Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 Maybe her liquids need to be thicken for her. Ask her doctor and have her evaluated by a speech therapist. If you can get her to eat popsicles and sherbert that would help some. My Mom has taken a likening to Sprite. It doesn't have any more sugar in it than Juicy Juice and as long as your Mom doesn't have high blood pressure the sodium count isn't too bad. Hope this is somewhat helpful. Mariea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 Hi there. Have doctors been notified of this? I am curious as to what may be causing her to choke on fluids, but not solid foods. Have you tried offering her a straw? Maybe this would help. Also, perhaps carbonated fluids may be more difficult for her to handle. I wish you the best of luck. > Dehydration > > My mother is in advanced stage of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Lewy Bodies. > She is at home with sitters. We are having problems getting her to drink > enough fluids. Her appetite is good. She frequently chokes on her fluid, > or she will hold it in her mouth without swallowing, then let it run out > of the corner. We have tried talking her through it, and gently rubbing > her neck, but to no avail. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks. DBN > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 Hi there. Have doctors been notified of this? I am curious as to what may be causing her to choke on fluids, but not solid foods. Have you tried offering her a straw? Maybe this would help. Also, perhaps carbonated fluids may be more difficult for her to handle. I wish you the best of luck. > Dehydration > > My mother is in advanced stage of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Lewy Bodies. > She is at home with sitters. We are having problems getting her to drink > enough fluids. Her appetite is good. She frequently chokes on her fluid, > or she will hold it in her mouth without swallowing, then let it run out > of the corner. We have tried talking her through it, and gently rubbing > her neck, but to no avail. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks. DBN > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 DBN A suggestion for liquids is called " Thick It " which is a thickening substance that helps when someone chokes on thin liquids. Also, try putting an empty glass up to her mouth, which may trigger her to thinking she has taken a drink and will swallow. When my dad had trouble swallowing food, it was suggested to use an empty fork/spoon so when he took a bite (or atleast he thought he did) it would trigger his memory to swallow. Best of luck!! Sandie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 DBN A suggestion for liquids is called " Thick It " which is a thickening substance that helps when someone chokes on thin liquids. Also, try putting an empty glass up to her mouth, which may trigger her to thinking she has taken a drink and will swallow. When my dad had trouble swallowing food, it was suggested to use an empty fork/spoon so when he took a bite (or atleast he thought he did) it would trigger his memory to swallow. Best of luck!! Sandie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 DBN A suggestion for liquids is called " Thick It " which is a thickening substance that helps when someone chokes on thin liquids. Also, try putting an empty glass up to her mouth, which may trigger her to thinking she has taken a drink and will swallow. When my dad had trouble swallowing food, it was suggested to use an empty fork/spoon so when he took a bite (or atleast he thought he did) it would trigger his memory to swallow. Best of luck!! Sandie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 Hi, Delphine! Has your mother had a modified barium swallow test? Her swallowing ability can be assessed by a qualified speech and swallowing therapist. Your mother may be afraid that she cannot swallow safely. Thin liquids present more of a problem than thick because they demand a swifter response of the swallowing mechanism. A thickening substance can be added to thin liquids. The first step, Delphine, is to request that your mother be evaluated. I believe Medicare will pay for it. Wishing you both luck, Bertha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 Hi, Delphine! Has your mother had a modified barium swallow test? Her swallowing ability can be assessed by a qualified speech and swallowing therapist. Your mother may be afraid that she cannot swallow safely. Thin liquids present more of a problem than thick because they demand a swifter response of the swallowing mechanism. A thickening substance can be added to thin liquids. The first step, Delphine, is to request that your mother be evaluated. I believe Medicare will pay for it. Wishing you both luck, Bertha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2002 Report Share Posted July 6, 2002 Hi Bertha, Thanks for the tip. I've never heard of that test. I've read about the thickened liquids. She does pretty well with nectars. I'll look into this test, Many thanks. Delphine Re: Dehydration Hi, Delphine! Has your mother had a modified barium swallow test? Her swallowing ability can be assessed by a qualified speech and swallowing therapist. Your mother may be afraid that she cannot swallow safely. Thin liquids present more of a problem than thick because they demand a swifter response of the swallowing mechanism. A thickening substance can be added to thin liquids. The first step, Delphine, is to request that your mother be evaluated. I believe Medicare will pay for it. Wishing you both luck, Bertha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2002 Report Share Posted July 6, 2002 Thanks, Sandie. We'll try your suggestions. DBN Re: Dehydration DBN A suggestion for liquids is called " Thick It " which is a thickening substance that helps when someone chokes on thin liquids. Also, try putting an empty glass up to her mouth, which may trigger her to thinking she has taken a drink and will swallow. When my dad had trouble swallowing food, it was suggested to use an empty fork/spoon so when he took a bite (or atleast he thought he did) it would trigger his memory to swallow. Best of luck!! Sandie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2002 Report Share Posted July 6, 2002 Delphine and Bertha My dad had one of the modified barium swallow evaluation tests done. Boy was that ever interesting to watch. Different thicknesses and textures of foods were tainted with barium dye and he sat next to an X-Ray machine. I watched as dad was given each type of food as I sat next to the technician while she evaluated how my dad swallowed. It determined if the problem was in his mouth, throat muscles, internally...wow, it was truly incredible. I watched my dads mouth open, the food put in, his jaw chewing, and the food sliding down his throat (all on the X-Ray screen). At that time it was determined that my dad was physically able to swallow, he was just having trouble " remembering " to