Re: Re: Like minded people

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OY VEY! You hit the nail right on the head.

What got me was some of the stuff they said like we are passing TB onto people because (and you will love this) there is brucellosis running rampid among wild animals and BIRDS. Like one has anything to do with the other. And of course we all allow are cows to cavort with deer, elk and buffalo daily (ROFLMAO).

I pointed out that we drink and use our milk so why on earth would we even take a chance with not making sure our cows were free of disease. No comment. All they can see is what the government tells them and there's no other way to look at things. W R O N G!!!!

Well, anyway, I love your comments and I'm just finished milking, straining/filtering and refrigerating my raw milk. And I did it all by hand. God willin and the crik don't rise, I won't contaminate myself when I drink it.

K.C.

Re: Like minded people

> You have no idea how wonderful it is and so refreshing to be withlike-minded people. > ___________________________________________________________God help you if you ever say you're a raw milk-drinkin', cropcircle-believin', peak oil-fearin', homesteadin', anti-Einstein,chicken-killin' anti-religion, homeschoolin' conspiracy theorist! After all, what has individualism ever done for YOUR group?;-)Dan C.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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> One of the other amazing things is how much people spend on pet food

> vs. how much they spend on their own food. What they need is " Purina

> Human Chow " so they can stop thinking about what they eat, and get the

> same nutrition they give their pets.

Hi Dan,

You obviously don't have a pet, judging by that remark, and I'll forgive ya

:-) Just to boggle your mind, people who REALLY care about their pets feed

them RAW meat and bones, preferably organic. Purina is one of the cheapest

kibbles you can buy and kibble doesn't actually contain much nourishment as

it's consists mainly of cheap corn!

It was my switch to raw food for my dogs that led me to discover healthy

food for us hoomins, along with raw milk, kefir, and the book Nourishing

Traditions :-)

Now back to your regularly scheduled program......

and the K9's

RAW fed and lovin' it :-)

[Guest guest]

I agree. There is only one Jersey dairy here that I would ever consider getting milk, cows or anything from. She's great.

The other dairies are horendous. The cows are laying in layers of filth, filled with hormones and antibiotics just so their poor injured udders don't infect their entire bodies and most don't have much a life span after 5 years. Don't know what the milk is like because I've never seen it, but then, I don't want to.

Thank God for my Margie and her wonderful golden milk.

K.C.

Re: Like minded people

I hauled milk for a year 12 years ago. That grade A permit meansnothing. I saw filth beyond your wildest imagination, and they all hada license from the state of WI. No one in their right mind would goany where near that milk to drink. That's the beauty of knowing whereyour food comes from. Most farms were clean, but the few that were badwere horrible. If the state were truly concerned with health andcleanliness those farms wouldn't have been allowed to sell milk untilthey cleaned up their act. Cheyenne PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

I agree. There is only one Jersey dairy here that I would ever consider getting milk, cows or anything from. She's great.

The other dairies are horendous. The cows are laying in layers of filth, filled with hormones and antibiotics just so their poor injured udders don't infect their entire bodies and most don't have much a life span after 5 years. Don't know what the milk is like because I've never seen it, but then, I don't want to.

Thank God for my Margie and her wonderful golden milk.

K.C.

Re: Like minded people

I hauled milk for a year 12 years ago. That grade A permit meansnothing. I saw filth beyond your wildest imagination, and they all hada license from the state of WI. No one in their right mind would goany where near that milk to drink. That's the beauty of knowing whereyour food comes from. Most farms were clean, but the few that were badwere horrible. If the state were truly concerned with health andcleanliness those farms wouldn't have been allowed to sell milk untilthey cleaned up their act. Cheyenne PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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Magda wrote:

> Hear hear . I learned about raw dairy from a friend of mine who

> runs a raw meat coop for animals. If it wasn't for her, I would have

> never discovered raw dairy, grassfed meats, culturing, pickling, NT,

> etc.....

>

> YEY for Alison !

Yup, I think quite a few dog owners have seen the light to healthy eating

this way. I'm on one of her lists too :-)

Cheers,

and the K9's

[Guest guest]

Magda wrote:

> Hear hear . I learned about raw dairy from a friend of mine who

> runs a raw meat coop for animals. If it wasn't for her, I would have

> never discovered raw dairy, grassfed meats, culturing, pickling, NT,

> etc.....

>

> YEY for Alison !

Yup, I think quite a few dog owners have seen the light to healthy eating

this way. I'm on one of her lists too :-)

Cheers,

and the K9's

[Guest guest]

> Actually, the mistake was using Purina as an example. I should have

> said, " Science Diet Human Chow " for a better example. My point was

> that most people would eat whatever some institution told them to eat.

