Re: Phanotron tube x-ray misinformation?...

[Guest guest]

When a plasma tube lights up the voltage goes way down. Nowhere near

45,000V. So there should be no x-rays.

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Best regards,

Bil Green

2001 TV VCR

Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546

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Thursday, December 18, 2003, 1:54:29 PM, you wrote:

m> Hi Everyone,

m> I just wanted to address that I've seen a few places on the

m> internet stating that phanotron rife tubes can possibly produce

m> x-rays. I've also seen information claiming that Rife's original

m> tubes produced x-rays. As far as I know, and I'm admittedly no

m> expert, these statements are completely untrue. I'm pretty sure I

m> even read somewhere that Rife's original tubes were independently

m> verified to be producing no x-rays, but I can't remember where. If

m> anybody has more info on Rife's original tubes I'd be most

m> interested.

m> I've also had queries from people about whether EMEM machines

m> using phanotron tubes produce x-rays or not. The way I understand it

m> no tube made for use on a Rife device would possibly be able to make

m> x-rays. X-ray tubes require a much harder vacuum of .25 torr or less

m> (like 10-3, or 10-4 torr, or even less), and a high voltage driver of

m> at least 50,000 volts and better 100,000 volts plus. Plus, the gas

m> added to the tube (such as Helium, Argon, etc...) is apparently a real

m> detriment to the production of x-rays. I think high voltage relays

m> are often filled with gas to prevent any output of this kind.

m> So, even if one were putting out 45,0000 volts with racing

m> coil(s) on an EMEM, I don't think the phanotron tube (at around 15

m> torr?) and filled with gas would possibly be able to create even

m> " soft " x-rays. Possibly enough voltage, but the tube is all wrong.

m> Anyway, anybody who knows more about this, or who can verify or

m> disprove my statements, feel free to do so. If this is

m> misinformation, however, I think we should all put a quick end to it.

m> Mamba

[Guest guest]

This sounds like misinformation by some of the pad manufacturers to me.

The Phanotron, which is usually filled to more like 75 torr pressure

(still a good vacuum), and run at the few thousand volts used in EMEM or

Rife/Bare systems, cannot produce any X-Rays, not even " soft " X-rays.

Rife had his plasma tube tested by a research laboratory, and it was

certified NOT to produce any X-Rays. I believe that information is

buried in the Rife documents on Stan's website..

X-Rays require a lot higher voltage and a lot better vacuum. We do

ocassionally prioduce soft X-Rays in our plasma physics lab at work,

however we're running extremely high currents, much higher voltages, and

far better vacuum than the phanotron uses.

Don't believe everything the manufacturers say in promoting " their "

product. Remember, there is no device on the market which measures

whatever the " Rife Effect " is - so the manufacturers boasting about how

much better their machine is than anybody else's are mostly blowing hot

air. Price is no guarantee of anything better, either.

Btw - the gasses used in some relays is there to better " quench " any

arcing which may occur when the contacts open (and close).

Dave

http://www.dfe.net

mamba2369 wrote:

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I just wanted to address that I've seen a few places on the

> internet stating that phanotron rife tubes can possibly produce

> x-rays. I've also seen information claiming that Rife's original

> tubes produced x-rays. As far as I know, and I'm admittedly no

> expert, these statements are completely untrue. I'm pretty sure I

> even read somewhere that Rife's original tubes were independently

> verified to be producing no x-rays, but I can't remember where. If

> anybody has more info on Rife's original tubes I'd be most

> interested.

>

> I've also had queries from people about whether EMEM machines

> using phanotron tubes produce x-rays or not. The way I understand it

> no tube made for use on a Rife device would possibly be able to make

> x-rays. X-ray tubes require a much harder vacuum of .25 torr or less

> (like 10-3, or 10-4 torr, or even less), and a high voltage driver of

> at least 50,000 volts and better 100,000 volts plus. Plus, the gas

> added to the tube (such as Helium, Argon, etc...) is apparently a real

> detriment to the production of x-rays. I think high voltage relays

> are often filled with gas to prevent any output of this kind.

>

> So, even if one were putting out 45,0000 volts with racing

> coil(s) on an EMEM, I don't think the phanotron tube (at around 15

> torr?) and filled with gas would possibly be able to create even

> " soft " x-rays. Possibly enough voltage, but the tube is all wrong.

> Anyway, anybody who knows more about this, or who can verify or

> disprove my statements, feel free to do so. If this is

> misinformation, however, I think we should all put a quick end to it.

>

> Mamba

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:14:09 -0800 Dave Felt

writes:

>

> Rife had his plasma tube tested by a research laboratory, and it was

certified NOT to produce any X-Rays. I believe that information is

buried in the Rife documents on Stan's website..

In the history section of Blast It! ( Crane's Polarity Research

Manual), Crane wrote the following about X-rays:

" Coolidge of General Electric Co. helped him by providing hundreds

of ray tubes left over from his X-ray tubes, which Rife would charge up

with helium, which stood up better under 8,000 volts of excitation. "

On July 12th, 1959, Crane wrote in a letter to Dr. Stafford, “…I am

enclosing a report by 3 of the most outstanding men in this area who have

tested Rife Ray tubes and found absolutely no harmful radiation

whatsoever. I have discussed your concern with the old master and Rife

states that X-Ray film is extremely sensitive and that this “trick” of

exposing film for six hours can be repeated by an ordinary light bulb

giving off infra red rays or another bulb designed to give off

ultra-violet rays. It is a physical impossibility for the Frequency

Instrument to give off “soft” X-rays for the reason that there is

insufficient power in the Frequency Instrument to approach the X-ray

range. Of the…men who used this instrument almost continuously for over

20 years (Rife & Arthur Yale & Couche) NO [sic] harmful effects were ever

observed. We are working with RF power which is not related to

radio-active isotopes, X-rays or any form of this harmful [sic] emanation

which has been proved to spread disease all over the body and leads to

painful death. We are changing our term “Electron Therapy” because this

is a new science and unrelated to presently known facts…”

On March 21, 1958 Crane wrote, “Dr. Yale[’s] electronic instruments have

been reported to me by an electronic expert to be much higher powered and

in the X-ray range and several cases have been reported as burned with

his equipment. "

Hope this helps.

