RE: MY SWEET SAMANTHA -

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,

From what I understand, some kids don't ever really crawl. They may scoot

and then start standing and go to walking. I believe the milestone for

crawling is around 8 months -- some kids do it earlier, some later, it's just

an average. I wouldn't worry about it too much yet, but if you're still

concerned, maybe ask your ped about it.

To try to get interested in crawling, I've crawled around myself to

demonstrate. She seems pretty fascinated by it, but hasn't made her move yet.

Have you tried putting toys in front of Hunter to try to interest him in

staying on his tummy, or laying him on you? Those have worked for me, but I

know kids can be really different.

Hopefully he'll start tolerating being on his stomach more. By the way,

what's EI?

Good luck to you!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/18/00 7:46:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

tcumming@... writes:

<< All this talk about EI is making me wonder whether I should have

him evaluated? Is not crawling by 10 months a developmental delay? Does

anyone have any ideas? All I know is when I tell people that he's not

crawling yet they act as if that is the most horrible thing they have ever

heard! I would appreciate input from anyone!

Thanks,

(Hunter's mom)

-----Original >>

- hang in there. I've read 7-10 for crawling. That is the problem

with back sleeping. Kids don't develop the arm upper body strength they used

to like they did when they slept on their tummies. Remember, each at their

own pace. Work on that tummy time and please, everyone, remember perfectly

" normal " kids don't to picked apart this hard because they have no apparent

" flaws. "

Tammy & 12/8/99

[Guest guest]

, & ,

I just wanted to add that my son, Hunter, also hates to be on his tummy and always has. When I put him on his tummy he rolls over to his back. (no tort, just plagio) Also, he's not crawling yet and he's 10 months old. This concerns me a lot. I am afraid that because he has never spent a lot of time on his tummy that he has not developed the upper body strength needed to crawl. All this talk about EI is making me wonder whether I should have him evaluated? Is not crawling by 10 months a developmental delay? Does anyone have any ideas? All I know is when I tell people that he's not crawling yet they act as if that is the most horrible thing they have ever heard! I would appreciate input from anyone!

Thanks,

(Hunter's mom)

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I saw your message to Tammy and thought I'd try to ease your mind a little

regarding tummy time. My daughter is almost 8 months old and is just

now starting to roll onto her tummy from her back and be okay on her tummy

for more than 5 seconds. She used to HATE it, but by the time she was 6

months old I decided she'll have to get used to it. Sometimes I'd have her

lay on me, for a distraction, and that seemed to help. I'd also get on my

tummy and look at her, and put toys in front of her to look at. is

doing fine in all other milestones, so I'm not too concerned about her just

starting to tolerate being on her stomach. A lot of that is my fault because

I never put her on her tummy when she was younger (which contributed to her

plagio).

Hope this helps a little!

[Guest guest]

EI - Early Intervention. Thanks for the response!

(Hunter's mom)

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,

From what I understand, some kids don't ever really crawl. They may scoot

and then start standing and go to walking. I believe the milestone for

crawling is around 8 months -- some kids do it earlier, some later, it's just

an average. I wouldn't worry about it too much yet, but if you're still

concerned, maybe ask your ped about it.

To try to get interested in crawling, I've crawled around myself to

demonstrate. She seems pretty fascinated by it, but hasn't made her move yet.

Have you tried putting toys in front of Hunter to try to interest him in

staying on his tummy, or laying him on you? Those have worked for me, but I

know kids can be really different.

Hopefully he'll start tolerating being on his stomach more. By the way,

what's EI?

Good luck to you!

[Guest guest]

These are some great ideas for encouraging crawling. Crawling is an

important step for helping children develop connections between their left

and right sides of their body (and brain) and their midline. This becomes

very important later on in reading. Give kids tummy time and if you don't

see a big improvement in three weeks of exposure, I'd check it out at 10

months. If it is only for lack of exposure, you'll usually notice a

significant improvement in three weeks of giving the baby a chance.

----------

>From: Lesschreck@...

>Plagiocephalyegroups

>Subject: Re: MY SWEET SAMANTHA -

>Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000, 7:26 AM

>

>

> ,

> From what I understand, some kids don't ever really crawl. They may scoot

> and then start standing and go to walking. I believe the milestone for

> crawling is around 8 months -- some kids do it earlier, some later, it's just

> an average. I wouldn't worry about it too much yet, but if you're still

> concerned, maybe ask your ped about it.