Ain't that the truth? Most people think that vets and doctors are Gods, and

they don't question what they are told.

> My dog eats fresh meat. Mice in the field. Still kickin' and

> squeakin'. The cat eats the dog's Science Diet puppy chow. It's a

> madhouse around here!

Glad to hear they get some fresh meat. Science Death isn't a good choice

either, you'd think kittie would know better {LOL}

> and ate dogs, finding that they were good eatin' and the

> Indians found them easy to keep around the camp.

I suppose, if you are desperate, but MY dogs are like family and I would

find that almost cannibalistic!

> Sorry, I guess I don't fit into your certified group, either.

That's ok. Raw meat at a reasonable price is getting harder and harder to

find as more people are seeing the light and ditching the kibble.

and the K9's

> " Humans are a funny bunch, what we call ______ they call lunch. "

" One man's meat is another man's poison " .

[Guest guest]

> Actually, the mistake was using Purina as an example. I should have

> said, " Science Diet Human Chow " for a better example. My point was

> that most people would eat whatever some institution told them to eat.

Ain't that the truth? Most people think that vets and doctors are Gods, and

they don't question what they are told.

> My dog eats fresh meat. Mice in the field. Still kickin' and

> squeakin'. The cat eats the dog's Science Diet puppy chow. It's a

> madhouse around here!

Glad to hear they get some fresh meat. Science Death isn't a good choice

either, you'd think kittie would know better {LOL}

> and ate dogs, finding that they were good eatin' and the

> Indians found them easy to keep around the camp.

I suppose, if you are desperate, but MY dogs are like family and I would

find that almost cannibalistic!

> Sorry, I guess I don't fit into your certified group, either.

That's ok. Raw meat at a reasonable price is getting harder and harder to

find as more people are seeing the light and ditching the kibble.

and the K9's

> " Humans are a funny bunch, what we call ______ they call lunch. "

" One man's meat is another man's poison " .

[Guest guest]

Maybe if you gave the cat something different, he/she wouldn't eat that Science Crap. It's about as bad as Purina. Lots of chemicals, cheap corn and just down right undigestible garbage.

K.C.

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> Actually, the mistake was using Purina as an example. I should have> said, "Science Diet Human Chow" for a better example. My point was> that most people would eat whatever some institution told them to eat.Ain't that the truth? Most people think that vets and doctors are Gods, and they don't question what they are told.> My dog eats fresh meat. Mice in the field. Still kickin' and> squeakin'. The cat eats the dog's Science Diet puppy chow. It's a> madhouse around here!Glad to hear they get some fresh meat. Science Death isn't a good choice either, you'd think kittie would know better {LOL}> and ate dogs, finding that they were good eatin' and the> Indians found them easy to keep around the camp.I suppose, if you are desperate, but MY dogs are like family and I would find that almost cannibalistic!> Sorry, I guess I don't fit into your certified group, either.That's ok. Raw meat at a reasonable price is getting harder and harder to find as more people are seeing the light and ditching the kibble. and the K9's> "Humans are a funny bunch, what we call ______ they call lunch.""One man's meat is another man's poison". PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

Maybe if you gave the cat something different, he/she wouldn't eat that Science Crap. It's about as bad as Purina. Lots of chemicals, cheap corn and just down right undigestible garbage.

K.C.

Re: Re: Like minded people

> Actually, the mistake was using Purina as an example. I should have> said, "Science Diet Human Chow" for a better example. My point was> that most people would eat whatever some institution told them to eat.Ain't that the truth? Most people think that vets and doctors are Gods, and they don't question what they are told.> My dog eats fresh meat. Mice in the field. Still kickin' and> squeakin'. The cat eats the dog's Science Diet puppy chow. It's a> madhouse around here!Glad to hear they get some fresh meat. Science Death isn't a good choice either, you'd think kittie would know better {LOL}> and ate dogs, finding that they were good eatin' and the> Indians found them easy to keep around the camp.I suppose, if you are desperate, but MY dogs are like family and I would find that almost cannibalistic!> Sorry, I guess I don't fit into your certified group, either.That's ok. Raw meat at a reasonable price is getting harder and harder to find as more people are seeing the light and ditching the kibble. and the K9's> "Humans are a funny bunch, what we call ______ they call lunch.""One man's meat is another man's poison". PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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Obviously you've got the Networking thing down, girl. Can't wait to see where this goes for you guys.

I don't know what we can do outside VA, but if something occurs to you, please let us know.

(We can hum "Friends in High Places".....)

Best of Luck.

