Re: Gluten and Arthritis - OT

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> Rhonda - I can recommend a couple of naturopaths that are really

top notch here in the valley.

>

> Aliza

Yes, I'll take the recommendations. Unfortunately our insurance

won't cover it. But I do have a flex spending account and could use

some of it for going to a naturopath. Gonna have to be one that

believes wholeheartedly in raw dairy, but I guess that goes without

saying doesn't it?

Rhonda

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Re: Gluten and Arthritis - OT

> Rhonda - I can recommend a couple of naturopaths that are really top notch here in the valley.> > AlizaYes, I'll take the recommendations. Unfortunately our insurance won't cover it. But I do have a flex spending account and could use some of it for going to a naturopath. Gonna have to be one that believes wholeheartedly in raw dairy, but I guess that goes without saying doesn't it?Rhonda

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Re: Gluten and Arthritis - OT

> Rhonda - I can recommend a couple of naturopaths that are really top notch here in the valley.> > AlizaYes, I'll take the recommendations. Unfortunately our insurance won't cover it. But I do have a flex spending account and could use some of it for going to a naturopath. Gonna have to be one that believes wholeheartedly in raw dairy, but I guess that goes without saying doesn't it?Rhonda

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KC, Your so " very " lucky not to have it.

Ever since I was a CNA for many many years I've seen how painfull

Arthritis was for the many people I cared for.

One little lady (about 90 pounds) would wait as song as she could for

her pottie chair time until I came on shift for me to pick her up and put

her on it. She always told me that was so carefull and hardly ever hurt her.

I don't know what she'd do on my days off. I do remember how she would cry

out in pain when others worked on her. She was so terribly affected by it

that the outside of her feet would lay flat on the bed, the Arthritis was so

bad in her ankles.

Now I'm starting to feel it first hand. In all the time I cared for her

I never saw her drink any milk and it wonders me that maybe if she would

have maybe it wouldn't have been so bad. I wonder.

Vick

>

>Reply-To: RawDairy

>To: RawDairy

>Subject: Re: Re: Gluten and Arthritis - OT

>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:00:22 -0500

>

>[K.C.] Mike, I guess I'm one of the lucky people who don't have

>problems with gluten. I didn't know it was in whole grains. I don't

>eat a lot of bread or flour ridden products. I do eat more oats and

>grind my own oat flour when I need it. The other times when I'm lazy,

>I get oat flour from Bob's Red Barn.

>

>[MAP] I don't have any problems with gluten either (or any other

>food), but in a way, I don't believe people like us are lucky. I think

>the gluten-intolerant people are luckier, becuase they are forced to

>stop eating foods that probably aren't good for anybody, gluten

>tolerant or otherwise, whereas we can be carefree to our possible

>detriment. For myself, based on theoretical considerations, I've

>decided to eliminate wheat and any other grains from my diet. It's a

>personal (yes, idiosyncratic and not recommended to others) commitment

>to optimal health, which can only be measured in probabilities.

>

>[K.C.] I guess I don't have arthritis either or I would be affected by

>gluten?

>

>[MAP] Most people have no detectable problems with gluten and hence

>none of the associated symptoms. Certainly among them are many

>arthritics.

>

>Mike

>SE Pennsylvania

>

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Wish I could just get totally off of it.

Vicki

>

>Reply-To: RawDairy

>To: RawDairy

>Subject: Re: Gluten and Arthritis - OT

>Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:23:04 -0000

>

>

>K.C. and Vicki

>

>Sorry I didn't catch this earlier. Gluten is in wheat, whether you

>grind it yourself or buy it ground, whole grain or not, or purchase

>anything made with it...bread pasta, cake etc. It is also in spelt,

>rye, kamut, and barley. It is not in rice, wild rice, buckwheat,

>quinoa, or corn. It is probably not in oats, but oats are often

>processed in plants that process gluten containing foods so oats can

>be a problem for some people. So if you are going to experiment you

>need to go off all gluten for a while.

>

>Ellen

>

>

>

> > That's good. I don't eat alot of bread and the bread I make is made

>with

> > whole wheat and stone ground flour.

