Re: Where the zapper probes go

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Les Catterall wrote:

> Assuming the objective is to kill parasites in the blood,

> and this I think, is the reason why the electrodes are

> placed over arterial vessels at the wrists. Why don't

> you simply place them on the same wrist or in close

> proximity at some other suitable location?

This is indeed the way a different device is used. It's the DC-TENS

(formerly known as the Godzilla), a much simpler, but " hotter, " device

than the Zapper. There is a Yahoo group dedicated to its use:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/

I don't know if anyone knows how the current flows through the body from

the zapper. Perhaps it moves through the connective tissue, and if both

electrodes were placed on the same wrist, the current would not affect

the whole body.

Lane

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Lane P. Lester / Madison County, Georgia

**Running Linux more and Windows less**

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Quoting Les Catterall :

> Hello Zappers,

>

> In discussing whether or not a capacitor should be placed

> in parallel with the current limiting resistor of Hulda

> 's zapper, I had a thought...

>

> Why do you guys put the probes, pads, electrodes, or

> whatever you use onto alternate limbs? I am right aren't

> I? You put the connection coming from the hot side of the

> zapper onto your right wrist, and the ground connection

> of the zapper onto your other wrist. If you do this, I

> wonder whether it's optimal?

Putting a capacitor in parallel with the resistor would cause the

waveform's 40 - 200 ns rise times to become more sloped. The waveform would

change from a square to more of a sine wave.

I believe that most researchers find that the effectiveness of these

devices come from having a fast rise times.

The resistor would serve to cut back on DC voltage passing into the body.

But as Bob Beck, and Einstein medical college of medicine have pointed out,

weak electrical currents at Mico-Ampere levels is responsible for the

destruction of all virus, pathogens and fungus in blood and other body fluids.

But in the case of a resistor on a hylda clark device, this is a moot point as

you'll see from the below explanations.

> Assuming the objective is to kill parasites in the blood,

> and this I think, is the reason why the electrodes are

> placed over arterial vessels at the wrists. Why don't

> you simply place them on the same wrist or in close

> proximity at some other suitable location?

With Hylda clark, the object is to kill all parasites, flukes and other

critters located in various body areas. That is why the electrodes are

typically placed far apart from one another. You'll see why in better light

as I continue.

> I say this because I believe arterial blood has an incredible

> circulatory rate (biologically oriented people will know the

> actual rate -- I think it's in the 10s of seconds to go around

> the whole body and back again). My idea is that if you shorten

> the distance between the electrodes, it may improve control

> over the zapping process.

Beck Protocols, and the silver pulser are more suited to blood

electrification, and put out variable voltage to about 31 Volts DC. The

reason for this high amount of voltage is to overcome the skins resistance and

get the electrical energy into the blood.

Beck's silver pulser also relies on placing the electrodes on one wrist

overtop the two arteried to turn the person's hand into a blood cleaner.

> Given the (I guess) 8V output, and the limiting resistor of

> 1K in Hulda 's zapper, the short circuit current is:

> 8V/1K = 8mA. I suspect you may actually need less than 0.5mA

> (ie, 500uA) flowing between the electrodes to produce results.

> Thus the limiting resistor may need to be changed to something

> like 15K, giving a short circuit current of about 530uA.

>

> What do people think about this proposal? What do you Biologists

> think about it? Remember, it's electric current that does the

> work in zapping.

To me it sounds like you're wanting to do blood electrification, which is

known to work. But the voltages and electrical current's used are quite high

when compared to the output of a Hylda machine. Also the Beck hardware

uses a BIPHASIC 4 to 100 hz square waveform. Biphasic is important to stop

electrolysis of the blood and body tissue. Beck machines also use the lower

frequencys because higher frequencies will only travel on the surface of the

body.

Beck machines use weak electrical currents induced in the blood, or in the

case of his Magnetic Pulser, to create weak electrical currents throughout the

body. Again, all of this is geared to electrical currents being produced in

the blood and other body fluids.

Hylda clark's machine works on an entirly different principal. I believe

it uses a high frequency ( 30,000 Hz) which tends to travel over the surface

of the skin to create harmonics (square waveform again is important) to kill

critters in the intestines and all over the place in the body.

From the above explanation, your question about placing the electrodes on

opposite limbs becomes clear. We want to create harmonics over a large chunk

of the body, and electrodes on opposite limbs will allow harmonics to be

distributed over most of the body.

Hylda uses frequencies to produce harmonics to kill the bad guys.