> To try to get interested in crawling, I've crawled around myself to

> demonstrate. She seems pretty fascinated by it, but hasn't made her move yet.

> Have you tried putting toys in front of Hunter to try to interest him in

> staying on his tummy, or laying him on you? Those have worked for me, but I

> know kids can be really different.

> Hopefully he'll start tolerating being on his stomach more. By the way,

> what's EI?

> Good luck to you!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am a strong believer in early identification and intervention because the baby's brain is growing so quickly, IF there is a problem, the earlier it is detected, the more it can be corrected. If you call the early intervention provider in your area and do a parent referral, they will ask you what your concerns are. Based on that, and details about the baby's age and medical background, they will determine whether an evaluation is necessary. Sometimes, they'll monitor the child's progress if it doesn't seem to be a sure concern. Like I said before, checking it out will empower you to deal with it IF it is a problem and know you are doing all you can to help your baby reach his/her full potential AND you can relax if it is not a problem. The ranges for the milestones are averages--but variations can often be early indicators of problems. A trained early interventionist can let you know whether your concern needs follow-up or not.

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, & ,

I just wanted to add that my son, Hunter, also hates to be on his tummy and always has. When I put him on his tummy he rolls over to his back. (no tort, just plagio) Also, he's not crawling yet and he's 10 months old. This concerns me a lot. I am afraid that because he has never spent a lot of time on his tummy that he has not developed the upper body strength needed to crawl. All this talk about EI is making me wonder whether I should have him evaluated? Is not crawling by 10 months a developmental delay? Does anyone have any ideas? All I know is when I tell people that he's not crawling yet they act as if that is the most horrible thing they have ever heard! I would appreciate input from anyone!

Thanks,

(Hunter's mom)

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I saw your message to Tammy and thought I'd try to ease your mind a little

regarding tummy time. My daughter is almost 8 months old and is just

now starting to roll onto her tummy from her back and be okay on her tummy

for more than 5 seconds. She used to HATE it, but by the time she was 6

months old I decided she'll have to get used to it. Sometimes I'd have her

lay on me, for a distraction, and that seemed to help. I'd also get on my

tummy and look at her, and put toys in front of her to look at. is

doing fine in all other milestones, so I'm not too concerned about her just

starting to tolerate being on her stomach. A lot of that is my fault because

I never put her on her tummy when she was younger (which contributed to her

plagio).

Hope this helps a little!

[Guest guest]

Oh yes--don't let people's reactions freak you out. It is not the most horrible thing in the world to crawl late. But, if you are concerned and he is lagging behind the typical age for achieving the milestone, an evaluation can't hurt and could possibly help him enormously over the long run IF a problem exists.

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, & ,

I just wanted to add that my son, Hunter, also hates to be on his tummy and always has. When I put him on his tummy he rolls over to his back. (no tort, just plagio) Also, he's not crawling yet and he's 10 months old. This concerns me a lot. I am afraid that because he has never spent a lot of time on his tummy that he has not developed the upper body strength needed to crawl. All this talk about EI is making me wonder whether I should have him evaluated? Is not crawling by 10 months a developmental delay? Does anyone have any ideas? All I know is when I tell people that he's not crawling yet they act as if that is the most horrible thing they have ever heard! I would appreciate input from anyone!

Thanks,

(Hunter's mom)

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Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 12:40 AM

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I saw your message to Tammy and thought I'd try to ease your mind a little

regarding tummy time. My daughter is almost 8 months old and is just

now starting to roll onto her tummy from her back and be okay on her tummy

for more than 5 seconds. She used to HATE it, but by the time she was 6

months old I decided she'll have to get used to it. Sometimes I'd have her

lay on me, for a distraction, and that seemed to help. I'd also get on my

tummy and look at her, and put toys in front of her to look at. is

doing fine in all other milestones, so I'm not too concerned about her just

starting to tolerate being on her stomach. A lot of that is my fault because

I never put her on her tummy when she was younger (which contributed to her

plagio).

Hope this helps a little!

