Re: Sheep's Milk

[Guest guest]

Hi KC,

I'm getting some East Friesian Dairy Sheep. My favorite cheese in all the world is Petite Basque, and is a sheep cheese, followed by Manouri which is sheep and goat mixed. I have a chart of the various milk values somewhere in my files if you want it. I've never had the straight milk though. Can't wait to try it.

Beverly (Jeez, you really scoot around the groups! lol)

----- Original Message -----

From: Tinybabe

I'm intrigued by all the sheep cheese that is out now. I'm also interested in how sheep milk tastes. Is it rich? Does it get sheepy (A word?), like goat's milk gets goaty after a few days? How's the cream....Heavy or light? Sweet or not so sweet. Do cow milk drinkers like sheep milk?

I sold one of my shareholders some Colby cheese that I made and she went nuts for it. I'm wondering how it would be to use sheep milk for Colby and if it worth getting a ewe.

What breeds are milking sheep?

Thanks for any and all responses.

K.C.

[Guest guest]

I can get the milk values, but thanks. I was looking for someone that has actually tasted it. Really curious how it tastes. I'll have to look for those cheeses and try them.

I try to pick up and learn as much as possible and all the groups have people that know more then I do in different areas of farm life. Plus, they have different animals and I like to hear about all of them.

During the spring and summer, you won't see much of me. Way to busy to get on the computer, except late at night and I usually pass over most of the email. Unless of course, I think my 2 cents should be added (LOL).

K.C.

Re: Sheep's Milk

Hi KC,

I'm getting some East Friesian Dairy Sheep. My favorite cheese in all the world is Petite Basque, and is a sheep cheese, followed by Manouri which is sheep and goat mixed. I have a chart of the various milk values somewhere in my files if you want it. I've never had the straight milk though. Can't wait to try it.

Beverly (Jeez, you really scoot around the groups! lol)

----- Original Message -----

From: Tinybabe

I'm intrigued by all the sheep cheese that is out now. I'm also interested in how sheep milk tastes. Is it rich? Does it get sheepy (A word?), like goat's milk gets goaty after a few days? How's the cream....Heavy or light? Sweet or not so sweet. Do cow milk drinkers like sheep milk?

I sold one of my shareholders some Colby cheese that I made and she went nuts for it. I'm wondering how it would be to use sheep milk for Colby and if it worth getting a ewe.

What breeds are milking sheep?

Thanks for any and all responses.

K.C.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

[K.C.] I can get the milk values, but thanks. I was looking for

someone that has actually tasted it. Really curious how it tastes.

I'll have to look for those cheeses and try them.

[MAP] I've had sheep milk still warm from milking and it's the second

best thing in the whole universe as I know it. It's like drinking a

milkshake. Number one is the sheep milk kefir I've made.

cow schmow. goat schmoat. (actually, to be honest, Nubian goat milk

is pretty much equally as great as sheep milk...)

By the way, for Beverly and others, there is a Yahoo Group about dairy

sheep. I subscribe to it, but I've never actually had the time to

open that folder and read anything... :-( Sometimes I entertain

crazy fantasies about having a few sheep for myself, and my home has

several acres of unused pasture with fencing, but it wouldn't fit my

current lifestyle and I have at least a dozen superb milk sources

within a ten minute drive...

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay

[Guest guest]

I'll have to see if I can find someone out here that milks sheep and see what I can get. We have a very large Basque group that all raise sheep. I know because they come down the road heading to the lambing pens. Hundreds of them, with dogs and horses. It's a real site to see. And they come right in front of my property. Makes my big dog nuts, but I enjoy watching the dogs when they work. Considering how organized this move is, the dogs are usually just walking by the side of the herd.

K.C.