--T

Re: Like minded people

Boy is this the right topic for me at this moment. I spent the daycontacting some people about the dairy regulations here in VA. thefirst was a pleasant surprise. He is very wealthy, has been acandidate for state delegate and I was told he might have the Guv'sear. Turns out his kids have been drinking raw milk and he has dreamsof having his own dairy. He had lots of great ideas and got right onboard. (Unfortunately he is presently on the Guv's S list for callinghim to task about conservation issues.)But he was full of great ideas and suggested I call an even wealthierwoman who has a fancy organic showplace operation, a restaurant andnow a store that sells "certified" organic food from locals...ofcourse they can't get enough so they have to supplement with lots ofregular stuff. It's clear from what I have seen this woman doesn'tunderstand how horrible these regulations can be etc, etc. But I thinkher heart is really in the right place...she just needs to beeducated. I didn't even get to talk to her...her secretary is veryprotective. I am trying to collect information to send her that willclarify what these reguations will actually mean to normal people.I don't feel we have the luxury to just say the hell with them. Weneed their money, power and influence. We won't be able to stay underthe radar forever. I really feel that the dairy industry is in thesame state that the tobacco industry was in a number of years ago. They KNEW their product was killing people. Don't you think the dairyindustry knows how bad the stuff they sell is. Don't you think theyare desparate to stop us because they know that the more people drinkthis milk and see their varied illnesses go away The more likely it isthat they will not just lose a small amount of business, but will besued and maybe put totally out of business(I can dream!)People say ."oh, why should the dairy industry be worried about such asmall segment of the market as us" We may be small now, but we havebeen growing and will continue to do so.So these guys are threatened and we are going to need all the help wecan get.~~Ellen> OY VEY! You hit the nail right on the head.> > What got me was some of the stuff they said like we are passing TBonto people because (and you will love this) there is brucellosisrunning rampid among wild animals and BIRDS. Like one has anything todo with the other. And of course we all allow are cows to cavort withdeer, elk and buffalo daily (ROFLMAO).

[Guest guest]

What you are intending is all well and good. However, you have to realize that the government is protecting the big money and will try in every way to cut down the little guys. Whether you have a certified dairy or are just operating a farm and have cow shareholders, they will do what they can to get rid of us.

A few years ago (maybe 2-3 years), the government forced a drop in milk prices. I know of a small Jersey dairy here that had to sell off her herd and 1/2 her land because she could no longer afford the $3000 a month feed bill. Wholesale milk prices were what they were in the '50's (but you didn't see that in the stores). As soon as small dairies all over the country went belly up, the price of milk in stores soared. Now that the little guys were out of the way and there were far less of them to make the big dairies keep their prices at market down, they jumped on it. I don't buy milk because I have my own cow, but people were just all up in arms at the price of milk at the stores. Do you all remember that? That's how the government helps big business.

The only thing I can see happening is for people to get a raw dairy co-op going in each state. Get certified as a raw dairy co-op in order to have a store that sells raw milk to the public at reasonable rates.

It seems to me that states, aside from Idaho where I might be one of the only people here to have a cow share program, have many more people wanting to organize. With the raw dairy consumer market growing daily, the government can't fight people in numbers. But the government can and does go after the individuals and does destroy them if they think they are getting too invasive of the large local dairies.

K.C.

Re: Like minded people

Boy is this the right topic for me at this moment. I spent the daycontacting some people about the dairy regulations here in VA. thefirst was a pleasant surprise. He is very wealthy, has been acandidate for state delegate and I was told he might have the Guv'sear. Turns out his kids have been drinking raw milk and he has dreamsof having his own dairy. He had lots of great ideas and got right onboard. (Unfortunately he is presently on the Guv's S list for callinghim to task about conservation issues.)But he was full of great ideas and suggested I call an even wealthierwoman who has a fancy organic showplace operation, a restaurant andnow a store that sells "certified" organic food from locals...ofcourse they can't get enough so they have to supplement with lots ofregular stuff. It's clear from what I have seen this woman doesn'tunderstand how horrible these regulations can be etc, etc. But I thinkher heart is really in the right place...she just needs to beeducated. I didn't even get to talk to her...her secretary is veryprotective. I am trying to collect information to send her that willclarify what these reguations will actually mean to normal people.I don't feel we have the luxury to just say the hell with them. Weneed their money, power and influence. We won't be able to stay underthe radar forever. I really feel that the dairy industry is in thesame state that the tobacco industry was in a number of years ago. They KNEW their product was killing people. Don't you think the dairyindustry knows how bad the stuff they sell is. Don't you think theyare desparate to stop us because they know that the more people drinkthis milk and see their varied illnesses go away The more likely it isthat they will not just lose a small amount of business, but will besued and maybe put totally out of business(I can dream!)People say ."oh, why should the dairy industry be worried about such asmall segment of the market as us" We may be small now, but we havebeen growing and will continue to do so.So these guys are threatened and we are going to need all the help wecan get.Ellen> OY VEY! You hit the nail right on the head.> > What got me was some of the stuff they said like we are passing TBonto people because (and you will love this) there is brucellosisrunning rampid among wild animals and BIRDS. Like one has anything todo with the other. And of course we all allow are cows to cavort withdeer, elk and buffalo daily (ROFLMAO).> >PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

Okay KC, put on your thinking cap to back when we both were young and stupid....