swallow. Also, at that time it was recommended to offer him an empty spoon, which would trigger him, thinking he had " just " taken a bite, then would go through the motions chewing and swallowing. Not sure if any of this makes sense, hopefully it does. Sandie Des Moines, IA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2002 Report Share Posted July 7, 2002 Delphine, my advice is make sure she has soft food for easier swallowing. Use a straw for drinking and in my mom's case she will use the smallest cup available for drinking with pills because she can not tilt her hear back. good luck, Shirley > >Reply-To: LBDcaregivers >To: <LBDcaregivers > >Subject: Dehydration >Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:21:05 -0400 > >My mother is in advanced stage of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Lewy Bodies. >She is at home with sitters. We are having problems getting her to drink >enough fluids. Her appetite is good. She frequently chokes on her fluid, >or she will hold it in her mouth without swallowing, then let it run out >of the corner. We have tried talking her through it, and gently rubbing >her neck, but to no avail. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >Thanks. DBN > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 OH gag me, pickle juice?? EWWWWWWWWW!!! I can handle water and gatorade, even pedialite, but pickle juice? ICKY!! Thanks for the list! I can see easily that my lack of fluids could be a big cause of many of the symptoms I have lately... low blood pressure cold clammy skin fainting leg and back cramps wrinkled skin and skin standing when pinched Headaches weakness irritability (OK, I am just a bitch, can't blame that on dehydration) sudden weight loss (I can drop 8-10 pounds overnight) I have drank 3 bottles of water so far this morning, and I am going to put extra effort into laying off the coffee and tea and drinking more water and sports drinks. Maybe some warm herbal teas (mint or lemon, nothing with caffiene) would help as well...... I am working on it, I swear! It's scary when you hit the floor and have to sit there in a cold sweat and wait for your ears to stop ringing and your head to stop spinning, plus it tends to freak the kids out a bit! It was easier (though I STILL had problems) to stay hydrated when it was hot and I felt thirsty, but once it gets cold, I just lose interest in drinking fluids.....but I am trying to get back in the habit of sipping all day long again...... Sip sip sip.....walk, walk, walk, even 2 years later I might as well realize that this is a lifelong change and I better adjust! Cindee DS_Friends_Keshishian , " Jo " <moobabies@h...> wrote: > > Cindee: > > I cut and pasted some info on dehydration. When dehydrated, Dr. K > often recommends drinking as much pickle juice as you can stand and > drinking tons of fluids. Also you may need to go in and get I.V. > hydrated. Drink gaterade, drink hot Non-caffeine tea's and coffee, > drink hot chocolate, drink milk, JUST DRINK! :} Dr. K has said " as > DSers you will " forever " have to be more aware of becoming > deyhdrated than other people " . We can become dehydrated faster and > more severely. > > > Some Initial Symptoms of Dehydration- > Thirst; sudden weight loss; rough, dry skin; dry mucous membranes; > weak irregular rapid heart beat; low blood pressure; lack of energy; > general weakness; rapid and shallow breathing; Dizzyness/fainting; > blood tests would reveal thickening of the blood because of > decreased water content. > > Symptoms of early or mild dehydration include: > > flushed face > extreme thirst, more than normal or unable to drink > dry, warm skin > cannot pass urine or reduced amounts, dark, yellow > dizziness made worse when you are standing > weakness > cramping in the arms and legs > crying with few or no tears > sleepy or irritable > unwell > headaches > dry mouth, dry tongue; with thick saliva. > > Symptoms of moderate to severe dehydration include: > > low blood pressure > fainting > severe muscle contractions in the arms, legs, stomach, and back > convulsions > a bloated stomach > heart failure > sunken fontanelle - soft spot on a infants head > sunken dry eyes, with few or no tears > skin loses its firmness and looks wrinkled > lack of elasticity of the skin (when a bit of skin lifted up stays > folded and takes a long time to go back to its normal position) > rapid and deep breathing - faster than normal > fast, weak pulse > In severe dehydration, these effects become more pronounced and the > patient may develop evidence of hypovolaemic shock, including: > diminished consciousness, lack of urine output, cool moist > extremities, a rapid and feeble pulse (the radial pulse may be > undetectable), low or undetectable blood pressure, and peripheral > cyanosis. Death follows soon if rehydration is not started quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 I think for a lot of us, it never occurs we are dehydrated. We drink Cokes all day, or coffee, or whatever... and we think, " there's water in these drinks " . And you hear how important water is but think it's somebody else's problem, we could never be experiencing this. But coffee, soft drinks, etc. cause dehydration. You must drink water. And if you drink coffee or soft drinks, you have to drink more water to compensate. If you drink alcohol, same thing. So don't assume because you always have a cup in your hand this can't be happening. I've been told for a long time I had chronic dehydration and needed to increase my intake. I didn't take it seriously because I always had a can of soda or something nearby. Not the same thing. J > Very interesting observation and very true. I've made a habit of > drinking a lot of water lately, which started when I was coughing a > lot and it has helped me too. I keep water bedside so if I get a very > dry throat (not sure if it's the asthma or MG which I have also, or > just sinus). > BarbB > > On Monday, February 28, 2005, at 08:51 AM, Jeff Questad wrote: > >> I notice most of the posts in this group are about which drugs are >> working for people. And it's valuable info. So keep it up. >> >> But I'm looking at some other things too and would love to hear >> dialogue on issues like.... dehydration. >> >> This is what I know. Would love to hear what others know or think >> about this. >> >> The body will do anything to keep itself hydrated. The brain, in >> particular, needs water. If you are dehydrated (which is extremely >> common in America because of coffee, soft drinks, alcohol...) the body >> will go into action to prevent water loss. A principle place the body >> expels water.... respiration. How does the body deal with water loss >> thru the lungs, which it regards as a crisis situation? >> >> It produces histamines in order to constrict the lungs and prevent >> respiratory water loss! >> >> Unfortunately, it also prevents breathing >> >> I was rather shocked to find this out. The first response of a >> dehydrated body is to create histamines! Which pervade the