Re: Sheep's Milk

[K.C.] I can get the milk values, but thanks. I was looking forsomeone that has actually tasted it. Really curious how it tastes. I'll have to look for those cheeses and try them.[MAP] I've had sheep milk still warm from milking and it's the secondbest thing in the whole universe as I know it. It's like drinking amilkshake. Number one is the sheep milk kefir I've made.cow schmow. goat schmoat. (actually, to be honest, Nubian goat milkis pretty much equally as great as sheep milk...)By the way, for Beverly and others, there is a Yahoo Group about dairysheep. I subscribe to it, but I've never actually had the time toopen that folder and read anything... :-( Sometimes I entertaincrazy fantasies about having a few sheep for myself, and my home hasseveral acres of unused pasture with fencing, but it wouldn't fit mycurrent lifestyle and I have at least a dozen superb milk sourceswithin a ten minute drive...Mike SE PennsylvaniaThe best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan KayPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

> I'm intrigued by all the sheep cheese that is out now. I'm also interested in> how sheep milk tastes. Is it rich? Does it get sheepy (A word?), like goat's> milk gets goaty after a few days? How's the cream....Heavy or light? Sweet or> not so sweet. Do cow milk drinkers like sheep milk?http://www.sheepdairying.com/Milk.htm

"Sheeps milk is both nutritious and delicious. The Milk has a rich, bland, slightly sweet taste. It is much higher in total solids than either cow or goat milk and contains up to twice as many of the minerals like calcium, phosphorus and zinc and the all important B group Vitamins."

http://www.sheepdairying.com/health.html

A typical comparative analysis of Sheep, Goat and Cow milks

Whole Milk %

Sheep

Goat

Cow

Total Solids

18.3

11.2

12.1

Fat

6.7

3.9

3.5

Protein

5.6

2.9

3.4

Lactose

4.8

4.1

4.5

Calorific value /100g

102

77

73

Vitamins mg/l

Riboflavin B2

4.3

1.4

2.2

Thiamine

1.2

0.5

0.5

Niacin B1

5.4

2.5

1.0

Pantothenic acid

5.3

3.6

3.4

B6

0.7

0.6

0.5

Folic acid ug/l

0.5

0.06

0.5

B12

0.09

0.007

0.03

Biotin

5.0

4.0

1.7

Minerals mg/100g

Calcium (Ca)

162 - 259

102 - 203

110

Phosphorus (P)

82 - 183

86 - 118

90

Sodium (Na)

41 - 132

35 - 65

58

Magnesium (Mg)

14 - 19

13 - 19

11

Zinc (Zn)

0.5 - 1.2

0.19 - 0.5

0.3

Iron (Fe)

0.03 - 0.1

0.01 - 0.1

0.04

It does sound good. : -)

Bruce

[Guest guest]

Hi KC,

I understand about the 'too busy' part. Yesterday, by the time I shut down I totaled 1161 processed e-mails. Living alone, I couldn't possibly handle that on a daily basis and still get my work done, come Spring. But then, I imagine most of us will be pretty busy then too. In the meantime, it's good that you all are there. We've had fun on Small Rancher, too.

Beverly

Re: Sheep's Milk

Hi KC,

I'm getting some East Friesian Dairy Sheep. My favorite cheese in all the world is Petite Basque, and is a sheep cheese, followed by Manouri which is sheep and goat mixed. I have a chart of the various milk values somewhere in my files if you want it. I've never had the straight milk though. Can't wait to try it.

Beverly (Jeez, you really scoot around the groups! lol)

----- Original Message -----

From: Tinybabe

I'm intrigued by all the sheep cheese that is out now. I'm also interested in how sheep milk tastes. Is it rich? Does it get sheepy (A word?), like goat's milk gets goaty after a few days? How's the cream....Heavy or light? Sweet or not so sweet. Do cow milk drinkers like sheep milk?

I sold one of my shareholders some Colby cheese that I made and she went nuts for it. I'm wondering how it would be to use sheep milk for Colby and if it worth getting a ewe.

What breeds are milking sheep?

Thanks for any and all responses.

K.C.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

At 11:14 PM -0500 1/11/05, Anton wrote:

>[...] Sometimes I entertain

>crazy fantasies about having a few sheep for myself, and my home has

>several acres of unused pasture with fencing, but it wouldn't fit my

>current lifestyle and I have at least a dozen superb milk sources

>within a ten minute drive...

That greenish tinge on your monitor is the reflection of my envy.

*loooonnnng siiiiigh*

Someday, maybe...