Beck hardware is more geared towards basic electrification to kill the

bad guys. But with a 4 - 100 Hz square waveform I would suspect harmonics are

produced as well.

I have all the above mentioned hardware and have them all.

> If I ever decided to start zapping (I currently am using a

> Rife/Bare plasma device), I think I'd try it this way.

I like Rife/Bare plasma units because it hits the entire body at once.

But rise times again are the critical thing here. Hence having the leading

edge spike on the waveform is important.

> Oh,

> I also use an harmonic pulser derived from a design by Ed

> Skilling, from memory it puts out a 2Hz pulse modulated, 788Hz

> Amplitude Modulated RF signal (of 28.8MHz I think) which is

> transmitted via a little planar antenna. It's a champion, when

> I first used the harmonic pulser, I started to believe...

I haven't found much feeling from this. My other half can feel this one

more then I. I use it on our sick ferret, which reminds me, I need to start

the machine up again.

Regards,

---- Robb -----

[Guest guest]

Hi Les,

Why not just use the Beck type blood electrifier? It outputs 30VAC

(adjustable), 4Hz square wave, and uses a ~1k resistor for current

limiting. Both electrodes are used on either side of the arteries

on one wrist.

The zapper has such a low output. Interesting that most Rife

pad units supply much more voltage. I think that's because it is

necessary to have at least a few hundred uA to kill some microbes

(but then the plasma tube does the job with little or no current

entering the body - so either method seems to work, at least for

some).

I rather have the extra current, just in case. If one was dying

from a serious infection (with no known cure) which device would

you recommend?

--

Best regards,

Bil Green

2001 TV VCR

Mammoth Lakes, CA 93546

mailto:tv.vcrrepair@...

Wednesday, July 23, 2003, 3:02:30 AM, you wrote:

LC> Hello Zappers,

LC> In discussing whether or not a capacitor should be placed

LC> in parallel with the current limiting resistor of Hulda

LC> 's zapper, I had a thought...

LC> Why do you guys put the probes, pads, electrodes, or

LC> whatever you use onto alternate limbs? I am right aren't

LC> I? You put the connection coming from the hot side of the

LC> zapper onto your right wrist, and the ground connection

LC> of the zapper onto your other wrist. If you do this, I

LC> wonder whether it's optimal?

LC> Assuming the objective is to kill parasites in the blood,

LC> and this I think, is the reason why the electrodes are

LC> placed over arterial vessels at the wrists. Why don't

LC> you simply place them on the same wrist or in close

LC> proximity at some other suitable location?

LC> I say this because I believe arterial blood has an incredible

LC> circulatory rate (biologically oriented people will know the

LC> actual rate -- I think it's in the 10s of seconds to go around

LC> the whole body and back again). My idea is that if you shorten

LC> the distance between the electrodes, it may improve control

LC> over the zapping process.

LC> Given the (I guess) 8V output, and the limiting resistor of

LC> 1K in Hulda 's zapper, the short circuit current is:

LC> 8V/1K = 8mA. I suspect you may actually need less than 0.5mA

LC> (ie, 500uA) flowing between the electrodes to produce results.

LC> Thus the limiting resistor may need to be changed to something

LC> like 15K, giving a short circuit current of about 530uA.

LC> What do people think about this proposal? What do you Biologists

LC> think about it? Remember, it's electric current that does the

LC> work in zapping.

LC> If I ever decided to start zapping (I currently am using a

LC> Rife/Bare plasma device), I think I'd try it this way. Oh,

LC> I also use an harmonic pulser derived from a design by Ed

LC> Skilling, from memory it puts out a 2Hz pulse modulated, 788Hz

LC> Amplitude Modulated RF signal (of 28.8MHz I think) which is

LC> transmitted via a little planar antenna. It's a champion, when

LC> I first used the harmonic pulser, I started to believe...

LC> Good health to all - Les Catterall

[Guest guest]

Hi Lane,

It's good to know there's something out there already. Thanks.

As to the pathways for the current, this is what bothers me,

as current tends to follow the path of least resistance. This

being the case it seems to me, highly unlikely, that much of

it would be available to flow through bodily tissues generally,

unless they happen to be on the path of least resistance.

Les Catterall

--

" Lane P. Lester " wrote:

>

> Les Catterall wrote:

> > Assuming the objective is to kill parasites in the blood,

> > and this I think, is the reason why the electrodes are

> > placed over arterial vessels at the wrists. Why don't

> > you simply place them on the same wrist or in close

> > proximity at some other suitable location?