body >> causing what we see as asthma, allergies... both of which I suffer >> severely from right now. And the first thing your doctor will do if >> you have allergies and asthma is prescribe antihistamines. A primary >> effect of these drugs is.... >> >> Dehydration. >> >> Are we in a cycle of dehydration and immune system response, confused >> by medication. After a few years of being chronically dehydrated, is >> the immune system in shambles from this crazy hydration dehydration >> cycle, and the immune system insanity it causes? Is this why people >> who suffer from these ailments often also have kidney problems? (I >> did, when I was younger. And I see a Chinese physician who tells me I >> have kidney weakness and imbalance.) >> >> So I started drinking water like mad a few days ago, and I have felt >> different. I was recently in the hospital, and I've been sicker than >> ever this year. I'm on intense meds right now, the kind the doctors >> say will completely stop all symptoms. They are not. I'm still >> having >> intense allergies, and some difficulty breathing especially at night,, >> despite steroids, albuterol, allergy pills.... >> >> One of the reasons I think this water thing is real is this: >> >> I tend to have more trouble breathing at night. I've spent whole >> nights during crisis periods sleeping with an inhaler in my hand. >> Right now, my breathing is 95% fine because of the steroids and >> whatnot. But the one time I feel tightness in my chest is when I wake >> up. I always wake up a little out of breath. Always. No matter what >> kinds of drugs I am taking. >> >> I always presumed this had something to do with being horizontal, >> perhaps congestion that settled in because of my body position. But I >> realized as I contemplated how much water I drink or don't drink, the >> main time I go without water is at night. I tend to stop drinking >> water in the evening and sometimes it's noon the next day before I >> start realizing I'm thirsty. By then it's too late. The body is not >> meant to be without water for 12 hours or more. It's insane. And if >> you have coffee in the morning, the body is going to freak out. >> Caffeine has a severe effect on the water systems of the body. To go >> all night without water, drink coffee in the morning.... it's >> madness. >> No matter what you suffer from. >> >> So the last few days I've been drinking water before bed, keeping >> water >> by my bed at night, drinking more the minute I get up and of course >> drinking all day while working. And I feel dramatically better. Most >> interesting.... I believe I woke up tight this morning, and drank two >> glasses of water and felt it loosen up. A dehydrated body produces >> histamines. Histamines will close the lungs. Will water let the body >> relax and pull back? >> >> Obviously, not suggesting anyone give up meds for water. But wonder >> what else anyone else knows about this? Anyone else feel this may be >> what's going on, or had positive results from intense consumption of >> water? >> >> Thanks >> Jeff >> >> > <image.tiff> >> >> > <image.tiff> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 I think for a lot of us, it never occurs we are dehydrated. We drink Cokes all day, or coffee, or whatever... and we think, " there's water in these drinks " . And you hear how important water is but think it's somebody else's problem, we could never be experiencing this. But coffee, soft drinks, etc. cause dehydration. You must drink water. And if you drink coffee or soft drinks, you have to drink more water to compensate. If you drink alcohol, same thing. So don't assume because you always have a cup in your hand this can't be happening. I've been told for a long time I had chronic dehydration and needed to increase my intake. I didn't take it seriously because I always had a can of soda or something nearby. Not the same thing. J > Very interesting observation and very true. I've made a habit of > drinking a lot of water lately, which started when I was coughing a > lot and it has helped me too. I keep water bedside so if I get a very > dry throat (not sure if it's the asthma or MG which I have also, or > just sinus). > BarbB > > On Monday, February 28, 2005, at 08:51 AM, Jeff Questad wrote: > >> I notice most of the posts in this group are about which drugs are >> working for people. And it's valuable info. So keep it up. >> >> But I'm looking at some other things too and would love to hear >> dialogue on issues like.... dehydration. >> >> This is what I know. Would love to hear what others know or think >> about this. >> >> The body will do anything to keep itself hydrated. The brain, in >> particular, needs water. If you are dehydrated (which is extremely >> common in America because of coffee, soft drinks, alcohol...) the body >> will go into action to prevent water loss. A principle place the body >> expels water.... respiration. How does the body deal with water loss >> thru the lungs, which it regards as a crisis situation? >> >> It produces histamines in order to constrict the lungs and prevent >> respiratory water loss! >> >> Unfortunately, it also prevents breathing >> >> I was rather shocked to find this out. The first response of a >> dehydrated body is to create histamines! Which pervade the body >> causing what we see as asthma, allergies... both of which I suffer >> severely from right now. And the first thing your doctor will do if >> you have allergies and asthma is prescribe antihistamines. A primary >> effect of these drugs is.... >> >> Dehydration. >> >> Are we in a cycle of dehydration and immune system response, confused >> by medication. After a few years of being chronically dehydrated, is >> the immune system in shambles from this crazy hydration dehydration >> cycle, and the immune system insanity it causes? Is this why people >> who suffer from these ailments often also have kidney problems? (I >> did, when I was younger. And I see a Chinese physician who tells me I >> have kidney weakness and imbalance.) >> >> So I started drinking water like mad a few days ago, and I have felt >> different. I was recently in the hospital, and I've been sicker than >> ever this year. I'm on intense meds right now, the kind the doctors >> say will completely stop all symptoms. They are not. I'm still >> having >> intense allergies, and some difficulty breathing especially at night,, >> despite steroids, albuterol, allergy pills.... >> >> One of the reasons I think this water thing is real is this: >> >> I tend to have more trouble breathing at night. I've spent whole >> nights during crisis periods sleeping with an inhaler in my hand. >> Right now, my breathing is 95% fine because of the steroids and >> whatnot. But the one time I feel tightness in my chest is when I wake >> up. I always wake up a little out of breath. Always. No matter what >> kinds of drugs I am taking. >> >> I always presumed this had something to do with being horizontal, >> perhaps congestion that settled in because of my body position. But