Tom

(anxiously awaiting a raw dairy " care-package " from The Dairy Angel)

--

" Should we give up the kind of farming that has been proven to

preserve communities and land and is ecologically and spiritually

sound for a way that is culturally and environmentally harmful? "

-- Kline, _Great Possessions: An Amish Farmer's Journal_

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Some sites worth visiting: http://www.nffc.net/

http://www.realmilk.org http://www.slowfood.com

http://www.westonaprice.org http://www.eatwild.com

http://www.ruralheritage.com http://www.smallfarmersjournal.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

Yup, I'm in that group too. lol Keeps me busy. I never needed a separate pasture. I ran my animals in a 'flerd' (mixed flock/herd) and I never had any problems at all. The only separations I ever did was to pull the boys until I was ready to let them breed. Oh those girls though. Such hussies. They'd go up the ram and buck pens and strut their stuff. ROFL I envy you your dozen good milk sources. I have to wait until these are freshened again, or drink the commercial gunk.

Beverly

----- Original Message -----

From: Anton

By the way, for Beverly and others, there is a Yahoo Group about dairy sheep. I subscribe to it, but I've never actually had the time to open that folder and read anything... :-( Sometimes I entertain crazy fantasies about having a few sheep for myself, and my home hasseveral acres of unused pasture with fencing, but it wouldn't fit my current lifestyle and I have at least a dozen superb milk sources within a ten minute drive...Mike SE Pennsylvania

[Guest guest]

I'm filing this in my cabinet. Great information. Thanks.

With all that biotin, one should have great skin, bones and hair from drinking it. I would imagine the tryptophane in it is also higher, so with the calcium, magnesium being higher, one might be REAL relaxed as well (LOL).

Now I'm going to ask 2 more questions: How destructive are sheep (fences, trees, etc.)? Can one live with a cow or two?

I'm going to go look at milking breeds of sheep. Sounds way too good to pass up.

K.C.

Re: Sheep's Milk

> I'm intrigued by all the sheep cheese that is out now. I'm also interested in> how sheep milk tastes. Is it rich? Does it get sheepy (A word?), like goat's> milk gets goaty after a few days? How's the cream....Heavy or light? Sweet or> not so sweet. Do cow milk drinkers like sheep milk?http://www.sheepdairying.com/Milk.htm

"Sheeps milk is both nutritious and delicious. The Milk has a rich, bland, slightly sweet taste. It is much higher in total solids than either cow or goat milk and contains up to twice as many of the minerals like calcium, phosphorus and zinc and the all important B group Vitamins."

http://www.sheepdairying.com/health.html

A typical comparative analysis of Sheep, Goat and Cow milks

Whole Milk %

Sheep

Goat

Cow

Total Solids

18.3

11.2

12.1

Fat

6.7

3.9

3.5

Protein

5.6

2.9

3.4

Lactose

4.8

4.1

4.5

Calorific value /100g

102

77

73

Vitamins mg/l

Riboflavin B2

4.3

1.4

2.2

Thiamine

1.2

0.5

0.5

Niacin B1

5.4

2.5

1.0

Pantothenic acid

5.3

3.6

3.4

B6

0.7

0.6

0.5

Folic acid ug/l

0.5

0.06

0.5

B12

0.09

0.007

0.03

Biotin

5.0

4.0

1.7

Minerals mg/100g

Calcium (Ca)

162 - 259

102 - 203

110

Phosphorus (P)

82 - 183

86 - 118

90

Sodium (Na)

41 - 132

35 - 65

58

Magnesium (Mg)

14 - 19

13 - 19

11

Zinc (Zn)

0.5 - 1.2

0.19 - 0.5

0.3

Iron (Fe)

0.03 - 0.1

0.01 - 0.1

0.04

It does sound good. : -)

BrucePLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

[K.C.] With all that biotin, one should have great skin, bones and

hair from drinking it. I would imagine the tryptophane in it is also

higher, so with the calcium, magnesium being higher, one might be REAL

relaxed as well (LOL).

[MAP] Before you get too excited :-) I should point out that you'd

have to drink well over a gallon of the milk to get the same amount of

biotin in one egg yolk or a tiny piece of liver....

As far as comparisons to goat and cow milk, sheep milk doesn't really

have significantly higher nutrient-density in anything on that chart;

that chart is just a typical example of misleading data presentation

in which the comparison is made with a somewhat irrelevant

weight/volume measurement instead of an energy measurement (e.g.

calories). Sheep milk simply has a lower percentage of water than

the other types and that's what makes it looks better in these kinds

of charts. In other words, you'd drink slightly less of it to get the

same macronutritional intake, so you'd wind up getting about the same

amount of all those micronutrients as you would from the other milks.