NIXON was the very first to start manipulating the Markets. Government initiated this vicious cycle of inflationary madness we are all in.

Remember the oil embargo of the early 1970s? Gasoline used to be 23 cents per gallon. Suddenly by 1975, nobody could make ends meet anymore. The death knell for those in college, trying to scrimp by. I went from having some discretionary income, to being in the hole every month, almost overnight. Life was Good, and then it wasn't.

This I realized while watching PBS late one night where a high school teacher was explaining Economics to his class. I was literally Jealous, because I was dumb as a box of rocks about how the world actually worked when I graduated (1970), and I got a fabulous education by the standards of the day. Even today I can be incredibly naive. No wonder some of these kids can move so fast into the world. Some of them know what's actually going on!

I just don't want us sitting around blaming some segment of society or other when the true culprit is elsewhere. I sure am PO'd that the price of butter is up so high.... $4 for a box of Water! And the Half & Half is pure chemicalized Junk for almost $4 qt. SUBSIDIES started this manipulative madness of the Stock Market and Commodities Mkts. We city folk have it bad on our end too. No small business is encouraged, unless it has a chance of making some big corp rich with no risk. They buy them up after somebody else does all the work. If they can't use them, they squash them if they get in the way. The Multinational Enrons are running our lives, and all with the Govn't's blessing.....

We're all stuck in the same gerbil cage. So play nice...lol. We need your Brains to figure a way out of this financial hole. Love your state co-op idea. That one occurred to me too. If we want to go Legal, that's the only way, by being together in large numbers.

The nemesis is the 4 multinational concerns that have bought up almost all of the dairies and farms since 1980. The few locals over here are hanging on by their fingernails, just like us. They've got at least 25 regulatory agencies breathing down their neck in Ohio.

--Terry

Re: Like minded people

Boy is this the right topic for me at this moment. I spent the daycontacting some people about the dairy regulations here in VA. thefirst was a pleasant surprise. He is very wealthy, has been acandidate for state delegate and I was told he might have the Guv'sear. Turns out his kids have been drinking raw milk and he has dreamsof having his own dairy. He had lots of great ideas and got right onboard. (Unfortunately he is presently on the Guv's S list for callinghim to task about conservation issues.)But he was full of great ideas and suggested I call an even wealthierwoman who has a fancy organic showplace operation, a restaurant andnow a store that sells "certified" organic food from locals...ofcourse they can't get enough so they have to supplement with lots ofregular stuff. It's clear from what I have seen this woman doesn'tunderstand how horrible these regulations can be etc, etc. But I thinkher heart is really in the right place...she just needs to beeducated. I didn't even get to talk to her...her secretary is veryprotective. I am trying to collect information to send her that willclarify what these reguations will actually mean to normal people.I don't feel we have the luxury to just say the hell with them. Weneed their money, power and influence. We won't be able to stay underthe radar forever. I really feel that the dairy industry is in thesame state that the tobacco industry was in a number of years ago. They KNEW their product was killing people. Don't you think the dairyindustry knows how bad the stuff they sell is. Don't you think theyare desparate to stop us because they know that the more people drinkthis milk and see their varied illnesses go away The more likely it isthat they will not just lose a small amount of business, but will besued and maybe put totally out of business(I can dream!)People say ."oh, why should the dairy industry be worried about such asmall segment of the market as us" We may be small now, but we havebeen growing and will continue to do so.So these guys are threatened and we are going to need all the help wecan get.Ellen> OY VEY! You hit the nail right on the head.> > What got me was some of the stuff they said like we are passing TBonto people because (and you will love this) there is brucellosisrunning rampid among wild animals and BIRDS. Like one has anything todo with the other. And of course we all allow are cows to cavort withdeer, elk and buffalo daily (ROFLMAO).