I >> realized as I contemplated how much water I drink or don't drink, the >> main time I go without water is at night. I tend to stop drinking >> water in the evening and sometimes it's noon the next day before I >> start realizing I'm thirsty. By then it's too late. The body is not >> meant to be without water for 12 hours or more. It's insane. And if >> you have coffee in the morning, the body is going to freak out. >> Caffeine has a severe effect on the water systems of the body. To go >> all night without water, drink coffee in the morning.... it's >> madness. >> No matter what you suffer from. >> >> So the last few days I've been drinking water before bed, keeping >> water >> by my bed at night, drinking more the minute I get up and of course >> drinking all day while working. And I feel dramatically better. Most >> interesting.... I believe I woke up tight this morning, and drank two >> glasses of water and felt it loosen up. A dehydrated body produces >> histamines. Histamines will close the lungs. Will water let the body >> relax and pull back? >> >> Obviously, not suggesting anyone give up meds for water. But wonder >> what else anyone else knows about this? Anyone else feel this may be >> what's going on, or had positive results from intense consumption of >> water? >> >> Thanks >> Jeff >> >> > <image.tiff> >> >> > <image.tiff> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 I think for a lot of us, it never occurs we are dehydrated. We drink Cokes all day, or coffee, or whatever... and we think, " there's water in these drinks " . And you hear how important water is but think it's somebody else's problem, we could never be experiencing this. But coffee, soft drinks, etc. cause dehydration. You must drink water. And if you drink coffee or soft drinks, you have to drink more water to compensate. If you drink alcohol, same thing. So don't assume because you always have a cup in your hand this can't be happening. I've been told for a long time I had chronic dehydration and needed to increase my intake. I didn't take it seriously because I always had a can of soda or something nearby. Not the same thing. J > Very interesting observation and very true. I've made a habit of > drinking a lot of water lately, which started when I was coughing a > lot and it has helped me too. I keep water bedside so if I get a very > dry throat (not sure if it's the asthma or MG which I have also, or > just sinus). > BarbB > > On Monday, February 28, 2005, at 08:51 AM, Jeff Questad wrote: > >> I notice most of the posts in this group are about which drugs are >> working for people. And it's valuable info. So keep it up. >> >> But I'm looking at some other things too and would love to hear >> dialogue on issues like.... dehydration. >> >> This is what I know. Would love to hear what others know or think >> about this. >> >> The body will do anything to keep itself hydrated. The brain, in >> particular, needs water. If you are dehydrated (which is extremely >> common in America because of coffee, soft drinks, alcohol...) the body >> will go into action to prevent water loss. A principle place the body >> expels water.... respiration. How does the body deal with water loss >> thru the lungs, which it regards as a crisis situation? >> >> It produces histamines in order to constrict the lungs and prevent >> respiratory water loss! >> >> Unfortunately, it also prevents breathing >> >> I was rather shocked to find this out. The first response of a >> dehydrated body is to create histamines! Which pervade the body >> causing what we see as asthma, allergies... both of which I suffer >> severely from right now. And the first thing your doctor will do if >> you have allergies and asthma is prescribe antihistamines. A primary >> effect of these drugs is.... >> >> Dehydration. >> >> Are we in a cycle of dehydration and immune system response, confused >> by medication. After a few years of being chronically dehydrated, is >> the immune system in shambles from this crazy hydration dehydration >> cycle, and the immune system insanity it causes? Is this why people >> who suffer from these ailments often also have kidney problems? (I >> did, when I was younger. And I see a Chinese physician who tells me I >> have kidney weakness and imbalance.) >> >> So I started drinking water like mad a few days ago, and I have felt >> different. I was recently in the hospital, and I've been sicker than >> ever this year. I'm on intense meds right now, the kind the doctors >> say will completely stop all symptoms. They are not. I'm still >> having >> intense allergies, and some difficulty breathing especially at night,, >> despite steroids, albuterol, allergy pills.... >> >> One of the reasons I think this water thing is real is this: >> >> I tend to have more trouble breathing at night. I've spent whole >> nights during crisis periods sleeping with an inhaler in my hand. >> Right now, my breathing is 95% fine because of the steroids and >> whatnot. But the one time I feel tightness in my chest is when I wake >> up. I always wake up a little out of breath. Always. No matter what >> kinds of drugs I am taking. >> >> I always presumed this had something to do with being horizontal, >> perhaps congestion that settled in because of my body position. But I >> realized as I contemplated how much water I drink or don't drink, the >> main time I go without water is at night. I tend to stop drinking >> water in the evening and sometimes it's noon the next day before I >> start realizing I'm thirsty. By then it's too late. The body is not >> meant to be without water for 12 hours or more. It's insane. And if >> you have coffee in the morning, the body is going to freak out. >> Caffeine has a severe effect on the water systems of the body. To go >> all night without water, drink coffee in the morning.... it's >> madness. >> No matter what you suffer from. >> >> So the last few days I've been drinking water before bed, keeping >> water >> by my bed at night, drinking more the minute I get up and of course >> drinking all day while working. And I feel dramatically better. Most >> interesting.... I believe I woke up tight this morning, and drank two >> glasses of water and felt it loosen up. A dehydrated body produces >> histamines. Histamines will close the lungs. Will water let the body >> relax and pull back? >> >> Obviously, not suggesting anyone give up meds for water. But wonder >> what else anyone else knows about this? Anyone else feel this may be >> what's going on, or had positive results from intense consumption of >> water? >> >> Thanks >> Jeff >> >> > <image.tiff> >> >> > <image.tiff> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2005 Report Share Posted February 28, 2005 Hi guys - Water has always been a regular part of my routine, that's pretty much all I drink. I continually drink it from 6:30 a.m. till about 11:00 p.m. It makes since to keep the body hydrated and I was stunned to find out that dehydration causes the body to produce histamines. I'll keep drinking the water and stay on my Singular once a day. It works for me and hopefully some more of you will get your asthma under control soon. Always in my prayers. Betty : )June Fraser wrote: Jeff this is really interesting, I haven't tried it but I wake like you every night regardless of the huge regime of drugs. Coffee and a brandy at night to stop the drug induced nausea is my usual regime and I drink gallons of tea and fruit juice in the day. But I will give the water a go and let you know if I see any difference. I think we should try as many things as possible and Chinese medicine is great for treating underlying problems.Will let you know if I see any difference.Regards from June>> I notice most of the posts in this group are about which drugs are> working for people. And it's valuable info. So keep it up.