[Guest guest]

Hi, !

In reading your message, I thought I was reading my own! Hunter sounds so

much like ! She does the " splits " , too, and gives up before trying to

get on her tummy. Every now and then she ends up on her tummy, usually when

she rolls off the pillow we put behind her to protect her head if she falls

back. also prefers rolling around on our bed rather than the floor.

Isn't it interesting that they're so similar?

If I figure out something that works for , I'll be sure to pass it on

to you!

Take care!

[Guest guest]

I know this is totally off the subject of plagio but while were talking I thought I'd ask. Do baby's learn to crawl from a sitting position or from their tummy's? My son sits up very well and will play with his toys. I'll try moving his toys out of his reach and he leans forward for them with his legs apart. He leans over so far to reach for them he's almost doing the splits (his flexibility amazes me) but he never goes from the sitting position to his tummy. After a couple of tries he gives up and finds something else to do (watching the ceiling fan or just talking!!) We do have "tummy time" everyday to help strengthen his upper body and I have seen improvements. Also, he enjoys being on his tummy in the middle of our bed rather than on the floor. When he's on the bed, he looks like he's trying to push with his feet but can't get a good grip so I'll put him on the floor thinking the harder surface will be better and he doesn't even try. Anyway, sorry to ramble! Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks for listening!

(Hunter's mom)

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These are some great ideas for encouraging crawling. Crawling is an

important step for helping children develop connections between their left

and right sides of their body (and brain) and their midline. This becomes

very important later on in reading. Give kids tummy time and if you don't

see a big improvement in three weeks of exposure, I'd check it out at 10

months. If it is only for lack of exposure, you'll usually notice a

significant improvement in three weeks of giving the baby a chance.

----------

>From: Lesschreck@...

>Plagiocephalyegroups

>Subject: Re: MY SWEET SAMANTHA -

>Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000, 7:26 AM

>

>

> ,

> From what I understand, some kids don't ever really crawl. They may scoot

> and then start standing and go to walking. I believe the milestone for

> crawling is around 8 months -- some kids do it earlier, some later, it's just

> an average. I wouldn't worry about it too much yet, but if you're still

> concerned, maybe ask your ped about it.

> To try to get interested in crawling, I've crawled around myself to

> demonstrate. She seems pretty fascinated by it, but hasn't made her move yet.

> Have you tried putting toys in front of Hunter to try to interest him in

> staying on his tummy, or laying him on you? Those have worked for me, but I

> know kids can be really different.

> Hopefully he'll start tolerating being on his stomach more. By the way,

> what's EI?

> Good luck to you!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks !

Do you know how I can get in touch with EI for the state of Louisiana. We live in Baton Rouge. I guess it won't hurt to give them a call!

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Oh yes--don't let people's reactions freak you out.  It is not the most horrible thing in the world to crawl late.  But, if you are concerned and he is lagging behind the typical age for achieving the milestone, an evaluation can't hurt and could possibly help him enormously over the long run IF a problem exists.

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From: " Cummings-Hall, " <tcumming@...>

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, & ,

I just wanted to add that my son, Hunter, also hates to be on his tummy and always has.  When I put him on his tummy he rolls over to his back.  (no tort, just plagio) Also, he's not crawling yet and he's 10 months old.  This concerns me a lot.  I am afraid that because he has never spent a lot of time on his tummy that he has not developed the upper body strength needed to crawl.  All this talk about EI is making me wonder whether I should have him evaluated?  Is not crawling by 10 months a developmental delay? Does anyone have any ideas?  All I know is when I tell people that he's not crawling yet they act as if that is the most horrible thing they have ever heard!   I would appreciate input from anyone!

Thanks,

(Hunter's mom)

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From:   Lesschreck@... [sMTP:Lesschreck@...]

Sent:   Sunday, September 17, 2000 12:40 AM

    Plagiocephalyegroups

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I saw your message to Tammy and thought I'd try to ease your mind a little

regarding tummy time.  My daughter is almost 8 months old and is just

now starting to roll onto her tummy from her back and be okay on her tummy

for more than 5 seconds.  She used to HATE it, but by the time she was 6

months old I decided she'll have to get used to it.  Sometimes I'd have her

lay on me, for a distraction, and that seemed to help.  I'd also get on my

tummy and look at her, and put toys in front of her to look at.   is

doing fine in all other milestones, so I'm not too concerned about her just

starting to tolerate being on her stomach.  A lot of that is my fault because

I never put her on her tummy when she was younger (which contributed to her

plagio).