[Guest guest]

Now you know why the government hates unions. They help the little guy become middle class, gives them power and rights that the average worker today doesn't have. You're lucky because you can read and understand what's going on. If you look at education today, it's nothing like what we had back in the day. I'm a bit older than you and I can't believe what they are doing to the kids out there in what they call schools. They want everyone dumb. Just like third world countries. The rich and the poor, no middle class at all. Without education, people won't have smarts and without smarts there is no power. I try to tell people this, but they think I'm nuts. If a kid has a mind in grammer school, they shove pills down his/her throat and call it ADD.

Remember that refund SOME people got a few years back? People didn't realize it was going to put them in a different tax bracket and they had to pay taxes to the state on it. This was to help the states because the government pulled back on all the money that they were getting for education, medical assistance, etc., etc. But, the average Joe thought it was just wonderful.

I remember when gas was cheap. But, they didn't have the YAHOOS running the oil game like they do today and government didn't let them screw the people in order to make more money then anyone could use in a lifetime. There were regulations and constrictions on big companies. Now, we are back to the monopoly game which is supposed to be illegal in this country.

I know there are people all over this country with a few to several cows that want to sell raw milk. It wouldn't be tough to get a co-op going. You need to get the regs for the state, write a grant (there are people out there that do this for a living and their fee is written into the grant, so no money up front), figure out how much you need in the way of milk storage and for a small store front. If someone has a decent piece of property, this can be done on that place so you wouldn't need to buy another piece of property. All the equipment for picking milk up from the farmers, storing it, bottles, printing, etc., etc. could be done. I've thought about this for a while. It's a matter of getting the people together and with the net and groups like this and www.realmilk.com it's wouldn't be hard to organize.

Once everything is in place (I figure about 2 years to get it up and running), a few well placed TV ads and I think you would be in the position to write your own ticket.

The hard part is getting everyone together. Sure people want this, but getting people off their butts to do it is another thing. With a co-op, the profits are shared equally and like anything, you have to have the right people running it.

It's amazing what a grass roots movement can do. I've seen it with the shipping of chicks when the airlines wanted to stop and the legislature was going to allow them to ruin many, many of the hatcheries that have been in business for 100 years. A grass roots movement took hold, emails were sent to every man and women in the legislature and the airlines had to continue to carry chicks to all the people in the country that wanted them and the hatcheries are still in business.

It's a matter of how many people REALLY want something.

K.C.

Re: Like minded people

Boy is this the right topic for me at this moment. I spent the daycontacting some people about the dairy regulations here in VA. thefirst was a pleasant surprise. He is very wealthy, has been acandidate for state delegate and I was told he might have the Guv'sear. Turns out his kids have been drinking raw milk and he has dreamsof having his own dairy. He had lots of great ideas and got right onboard. (Unfortunately he is presently on the Guv's S list for callinghim to task about conservation issues.)But he was full of great ideas and suggested I call an even wealthierwoman who has a fancy organic showplace operation, a restaurant andnow a store that sells "certified" organic food from locals...ofcourse they can't get enough so they have to supplement with lots ofregular stuff. It's clear from what I have seen this woman doesn'tunderstand how horrible these regulations can be etc, etc. But I thinkher heart is really in the right place...she just needs to beeducated. I didn't even get to talk to her...her secretary is veryprotective. I am trying to collect information to send her that willclarify what these reguations will actually mean to normal people.I don't feel we have the luxury to just say the hell with them. Weneed their money, power and influence. We won't be able to stay underthe radar forever. I really feel that the dairy industry is in thesame state that the tobacco industry was in a number of years ago. They KNEW their product was killing people. Don't you think the dairyindustry knows how bad the stuff they sell is. Don't you think theyare desparate to stop us because they know that the more people drinkthis milk and see their varied illnesses go away The more likely it isthat they will not just lose a small amount of business, but will besued and maybe put totally out of business(I can dream!)People say ."oh, why should the dairy industry be worried about such asmall segment of the market as us" We may be small now, but we havebeen growing and will continue to do so.So these guys are threatened and we are going to need all the help wecan get.Ellen> OY VEY! You hit the nail right on the head.> > What got me was some of the stuff they said like we are passing TBonto people because (and you will love this) there is brucellosisrunning rampid among wild animals and BIRDS. Like one has anything todo with the other. And of course we all allow are cows to cavort withdeer, elk and buffalo daily (ROFLMAO).PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

One thing I forgot to mention is and this isn't just to be funny, the more women, minorities and people on disability you can get to be in on the grant, the better.

The government actually gives more money to these groups in grants then any others to start businesses.

K.C.

