies.

I believe that Rife started his experiments using loosely coupled

coils, he says he did in several different places, and in one part of

the Rife tapes he tells someone how he tuned his earliest machine by

pushing the coils in and out using a rod. This is absolutely

consistent with the use of a loose coupler. What is a loose coupler,

you ask?! It's just a couple of wire coils, usually with one that

fits inside the other and the inside one can be slid into and out of

the larger one. It's basically a form of variable

inductor/transformer. These kind of devices were used in the early

radio days. Many of the crude early radio transmitters consisted of

simple circuits with loose couplers. The idea was that a low

frequency pulse, i.e audio was applied to one of the coils, and the

pair would then " ring " with a much higher frequency RF oscillation.

This would then be transmitted. The actual information content of the

signal would be the low frequency bursts i.e. morse code signals etc.

Later as these systems developed it would found that the coils could

be made to self oscillate and this oscillation could be varied by a

direct audio input, what is nowadays known as " AM " or amplitude

modulation.

Given the developments of the time, and also things like the

oscilloscope traces of Rife's original machine, it is clear that Rife

was definitely using an audio component in his earliest work, and he

was also creating noisy, messy signals with many harmonics. Of course

he DIDN'T have an oscilloscope at that time and probably didn't know this.

Now, despite the fact that there was some audio IN (and naturally

there was some audio OUT as well), the main component of the

transmitted signal was largely RF, in effect there was a mixture of

various frequencies and harmonics output. Such a machine would be

illegal today because of it's uncontrolled RF emissions (illegal in

terms of things like FCC and other international transmission

regulations I mean).

The point is that however it was done, the machine certainly emitted

BOTH audio and RF components. The question then is, which of them

caused the alleged bioeffects?

In 1934, Rife's original machine broke down (after the Scripps clinic

trial). The poor thing was probably knackered from all the use! :-)

For some reason Rife didn't (or maybe COULDN'T - more on that later)

fix it himself, so Milbank called in a radio engineer called

Philip Hoyland to fix it - which he did. was so impressed

with Hoyland's skill that he then asked him to make a new machine, in

effect a copy of the original machine but with some improvements to

make it more stable and much more portable, because by all accounts

Rife's original machine was pretty crude and unwieldy.

Hoyland was supposed to make the new machine under Rife's supervision,

but Hoyland later testified in a court case that he had no supervision

or guidance from Rife and made the machine entirely to his own design.

But the machine was based on Rife's original. In particular, Hoyland

had to measure the frequencies from the original and transfer them to

his new machine.

What Hoyland did was to get Rife to set up a bacterial sample, tune in

the machine to an MOR until the sample " blew up " or whatever and then

Hoyland used a properly calibrated master oscillator to tune to the

same frequency (presumably using the BFO - beat frequency principle).

Once he had done that, he had the true, actual frequency that was the

real MOR. The new machine was then completed (and it was called the

Rife Ray No 4). This machine was completely new. It had two

independent frequency channels so you could set two MOR's at the same

time. The reason for this was because Rife had found that most

bacteria had two active forms, there was a frequency that would

" devitalise " the original bacteria itself, and another, different

frequency that would devitalise the so called " filter passing form " .

Rife himself noted in that in some cases, particularly tuberculosis,

it was essential to destroy both forms simultaneously. If you

targetted only one, say the bacterial form, the filter passing form

would grow unchecked and could even kill the patient. Which is

exactly what Rife observed with his earliest tuberculosis cases.

Now, from our point of view there is one problem. We have the

frequencies of the No 4 machine for various conditions (they're on

Stan Truman's web site and I'll list them at the end of this post). We

know these frequencies are true frequencies and we know that they

worked, because Hoyland, Rife, and Jack Free tested them

against the pathogens and confirmed them step by step. So what's the

problem? The problem is that they are DIFFERENT to the frequencies

listed in the original Rife lab notes!

So what's going on? Well the answer is actually quite simple.