>> But I'm looking at some other things too and would love to hear> dialogue on issues like.... dehydration.>> This is what I know. Would love to hear what others know or think> about this.>> The body will do anything to keep itself hydrated. The brain, in> particular, needs water. If you are dehydrated (which is extremely> common in America because of coffee, soft drinks, alcohol...) the body> will go into action to prevent water loss. A principle place the body> expels water.... respiration. How does the body deal with water loss> thru the lungs, which it regards as a crisis situation?>> It produces histamines in order to constrict the lungs and prevent> respiratory water loss!>> Unfortunately, it also prevents breathing >> I was rather shocked to find this out. The first response of a> dehydrated body is to create histamines! Which pervade the body> causing what we see as asthma, allergies... both of which I suffer> severely from right now. And the first thing your doctor will do if> you have allergies and asthma is prescribe antihistamines. A primary> effect of these drugs is....>> Dehydration.>> Are we in a cycle of dehydration and immune system response, confused> by medication. After a few years of being chronically dehydrated, is> the immune system in shambles from this crazy hydration dehydration> cycle, and the immune system insanity it causes? Is this why people> who suffer from these ailments often also have kidney problems? (I> did, when I was younger. And I see a Chinese physician who tells me I> have kidney weakness and imbalance.)>> So I started drinking water like mad a few days ago, and I have felt> different. I was recently in the hospital, and I've been sicker than> ever this year. I'm on intense meds right now, the kind the doctors> say will completely stop all symptoms. They are not. I'm still having> intense allergies, and some difficulty breathing especially at night,,> despite steroids, albuterol, allergy pills....>> One of the reasons I think this water thing is real is this:>> I tend to have more trouble breathing at night. I've spent whole> nights during crisis periods sleeping with an inhaler in my hand.> Right now, my breathing is 95% fine because of the steroids and> whatnot. But the one time I feel tightness in my chest is when I wake> up. I always wake up a little out of breath. Always. No matter what> kinds of drugs I am taking.>> I always presumed this had something to do with being horizontal,> perhaps congestion that settled in because of my body position. But I> realized as I contemplated how much water I drink or don't drink, the> main time I go without water is at night. I tend to stop drinking> water in the evening and sometimes it's noon the next day before I> start realizing I'm thirsty. By then it's too late. The body is not> meant to be without water for 12 hours or more. It's insane. And if> you have coffee in the morning, the body is going to freak out.> Caffeine has a severe effect on the water systems of the body. To go> all night without water, drink coffee in the morning.... it's madness.> No matter what you suffer from.>> So the last few days I've been drinking water before bed, keeping water> by my bed at night, drinking more the minute I get up and of course> drinking all day while working. And I feel dramatically better. Most> interesting.... I believe I woke up tight this morning, and drank two> glasses of water and felt it loosen up. A dehydrated body produces> histamines. Histamines will close the lungs. Will water let the body> relax and pull back?>> Obviously, not suggesting anyone give up meds for water. But wonder> what else anyone else knows about this? Anyone else feel this may be> what's going on, or had positive results from intense consumption of> water?>> Thanks> Jeff>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 Jeff, That does make sense. Mr Doctor Told me that drinking water alone if you are dehydrated severly is not enough. She sugested Gator Aid or another sports drink because of the electrolytes to help you get rehydrated quicker. Just 1-2 glasses a day. I did this for 2-3 months and now it is no longer necessary, although I still make sure to drink plenty of water. -- - In asthma , Jeff Questad <jeffquestad@j...> wrote: > I notice most of the posts in this group are about which drugs are > working for people. And it's valuable info. So keep it up. > > But I'm looking at some other things too and would love to hear > dialogue on issues like.... dehydration. > > This is what I know. Would love to hear what others know or think > about this. > > The body will do anything to keep itself hydrated. The brain, in > particular, needs water. If you are dehydrated (which is extremely > common in America because of coffee, soft drinks, alcohol...) the body > will go into action to prevent water loss. A principle place the body > expels water.... respiration. How does the body deal with water loss > thru the lungs, which it regards as a crisis situation? > > It produces histamines in order to constrict the lungs and prevent > respiratory water loss! > > Unfortunately, it also prevents breathing > > I was rather shocked to find this out. The first response of a > dehydrated body is to create histamines! Which pervade the body > causing what we see as asthma, allergies... both of which I suffer > severely from right now. And the first thing your doctor will do if > you have allergies and asthma is prescribe antihistamines. A primary > effect of these drugs is.... > > Dehydration. > > Are we in a cycle of dehydration and immune system response, confused > by medication. After a few years of being chronically dehydrated, is > the immune system in shambles from this crazy hydration dehydration > cycle, and the immune system insanity it causes? Is this why people > who suffer from these ailments often also have kidney problems? (I > did, when I was younger. And I see a Chinese physician who tells me I > have kidney weakness and imbalance.) > > So I started drinking water like mad a few days ago, and I have felt > different. I was recently in the hospital, and I've been sicker than > ever this year. I'm on intense meds right now, the kind the doctors > say