I've posted on this point in the past and given charts of

<cow,goat,sheep> comparisons corrected for caloric equivalence. So

anyway, there is no significant difference in biotin between those

three milks, besides the fact there are common foods (eggs, liver)

providing vastly more. Likewise for the minerals.

Sheep milk has a slightly higher concentration of all amino acids,

including tryptophan compared to goat or cow milk, but I seriously

doubt the difference is large enough to produce any noticeable

effects, as the difference between sheep milk and, say, cow milk is

about nine or ten times less than the difference between cow milk and,

say, turkey. (based on USDA data)

Mike

SE Pennsylvania

The best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan Kay

[Guest guest]

From: " Anton "

> that chart is just a typical example of misleading data presentation

> in which the comparison is made with a somewhat irrelevant

> weight/volume measurement instead of an energy measurement (e.g.

> calories).

I would think that measurements made with volume as one graph axis would be the

most salient presentation for comparison unless you are interested in the

products value to processors or production/feed conversion values. On a

practical level milk used in a home would be handled and consumed on a per

volume basis unless you are counting calories to lose weight or doing a calorie

restriction longevity protocol or something of that sort. Dry weight nutrient

density would be generally irrelevant on a home consumer level, imo.

regards, Bruce

[Guest guest]

Hi KC,

Sheep are easy, they get along with anything that'll go along. Cows are now problem. I have problems with electric fences. All that wool is a great insulator. Barbed wire gets tangled. High tensile seven strand works, as well as woven. They aren't bad with fencing though. Not big enough I guess. But sneaky. LOL

Beverly

Re: Sheep's Milk

> I'm intrigued by all the sheep cheese that is out now. I'm also interested in> how sheep milk tastes. Is it rich? Does it get sheepy (A word?), like goat's> milk gets goaty after a few days? How's the cream....Heavy or light? Sweet or> not so sweet. Do cow milk drinkers like sheep milk?http://www.sheepdairying.com/Milk.htm

"Sheeps milk is both nutritious and delicious. The Milk has a rich, bland, slightly sweet taste. It is much higher in total solids than either cow or goat milk and contains up to twice as many of the minerals like calcium, phosphorus and zinc and the all important B group Vitamins."

http://www.sheepdairying.com/health.html

A typical comparative analysis of Sheep, Goat and Cow milks

Whole Milk %

Sheep

Goat

Cow

Total Solids

18.3

11.2

12.1

Fat

6.7

3.9

3.5

Protein

5.6

2.9

3.4

Lactose

4.8

4.1

4.5

Calorific value /100g

102

77

73

Vitamins mg/l

Riboflavin B2

4.3

1.4

2.2

Thiamine

1.2

0.5

0.5

Niacin B1

5.4

2.5

1.0

Pantothenic acid

5.3

3.6

3.4

B6

0.7

0.6

0.5

Folic acid ug/l

0.5

0.06

0.5

B12

0.09

0.007

0.03

Biotin

5.0

4.0

1.7

Minerals mg/100g

Calcium (Ca)

162 - 259

102 - 203

110

Phosphorus (P)

82 - 183

86 - 118

90

Sodium (Na)

41 - 132

35 - 65

58

Magnesium (Mg)

14 - 19

13 - 19

11

Zinc (Zn)

0.5 - 1.2

0.19 - 0.5

0.3

Iron (Fe)

0.03 - 0.1

0.01 - 0.1

0.04

It does sound good. : -)

BrucePLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the explanation.

So, would you personally recommend sheep milk over Jersey milk?

K.C.

Re: Sheep's Milk

[K.C.] With all that biotin, one should have great skin, bones andhair from drinking it. I would imagine the tryptophane in it is alsohigher, so with the calcium, magnesium being higher, one might be REALrelaxed as well (LOL).[MAP] Before you get too excited :-) I should point out that you'dhave to drink well over a gallon of the milk to get the same amount ofbiotin in one egg yolk or a tiny piece of liver....As far as comparisons to goat and cow milk, sheep milk doesn't reallyhave significantly higher nutrient-density in anything on that chart;that chart is just a typical example of misleading data presentationin which the comparison is made with a somewhat irrelevantweight/volume measurement instead of an energy measurement (e.g.calories). Sheep milk simply has a lower percentage of water thanthe other types and that's what makes it looks better in these kindsof charts. In other words, you'd drink slightly less of it to get thesame macronutritional intake, so you'd wind up getting about the sameamount of all those micronutrients as you would from the other milks. I've posted on this point in the past and given charts of<cow,goat,sheep> comparisons corrected for caloric equivalence. Soanyway, there is no significant difference in biotin between thosethree milks, besides the fact there are common foods (eggs, liver)providing vastly more. Likewise for the minerals.Sheep milk has a slightly higher concentration of all amino acids,including tryptophan compared to goat or cow milk, but I seriouslydoubt the difference is large enough to produce any noticeableeffects, as the difference between sheep milk and, say, cow milk isabout nine or ten times less than the difference between cow milk and,say, turkey. (based on USDA data)Mike SE PennsylvaniaThe best way to predict the future is to invent it. --Alan KayPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