Hoyland explained it at the Beam Rays trial. He said that Rife's

original frequencies were not the TRUE MOR's, but instead they were

harmonics of the true MOR's. He explained that the reason why Rife

had ended up measuring harmonics was because of his method of

measurement was crude and involved " lines " . Hoyland maintained that

HIS method of measuring was much more sophisticated and more accurate.

We need to examine this more closely in terms of the history and if we

do, we can see that this makes perfect sense. The one big problem for

all radio engineers in the late 1920's early 1930's was accurate

frequency measurement. There were various devices around for

frequency measurement which were called " wavemeters " . Every major

manufacturer was working flat out to develop better and more accurate

wavemeters. The problem was solved in the early 1930's, around 1933

when good quality " master oscillator " type wavemeters capable of

reading in direct frequency terms (i.e. Hertz) became widely available

(they were around before that but were difficult to obtain and were

expensive). Prior to that, frequency measurements were made in

various ways. One of them, which was the crudest, but which was also

considered to be the most accurate was to use " Lecher lines " . This is

a form of parallel transmission line in which nodes and antinodes of

standing waves could be measured as a function of position. The

reading from one of these was in meters and was the wavelength. The

frequency then had to be calculated from the wavelength. There were

other methods as well, but the Lecher lines were still the choice of

high end laboratories for accurate wavelength measurement.

But there was one problem with the Lecher type wavemeters. It was

sensitivity. They were notoriously insensitive to low level RF

signals, so the best wavemeters needed to employ some sort of front

end amplification. The best (i.e. most sensitive) radio amplifier

known at the time (and arguably STILL the best today) was the super

regenerative circuit. Basically the super regen amplifer was a kind

of oscillator that would lock on to a dominant signal and amplify it

multiple times right up to the point of self oscillation. But before

it went into full self oscillation, the oscillation would be

" quenched " with a signal of a different frequency. So the ideal

laboratory wavemeter was a super regenerative system attached to some

Lecher lines. The frequency that you would end up measuring was

literally the frequency that the super regen stage was oscillating at.

If you had to call it something, the most literally correct

description of what was measured would be the wavelength of super

regeneration in the circuit.

The way the correct wavelength point was measured varied with the

equipment used, but the most common forms were a neon lamp which would

light up or go out at the correct wavelength, or a pair of headphones

which would suddenly go noisy or silent at the measurement point.

The one big drawback with the super regen detector was that for lab

use it had no selectivity. In other words you couldn't " pre- tune " it

for a particular waveband. So the actual frequency it locked on to

and measured may not be the fundamental, but just as easily could be a

dominant harmonic of the actual main frequency. If you had a messy

wave (which Rife certainly did) then there was a very strong chance

that you would end up measuring just a harmonic instead of the true

frequency.

By the time Hoyland came along, the technology had improved and was

much more readily available. Hoyland was a good engineer and was up

to date with " current " methods. He had been president of a major

Radio corporation before he met Rife.

So let's put all the above together and see what comes out. Rife's

machine created a range of output frequencies that were not

necessarily directly related (in an obvious way I mean) to the INPUT

frequencies. You could feed in audio and get RF out. Conceivably you

could do the opposite as well. There was no accurate way of measuring

the output for such complex signals at the time Rife started, and the

best methods in common use tended not to differentiate between

fundamentals and harmonics. By the time Hoyland came along, things

had progressed, and Hoyland was in a much better position to make

accurate measurements. Hoyland's measurements came out different to

Rife's and were incorporated into a newer machine which worked

perfectly when tested against the actual pathogens. The conclusion is

obvious, the Rife Ray No 4 frequencies are the TRUE Rife MOR's.

On the Rife tapes, at one point, Rife says quite clearly, " I never

knew if the original frequencies I measured were TRUE MOR's or just

harmonics. To me it didn't matter, all that mattered was that I knew

that when my machine was producing these frequencies the pathogens

were devitalised. If I had time to check all possible frequencies

it's possible I would have found that other frequencies were the true

fundamentals " . This is a complete confirmation of what Hoyland said.