> > Vick

> >

> > >From: " Tinybabe " <tinybabe2@r...>

> > >Reply-To: RawDairy

> > >To: <RawDairy >

> > >Subject: Re: Re: Gluten and Arthritis - OT

> > >Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:48:41 -0700

> > >

> > >

> > >Bread is where you find most of the gluten. It's in the flour. If

>you are

> > >going to eat bread, get grains you can grind or make sure the flour is

> > >gluten free or whole grain flour.

> > >

> > >K.C.

> > >

> >

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Wish I could just get totally off of it.

Vicki

>

>Reply-To: RawDairy

>To: RawDairy

>Subject: Re: Gluten and Arthritis - OT

>Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:23:04 -0000

>

>

>K.C. and Vicki

>

>Sorry I didn't catch this earlier. Gluten is in wheat, whether you

>grind it yourself or buy it ground, whole grain or not, or purchase

>anything made with it...bread pasta, cake etc. It is also in spelt,

>rye, kamut, and barley. It is not in rice, wild rice, buckwheat,

>quinoa, or corn. It is probably not in oats, but oats are often

>processed in plants that process gluten containing foods so oats can

>be a problem for some people. So if you are going to experiment you

>need to go off all gluten for a while.

>

>Ellen

>

>

>

> > That's good. I don't eat alot of bread and the bread I make is made

>with

> > whole wheat and stone ground flour.

> > Vick

> >

> > >From: " Tinybabe " <tinybabe2@r...>

> > >Reply-To: RawDairy

> > >To: <RawDairy >

> > >Subject: Re: Re: Gluten and Arthritis - OT

> > >Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:48:41 -0700

> > >

> > >

> > >Bread is where you find most of the gluten. It's in the flour. If

>you are

> > >going to eat bread, get grains you can grind or make sure the flour is

> > >gluten free or whole grain flour.

> > >

> > >K.C.

> > >

> >

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Wish I could just get totally off of it.

Vicki

>

>Reply-To: RawDairy

>To: RawDairy

>Subject: Re: Gluten and Arthritis - OT

>Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 14:23:04 -0000

>

>

>K.C. and Vicki

>

>Sorry I didn't catch this earlier. Gluten is in wheat, whether you

>grind it yourself or buy it ground, whole grain or not, or purchase

>anything made with it...bread pasta, cake etc. It is also in spelt,

>rye, kamut, and barley. It is not in rice, wild rice, buckwheat,

>quinoa, or corn. It is probably not in oats, but oats are often

>processed in plants that process gluten containing foods so oats can

>be a problem for some people. So if you are going to experiment you

>need to go off all gluten for a while.

>

>Ellen

>

>

>

> > That's good. I don't eat alot of bread and the bread I make is made

>with

> > whole wheat and stone ground flour.

> > Vick

> >

> > >From: " Tinybabe " <tinybabe2@r...>

> > >Reply-To: RawDairy

> > >To: <RawDairy >

> > >Subject: Re: Re: Gluten and Arthritis - OT

> > >Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2005 15:48:41 -0700

> > >

> > >

> > >Bread is where you find most of the gluten. It's in the flour. If

>you are

> > >going to eat bread, get grains you can grind or make sure the flour is

> > >gluten free or whole grain flour.

> > >

> > >K.C.

> > >

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They get uppity when ever you challenge them. I still think they killed my

mom with all the S--t they had her on. She was a toxic waste zone.

Why do you think they call what doctors do a " PRACTICE " ??

Vick

>

>Reply-To: RawDairy

>To: <RawDairy >

>Subject: Re: Re: Gluten and Arthritis - OT

>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 08:30:17 -0700

>

>Doctors don't know Jack S--T about nutritional supplements. A doctor told

>me that drinking aloe wouldn't help with a problem I had caused by another

>doctor and put me on one of those acid blockers. Boy did that screw me up.

> I kept up with the aloe and told the doc that he should read up on it

>since it totally took care of the problem. His attitude was, " well, if you

>need me, call " and walked out. They get real uppity when you talk

>nutrition.

>

>And yes, they have been getting kick backs for eons. May I suggest that

>you go to Great Earth's site (www.greatearth.com) and check out their NSP

>(Nutritional Supplement Program) supplements? All of their supplements are

>derived from natural resources and yes, they do use Ester C. I take the

>1000 or 1500 mg. C with bioflavonoids as well. I take the whole program

>which consists of a great multi vitamin, an anti oxidant (from dry E),

>Vitamin C and minerals (all chealated) and if you buy the whole program,

>you get the minerals free. Been taking them for years. Even got my dad to

>start years ago and I think that's why he's in such good shape for 85. My

>mom refuses to take anything and has weak bones and other problems.