This is good to know. Sneaky huh. Well, I don't high tensile and only 2 strands, so I'll have to think about this and maybe before I get a lamb to raise, get some more strands of the wire I have.

Still have to research breeds and sizes. Are they easy to work with as far as raising to be friendly and for milking? Is there semen for A.I. or do I have to rent a ram? Don't want to keep bulls or rams on the property.

K.C.

Re: Sheep's Milk

> I'm intrigued by all the sheep cheese that is out now. I'm also interested in> how sheep milk tastes. Is it rich? Does it get sheepy (A word?), like goat's> milk gets goaty after a few days? How's the cream....Heavy or light? Sweet or> not so sweet. Do cow milk drinkers like sheep milk?http://www.sheepdairying.com/Milk.htm

"Sheeps milk is both nutritious and delicious. The Milk has a rich, bland, slightly sweet taste. It is much higher in total solids than either cow or goat milk and contains up to twice as many of the minerals like calcium, phosphorus and zinc and the all important B group Vitamins."

http://www.sheepdairying.com/health.html

A typical comparative analysis of Sheep, Goat and Cow milks

Whole Milk %

Sheep

Goat

Cow

Total Solids

18.3

11.2

12.1

Fat

6.7

3.9

3.5

Protein

5.6

2.9

3.4

Lactose

4.8

4.1

4.5

Calorific value /100g

102

77

73

Vitamins mg/l

Riboflavin B2

4.3

1.4

2.2

Thiamine

1.2

0.5

0.5

Niacin B1

5.4

2.5

1.0

Pantothenic acid

5.3

3.6

3.4

B6

0.7

0.6

0.5

Folic acid ug/l

0.5

0.06

0.5

B12

0.09

0.007

0.03

Biotin

5.0

4.0

1.7

Minerals mg/100g

Calcium (Ca)

162 - 259

102 - 203

110

Phosphorus (P)

82 - 183

86 - 118

90

Sodium (Na)

41 - 132

35 - 65

58

Magnesium (Mg)

14 - 19

13 - 19

11

Zinc (Zn)

0.5 - 1.2

0.19 - 0.5

0.3

Iron (Fe)

0.03 - 0.1

0.01 - 0.1

0.04

It does sound good. : -)

BrucePLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

Hi KC,

You can A.I., or borrow a ram, if you know somebody. As for sneaky, I use cattle panels and move them as needed. When I reconfigured my pasture it's all open. NO fence. They knew when they had a good thing going. I had them for a few years before I got my Border Collie, and they never went anywhere. We played a few games. Like Little Bo Peep I 'lost my sheep' a time or two, and when I was hot and disgusted I got home to find that they were already there. I, um, think they were laughing at me. They even learned that if they scattered they could outwit the dog for a little while (he couldn't chase them all in different directions), but they had mercy and just went home, and right through the gate and into the pasture. I had a special 'call' I used when I wanted them to come in. The goats and sheep came running.

As for sheep milk vs Jersey. Why not both? There's a place for each. I love cheese made from several kinds of milk. If it isn't processed, it shouldn't make that much difference.