Now, I've listed various arguments elsewhere as to why the WSR's

(wavelengths of super regeneration) are the MOR frequencies as opposed

to the " cycles per second " value listed on the original lab notes.

There is absolutely NO doubt in my professional opinion that the WSR's

are the MOR's and that the " cycles per second " values are some other

aspect of the setup not directly related to the MOR. All arguments

aside, it is obvious that since Rife did not know the MOR before he

started, that the MOR HAD to be the wavelength that was MEASURED when

the pathogen was devitalised, NOT simply a frequency that was input.

There is no possible SIMPLE relationship between any frequencies input

and those OUTPUT given the nature of the equipment or the technology

of the time. And it is a simple fact that the measurements of the

time were made using WAVEMETERS that gave a read out of WAVELENGTH,

not direct frequency. The very name " wavemeter " amply illustrates this.

There are numerous other indications that this is true. The lab note

which I uploaded ages ago which states that cancer was treated with

" 17.6 " meters. The fact that when asked for the MOR of a

pathogen, they gave him the WSR. Rife's own description of the range

of his machine which he says " devitalised pathogens in a range from 15

KHz to 17 Mhz " , which is exactly the range of WSR's (converted to true

frequencies) listed in the lab notes. And so on.

Either way, the argument is moot. We have the No 4 Rife Ray MOR

frequencies, listed as single, unambiguous frequencies directly in

Hertz courtesy of Philip Hoyland. The range of these frequencies

extends roughly from 100 KHz to 1.6 Mhz. i.e. (100,000 Hz to

1,604,000 Hz). These frequencies are in the LF radio frequency range.

They are NOT audio frequencies. Jim Bare calls these " ultrasonic

frequencies " , and he is absolutely technically correct, although I

feel the term can be somewhat misleading. I prefer " LF frequencies " .

So how did we end up with audio frequencies? The person responsible

is Philip Hoyland. But it's a long and complicated story which I will

only briefly summarize here.

In 1938, Dr Bertram Winter Gonin (a British doctor) and some

associates, most notably Parsons and Blewett, decided to get into the

Rife game. They visited Rife in San Diego and were so impressed they

immediately ordered a super microscope and 4 ray machines. Rife and

Hoyland had no mechanism in place for formal marketing of the

machines, so they ended up forming a company called " Beam Rays Inc " .

The Beam Rays story is extremely complicated.

From the outset however there was a fundamental underlying problem.

Gonin and Co didn't just want to buy a couple of machines. They

wanted the rights to MANUFACTURE Rife machines and to sell them

throughout " the British Empire " . In effect they wanted the worldwide

distribution rights as well. Now, the legal ownership of the Rife

technology was entirely in the hands of Rife and Hoyland. In fact,

Hoyland was MAJORITY owner of the machine rights, he held 55% rights

and Rife had only 45%. Rife had agreed this because Hoyland had been

responsible for the complete development of ALL machines after Rife's

original. Although the original concept was Rife's (possibly -

Hoyland thought Rife had copied it from somewhere even earlier), it

was Hoyland's designs that had " perfected " the machine into a

reasonably practical form.

The problem was that Rife wasn't concerned at all about business. He

had, from the outset effectively made promises to Gonin that implied

that Gonin could end up with almost total manufacturing and business

control of the machines outside the US. And he HADN'T agreed these

terms beforehand with Hoyland! Hoyland, was worried. He believed

that ultimately, the British would somehow cheat him and Rife and

would end up with complete control of the machines, the designs and

the rights and that he and Rife would end up with nothing for all

their hard work. Rife clearly didn't believe this and thought Hoyland

was overreacting. So it appears that Rife was making promises

(although he probably was talking casually and never believed it could

escalate into a power struggle) but believed in the fundamental

honesty of Gonin and Co. Plus of course Rife was never worried about

money, he had money from all kinds of rich sponsors. Hoyland on the

other hand had given up his other work to concentrate on the Rife

stuff and depended on the income from the machines. So it's easy to

see why Hoyland would be more concerned about monetary practicalities

than Rife.