Hope this helps a little!

[Guest guest]

- My son just started crawling a week ago - so we're new at this too. Our physical therapist showed me some reaching type movements to help him crawl. He would do the same as your son and reach and reach for something only to give up if it was to far away. Try putting the toy out of reach to his side (say left) help him put his left arm down to the side and lean on it to get a further reach for the toy with his right hand. Does that make sense?? It helps them learn to put weight on their hands and arms. Several days after we started showing him that - he ended up on hands and knees. He rocked back and forth on his hands and knees for about 3 weeks before he finally took any steps though. But I suppose those 3 weeks of rocking helped strengthen all the right muscles.... The same day he crawled he figured out how to go from tummy to sitting by pushing up from tummy to the crawling position and then sitting by doing the above exercise backwards. I'm sure all babies figure it out a little differently, but hope this helps. Please let me know if my description needs better explanation (no promises though!)

and Ethan (12/27/99)

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I know this is totally off the subject of plagio but while were talking I thought I'd ask. Do baby's learn to crawl from a sitting position or from their tummy's? My son sits up very well and will play with his toys. I'll try moving his toys out of his reach and he leans forward for them with his legs apart. He leans over so far to reach for them he's almost doing the splits (his flexibility amazes me) but he never goes from the sitting position to his tummy. After a couple of tries he gives up and finds something else to do (watching the ceiling fan or just talking!!) We do have "tummy time" everyday to help strengthen his upper body and I have seen improvements. Also, he enjoys being on his tummy in the middle of our bed rather than on the floor. When he's on the bed, he looks like he's trying to push with his feet but can't get a good grip so I'll put him on the floor thinking the harder surface will be better and he doesn't even try. Anyway, sorry to ramble! Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks for listening!

(Hunter's mom)

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These are some great ideas for encouraging crawling. Crawling is an important step for helping children develop connections between their left and right sides of their body (and brain) and their midline. This becomes very important later on in reading. Give kids tummy time and if you don't see a big improvement in three weeks of exposure, I'd check it out at 10 months. If it is only for lack of exposure, you'll usually notice a significant improvement in three weeks of giving the baby a chance.

---------- >From: Lesschreck@... >Plagiocephalyegroups >Subject: Re: MY SWEET SAMANTHA - >Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000, 7:26 AM >

> > , > From what I understand, some kids don't ever really crawl. They may scoot > and then start standing and go to walking. I believe the milestone for > crawling is around 8 months -- some kids do it earlier, some later, it's just > an average. I wouldn't worry about it too much yet, but if you're still > concerned, maybe ask your ped about it. > To try to get interested in crawling, I've crawled around myself to > demonstrate. She seems pretty fascinated by it, but hasn't made her move yet. > Have you tried putting toys in front of Hunter to try to interest him in > staying on his tummy, or laying him on you? Those have worked for me, but I > know kids can be really different. > Hopefully he'll start tolerating being on his stomach more. By the way, > what's EI? > Good luck to you! > > >

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In a message dated 9/19/00 8:13:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

kallen-brown@... writes:

<< Sitting uses the back a lot. Being on hands and knees uses the back and

tummy muscles. Rocking helps the muscles and joints work in coordination.

>>

Thanks for all your great tips. What about crawling backwards? Do they

usually go forward?

Tammy & 12/8/99

[Guest guest]

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Thanks so much for your wonderful advice! I'll start trying these right away!

Thanks again!

[Guest guest]

It's Tuesday night and I just received your whereabouts. I'll look up the EI provider in your area tomorrow at work and get it posted by tomorrow night. I can't tell how lon the lag time is between postings, so keep checking...

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Thanks !

Do you know how I can get in touch with EI for the state of Louisiana. We live in Baton Rouge. I guess it won't hurt to give them a call!

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Oh yes--don't let people's reactions freak you out.  It is not the most horrible thing in the world to crawl late.  But, if you are concerned and he is lagging behind the typical age for achieving the milestone, an evaluation can't hurt and could possibly help him enormously over the long run IF a problem exists.