>

> This is indeed the way a different device is used. It's the DC-TENS

> (formerly known as the Godzilla), a much simpler, but " hotter, " device

> than the Zapper. There is a Yahoo group dedicated to its use:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/

>

> I don't know if anyone knows how the current flows through the body from

> the zapper. Perhaps it moves through the connective tissue, and if both

> electrodes were placed on the same wrist, the current would not affect

> the whole body.

>

> Lane

[Guest guest]

Hi Robb,

Thank you for your excellent and edifying reply. It makes a lot

of sense generally, and I see now why widely separating the

electrodes is the preferred way to go.

I do disagree with you regarding inclusion of the capacitor though.

Your point would be correct if it was the capacitor " CL " that was

being added, but I'm led to believe that it represents stray

capacitance of the subject and electrodes. The capacitance under

discussion has been that of C3 in the circuit below - knowing

that I'm sure you'll agree.

I had been arguing that it need not be added, just to remove the

rounding from the CRO display (seen at " Vout " ). In light of your

information that the current travels from pin 3 of the 555,

through R3,C3, over the surface of the skin, and back to pin 1

of the 555, I think I may be persuaded to agree with its inclusion!

This would, so called, " square up " the waveform at " Vout " assuming

an appropriate value is used.

(10uF)

+--- C3 ---+

3>----+ +----> >------+

+--- R3 ---+ ^ |

(1K) | +-+-+

| | |

Vout RL CL

| | |

| +-+-+

(Gnd) | |

1>--------------------> >------+

rnthomas@... wrote:

>

> <snip>

>

> Putting a capacitor in parallel with the resistor would cause the

> waveform's 40 - 200 ns rise times to become more sloped. The waveform would

> change from a square to more of a sine wave.

Thanks again - Les Catterall

[Guest guest]

Hi Bil,

After reading the reply provided by Robb regarding the

differences between the Hulda zappers and the Beck zappers

I can see where I was in need of clarification. Thank you also

for your comments below.

To be frank, I have been diagnosed with a life threatening

illness, having been diagnosed with stage 4 advanced non small

cell adenocarcinoma of the lung. I have numerous tumors. I've

been dealing with it for about 18 months now. I'm still feeling

very positive.

People on the list should be aware of my situation. I believe that

hiding such stuff from people is not helpful, to the contrary, it

helps me heaps to let you guys know. I wish I could explain to you

what a blessing it is sometimes -- it truly has enriched my life

in many ways. So please don't treat me any differently. Like me,

get irritated with me, whatever, I'm here to participate and

contribute whenever I can.

Which device would I recommend? Well I think Rife was incredible.

If only his work hadn't been destroyed, I'm angry as hell about

that! You know, I believe, those who pass on are available to

call upon for assistance as required -- once they're on the other

side, they're duty bound to answer every call for help. I'm going

to start calling upon the services of " Fishbein " a whole

lot more in future, I think he's got a lot to answer for.

I have had profound experiences with an harmonic pulser as

mentioned in another post. The new information from Robb, gives

me knew interest in the Hulda zapper! Then there's looking

at your diet, Budwig Cream, cleansing and detoxing, staying

positive -- you know I never get depressed about my diagnosis,

I know the body can perform miracles. I mean everybody's body is

doing just that all the time as it is! Besides, I've got one

thing to worry about, what else is there? Life is so incredible,

people say things like, " if I just had this I'd be happy " , " no,

that wasn't it, if I just had that, I'd be happy " , never realising

that they just need to simply " be happy " , as in, " hey! I'm happy! " .

I often go around bursting with happiness....

I needed to say that. Sorry about the off topic aspects covered,

but as I say, I needed to say it. Thanks Bil.

Cheers - Les

--

Bil Green wrote:

>

> Hi Les,

>

> Why not just use the Beck type blood electrifier? It outputs 30VAC

> (adjustable), 4Hz square wave, and uses a ~1k resistor for current

> limiting. Both electrodes are used on either side of the arteries

> on one wrist.

>

> The zapper has such a low output. Interesting that most Rife

> pad units supply much more voltage. I think that's because it is

> necessary to have at least a few hundred uA to kill some microbes

> (but then the plasma tube does the job with little or no current

> entering the body - so either method seems to work, at least for

> some).

>

> I rather have the extra current, just in case. If one was dying

> from a serious infection (with no known cure) which device would

> you recommend?