Beverly

Re: Sheep's Milk

> I'm intrigued by all the sheep cheese that is out now. I'm also interested in> how sheep milk tastes. Is it rich? Does it get sheepy (A word?), like goat's> milk gets goaty after a few days? How's the cream....Heavy or light? Sweet or> not so sweet. Do cow milk drinkers like sheep milk?http://www.sheepdairying.com/Milk.htm

"Sheeps milk is both nutritious and delicious. The Milk has a rich, bland, slightly sweet taste. It is much higher in total solids than either cow or goat milk and contains up to twice as many of the minerals like calcium, phosphorus and zinc and the all important B group Vitamins."

http://www.sheepdairying.com/health.html

A typical comparative analysis of Sheep, Goat and Cow milks

Whole Milk %

Sheep

Goat

Cow

Total Solids

18.3

11.2

12.1

Fat

6.7

3.9

3.5

Protein

5.6

2.9

3.4

Lactose

4.8

4.1

4.5

Calorific value /100g

102

77

73

Vitamins mg/l

Riboflavin B2

4.3

1.4

2.2

Thiamine

1.2

0.5

0.5

Niacin B1

5.4

2.5

1.0

Pantothenic acid

5.3

3.6

3.4

B6

0.7

0.6

0.5

Folic acid ug/l

0.5

0.06

0.5

B12

0.09

0.007

0.03

Biotin

5.0

4.0

1.7

Minerals mg/100g

Calcium (Ca)

162 - 259

102 - 203

110

Phosphorus (P)

82 - 183

86 - 118

90

Sodium (Na)

41 - 132

35 - 65

58

Magnesium (Mg)

14 - 19

13 - 19

11

Zinc (Zn)

0.5 - 1.2

0.19 - 0.5

0.3

Iron (Fe)

0.03 - 0.1

0.01 - 0.1

0.04

It does sound good. : -)

BrucePLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

I've wanted one for a long time. I was looking at the mini sheep. Can you milk them or don't they have a large enough bag? Although most sheep are THAT big, I've learned they can really weigh quite a bit.

I'm hoping to have things in order for one within the year.

K.C.

Re: Sheep's Milk

> I'm intrigued by all the sheep cheese that is out now. I'm also interested in> how sheep milk tastes. Is it rich? Does it get sheepy (A word?), like goat's> milk gets goaty after a few days? How's the cream....Heavy or light? Sweet or> not so sweet. Do cow milk drinkers like sheep milk?http://www.sheepdairying.com/Milk.htm

"Sheeps milk is both nutritious and delicious. The Milk has a rich, bland, slightly sweet taste. It is much higher in total solids than either cow or goat milk and contains up to twice as many of the minerals like calcium, phosphorus and zinc and the all important B group Vitamins."

http://www.sheepdairying.com/health.html

A typical comparative analysis of Sheep, Goat and Cow milks

Whole Milk %

Sheep

Goat

Cow

Total Solids

18.3

11.2

12.1

Fat

6.7

3.9

3.5

Protein

5.6

2.9

3.4

Lactose

4.8

4.1

4.5

Calorific value /100g

102

77

73

Vitamins mg/l

Riboflavin B2

4.3

1.4

2.2

Thiamine

1.2

0.5

0.5

Niacin B1

5.4

2.5

1.0

Pantothenic acid

5.3

3.6

3.4

B6

0.7

0.6

0.5

Folic acid ug/l

0.5

0.06

0.5

B12

0.09

0.007

0.03

Biotin

5.0

4.0

1.7

Minerals mg/100g

Calcium (Ca)

162 - 259

102 - 203

110

Phosphorus (P)

82 - 183

86 - 118

90

Sodium (Na)

41 - 132

35 - 65

58

Magnesium (Mg)

14 - 19

13 - 19

11

Zinc (Zn)

0.5 - 1.2

0.19 - 0.5

0.3

Iron (Fe)

0.03 - 0.1

0.01 - 0.1

0.04

It does sound good. : -)

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I guess you could milk a mini, but maybe 'tweezers'? (grin) Yeah, sheep can be heavy. I've had some at about 250, but most are less, and they are so-o-o easy. If you really want milk, try a Friesian cross. I've heard the Dorset goes well too, but I can't vouch for it. Sheep are neat critters. I've always loved mine. If I had a cow though, I'd want the Jersey. The butterfat makes great cheese.

Beverly

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From: Tinybabe

I've wanted one for a long time. I was looking at the mini sheep. Can you milk them or don't they have a large enough bag? Although most sheep are THAT big, I've learned they can really weigh quite a bit.

I'm hoping to have things in order for one within the year.

K.C.