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From: " Cummings-Hall, " <tcumming@...>

" 'Plagiocephalyegroups' " <Plagiocephalyegroups>

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I just wanted to add that my son, Hunter, also hates to be on his tummy and always has.  When I put him on his tummy he rolls over to his back.  (no tort, just plagio) Also, he's not crawling yet and he's 10 months old.  This concerns me a lot.  I am afraid that because he has never spent a lot of time on his tummy that he has not developed the upper body strength needed to crawl.  All this talk about EI is making me wonder whether I should have him evaluated?  Is not crawling by 10 months a developmental delay? Does anyone have any ideas?  All I know is when I tell people that he's not crawling yet they act as if that is the most horrible thing they have ever heard!   I would appreciate input from anyone!

Thanks,

(Hunter's mom)

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Sent:   Sunday, September 17, 2000 12:40 AM

    Plagiocephalyegroups

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I saw your message to Tammy and thought I'd try to ease your mind a little

regarding tummy time.  My daughter is almost 8 months old and is just

now starting to roll onto her tummy from her back and be okay on her tummy

for more than 5 seconds.  She used to HATE it, but by the time she was 6

months old I decided she'll have to get used to it.  Sometimes I'd have her

lay on me, for a distraction, and that seemed to help.  I'd also get on my

tummy and look at her, and put toys in front of her to look at.   is

doing fine in all other milestones, so I'm not too concerned about her just

starting to tolerate being on her stomach.  A lot of that is my fault because

I never put her on her tummy when she was younger (which contributed to her

plagio).

Hope this helps a little!

[Guest guest]

From tummy time (on a firm surface), babies push up their chest first and eventually get up on their hands and knees. From there, they'll rock back and forth, further strengthening the torso before they actually start to scoot. As the scooting gets more coordinated, it becomes a full crawl.

Something to try:

Put a quilt on the floor. Get in the tummy time position facing your baby. Offer toys that are just out of his/her reach. Encourage your baby to reach for them. If (s)he tries to scoot, you can put something firm behind his/her feet to push off of. Get very excited when your baby tries this. (S)he will want to do it again to get that response. Of course, it may take awhile (even days) before (s)he figures out how to do it again. Eventually, the neurological connections get made and practice makes them work on demand. If your baby doesn't try to scoot and get frustrated by not reaching a toy, you can flick it within reach when it looks like SOME effort is being made. Then you can celebrate--yeah, you got it! MILD frustration is when the brain connections are being made. The key is not to let baby fuss enough to be genuinely distressed. If no effort is required, then baby learns everything must be easy. If (s)he struggles a little, (s)he learns patience, effort, and persistence.

By being in the same position, you are providing a lot of social and communication stimulation, as well as motivation and modeling of ways baby can interact with the toys that (s)he may not have thought of yet.

Tummy time can be effective even if it is only for a few minutes at a time. Repeat it as often as possible throughout the day. believe it or not, the weight on the wrists is developing readiness for writing later on. It is AMAZING what is going on in our babies while they are still tiny.

With regular tummy time and stimulation, you will start to see changes in your baby. The strength needs to come before the skill is seen.

Sitting uses the back a lot. Being on hands and knees uses the back and tummy muscles. Rocking helps the muscles and joints work in coordination.

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Subject: RE: MY SWEET SAMANTHA -

Date: Tue, Sep 19, 2000, 6:19 AM

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I know this is totally off the subject of plagio but while were talking I thought I'd ask. Do baby's learn to crawl from a sitting position or from their tummy's? My son sits up very well and will play with his toys. I'll try moving his toys out of his reach and he leans forward for them with his legs apart. He leans over so far to reach for them he's almost doing the splits (his flexibility amazes me) but he never goes from the sitting position to his tummy. After a couple of tries he gives up and finds something else to do (watching the ceiling fan or just talking!!) We do have " tummy time " everyday to help strengthen his upper body and I have seen improvements. Also, he enjoys being on his tummy in the middle of our bed rather than on the floor. When he's on the bed, he looks like he's trying to push with his feet but can't get a good grip so I'll put him on the floor thinking the harder surface will be better and he doesn't even try. Anyway, sorry to ramble! Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks for listening!