>

> --

> Best regards,

>

> Bil Green

[Guest guest]

Quoting Les Catterall :

> I do disagree with you regarding inclusion of the capacitor though.

> Your point would be correct if it was the capacitor " CL " that was

> being added, but I'm led to believe that it represents stray

> capacitance of the subject and electrodes. The capacitance under

> discussion has been that of C3 in the circuit below - knowing

> that I'm sure you'll agree.

I have to agree. Actually, now that I think about it a bit more, coupling

the signal through a capacitor would also cut back on electrolysis of the body

tissues as well. I am beginning to like the idea of coupling the 555 through

capacitors.

> I had been arguing that it need not be added, just to remove the

> rounding from the CRO display (seen at " Vout " ). In light of your

> information that the current travels from pin 3 of the 555,

> through R3,C3, over the surface of the skin, and back to pin 1

And I am not overly sure about the skin thing at 30,000 Hz. I know that

higher frequencys like RF tends to travel on the surface of the object. But I

do not know exactly where the dividing lines of this effect lie. So I am not

sure if 30,000 Hz falls into this. But I do recall hearing that 30,000 Hz

travels the surface of the object.

But if this effect is true of 30,000Hz traveling over the skin, it could

explain why we use our crane machines / zappers and beck hardware at lower

frequencies, and why Rife may have abandoned the higher ones which he used on

the plasma device.

Anecdotally, in my own experiences, when a plasma device runs at higher

frequency, I do tend to 'feel it' a great deal more.

> of the 555, I think I may be persuaded to agree with its inclusion!

> This would, so called, " square up " the waveform at " Vout " assuming

> an appropriate value is used.

>

>

> (10uF)

> +--- C3 ---+

> 3>----+ +----> >------+

> +--- R3 ---+ ^ |

> (1K) | +-+-+

> | | |

> Vout RL CL

> | | |

> | +-+-+

> (Gnd) | |

> 1>--------------------> >------+

Quite correct. And it would also help reduce electrolysis in the body now

that I look at it a little closer.

Regards,

---- Robb ----

[Guest guest]

Hey Les,

Magnetic pulsers are one part of Beck Protocols, and they pulse a rather

large magnetic pulse into the body. This pulse will penetrate all body fluid,

and even bone. Once there by 'induction' it induces a weak electrical current

in all these areas. Do you have critters (Cancer, virus, fungus, something it

don't matter, it gets em all!) hanging out in the Lymph node system that you

would like to hastle? Magnetic pulsers are the ticket.

Pulsers are great for the various heavy trouble spots of the body, but is

not quite as nice as rife / clark for general body coverage. An excellent

addition to your aresenal. They also are great for back pain and joint

pain. People with Fibromialgia love em!

They cost about $400 CDN from Sota Instruments, what? You don't have

$400.00 CDN, and don't wanna wait for it to clear customs for about 2

months? Do you have about $60.00 bucks CDN in change tickling around in your

pocket? Are you able to cut a wire and solder a coil in? Well then we have

a Blue light special on magnetic pulsers today!

Go to radio shack, and pick up one of their strobe lights that plugs into

the wall. It's the one that uses a zenon camera flash tube and sends out a

really bright flash of light. $49.00 at radio shack.

Go to an electrical winding shop. Any place that rebuilds motors and

pick up some winding wire. I guess is 20 guage would work. Not too think,

but not too thick. You'll want about 50 - 100 feet. Who knows maybe the

winding shop would wind ya up a nice coil for a song. If not NO PROBLEM.

Take an old VHS video tape apart. Inside you'll find two spools of

tape. Take the tape off of one of the spools, and wind the wire around the

spool. When you hit the electrical winding store you could show em the tape

spool so the can get an idea of about how much wire you'll need. I picked up

about 300 feet for about $40 bucks... But I think you'll only be after about

50 to 100 feet.

Wrap the wire around the spool as tight as you can, and get as many turns

as possible on the spool. You now have a coil that will produce a great

magnetic pulse. You may want to add in an bit of extension cord wire to

lengthen the wires of the coil. About 6 feet otta do it. Wrap the whole

thing in electrical tape so that you don't accidently shock yourself as there

will be about 3000 volts traveling through the wires...

Take the flasher apart. You'll see that the flash tube will have three

wires. There will be three wires going to the tube. On a U tube, you do

not want to use the middle wire, any of the other two wires will work. Some

tubes are straigh, on straight | tubes, one end will have only one wire on it,

use that wire.