Re: Like minded people

Boy is this the right topic for me at this moment. I spent the daycontacting some people about the dairy regulations here in VA. thefirst was a pleasant surprise. He is very wealthy, has been acandidate for state delegate and I was told he might have the Guv'sear. Turns out his kids have been drinking raw milk and he has dreamsof having his own dairy. He had lots of great ideas and got right onboard. (Unfortunately he is presently on the Guv's S list for callinghim to task about conservation issues.)But he was full of great ideas and suggested I call an even wealthierwoman who has a fancy organic showplace operation, a restaurant andnow a store that sells "certified" organic food from locals...ofcourse they can't get enough so they have to supplement with lots ofregular stuff. It's clear from what I have seen this woman doesn'tunderstand how horrible these regulations can be etc, etc. But I thinkher heart is really in the right place...she just needs to beeducated. I didn't even get to talk to her...her secretary is veryprotective. I am trying to collect information to send her that willclarify what these reguations will actually mean to normal people.I don't feel we have the luxury to just say the hell with them. Weneed their money, power and influence. We won't be able to stay underthe radar forever. I really feel that the dairy industry is in thesame state that the tobacco industry was in a number of years ago. They KNEW their product was killing people. Don't you think the dairyindustry knows how bad the stuff they sell is. Don't you think theyare desparate to stop us because they know that the more people drinkthis milk and see their varied illnesses go away The more likely it isthat they will not just lose a small amount of business, but will besued and maybe put totally out of business(I can dream!)People say ."oh, why should the dairy industry be worried about such asmall segment of the market as us" We may be small now, but we havebeen growing and will continue to do so.So these guys are threatened and we are going to need all the help wecan get.Ellen> OY VEY! You hit the nail right on the head.> > What got me was some of the stuff they said like we are passing TBonto people because (and you will love this) there is brucellosisrunning rampid among wild animals and BIRDS. Like one has anything todo with the other. And of course we all allow are cows to cavort withdeer, elk and buffalo daily (ROFLMAO).PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

" "> What does anti-Einstein mean? Anti-intellecutal? " "

Yeah....really....??

" "While I am strongly> anti-religion, I am pro-FAITH. I see the hand of a> superior intelligence every where I turn. Not to> believe in a devine involvement with the creation is> the peak of ingratitude to me." "

Thanks for that....I'm with you brother.... I don't get some people.... the "peak" ingratitude is right on!!!

For the life of me...I haven't been able to take a ball of crap, and throw it against the wall, and have it produce a life form...just doesn't seem to work that way.....hmmmmmm ?!?!

" " While I am a member of> the Christian faith, I believe that instutional> religion has lost a lot of its radical, life changing> power and is under a lot of cultural contamination in> the West. " "

True, and so sad....selfishness and greed are the pervasive attitudes that have replaced that....We ARE a mess....

--

Steve (good luck to you Bill...)

>You may send me an email offline dconine 'at' dotnet 'dot' comI will be glad to discuss it with you.Thanks to everyone who did NOT get offended at my offhand comments.You are definitely a good bunch of individuals. Dan C.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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I could go on about Education today (former teacher), but suffice it to say that if they decided to actually teach History and Economics for real, we would have a very different country. Sad isn't it?

I'm glad to know about a successful grassroots movement somewhere. The only Glitch I see in what you are proposing is the Timing, as the very first thing on your List is obfuscated in many states on purpose these days. Baffle them with BS... Still trying to figure out what Connecticut has done so differently that they can have free access to what we often cannot.

I laughed at the Tax Refund Checks that were going to stimulate our economy too. Shocking who got them and who didn't. Can you just imagine the money it took to administrate that program? Could have just allowed a tax rebate with the standard IRS, but we needed the big promotional thing to occur..... DC is really a Crazy place these days. The fiscal irresponsibility is just staggering. They want us Broke and Stupid.

FDR set all sorts of safeguards into play so that Banking, etc could never again cause such havoc as the Depression, but now most of them are Gone. Deregulation..... so we can have "free" markets.

BUT, in places like PA, where the timing is right to push for full Legalization, your ideas are just Perfect. Thanks for giving this thing some flesh.