In the end, Hoyland came up with a brilliant idea. He realised that

the whole key to the Rife technology was the frequencies. Even if

someone COULD copy his machines, they were useless someone ALSO knew

the correct frequencies to use. And unless they had a Rife

microscope, there was virtually no way they could work them out

without several years of work. So what he needed was some way to

obscure or hide the true frequencies whilst also providing a working

machine. Then he hit on his idea. He would design a new machine

which worked ENTIRELY on harmonics. The basic idea being that any

frequency INPUT into the machine would NOT be the true MOR which was

OUTPUT from the machine. An idea which was obviously inspired by his

analysis of Rife's original machine. However the machine was built,

he had to obscure the relation between the input and output. He did

some experiments and found that he could make a machine which had

purely AUDIO frequency inputs (i.e. entirely out of the true range of

the MOR's) but which would create strong harmonics at the TRUE LF MOR

frequency by intermodulation with the carrier signal. And to confuse

the issue even further, he wouldn't even tell anyone the AUDIO

frequencies, but instead would only tell them the dial settings which

would create the correct audio frequency to ultimately create the

correct LF frequency inside the machine. In fact there was no reason

why he really needed to hide the audio frequencies, but I suspect he

deliberately tried to create an air of mystery about them to IMPLY

that they were the true MOR's and to fool the British. Obviously if

they believed the audio frequencies were true MOR's and tried to

develop a different machine of their own, they would waste a lot of

time and effort and wouldn't end up any the wiser.

To test the idea, Hoyland made some pathogen cultures of his own and

tried his experimental machine. It worked perfectly and he decided to

run with the design. It was this machine he presented to the British.

Rife was furious when he did this. Rife wanted the British to have

everything, all the true, original research and the true frequencies.

It started an argument between him and Hoyland that effectively

destroyed their relationship. Rife didn't want people to have

harmonic machines, he wanted them to have the true, original machines.

It would take too long to explain all the events that led to the

complete breakdown between Rife and Hoyland. But suffice it to say

that the British disputed that the new machines were functional when

delivered. There is some circumstantial evidence that suggestes that

ONE member of the British group, Parsons, really WAS intending to

cheat Rife and Hoyland exactly as Hoyland had suspected, but the other

members of the British group, and in particular Gonin, himself were

innocent - although Hoyland didn't believe that. Either way, when the

British CLAIMED that there problems with the machine, the information

given to them by Rife and Hoyland was completely contradictory (as one

would of course expect). Either way the whole thing broke down,

leading to the British taking Beam Rays to court and also ultimately

to Hoyland ALSO taking his own company to court for reasons related to

this and also because of some illegal dealings by some of their other

partners in the company.

All of this happened at the height of Rife's fame and popularity. But

the fame backfired on Rife. It attracted the attention of the AMA and

other people who believed the whole thing was quackery. The dispute

with Beam Rays only added fuel to the fire. Although the AMA was NOT

involved in any way with the Beam Rays trial, the whole thing came as

major blow to Rife. He found himself at the centre of a firestorm

where he seemed to be getting it from all sides. Even his diehard

supporters such as Milbank were annoyed with him because they

thought he had been premature in going commercial with his machines

before they had been properly proved.

And all of this appears to be what drove Rife to alcohol and finally

broke him. Hoyland lost the law suit against Beam Rays because the

judge felt that he had been mainly responsible for the argument with

the British that had effectively bankrupted the company. So Hoyland

left. Rife found himself virtually alone and almost overnight had

lost many supporters and backers in one way or another. And then

World War II broke out to add insult to injury!

Without Hoyland, Rife was left to try and reconstruct his original

technology alone. He couldn't. He tried to make new machines and

they didn't work which only added to his despondency. According to

Crane, Rife didn't know very much about how ANY of the machines

worked electronically, he had all the machines commissioned from

engineers including the original, and on his own was unable to make a

working machine.

Eventually, in 1950 Crane came along. Crane decided he would try

to make machines, but like Rife and with only Rife's input he was

unable to. So Crane had to try and find out what Hoyland had been

doing. One of the first things he did was to try and get a schematic

of one of Hoyland's original machines from Dr Gruner in Canada who had

the machine which Hoyland had originally made for Milbank .