will completely stop all symptoms. They are not. I'm still having > intense allergies, and some difficulty breathing especially at night,, > despite steroids, albuterol, allergy pills.... > > One of the reasons I think this water thing is real is this: > > I tend to have more trouble breathing at night. I've spent whole > nights during crisis periods sleeping with an inhaler in my hand. > Right now, my breathing is 95% fine because of the steroids and > whatnot. But the one time I feel tightness in my chest is when I wake > up. I always wake up a little out of breath. Always. No matter what > kinds of drugs I am taking. > > I always presumed this had something to do with being horizontal, > perhaps congestion that settled in because of my body position. But I > realized as I contemplated how much water I drink or don't drink, the > main time I go without water is at night. I tend to stop drinking > water in the evening and sometimes it's noon the next day before I > start realizing I'm thirsty. By then it's too late. The body is not > meant to be without water for 12 hours or more. It's insane. And if > you have coffee in the morning, the body is going to freak out. > Caffeine has a severe effect on the water systems of the body. To go > all night without water, drink coffee in the morning.... it's madness. > No matter what you suffer from. > > So the last few days I've been drinking water before bed, keeping water > by my bed at night, drinking more the minute I get up and of course > drinking all day while working. And I feel dramatically better. Most > interesting.... I believe I woke up tight this morning, and drank two > glasses of water and felt it loosen up. A dehydrated body produces > histamines. Histamines will close the lungs. Will water let the body > relax and pull back? > > Obviously, not suggesting anyone give up meds for water. But wonder > what else anyone else knows about this? Anyone else feel this may be > what's going on, or had positive results from intense consumption of > water? > > Thanks > Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 I read somewhere that food allergies can effect your asthma, so that is a good thing to be aware of. Some foods do make asthma worse for some people. --- In asthma , " joycelstephens " <joycelstephens@y...> wrote: > > Another thing to look at... > > My son has been 'sensative' to dyes in food-- I figured this out by > his bowel movements. What I did not know was this is sometimes what > causes (or at least causes behavior like) ADD & ADHD in kids. > > Anyways, I am reading a book about the feingold program (google it > and you will come up with lots of stuff), but one of the symptoms > they discuss is asthma. And the threory is in some people, when > they cut out the artificial dyes, flavors and some other artificial > preservatives as well as some natural foods where similar chemicals > exist naturally (grapes, tomatoes, apples and the list goes on), the > ADD/ADHD and other symptoms go away. > > Not that I expect this to affect my son's asthma (I just want to > change the consistancy of his bowel movements), but it may be > something you want to look at. Do you eat alot of some of these > foods when you are feeling your worst that just makes it progress? > > I have known to keep the dyes out of his system for a while, but > was shocked to read some of the food that also have the salicylates > in them. And as soon as I started reading ingrediants on boxes, > stuff started falling into place as to why I have problems even when > I knew he had not had any dyes. > > Just another thought. Good Luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice most of the posts in this group are about which > drugs are > > > > working for people. And it's valuable info. So keep it up. > > > > > > > > But I'm looking at some other things too and would love to > hear > > > > dialogue on issues like.... dehydration. > > > > > > > > This is what I know. Would love to hear what others know or > think > > > > about this. > > > > > > > > The body will do anything to keep itself hydrated. The > brain, in > > > > particular, needs water. If you are dehydrated (which is > extremely > > > > common in America because of coffee, soft drinks, alcohol...) > the > > > body > > > > will go into action to prevent water loss. A principle place > the > > > body > > > > expels water.... respiration. How does the body deal with > water > > > loss > > > > thru the lungs, which it regards as a crisis situation? > > > > > > > > It produces histamines in order to constrict the lungs and > prevent > > > > respiratory water loss! > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, it also prevents breathing > > > > > > > > I was rather shocked to find this out. The first response of > a > > > > dehydrated body is to create histamines! Which pervade the > body > > > > causing what we see as asthma, allergies... both of which I > suffer > > > > severely from right now. And the first thing your doctor > will do if > > > > you have allergies and asthma is prescribe antihistamines. A > > > primary > > > > effect of these drugs is.... > > > > > > > > Dehydration. > > > > > > > > Are we in a cycle of dehydration and immune system response, > > > confused > > > > by medication. After a few years of being chronically > dehydrated, > > > is > > > > the immune system in shambles from this crazy hydration > dehydration > > > > cycle, and the immune system insanity it causes? Is this why > people > > > > who suffer from these ailments often also have kidney > problems? (I > > > > did, when I was younger. And I see a Chinese physician who > tells > > > me I > > > > have kidney weakness and imbalance.) > > > > > > > > So I started drinking water like mad a few days ago, and I > have felt > > > > different. I was recently in the hospital, and I've been > sicker > > > than > > > > ever this year. I'm on intense meds right now, the kind the > doctors > > > > say will completely stop all symptoms. They are not. I'm > still > > > having > > > > intense allergies, and some difficulty breathing especially > at > > > night,, > > > > despite steroids, albuterol, allergy pills.... > > > > > > > > One of the reasons I think this water thing is real is this: > > > > > > > > I tend to have more trouble breathing at night. I've spent > whole > > > > nights during crisis periods sleeping with an inhaler in my > hand. > > > > Right now, my breathing is 95% fine because of the steroids > and > > > > whatnot. But the one time I feel tightness in my chest is > when I > > > wake > > > > up. I always wake up a little out of breath. Always. No > matter > > > what > > > > kinds of drugs I am taking. > > > > > > > > I always presumed this had something to do with being > horizontal, > > > > perhaps congestion that settled in because of my body > position. > > > But I > > > > realized as I contemplated how much water I drink or don't > drink, > > > the > > > > main time I go without water is at night. I tend to stop > drinking > > > > water