(Hunter's mom)

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These are some great ideas for encouraging crawling. Crawling is an

important step for helping children develop connections between their left

and right sides of their body (and brain) and their midline. This becomes

very important later on in reading. Give kids tummy time and if you don't

see a big improvement in three weeks of exposure, I'd check it out at 10

months. If it is only for lack of exposure, you'll usually notice a

significant improvement in three weeks of giving the baby a chance.

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>From: Lesschreck@...

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>Subject: Re: MY SWEET SAMANTHA -

>Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000, 7:26 AM

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>

> ,

> From what I understand, some kids don't ever really crawl. They may scoot

> and then start standing and go to walking. I believe the milestone for

> crawling is around 8 months -- some kids do it earlier, some later, it's just

> an average. I wouldn't worry about it too much yet, but if you're still

> concerned, maybe ask your ped about it.

> To try to get interested in crawling, I've crawled around myself to

> demonstrate. She seems pretty fascinated by it, but hasn't made her move yet.

> Have you tried putting toys in front of Hunter to try to interest him in

> staying on his tummy, or laying him on you? Those have worked for me, but I

> know kids can be really different.

> Hopefully he'll start tolerating being on his stomach more. By the way,

> what's EI?

> Good luck to you!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

DEAR KAREN: WANTED TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL OF YOUR WISDOM & ADVICE. I

WAS HOPING THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL ME HOW & WHERE TO FIND EARLY

INTERVENTION FOR SAMANTHA. I LIVE IN ORLANDO FLORIDA. AGAIN, THANKS

DENISE & SAMANTHA

[Guest guest]

Glad to be able to help. getting the bits and pieces from all our different

areas of expertise and experience helps each parent make the best choices

for them and their children. I'm a firm believer in the more we know, the

more choices we have (although the learning curve can be quite steep and

overwhelming at times.) The REALLY IMPRTANT things is that there IS

information out there and people who can help so each parent can explore the

options and find the best match for their unique situation.

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>From: Lesschreck@...

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>Subject: Re: MY SWEET SAMANTHA -

>Date: Tue, Sep 19, 2000, 10:08 PM

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> --

> Thanks so much for your wonderful advice! I'll start trying these right away!

> Thanks again!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It takes awhile for babies to figure out which way they need to go to get to

the thing that is motivating them to try to move (assuming they have sight).

Some scoot forwards first. Some scoot backwards. Sometimes, it just

depends where they can get the grip. Typically, with regular opportunities

to move, parents will see the child's movements get more and more

coordinated.

If he always goes backwards, see if there is a way to brace his back legs so

when he pushes, he gets a boost forward. Some babies just need to

" accidentally " experience a sensation a few times before they realize this

is something they can learn to do. or, get in front and provide motivation

to try to get forwards (but only allow MILD frustration before you help by

bringing the item closer if he isn't successful.) The really important

thing is that babies are given many opportunities to experience new things

using all of their abilities--all senses and body parts.

[Guest guest]

Also, he's not crawling yet and he's 10 months old

:

Hanna will be 11 months on the 25th, and just started crawling this

week. I'm not concerned at this point, because she has just been

able to move so swiftly by rolling, turning, etc. to get to where she wants

to be. She also does some sort of "push with the feet/slide on the

side of my head" sort of deal - maybe that's why she decided to crawl,

no more band to slide on!! )

Just thought I would share cuz our babies are the same age!

Kendra

"Cummings-Hall, " wrote:

, & ,

I just wanted to add that my son, Hunter,

also hates to be on his tummy and always has. When I put him on his

tummy he rolls over to his back. (no tort, just plagio) Also, he's

not crawling yet and he's 10 months old. This concerns me a lot.

I am afraid that because he has never spent a lot of time on his tummy

that he has not developed the upper body strength needed to crawl.

All this talk about EI is making me wonder whether I should have him evaluated?

Is not crawling by 10 months a developmental delay? Does anyone have any

ideas? All I know is when I tell people that he's not crawling yet

they act as if that is the most horrible thing they have ever heard!

I would appreciate input from anyone!