This actual schematic is on my web site. Despite having this, Crane

still couldn't get a working machine and somewhere along the line he

must have obtained one of the later Beam Rays machines (similar to the

one I reverse engineered) and then tried to modify the design. The

main problem there was that these were the HARMONIC machines that

Hoyland had produced for the British and a few others toward the end.

So Crane probably didn't know or realise that the frequencies INPUT

to these machines were NOT the true MOR's. Remember that Hoyland had

done everything in his power to obscure the TRUE operation of the

machines.

In fact, he (Hoyland) had done such a good job of obscuring matters

and making everyone believe that audio frequencies were used, that

it's obvious that Crane even believed that the No 4 frequencies (which

he had) were NOT the true frequencies, and there is circumstantial

evidence that he believed that the TRUE No 4 MOR frequencies were some

sort of " code " that Hoyland had cooked up! So it appears that he

tried simply converting the true original frequencies from KILOHERTZ

down to HERTZ. In other words, the frequencies Crane was using were

1000X too low! I will give an example of this. Rife insisted that

cancer was a pleomorph of E. Coli. The true No 4 frequency for BX was

1,604,000. Hoyland wrote it simply as " 1604 " meaning " 1604 KHz " .

Crane firstly figured that it was Hertz. Then he halved it to obtain

his " frequency " for E. Coli, ending up with " 802 Hz " for E. Coli. He

tried 1604 Hz on a cancer patient and it didn't work well, so he

thought he'd simply try doubling it. But he transcribed it wrongly

and it ended up as " 1064 " instead of " 1604 " . He then doubled the

wrong figure of 1064 and came up with the famous " 2128 " for cancer

which he thought worked better. I have been shown a note (but don't

have a copy, by someone who doesn't want to release the document) that

shows Crane's mistranscription, it says on one part, " BX on lab note,

1064 " . It's obvious that Crane was very careless.

And here is where the whole problem lies. Crane made various machines

similar to the Beam Rays machine (the AZ58 is a prime example). And

he set these machines up with audio frequencies, many of them simply

guesses of his own. Ironically, this kind of machine would sometimes

actually WORK because of the harmonic intermixing (as in the true Beam

Rays machine). But Crane's work was largely trial and error. The

Rife No 3 microscope had been vandalised at that time and Crane was no

biologist so he didn't do any proper lab pathogen checks. Rife was

not only retired but often drunk and it seems that Crane did most of

this on his own. The one thing that encouraged him was that he

discovered that sometimes the machines actually WOULD cure or at least

alleviate certain conditions. What he DIDN'T know is that the effect

he discovered was NOT the true, original Rife effect. Eventually, in

the course of his experiments he found he could get basically the same

type of results with simple pad devices and because these were much

cheaper, much easier to build, he decided that he had hit on some sort

of new development of the Rife principle. Rife, of course, knew that

he hadn't but wasn't in much of a position to do anything about it, he

barely knew what Crane was up to as he indicates on part of the Rife

tapes and in the interview with his attorney.

The effect that Crane discovered is interesting. It does seem to

" work " against various conditions, but it ABSOLUTELY IS NOT the true

Rife effect. It does NOT kill pathogens directly. My own theory

about how it works is related to ionic displacements causing

biochemical responses in the body that trigger certain immune system

functions.

The true Rife effect which I have duplicated (intermittently!) in the

laboratory kills pathogens INSTANTANEOUSLY. One moment the thing is

alive, the next it's dead - completely. There is no ambiguity about

it. There is generally NO so called " Herx reaction " , or at least very

little. ALL the current machines which claim to be Rife machines do

NOT, and I repeat NOT, demonstrate the true Rife effect in general.