in the evening and sometimes it's noon the next day > before I > > > > start realizing I'm thirsty. By then it's too late. The > body is > > > not > > > > meant to be without water for 12 hours or more. It's > insane. And > > > if > > > > you have coffee in the morning, the body is going to freak > out. > > > > Caffeine has a severe effect on the water systems of the > body. To > > > go > > > > all night without water, drink coffee in the morning.... it's > > > madness. > > > > No matter what you suffer from. > > > > > > > > So the last few days I've been drinking water before bed, > keeping > > > water > > > > by my bed at night, drinking more the minute I get up and of > course > > > > drinking all day while working. And I feel dramatically > better. > > > Most > > > > interesting.... I believe I woke up tight this morning, and > drank > > > two > > > > glasses of water and felt it loosen up. A dehydrated body > produces > > > > histamines. Histamines will close the lungs. Will water let > the > > > body > > > > relax and pull back? > > > > > > > > Obviously, not suggesting anyone give up meds for water. But > wonder > > > > what else anyone else knows about this? Anyone else feel > this may > > > be > > > > what's going on, or had positive results from intense > consumption of > > > > water? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 I read somewhere that food allergies can effect your asthma, so that is a good thing to be aware of. Some foods do make asthma worse for some people. --- In asthma , " joycelstephens " <joycelstephens@y...> wrote: > > Another thing to look at... > > My son has been 'sensative' to dyes in food-- I figured this out by > his bowel movements. What I did not know was this is sometimes what > causes (or at least causes behavior like) ADD & ADHD in kids. > > Anyways, I am reading a book about the feingold program (google it > and you will come up with lots of stuff), but one of the symptoms > they discuss is asthma. And the threory is in some people, when > they cut out the artificial dyes, flavors and some other artificial > preservatives as well as some natural foods where similar chemicals > exist naturally (grapes, tomatoes, apples and the list goes on), the > ADD/ADHD and other symptoms go away. > > Not that I expect this to affect my son's asthma (I just want to > change the consistancy of his bowel movements), but it may be > something you want to look at. Do you eat alot of some of these > foods when you are feeling your worst that just makes it progress? > > I have known to keep the dyes out of his system for a while, but > was shocked to read some of the food that also have the salicylates > in them. And as soon as I started reading ingrediants on boxes, > stuff started falling into place as to why I have problems even when > I knew he had not had any dyes. > > Just another thought. Good Luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice most of the posts in this group are about which > drugs are > > > > working for people. And it's valuable info. So keep it up. > > > > > > > > But I'm looking at some other things too and would love to > hear > > > > dialogue on issues like.... dehydration. > > > > > > > > This is what I know. Would love to hear what others know or > think > > > > about this. > > > > > > > > The body will do anything to keep itself hydrated. The > brain, in > > > > particular, needs water. If you are dehydrated (which is > extremely > > > > common in America because of coffee, soft drinks, alcohol...) > the > > > body > > > > will go into action to prevent water loss. A principle place > the > > > body > > > > expels water.... respiration. How does the body deal with > water > > > loss > > > > thru the lungs, which it regards as a crisis situation? > > > > > > > > It produces histamines in order to constrict the lungs and > prevent > > > > respiratory water loss! > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, it also prevents breathing > > > > > > > > I was rather shocked to find this out. The first response of > a > > > > dehydrated body is to create histamines! Which pervade the > body > > > > causing what we see as asthma, allergies... both of which I > suffer > > > > severely from right now. And the first thing your doctor > will do if > > > > you have allergies and asthma is prescribe antihistamines. A > > > primary > > > > effect of these drugs is.... > > > > > > > > Dehydration. > > > > > > > > Are we in a cycle of dehydration and immune system response, > > > confused > > > > by medication. After a few years of being chronically > dehydrated, > > > is > > > > the immune system in shambles from this crazy hydration > dehydration > > > > cycle, and the immune system insanity it causes? Is this why > people > > > > who suffer from these ailments often also have kidney > problems? (I > > > > did, when I was younger. And I see a Chinese physician who > tells > > > me I > > > > have kidney weakness and imbalance.) > > > > > > > > So I started drinking water like mad a few days ago, and I > have felt > > > > different. I was recently in the hospital, and I've been > sicker > > > than > > > > ever this year. I'm on intense meds right now, the kind the > doctors > > > > say will completely stop all symptoms. They are not. I'm > still > > > having > > > > intense allergies, and some difficulty breathing especially > at > > > night,, > > > > despite steroids, albuterol, allergy pills.... > > > > > > > > One of the reasons I think this water thing is real is this: > > > > > > > > I tend to have more trouble breathing at night. I've spent > whole > > > > nights during crisis periods sleeping with an inhaler in my > hand. > > > > Right now, my breathing is 95% fine because of the steroids > and > > > > whatnot. But the one time I feel tightness in my chest is > when I > > > wake > > > > up. I always wake up a little out of breath. Always. No > matter > > > what > > > > kinds of drugs I am taking. > > > > > > > > I always presumed this had something to do with being > horizontal, > > > > perhaps congestion that settled in because of my body > position. > > > But I > > > > realized as I contemplated how much water I drink or don't > drink, > > > the > > > > main time I go without water is at night. I tend to stop > drinking > > > > water in the evening and sometimes it's noon the next day > before I > > > > start realizing I'm thirsty. By then it's too late. The > body is > > > not > > > > meant to be without water for 12 hours or more. It's > insane. And > > > if > > > > you have coffee in the morning, the body is going to freak > out. > > > > Caffeine has a severe effect on the water systems of the > body. To > > > go > > > > all night without water, drink coffee in the morning.... it's > > > madness. > > > > No matter what you suffer from. > > > > > > > > So the last few days I've been drinking water before bed, > keeping > > > water > > > > by my bed at night, drinking more the minute I get up and of > course > > > > drinking all day while working. And I feel dramatically > better. > > > Most > > > > interesting.... I believe I woke up tight this morning, and > drank > > > two > > > > glasses of water and felt it loosen up. A dehydrated body > produces > > > > histamines. Histamines will close the lungs. Will water let > the > > > body > > > > relax and pull back? > > > > > > > > Obviously, not suggesting anyone give up meds for water. But > wonder > > > > what else anyone else knows about this? Anyone else feel > this may > > > be > > > > what's going on, or had positive results from intense > consumption of > > > > water? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2005 Report Share Posted March 1, 2005 I read somewhere that food allergies can effect your asthma, so that is a good thing to be aware of. Some foods do make asthma worse for some people. --- In asthma , " joycelstephens " <joycelstephens@y...> wrote: > > Another thing to look at... > > My son has been 'sensative' to dyes in food-- I figured this out by > his bowel movements. What I did not know was this is sometimes what > causes (or at least causes behavior like) ADD & ADHD in kids. > > Anyways, I am reading a book about the feingold program (google it > and you will come up with lots of stuff), but one of the symptoms > they discuss is asthma. And the threory is in some people, when > they cut out the artificial dyes, flavors and some other artificial > preservatives as well as some natural foods where similar chemicals > exist naturally (grapes, tomatoes, apples and the list goes on), the > ADD/ADHD and other symptoms go away. > > Not that I expect this to affect my son's asthma (I just want to > change the consistancy of his bowel movements), but it may be > something you want to look at. Do you eat alot of some of these > foods when you are feeling your worst that just makes it progress? > > I have known to keep the dyes out of his system for a while, but > was shocked to read some of the food that also have the salicylates > in them. And as soon as I started reading ingrediants on boxes, > stuff started falling into place as to why I have problems even when > I knew he had not had any dyes. > > Just another thought. Good Luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I notice most of the posts in this group are about which > drugs are > > > > working for people. And it's valuable info. So keep it up. > > > > > > > > But I'm looking at some other things too and would love to > hear > > > > dialogue on issues like.... dehydration. > > > > > > > > This is what I know. Would love to hear what others know or > think > > > > about this. > > > > > > > > The body will do anything to keep itself hydrated. The > brain, in > > > > particular, needs water. If you are dehydrated (which is > extremely > > > > common in America because of coffee, soft drinks, alcohol...) > the > > > body > > > > will go into action to prevent water loss. A principle place > the > > > body > > > > expels water.... respiration. How does the body deal with > water > > > loss > > > > thru the lungs, which it regards as a crisis situation? > > > > > > > > It produces histamines in order to constrict the lungs and > prevent > > > > respiratory water loss! > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, it also prevents breathing > > > > > > > > I was rather shocked to find this out. The first response of > a > > > > dehydrated body is to create histamines! Which pervade the > body > > > > causing what we see as asthma, allergies... both of which I > suffer > > > > severely from right now. And the first thing your doctor > will do if > > > > you have allergies and asthma is prescribe antihistamines. A > > > primary > > > > effect of these drugs is.... > > > > > > > > Dehydration. > > > > > > > > Are we in a cycle of dehydration and immune system response, > > > confused > > > > by medication. After a few years of being chronically > dehydrated, > > > is > > > > the immune system in shambles from this crazy hydration > dehydration > > > > cycle, and the immune system insanity it causes? Is this why > people > > > > who suffer from these ailments often also have kidney > problems? (I > > > > did, when I was younger. And I see a Chinese physician who > tells > > > me I > > > > have kidney weakness and imbalance.) > > > > > > > > So I started drinking water like mad a few days ago, and I > have felt > > > > different. I was recently in the hospital, and I've been > sicker > > > than > > > > ever this year. I'm on intense meds right now, the kind the > doctors > > > > say will completely stop all symptoms. They are not. I'm > still > > > having > > > > intense allergies, and some difficulty breathing especially > at > > > night,, > > > > despite steroids, albuterol, allergy pills.... > > > > > > > > One of the reasons I think this water thing is real is this: > > > > > > > > I tend to have more trouble breathing at night. I've spent > whole > > > > nights during crisis periods sleeping with an inhaler in my > hand. > > > > Right now, my breathing is 95% fine because of the steroids > and > > > > whatnot. But the one time I feel tightness in my chest is > when I > > > wake > > > > up. I always wake up a little out of breath. Always. No > matter > > > what > > > > kinds of drugs I am taking. > > > > > > > > I always presumed this had something to do with being > horizontal, > > > > perhaps congestion that settled in because of my body > position. > > > But I > > > > realized as I contemplated how much water I drink or don't > drink, > > > the > > > > main time I go without water is at night. I tend to stop > drinking > > > > water in the evening and sometimes it's noon the next day > before I > > > > start realizing I'm thirsty. By then it's too late. The > body is > > > not > > > > meant to be without water for 12 hours or more. It's > insane. And > > > if > > > > you have coffee in the morning, the body is going to freak > out. > > > > Caffeine has a severe effect on the water systems of the > body. To > > > go > > > > all night without water, drink coffee in the morning.... it's > > > madness. > > > > No matter what you suffer from. > > > > > > > > So the last few days I've been drinking water before bed, > keeping > > > water > > > > by my bed at night, drinking more the minute I get up and of > course > > > > drinking all day while working. And I feel dramatically > better. > > > Most > > > > interesting.... I believe I woke up tight this morning, and > drank > > > two > > > > glasses of water and felt it loosen up. A dehydrated body > produces > > > > histamines. Histamines will close the lungs. Will water let > the > > > body > > > > relax and pull back? > > > > > > > > Obviously, not suggesting anyone give up meds for water. But > wonder > > > > what else anyone else knows about this? Anyone else feel > this may > > > be > > > > what's going on, or had positive results from intense > consumption of > > > > water? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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