Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 I'm sure when you buy the burner, you get instructions on how long to use it. I only know that when it's done to my calves, it takes seconds to do each one. Since I don't do it myself, maybe someone else can answer your questions better. K.C. Dehorning/ Debudding ok, so you corral the calf/goat and take a horn burner and burn the growth tissue. How do you know if you were successful? I really don't want to burn them a second time. Is there a way to tell? Will, maybe you can answer this since your a vet? How long are you suppossed to burn them for? any advice from anyone who knows would be great! I would much rather burn them then to dig the horns out or cut them later. The longer I wait the more bloody and painful it is.Thanks,AnnelisPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 And I have friends who have raised goats for 20 years and wouldn't have a horn on any of the. A matter of what suits you. Goats are relatively small. Try dealing with a cow with horns, even the nice ones know how to use them. Even a mini that is loving and careful most of the time with her horns will absolutely use them if she feel threatened. K.C. RE: Dehorning/ Debudding Here's a link that goes through the process, step-by-step, and includes pictures of how to tell if you've done it right. http://fiascofarm.com/goats/disbudding.htm We had one of our doe kids done (the horns were only about an inch long) when we first got them as that was what I was told was best in order to keep this little doe from continuing to get her head caught in the fence (chainlink, combination stock panels, and even specialized goat fence), but I will tell you, I will not dehorn/disbud again. She went from a friendly "at your heels" carefree kid, to a suspicious, "don't even think about coming too close to me" animal. And it didn't come close to stopping her from getting her head caught in things. Plus, I've learned that horns make it easer to hold them when medicating, etc. But in saying that, dairy goats are not allowed to be exhibited at fairs, shows, etc with horns. So that's something to think about if you choose not to dehorn/disbud your goats. JMHO, Shona Goodridge Farms South Central Missouri PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Goodridge Farms wrote: > Here's a link that goes through the process, step-by-step, and > includes pictures of how to tell if you've done it right. > http://fiascofarm.com/goats/disbudding.htm > > We had one of our doe kids done (the horns were only about an inch > long) when we first got them as that was what I was told was best in > order to keep this little doe from continuing to get her head caught > in the fence (chainlink, combination stock panels, and even > specialized goat fence), but I will tell you, I will not dehorn/disbud > again. She went from a friendly " at your heels " carefree kid, to a > suspicious, " don't even think about coming too close to me " animal. > And it didn't come close to stopping her from getting her head caught > in things. Plus, I've learned that horns make it easer to hold them > when medicating, etc. > > But in saying that, dairy goats are not allowed to be exhibited at > fairs, shows, etc with horns. So that's something to think about if > you choose not to dehorn/disbud your goats. > > JMHO, > Shona > > *Goodridge Farms* <http://www.geocities.com/goodridgefarms>* * > > South Central Missouri > > > > > > > We used to take the easy way out and have a vet do the dehorning. For several years we have done our own at all stages. With our Jerseys, we find the best way is with a high temperature dehorner. There is an electric version (Budex) which one vet used and a propane (lighter fuel) version. We have a propane version which brings to temp up to about 1100 f. The tool is held against the bud for 10 seconds. Within about 10 minutes the calf is not eve " head shy " . They behave perfectly normal. The result looks very much like a polled animal. We have tried letting horns grow. They are dangerous and there are some cows that are just plain mean when they have them. We have one cow who used to tear at other cows udders. Since she lost her horns she lost her hostility. I do remember when I was young a farm which had Ayrshires and wooden stanchions. All cows had full horns and brass horn knobs. They were beautiful. When they came into the barn and entered their stalls, the horns hitting the wooden stanchions sounded like marimbas. I wished I had a recording. Bunting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 I think its something like 15 seconds per horn with a well heated burner. When my vets did it they had my bull calf dehorned and castrated (bloodless castration) in a few minutes. Weldon A Bit of Earth Farm Litchfield, Ohio > > ok, so you corral the calf/goat and take a horn burner and burn the > growth tissue. How do you know if you were successful? I really > don't want to burn them a second time. Is there a way to tell? Will, > maybe you can answer this since your a vet? How long are you > suppossed to burn them for? any advice from anyone who knows would > be great! I would much rather burn them then to dig the horns out or > cut them later. The longer I wait the more bloody and painful it is. > Thanks, > Annelis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 I see that there are several people on both sides who are quite passionate about this topic. So before things get out of hand...just take a moment and imagine that you are in the list owner's living room. What would you say face-to-face to the other guests when replying, and how would you treat them? Shona :0) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Can't we all just agree that we disagree with each other at times? To each their own. On a different note, does anyone know sources to get raw goat's milk in the Portland, OR area? I just started getting raw cow's milk from a local farmer, but I'm intersted in trying some goat milk. I can actually get raw goat's milk down the street at a store (Daily Grind), but it tastes to strong (goaty?) to me and I'd like to try it from a different source. Echo Mountain Goat Dairy is the raw goat's milk being sold. I already checked here: http://www.realmilk.com/where2.html#usa I get raw milk, because I use it to ferment in my kefir grains for a healthy, probiotic drink. Peace... Charlie > I see that there are several people on both sides who are quite passionate > about this topic. So before things get out of hand...just take a moment and > imagine that you are in the list owner's living room. What would you say > face-to-face to the other guests when replying, and how would you treat > them? > > Shona :0) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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