The exception seems to be the Rife/Bare machine which CAN do it

occasionally and intermittently, but it doesn't do it reliably or

consistently (I think I know WHY and I'm working on it). I believe

for various technical reasons that no pad machine CAN produce the true

effect, regardless of whether the correct frequency is used. I have

alluded to some of those reasons in previous papers I have written and

when I get some time I'll expand upon it in detail. This is why I

generally don't believe in pad machines. It's not that they don't

" work " , but they only produce what I have called in the past, " the

curative effect " , which in the light of what I know now I think should

be called, " the Crane effect " , they do NOT produce the true RIFE

effect. I know that will upset some people but I say it because I

honestly and absolutely believe it is the truth. Bear in mind that it

is only my opinion and I may be wrong, but it's an honest opinion

based on my actual research and results, it's not just some fancy

speculation.

I have no objection to people using and/or selling pad machines. They

do help with certain things and occasionally give spectacular results.

My only objection is to the use of Rife's name to market them and the

claim that they directly kill pathogens, I believe it to be misleading.

So to sum up. The true Rife MOR's on the original lab notes are the

WSR's (wavelengths of super regeneration). But even these frequencies

are only harmonics. The real true MOR's as far as I can determine are

the Rife Ray No 4 frequencies. These are in the LF radio band and are

NOT audio frequencies. Audio frequencies are NOT true MOR's in and of

themselves, but in the right machine they can sometimes harmonically

CREATE the true frequencies.

I hope that clears up once and for all what is what about so called

" Rife frequencies " . I don't care whether anybody agrees with me or

not, this is what I honestly believe to be the truth based on several

years of intensive research.

For the record, here are the Rife Ray No 4 MOR frequencies in HERTZ so

there can be no confusion:

Anthrax 139200

Actinomycosis 192000

Gonohorrea 233000

Tetanus 234000

Tuberculosis Rod 369000

B. Coli 417000

Pneumonia 427000

Staph 478000

Strep Pyogenes 720000

Typhoid Rod 760000

Coli Filt 770000

Syphilis 789000

Typhoid Filt 1445000

BX 1604000

Best wishes

Aubrey

>

>

> Jim/others....yep I've been talking up Robin's new FG

> for a while. Looks great for an contact device too!

> Can't believe he was able to bring it to market

> at that price. As reported by Turf, looks like

> Dave Trebing isn't wasting any time in integrating into his

> latest plasma setup. Your right, the commercial FG's are many times

> more clams that an F160. This semi comprable commercial 2 channel FG

> is several times higher in $.

>

> http://www.tti-test.com/products-tti/generator/tga1240.htm

>

> Jim since I'm a Rife rookie, could ya explain a few things

> to me and the list?

>

> The wavelength of super regeneration. You mention you have some

> support that may just validate thes numbers as the true MORS by RIFE

> himself? Are your supporting documents/conversation/etc the

> 8same* ones that have lead Aubrey Scoon to be thinking along the same

> lines? Or have you independently come to this tentative conclusion

> based on completely separate information that what Scoon may possess?

> So in other words, your research has lead you to disagree

> with Ringas?

>

> If you would rather not answer the questions above, I understand Jim.

>

> This has been talked into the ground. But I'll ask you. RIFES

> orginal MORS or WSRS (irrespective of which one is the true pathogen

> frequency target)....were these ***ALL*** BASICALLY in the MULTI MHZ

> range or very high KHZ like Hulda 's which are roughly 300khz to

> 900khz? If they are in the MHZ, is there orignal docs online that we

> can view? I have seen one I believe on scoons website. And if those

> docs clearly show that they are multi MHZ hertz than y do many people

> state that it is not completely known what hertz Rife was using

> because he rarely backed his numericals up with hz or khz ot mhz??

> This is an old, tired, and frustrating question for many it appears.

> Can you DEFINETIVELY say what his MORS were? Would you conclude that

> the most important freq sets are pre Hoyland?

>

> The above is taking for granite that his original freqs were MHZ.

>

> *IF** Rife's original freqs are MHZ...we're talking the pathogen

> target freq not the carrier freq, would not Hulda 's frequencies

> also lend more support to the supposition that Rife was using MHZ?