[Guest guest]

True. My Mini Jersey's milk makes the best cheese. I don't use just the cream, but whole milk and sometimes I skim some of the cream and save it for butter. Like when I have some older milk that people don't want. Only a few days old (lasts for more than a week), but they only want fresh, fresh. So, I take that milk, skim off some of the cream and make cheese. I just finished some colby (needs waxing) and munster (needs to set for 3 weeks before waxing so it gets the red coloring from the bacteria).

It's sooooooo good.

K.C.

Re: Sheep's Milk

I guess you could milk a mini, but maybe 'tweezers'? (grin) Yeah, sheep can be heavy. I've had some at about 250, but most are less, and they are so-o-o easy. If you really want milk, try a Friesian cross. I've heard the Dorset goes well too, but I can't vouch for it. Sheep are neat critters. I've always loved mine. If I had a cow though, I'd want the Jersey. The butterfat makes great cheese.

Beverly

----- Original Message -----

From: Tinybabe

I've wanted one for a long time. I was looking at the mini sheep. Can you milk them or don't they have a large enough bag? Although most sheep are THAT big, I've learned they can really weigh quite a bit.

I'm hoping to have things in order for one within the year.

K.C.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

True. My Mini Jersey's milk makes the best cheese. I don't use just the cream, but whole milk and sometimes I skim some of the cream and save it for butter. Like when I have some older milk that people don't want. Only a few days old (lasts for more than a week), but they only want fresh, fresh. So, I take that milk, skim off some of the cream and make cheese. I just finished some colby (needs waxing) and munster (needs to set for 3 weeks before waxing so it gets the red coloring from the bacteria).

It's sooooooo good.

K.C.

Re: Sheep's Milk

I guess you could milk a mini, but maybe 'tweezers'? (grin) Yeah, sheep can be heavy. I've had some at about 250, but most are less, and they are so-o-o easy. If you really want milk, try a Friesian cross. I've heard the Dorset goes well too, but I can't vouch for it. Sheep are neat critters. I've always loved mine. If I had a cow though, I'd want the Jersey. The butterfat makes great cheese.

Beverly

----- Original Message -----

From: Tinybabe

I've wanted one for a long time. I was looking at the mini sheep. Can you milk them or don't they have a large enough bag? Although most sheep are THAT big, I've learned they can really weigh quite a bit.

I'm hoping to have things in order for one within the year.

K.C.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

Sounds great KC. Where do you get a mini Jersey? I've wanted one for a long time, but I live alone, and one person can drink just so much milk!

Beverly

----- Original Message -----

From: Tinybabe

True. My Mini Jersey's milk makes the best cheese. I don't use just the cream, but whole milk and sometimes I skim some of the cream and save it for butter. Like when I have some older milk that people don't want. Only a few days old (lasts for more than a week), but they only want fresh, fresh. So, I take that milk, skim off some of the cream and make cheese. I just finished some colby (needs waxing) and munster (needs to set for 3 weeks before waxing so it gets the red coloring from the bacteria).

It's sooooooo good.

K.C.

[Guest guest]

Where did you ever find a recipe and culture for munster? I have

been looking for a long time and have never found it in any

cheesemaking books. It is one of my favorite cheeses, along with

very dry, sharp cheddar and havarti.

Weldon

A Bit of Earth Farm

Lithfield, Ohio 44253

I just finished some colby (needs waxing) and munster (needs to set

for 3 weeks before waxing so it gets the red coloring from the

bacteria).

>

> It's sooooooo good.

>

> K.C.

[Guest guest]

You're right. That's why I have a cow share program. It allows me the milk I want to drink (not much) make cheese and provide those that want it, raw milk. This help with paying for feed, grain and supplements. However, if I overcharged like they do in other areas, I would make a lot more money (LOL).

I got mine from Fonnie Thoman in Ohio. She has the largest herd and from what I've researched, the only herd that has been DNA tested to be pure Jersey. I love my Margie. She's the sweetest girl. Of course, I'm sure people with other Jerseys think the same of theirs. It's their nature. Mine is just in a smaller package. Margie went over the 42" height standard for most miniature breeds and is 43.5. But, it's still real workable and I wouldn't trade her for the world.

I had more, but was forced to sell due to financial problems. Here's a pic with Margie in front and my Big Shorthorn in back. Margie's son is sneaking a drink.....obviously.

K.C.

Re: Sheep's Milk

Sounds great KC. Where do you get a mini Jersey? I've wanted one for a long time, but I live alone, and one person can drink just so much milk!