Carol Nichols

Ourlifehouse.com

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:14:09 -0800 Dave Felt

writes:

>

> Rife had his plasma tube tested by a research laboratory, and it was

certified NOT to produce any X-Rays. I believe that information is

buried in the Rife documents on Stan's website..

In the history section of Blast It! ( Crane's Polarity Research

Manual), Crane wrote the following about X-rays:

" Coolidge of General Electric Co. helped him by providing hundreds

of ray tubes left over from his X-ray tubes, which Rife would charge up

with helium, which stood up better under 8,000 volts of excitation. "

On July 12th, 1959, Crane wrote in a letter to Dr. Stafford, “…I am

enclosing a report by 3 of the most outstanding men in this area who have

tested Rife Ray tubes and found absolutely no harmful radiation

whatsoever. I have discussed your concern with the old master and Rife

states that X-Ray film is extremely sensitive and that this “trick” of

exposing film for six hours can be repeated by an ordinary light bulb

giving off infra red rays or another bulb designed to give off

ultra-violet rays. It is a physical impossibility for the Frequency

Instrument to give off “soft” X-rays for the reason that there is

insufficient power in the Frequency Instrument to approach the X-ray

range. Of the…men who used this instrument almost continuously for over

20 years (Rife & Arthur Yale & Couche) NO [sic] harmful effects were ever

observed. We are working with RF power which is not related to

radio-active isotopes, X-rays or any form of this harmful [sic] emanation

which has been proved to spread disease all over the body and leads to

painful death. We are changing our term “Electron Therapy” because this

is a new science and unrelated to presently known facts…”

On March 21, 1958 Crane wrote, “Dr. Yale[’s] electronic instruments have

been reported to me by an electronic expert to be much higher powered and

in the X-ray range and several cases have been reported as burned with

his equipment. "

Hope this helps.

Carol Nichols

Ourlifehouse.com

[Guest guest]

FWIW,

Maybe Coolidge helped Rife develop his tubes maybe not. About 8 years ago

when I first got started with Rife research, I contacted GE. Coolidge was so

important to the company that they actually had an archive of his work. No

mention of Rife could be found in his papers. The librarian did admit that

mundane items that held no patent or unique attributes would not have been

recorded.

> " Coolidge of General Electric Co. helped him by providing hundreds

>of ray tubes left over from his X-ray tubes, which Rife would charge up

>with helium, which stood up better under 8,000 volts of excitation. "

[Guest guest]

> When a plasma tube lights up the voltage goes way down. Nowhere near

> 45,000V. So there should be no x-rays.

>

>

>

> --

> Best regards,

>

> Bil Green

> 2001 TV VCR

> Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546

> mailto:tv.vcrrepair@v...

>

>

Thanks for the reply, Bil. I am curious though. When an EMEM3D with

racing coils is running, has anybody measured exactly how much voltage

and current is at the tube?

Mamba

[Guest guest]

> When a plasma tube lights up the voltage goes way down. Nowhere near

> 45,000V. So there should be no x-rays.

>

>

>

> --

> Best regards,

>

> Bil Green

> 2001 TV VCR

> Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546

> mailto:tv.vcrrepair@v...

>

>

Thanks for the reply, Bil. I am curious though. When an EMEM3D with

racing coils is running, has anybody measured exactly how much voltage

and current is at the tube?

Mamba

[Guest guest]

I haven't measure the voltage of my EMEM3 yet. I will try to do that

soon (not easy when using a regular meter). I know for sure that the

current is very low - somewhere around 5mA with 2 coils. Way lower

than the new device.

If the ignition coil had an output of only 2,000V the power to the

tube (and mA) could be way higher. This is because when the tube

conducts, it's internal resistance is so low that it drags the

voltage down (from 30 or 40KV) to a couple thousand volts.

The current output of an ignition coil is only a couple mA. This

does not increase when the voltage gets dragged down. So there is

an enormous waste of power here.

If you could use a transformer (an automotive ignition coil is

nothing more than a transformer) with a 12V primary and a 2,000V

secondary then the output current would be much higher (if the

transformer had the same power rating - measured in watts). Very

little wasted power - much more for the tube.

So instead of only a few milliamps going through the tube, there

would be as much as 100mA. This is what Aubrey has done. A handmade

transformer specifically designed for driving a plasma tube in a

Rife system. Not an off the shelf coil that barely works.

I don't mean to insult anyone that has an EMEM device. I recently

built one and I'm very excited that there is something better.

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Best regards,

Bil Green

2001 TV VCR

Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546

mailto:tv.vcrrepair@...

Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 10:18:45 AM, you wrote:

m>

>> When a plasma tube lights up the voltage goes way down. Nowhere near

>> 45,000V. So there should be no x-rays.

>>

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