--Terry

Re: Like minded people

Boy is this the right topic for me at this moment. I spent the daycontacting some people about the dairy regulations here in VA. thefirst was a pleasant surprise. He is very wealthy, has been acandidate for state delegate and I was told he might have the Guv'sear. Turns out his kids have been drinking raw milk and he has dreamsof having his own dairy. He had lots of great ideas and got right onboard. (Unfortunately he is presently on the Guv's S list for callinghim to task about conservation issues.)But he was full of great ideas and suggested I call an even wealthierwoman who has a fancy organic showplace operation, a restaurant andnow a store that sells "certified" organic food from locals...ofcourse they can't get enough so they have to supplement with lots ofregular stuff. It's clear from what I have seen this woman doesn'tunderstand how horrible these regulations can be etc, etc. But I thinkher heart is really in the right place...she just needs to beeducated. I didn't even get to talk to her...her secretary is veryprotective. I am trying to collect information to send her that willclarify what these reguations will actually mean to normal people.I don't feel we have the luxury to just say the hell with them. Weneed their money, power and influence. We won't be able to stay underthe radar forever. I really feel that the dairy industry is in thesame state that the tobacco industry was in a number of years ago. They KNEW their product was killing people. Don't you think the dairyindustry knows how bad the stuff they sell is. Don't you think theyare desparate to stop us because they know that the more people drinkthis milk and see their varied illnesses go away The more likely it isthat they will not just lose a small amount of business, but will besued and maybe put totally out of business(I can dream!)People say ."oh, why should the dairy industry be worried about such asmall segment of the market as us" We may be small now, but we havebeen growing and will continue to do so.So these guys are threatened and we are going to need all the help wecan get.~~Ellen

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I like the way you think.

K.C.

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> > > > > " "> What does anti-Einstein mean? Anti-intellecutal? " "> > Yeah....really....??> >I'll answer this one here:It means that someone doesn't believe that the theory of relativitydefines the universe any more than a drawing of a horse defines what ahorse is. Technically, there is no anti-Einstein group, but if you tryto argue against relativity, you are often accused of more ignoblethings, such as anti-Semitism. There are strange things afoot inphysics. Many of which have to do with secrets and ancient history vs.politics and power. Conspiracy? Not necessarily. Usually just theusual complacency, specialization, and ignorance. The same conundrumsthat are faced by Raw Milk advocates.Imagine the hidden power/politics that might happen if we didn't needthe oil for energy in the first place......Dan C.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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People think DEREGULATION is so wonderful. They have no clue how it's ruining our planet and the very essence of our lives.

I know this wouldn't work for every state, but if people don't try, it's never going to come about and we will forever be considered the black sheep of the industry. The more people to get together and do something, the more states will have to accept what people want instead of forcing poison down their throats.

Look at the press that the movement for clean food has already gotten. Every day there is more and more about hormones in the beef, antibiotics in beef and milk and how milk is so bad in the stores and causing all kinds of problems in people. As conservative as the press is these days, the larger newspapers are publicizing more and more how bad store milk is for people. Naturally, you don't read about that in the areas where big dairies are.

I know it wouldn't be easy, but it has to start somewhere.

K.C.

Re: Like minded people

Boy is this the right topic for me at this moment. I spent the daycontacting some people about the dairy regulations here in VA. thefirst was a pleasant surprise. He is very wealthy, has been acandidate for state delegate and I was told he might have the Guv'sear. Turns out his kids have been drinking raw milk and he has dreamsof having his own dairy. He had lots of great ideas and got right onboard. (Unfortunately he is presently on the Guv's S list for callinghim to task about conservation issues.)But he was full of great ideas and suggested I call an even wealthierwoman who has a fancy organic showplace operation, a restaurant andnow a store that sells "certified" organic food from locals...ofcourse they can't get enough so they have to supplement with lots ofregular stuff. It's clear from what I have seen this woman doesn'tunderstand how horrible these regulations can be etc, etc. But I thinkher heart is really in the right place...she just needs to beeducated. I didn't even get to talk to her...her secretary is veryprotective. I am trying to collect information to send her that willclarify what these reguations will actually mean to normal people.I don't feel we have the luxury to just say the hell with them. Weneed their money, power and influence. We won't be able to stay underthe radar forever. I really feel that the dairy industry is in thesame state that the tobacco industry was in a number of years ago. They KNEW their product was killing people. Don't you think the dairyindustry knows how bad the stuff they sell is. Don't you think theyare desparate to stop us because they know that the more people drinkthis milk and see their varied illnesses go away The more likely it isthat they will not just lose a small amount of business, but will besued and maybe put totally out of business(I can dream!)People say ."oh, why should the dairy industry be worried about such asmall segment of the market as us" We may be small now, but we havebeen growing and will continue to do so.So these guys are threatened and we are going to need all the help wecan get.~~EllenPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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I agree completely.

I figure you start where there is an opening that has a chance to succeed for Precedent. Then once one or two happen, the rest of the states can be browbeaten like a lousy parent.... "Seee, THEY have one. Why can't we?"