Beverly

----- Original Message -----

From: Tinybabe

True. My Mini Jersey's milk makes the best cheese. I don't use just the cream, but whole milk and sometimes I skim some of the cream and save it for butter. Like when I have some older milk that people don't want. Only a few days old (lasts for more than a week), but they only want fresh, fresh. So, I take that milk, skim off some of the cream and make cheese. I just finished some colby (needs waxing) and munster (needs to set for 3 weeks before waxing so it gets the red coloring from the bacteria).

It's sooooooo good.

K.C.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

You're right. That's why I have a cow share program. It allows me the milk I want to drink (not much) make cheese and provide those that want it, raw milk. This help with paying for feed, grain and supplements. However, if I overcharged like they do in other areas, I would make a lot more money (LOL).

I got mine from Fonnie Thoman in Ohio. She has the largest herd and from what I've researched, the only herd that has been DNA tested to be pure Jersey. I love my Margie. She's the sweetest girl. Of course, I'm sure people with other Jerseys think the same of theirs. It's their nature. Mine is just in a smaller package. Margie went over the 42" height standard for most miniature breeds and is 43.5. But, it's still real workable and I wouldn't trade her for the world.

I had more, but was forced to sell due to financial problems. Here's a pic with Margie in front and my Big Shorthorn in back. Margie's son is sneaking a drink.....obviously.

K.C.

Re: Sheep's Milk

Sounds great KC. Where do you get a mini Jersey? I've wanted one for a long time, but I live alone, and one person can drink just so much milk!

Beverly

----- Original Message -----

From: Tinybabe

True. My Mini Jersey's milk makes the best cheese. I don't use just the cream, but whole milk and sometimes I skim some of the cream and save it for butter. Like when I have some older milk that people don't want. Only a few days old (lasts for more than a week), but they only want fresh, fresh. So, I take that milk, skim off some of the cream and make cheese. I just finished some colby (needs waxing) and munster (needs to set for 3 weeks before waxing so it gets the red coloring from the bacteria).

It's sooooooo good.

K.C.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

[Guest guest]

Hi KC,

Margie is gorgeous. She really looks in good form too. I'll see if I can find Fonnie Thoman. She's on Google? I have to follow up on this one. Thanks again.

Bev

----- Original Message -----

From: Tinybabe

You're right. That's why I have a cow share program. It allows me the milk I want to drink (not much) make cheese and provide those that want it, raw milk. This help with paying for feed, grain and supplements. However, if I overcharged like they do in other areas, I would make a lot more money (LOL).

I got mine from Fonnie Thoman in Ohio. She has the largest herd and from what I've researched, the only herd that has been DNA tested to be pure Jersey. I love my Margie. She's the sweetest girl. Of course, I'm sure people with other Jerseys think the same of theirs. It's their nature. Mine is just in a smaller package. Margie went over the 42" height standard for most miniature breeds and is 43.5. But, it's still real workable and I wouldn't trade her for the world.

I had more, but was forced to sell due to financial problems. Here's a pic with Margie in front and my Big Shorthorn in back. Margie's son is sneaking a drink.....obviously.

K.C.

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I should have put her site up here for you. Its, www.miniaturejerserys.com.

K.C.

Re: Sheep's Milk

Hi KC,

Margie is gorgeous. She really looks in good form too. I'll see if I can find Fonnie Thoman. She's on Google? I have to follow up on this one. Thanks again.

Bev

----- Original Message -----

From: Tinybabe

You're right. That's why I have a cow share program. It allows me the milk I want to drink (not much) make cheese and provide those that want it, raw milk. This help with paying for feed, grain and supplements. However, if I overcharged like they do in other areas, I would make a lot more money (LOL).

I got mine from Fonnie Thoman in Ohio. She has the largest herd and from what I've researched, the only herd that has been DNA tested to be pure Jersey. I love my Margie. She's the sweetest girl. Of course, I'm sure people with other Jerseys think the same of theirs. It's their nature. Mine is just in a smaller package. Margie went over the 42" height standard for most miniature breeds and is 43.5. But, it's still real workable and I wouldn't trade her for the world.

I had more, but was forced to sell due to financial problems. Here's a pic with Margie in front and my Big Shorthorn in back. Margie's son is sneaking a drink.....obviously.

K.C.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/