Thanks,

(Hunter's mom)

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I saw your message to Tammy and thought

I'd try to ease your mind a little

regarding tummy time. My daughter

is almost 8 months old and is just

now starting to roll onto her tummy

from her back and be okay on her tummy

for more than 5 seconds. She

used to HATE it, but by the time she was 6

months old I decided she'll have to

get used to it. Sometimes I'd have her

lay on me, for a distraction, and

that seemed to help. I'd also get on my

tummy and look at her, and put toys

in front of her to look at. is

doing fine in all other milestones,

so I'm not too concerned about her just

starting to tolerate being on her

stomach. A lot of that is my fault because

I never put her on her tummy when

she was younger (which contributed to her

plagio).

Hope this helps a little!

[Guest guest]

:

I should also add that Hanna doesn't mind being on her tummy, and that

crawling isn't considered to be an official "milestone" (at least it isn't

in Canada!).

Kendra

bailykuhn@... wrote:

In a message dated 9/18/00 7:46:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

tcumming@... writes:

<< All this talk about EI is making me wonder whether

I should have

him evaluated? Is not crawling by 10 months a developmental

delay? Does

anyone have any ideas? All I know is when I tell people that

he's not

crawling yet they act as if that is the most horrible thing they

have ever

heard! I would appreciate input from anyone!

Thanks,

(Hunter's mom)

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- hang in there. I've read 7-10 for crawling.

That is the problem

with back sleeping. Kids don't develop the arm upper body

strength they used

to like they did when they slept on their tummies. Remember,

each at their

own pace. Work on that tummy time and please, everyone, remember

perfectly

"normal" kids don't to picked apart this hard because they have

no apparent

"flaws."

Tammy & 12/8/99

[Guest guest]

Dear and ,

I thought you said Florida, but I didn't have the original message when your

request came in. The state coordinator for Part C of IDEA is the person who

supervises the early intervention programs at the state level, so she should

know where the nearest one is to you. Grabbing the list on NECTAS' website,

seemed the quickest way for me to get you in contact with someone in the

know.

If this is a long distance phone call for you and you can't accommodate

that, the reference librarian at your local public library has access to

guides that provide local service providers. Since this service is mandated

by federal law (the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, revised in

1997), there are also government guides that provide these listings and can

be accessed through a library.

Good luck! Let me know if you get stuck and I can dig deeper. I'm swamped

trying to get some kids to services right now, so I'm trying the quick

fix--a state contact that ought to be able to help you out pronto. If it

doesn't work like it should, I'd be happy to scare up the provider, but

it'll take me awhile to get to it. (I'm still spending enormous amounts of

time trying to get out of state travel authorized for the child that sent me

seeking this site in the first place.) So, unless I hear back form you, I'll

assume you get in contact with the local provider. :-)

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>From: GRANDMANSAM@...

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>Subject: Re: MY SWEET SAMANTHA -

>Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000, 7:23 PM

>

>

> DEAR KAREN: WANTED TO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL OF YOUR WISDOM & ADVICE. I

> WAS HOPING THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO TELL ME HOW & WHERE TO FIND EARLY

> INTERVENTION FOR SAMANTHA. I LIVE IN ORLANDO FLORIDA. AGAIN, THANKS

> DENISE & SAMANTHA

>

>

[Guest guest]

DEAR KAREN: THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I'LL GET

ON IT RIGHT AWAY, AND LET YOU KNOW HOW I MADE OUT. BY THE WAY, MONDAY IS

SAMANTHAS APPT. WITH THE NEURO!!!!! THANKS DENISE & SAMANTHA P.S. I DID

SAY FLORIDA....(ORLANDO)

[Guest guest]

Good luck in neuro. Glad to be able to help. :-)

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>From: GRANDMANSAM@...

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>Subject: Re: MY SWEET SAMANTHA -

>Date: Fri, Sep 22, 2000, 7:51 PM

>

>

> DEAR KAREN: THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP, I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. I'LL GET

> ON IT RIGHT AWAY, AND LET YOU KNOW HOW I MADE OUT. BY THE WAY, MONDAY IS

> SAMANTHAS APPT. WITH THE NEURO!!!!! THANKS DENISE & SAMANTHA P.S. I DID

> SAY FLORIDA....(ORLANDO)

>

>