--T

Re: Like minded people

Boy is this the right topic for me at this moment. I spent the daycontacting some people about the dairy regulations here in VA. thefirst was a pleasant surprise. He is very wealthy, has been acandidate for state delegate and I was told he might have the Guv'sear. Turns out his kids have been drinking raw milk and he has dreamsof having his own dairy. He had lots of great ideas and got right onboard. (Unfortunately he is presently on the Guv's S list for callinghim to task about conservation issues.)But he was full of great ideas and suggested I call an even wealthierwoman who has a fancy organic showplace operation, a restaurant andnow a store that sells "certified" organic food from locals...ofcourse they can't get enough so they have to supplement with lots ofregular stuff. It's clear from what I have seen this woman doesn'tunderstand how horrible these regulations can be etc, etc. But I thinkher heart is really in the right place...she just needs to beeducated. I didn't even get to talk to her...her secretary is veryprotective. I am trying to collect information to send her that willclarify what these reguations will actually mean to normal people.I don't feel we have the luxury to just say the hell with them. Weneed their money, power and influence. We won't be able to stay underthe radar forever. I really feel that the dairy industry is in thesame state that the tobacco industry was in a number of years ago. They KNEW their product was killing people. Don't you think the dairyindustry knows how bad the stuff they sell is. Don't you think theyare desparate to stop us because they know that the more people drinkthis milk and see their varied illnesses go away The more likely it isthat they will not just lose a small amount of business, but will besued and maybe put totally out of business(I can dream!)People say ."oh, why should the dairy industry be worried about such asmall segment of the market as us" We may be small now, but we havebeen growing and will continue to do so.So these guys are threatened and we are going to need all the help wecan get.~~Ellen

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So True.

A quick word of Caution....

Don't read "Un Equal Protection" before going to bed at night. You'll be too angry to sleep.

--T

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"Tinybabe" <tinybabe2@r...> wrote:> People think DEREGULATION is so wonderful. They have no clue howit's ruining our planet and the very essence of our lives.> Here's an interesting article on where the power is.http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1219-06.htmThom Hartman's books, "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight" and"Unequal Protection" are very thoroughly researched and helpunderstand who writes the regulations and how the same idea of 'lessgovernment' became 'more corporate power'. We don't necessarily needmore government to counterract it, just more common sense and lessspending. (local foods, family vs. production values, etc.) Somehow,our current system takes the term "family values" and turns it into"production is the only value".Dan C.

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I was raised like that and have slid down that slope years ago.

I try to keep it down on these groups because people get REALLY pissed because they can't see me when I write little digs, snide remarks and use sarcastic humor. So, they don't know I'm kidding or teasing. Unbelievable how insecure some people are about stuff like that and how much they take offense to it.

Considering my dad is the king of kings when it comes to this stuff, I take it with a grain of salt.

K.C.

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> I like the way you think.> > K.C.Watch out! I'm at the bottom of the pool. The cesspool of crackpotismthat's at the bottom of the slippery slope of conspiracy theorism.DanPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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Mine too...think we could be related? LOL

Shona :0)

Goodridge Farms

South Central Missouri

-----Original Message-----Considering my dad is the king of kings when it comes to this stuff, I take it with a grain of salt.

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I love that. What a tremendous thing for the people. But, just try that in a place like L.A., CA or Chicago or N.Y. The politicians would have a hissy fit and all the money in the world to fight it.

Moreover, with the conservative attitude of what we stupidly call the Supreme Court, the people would never win over the big corporations.

Yes, it is illegal for corporations to support a candidate, but when that candidate is supporting big business and is the sitting president of the country, WHO YOU GONNA FIGHT?

My dad has a pretty good philosophy. In short, his attitude is that all things change in time. We had it good for a while after we had it really bad. Now we are back to really bad and the people will just have to grin and bear what they have brought unto themselves. Unfortunately, the entire planet is going to suffer 30 to 50 years of destructive powers before it's brought back to even close of what it was.

So, getting back to the raw dairy thing. If it's possible to make corporations NOT persons deserving of rights under the constitution, why not co-ops to sell raw milk? It only takes a few people to get a business plan together and get a grant written. Then, when that's made public, people in another state will say "Hey, if they can do it so can we."

K.C.

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> People think DEREGULATION is so wonderful. They have no clue howit's ruining our planet and the very essence of our lives.> Here's an interesting article on where the power is.http://www.commondreams.org/views02/1219-06.htmThom Hartman's books, "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight" and"Unequal Protection" are very thoroughly researched and helpunderstand who writes the regulations and how the same idea of 'lessgovernment' became 'more corporate power'. We don't necessarily needmore government to counterract it, just more common sense and lessspending. (local foods, family vs. production values, etc.) Somehow,our current system takes the term "family values" and turns it into"production is the only value".Dan C.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

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Hey, ya never know - HA

K.C.

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Mine too...think we could be related? LOL

Shona :0)

Goodridge Farms

South Central Missouri

-----Original Message-----Considering my dad is the king of kings when it comes to this stuff, I take it with a grain of salt.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/