>

>I'm sorry to sound like an advertisement, but I've checked out many vitamin

>supplements and none compare in potency. They aren't cheap, but they are

>well worth it.

>

>I think the raw dairy has helped me as well. There's nothing that can be

>done for the nerve damage I've suffered, but at least the rest of me is

>still working OK for an old broad.

>

>Buck up, doctors don't know everything. Keep researching the meds and do

>what is best for YOU. The raw dairy and good supplementation will probably

>do better then all the meds, but you can't just stop taking meds without

>researching it first. You have to remember, the meds you are taking were

>created because there was, at one time, a more natural thing that helped

>and the drug companies decided to immitate it in order to make big bucks.

>

>You might even consider getting a doctor that is more of a naturepath MD.

>At least they will work with you and not belittle you for taking a more

>natural path to health.

>

>K.C.

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Well, with nerve damage, who needs arthritis? My nerves in my arms get sporadic messages to the muscles and sometimes my hands twitch or the fingers lock up.

So it's either that or I have mild Muscular Dystrophy. Both my cousins passed from it last year within a month of each other. It's supposed to be a recessive gene. There's no test for it either. But, I was diagnosed with Thoracic Outlet Obstruction, so I'm sure it's nerve damage from a really bad fall.

K.C.

Re: Re: Gluten and Arthritis - OT>Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:00:22 -0500>>[K.C.] Mike, I guess I'm one of the lucky people who don't have>problems with gluten. I didn't know it was in whole grains. I don't>eat a lot of bread or flour ridden products. I do eat more oats and>grind my own oat flour when I need it. The other times when I'm lazy,>I get oat flour from Bob's Red Barn.>>[MAP] I don't have any problems with gluten either (or any other>food), but in a way, I don't believe people like us are lucky. I think>the gluten-intolerant people are luckier, becuase they are forced to>stop eating foods that probably aren't good for anybody, gluten>tolerant or otherwise, whereas we can be carefree to our possible>detriment. For myself, based on theoretical considerations, I've>decided to eliminate wheat and any other grains from my diet. It's a>personal (yes, idiosyncratic and not recommended to others) commitment>to optimal health, which can only be measured in probabilities.>>[K.C.] I guess I don't have arthritis either or I would be affected by >gluten?>>[MAP] Most people have no detectable problems with gluten and hence>none of the associated symptoms. Certainly among them are many>arthritics.>>Mike >SE Pennsylvania>>The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay_________________________________________________________________Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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I've been following this topic with interest but haven't been able

to post due to having visitors staying and keeping up with farm work.

I've had Rheumatoid along with other associated illness's for 17

years now and over this time have gone through periods of

eliminating this and that food from my diet for months at a time

seeking relief to no avail. Gluten is one I haven't tried, yet

despite my love of fresh bread I will do so!

I bought my first Jersey cow 18 months ago in the hope that

consuming large amounts of raw dairy would help improve my health

but during this time only my (and my partners) colesterol results

have altered for the better. But, buying that first little Jersey

cow was by far the best medicine for me. Family Cow ownership has

opened up a whole new world to me and the quality of my life is

beyond what I could ever have imagined possible. I'll happily

continue to take the convential meds., steriods, Arava and 1000 mgs

of Naprosyn (anti-inflammatory) per day as without it I'm incapable

of any physical activity. The drugs may shorten my life but quality

of life is much more important to me than quantity. When I'm

sitting in that wheelchair I'll still be buzzing with all that I've

achieved in the cow world. I now have 7 Jersey cows and a young

bull with which to breed small stature Jerseys and due to my

disabilities have developed a quick, easy way to halter train cows

which I'll sell to smallholders.

Rhonda, like your hubby I too once held reservations of these

powerful drugs. I have fortnightly blood tests to ensure that any

negative effects are picked up early.

I'll still continue seeking natural ways of eliminating pain and the

degeneration of my body that RA causes but in the meantime I'm

living again, not just existing. A recent Dexascan revealed that I

have excellent bone mineral levels which suprised my Rheumy but not

me as I've been a huge consumer of dairy for nearly 50 years,

albeit the commercial gunk before my discovery of the beautiful raw.

Cheers

Midge

NZ