Cut the wire, and then hook the coil's wire leads in series to the tube.

.. COIL

.. | | <-- leads to the coil. 6 feet long

.. | |

T==== =======

U

U ============= <--- middle wire leave it alone

B

E=============

You now have a beck magnetic pulser at a fraction of the cost.

Sit back, watch T.V., read a book, Rife, or Hylda clark or all 5 of em at once

(you may wanna stop the strobe light from strobing the entire room) and hold

the coil of the area that you want to target. It's always fun to hit

critters on all sides at once.

Imagine how it would be for the critter. Your sitting there doin your

thing, then someone starts dropping electrical charges and electrocuting you.

While that's happening Rife/crane/plasma or is switched on so your also

being shaken. Also practice breathing, by inhaling deeply to get lots of O2

into your system. Try inhaling deep, then exhaling quickly. This would be

like really cheap O2 theropy read below, the effects also apply to O2 as well.

But be careful to avoid taking any drugs or strong herbs just before you do

this. Do this about 2 or more hours after injesting herbs / drugs. The

pulser above while cheap, is capable of delivering a few thousand pulses per

hour which means it can be subject to transfection/electroporation. That's

where if you say took a pile of Vitamin C. Well it will be amplified by a

factor of about 20-30 times! Almost like getting it injected.. This effect

applies to Coffee, aspirin (yiks, 20-30 aspirin... not good). Oil soluble

vitamins like vitamin A are really bad. Not much R & D has been done in this

area.

Regards,

----- Robb -----

[Guest guest]

Hi Robb,

Thanks Robb, I read your post. Very interesting suggestion. I am aware

of the Magnetic Pulse Generator, I have one on order actually. I believe

it's probably a good idea to start off very gradually with these things.

Thanks for the warning about their amplifying the effects of medications

and what not.

Cheer - Les

--

rnthomas@... wrote:

>

> Hey Les,

> Magnetic pulsers are one part of Beck Protocols, and they pulse a rather

> large magnetic pulse into the body. This pulse will penetrate all body fluid,

> and even bone. Once there by 'induction' it induces a weak electrical current

> in all these areas. Do you have critters (Cancer, virus, fungus, something it

> don't matter, it gets em all!) hanging out in the Lymph node system that you

> would like to hastle? Magnetic pulsers are the ticket.

> :

> :

> :

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Robb,

Thanks Robb, I read your post. Very interesting suggestion. I am aware

of the Magnetic Pulse Generator, I have one on order actually. I believe

it's probably a good idea to start off very gradually with these things.

Thanks for the warning about their amplifying the effects of medications

and what not.

Cheer - Les

--

rnthomas@... wrote:

>

> Hey Les,

> Magnetic pulsers are one part of Beck Protocols, and they pulse a rather

> large magnetic pulse into the body. This pulse will penetrate all body fluid,

> and even bone. Once there by 'induction' it induces a weak electrical current

> in all these areas. Do you have critters (Cancer, virus, fungus, something it

> don't matter, it gets em all!) hanging out in the Lymph node system that you

> would like to hastle? Magnetic pulsers are the ticket.

> :

> :

> :

>

[Guest guest]

I agree! I have learned so much from this group.I used the info to

treat my Daughter's brain stem tumor and passed this to others who have

needed it to help them. Isn't this the most important concept of all

?No fee ,No expected payback but Knowing that another's life is made

better.Thanks to all. Keep the info coming.Lets take back our medical

freedom . Gail ,mother of now 15 years old,DX at 13 ,with NO more

conventional medical drugs or surgery,Just wholistic- herbs ,vits,and RIFE

!DOCUMENtED with MRI'S!!!!YEA!

>

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>To: Rife

>Subject: Re: Where the zapper probes go

>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:37:51 +1000

>

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I agree! I have learned so much from this group.I used the info to

treat my Daughter's brain stem tumor and passed this to others who have

needed it to help them. Isn't this the most important concept of all

?No fee ,No expected payback but Knowing that another's life is made

better.Thanks to all. Keep the info coming.Lets take back our medical

freedom . Gail ,mother of now 15 years old,DX at 13 ,with NO more

conventional medical drugs or surgery,Just wholistic- herbs ,vits,and RIFE

!DOCUMENtED with MRI'S!!!!YEA!

>

>Reply-To: Rife

>To: Rife

>Subject: Re: Where the zapper probes go

>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:37:51 +1000

>

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