>

> If any of this is true, why would we as Rife equipment manufacturers

> and experimenters be using pathogen target freqs in the audio band?

> This is an important question. I don't think this is a matter of FG

> freq limitations. Plenty of high MHZ commercial FG's available for

> some time I believe. Robin has had the F155 at 1.56mhz max available

> for awhile.....HOWEVER those manufacturers using it seem to be using

> it ONLY FOR FREQS IN THE AUDIO BAND. Do you know why?

>

> What is the ULTRASONIC frequency range? Can't find it.

> You mention the **potential* danger of ultrasonic frequencies used for

> electrification experimentation and the **possiblity** of demodulating

> freqs that are already in our body. Since I don't know for certain

> the Ultrasonic range, is Hulda 's MOR's in that range she

> commonly uses with an fg...300khz to 900khz? mentions that our

> own bodies resonate around 1.5mhz if memory serves me. In a sense,

> have I connected the dots between what she has said and what your

> concern would be with using ultrasonic freqs? If that logic is even

> close to on target, then Y are we using a multi MHZ carrier?

> Is the 27mhz transmitter in the ultrasonic band and if so...does this

> not equally concern you as it is used every time an R/B runs a freq?

>

> ***********************************************************

> Jim, flat out...have you been experimenting outside and above

> the the audio range..say up to 1mhz? So is your preferred pathogen

> target freq steadfast THUS FAR say below 40khz with respect to your

> most RECENT research and applications..irrespective of tube design or

> fill.

> ***************************************************************

>

> Can you comment on Don Tunney's latest research with respect to hz

> frequencies he's experimenting with and will any of his new equipment

> reflect that? Should we leave that one for Don? Just curious if he

> is using freqs on a plasma radiant system wave above the audio?

> If your lost..then so am I...forget I mentioned it.

>

> Jim, along the same lines as above but on a tangent..the R/B's use of

> a RF carrier....see below.

>

> This is a quote from Bruce S. below. This I believe was stated in

> 1999. You know that Bruce has always been concerned about the use of

> a RF carrier from a plasma radiant setup.

>

> " " " " " BKS: The full-blown Rife radiant units are pushing a lot of RF

> power to induce the lower modulated frequency into anything/ anyone

> that happens to be within a certain range... let's just hope that the

> FCC doesn't crack down, requiring Type Certification of each

> individual device, or worse... " " " " " "

>

> Bruce says on one of his website pages,

>

> " " " These EM+ systems are a highly dynamic 'Resonant Radiant Plasma

> Frequency Generating Research Device', producing high energy resonant

> radiant plasma emissions. These systems are capable of producing all

> of the resonant frequencies commonly refered to as the " RIFE "

> frequencies, and do so by driving the plasma to resonance directly at

> those selected frequencies. This approach is observed to be highly

> effective in dynamically & effectively inducing those resonances into

> the subject. What is unique about this approach is that the EM+

> Systems accomplish this without employing an RF carrier, and therefore

> are operated without the RF hazzards associated with other devices

> which utilize a modulated RF carrier mode of operation.

> For some discussion on the possible health hazzards of RF exposure,

> and some of the background as to why you might want to minimize your

> exposures whenever possible, you may want to visit the

> Electro-Sensitivity Discussions Page. " " " " " " " " " " " "

>

> End quotes.

>

> Bruce is not big on the use of chaos spark gaps either.

> But Jim, can you comment on peoples concerns about the use of the

> 27mhz RF trasmission in the R/B design with respect to RF overexposure

> or in terms with what you mentioned about demodulating the bodies own

> freqs?? Did hospitals use channel 14 in the 1950's? Is it safe to

> say Rife himself was around multi Rf emission/waves for decades

> through his continued research?

>

> The R/B licensed Rife-Ray by Vanzco....if an experimenter chooses the

> **Progen** FG as the signal source in that setup, can the tube radiate

> all the way up to the Progen's max freq output of 1mhz? In other

> words, can we get 1mhz at the tube?

>

> Sorry the questions are all over the place. I've never talked with ya

> b4 and I think these are group relavent questions.

>