Re: Agent Orange

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Bill wrote about Roundup:

>Glyphosate breaks down into naturally

> occuring substances.

You make it sound very benign, yet I seem to remember a warning on the

bottle not to use this around ponds and streams (a possible hazard to frogs

and fish?)

> There is a huge difference in being concerned and

> worried. I do not like the control and profits that

> big chemical companies make at the farmers expense.

> That is why I don't use the stuff.

I agree, but I don't use it because I don't like the idea of poisoning the

earth or other creatures around me. When I lived in VT, there was a lot of

concern about a large amount of frogs that had mutated and had deformed or

missing legs. How was this happening and how long before this sort of

thing shows up higher along the food chain?

It seems to me that ALL chemicals have a price, and we must pay it down the

road with increased incidents of cancer and other ailments :-(

Oh dear, I'm so depressed I think I'll go and have a glass of store-bought

milk :-(

and the K9's

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Hi Bill,

Thanks for explaining, that makes sense! But it's too late, I already

drank that glass of store-bought milk =

and the K9's

> The reason not to use near water sources is that

> blue/green alge are very suceptable to low rates and

> it will kill them and as they decompose it will remove

> almost all of the disolved oxygen in the water,

> killing the fish. Glyphosate does indeed break down in

> to relatively benign substances. I still don't like to

> use it.

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I can only say this: RounUp killed my first Shorthorn cow with a 7 month calf inside her. Be very careful if you are using this stuff. All the testing they have done on it NEVER included spraying it so close to an animal in the wind that the animal could inhale it. I think they knew it would kill them instantly. And the F-ing farmer who killed my cow withing 9 minutes of spraying it never took responsibility and the state and feds covered up the fact that it was RoundUp that he was using.

I use it, but NEVER around the area where the cattle are.

K.C.

Re: Agent Orange

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KC,

I am not going to contest the point on what killed

your cow. I was at an ag chemical meeting a few years

ago and say a Monsanto rep open a sealed jug of

RoundUp, pour an ounce in a glass of Iced tea and

drink it down. No ill effects that I could see in the

next 6 hours. I have known this individual now for

over 25 years. He is still kicking.

Bill Dunlap

--- Tinybabe wrote:

> I can only say this: RounUp killed my first

> Shorthorn cow with a 7 month calf inside her. Be

> very careful if you are using this stuff. All the

> testing they have done on it NEVER included spraying

> it so close to an animal in the wind that the animal

> could inhale it. I think they knew it would kill

> them instantly. And the F-ing farmer who killed my

> cow withing 9 minutes of spraying it never took

> responsibility and the state and feds covered up the

> fact that it was RoundUp that he was using.

>

> I use it, but NEVER around the area where the cattle

> are.

>

> K.C.

> Re: Agent Orange

>

>

> Bill wrote about Roundup:

>

> >Glyphosate breaks down into naturally

> > occuring substances.

>

>

>

> PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!

> Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of

> information!

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " B Dunlap "

>

> Agent Orange was made up of

> 2-4-D, 2-4-5-T, surfactant, crop oil, and a little

> DSMA.

Lets not forget our friend Dioxin:

" Agent Orange is a defoliant, a plant killer, that was used in Vietnam for

" Territory Denial " . The idea was that the VC wouldn't be so hard to kill if we

could see them better by killing the jungle canopy that protected them.

Specifically Agent Orange was a 50:50 mixture of two Phenoxy herbicides, 2, 4-D

(2, 4 dichlorophenoxy acetic acid) and 2, 4, 5-T (2, 4, 5-trichlorophenoxy

acetic acid). It is ironic that the Dioxin that makes Agent Orange so deadly

isn't even an intended part of the plant killer. Dioxin is a man made by-product

of the manufacturing process for making Phenoxy herbicides like Agent Orange.

Actually, when 2, 4, 5-T is manufactured a " synthetic contaminant " TCDD (2, 3,

7, 8-tetrachlorodibenzo-para-dioxin) is an unwanted by-product that cannot be

removed.

http://www.vvvc.org/vvvc/agntor.htm

Bruce

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That's not the same as inhaling it. Anything can cause a reaction under the right circumstances. The tanic acid in the tea may have dispelled some of the bad stuff and he may have known that. Plus, I don't trust anyone who is a big wig at Monsanto. How do you know it was full strengh Round Up in the bottle and/or Roundup at all? Sorry to be so skeptical. I believe you trust this person and I'm not trying to start a fight. But, I hope you understand where I'm coming from as well. I was devistated to watch my cow come to me for help and I could do nothing but watch her die within minutes of being sprayed. She was my first cow and I truly loved her. I would go out and lay up against her and she would lick me. I never had to put a rope or tie her to milk her. She would just come to the corral and wait for me when she saw me coming from the house with the buckets. We were very bonded. I feel I let her down when I couldn't help her to live.

Like I said, I use it because its one of those necessary evils when farming. But, I never use it around the cattle.

I can honestly tell you the state vet that took the samples and did the necropsy corrupted the samples purposely for some reason.

K.C.

Re: Agent Orange> > > Bill wrote about Roundup:> > >Glyphosate breaks down into naturally> > occuring substances.> > > > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!> Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of> information!> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/> > > > >

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KC,

I can sympathize with you. I lost my first heifer

calf, plus the steer that was her running buddy, last

year to a drunk driver who hit her when she came into

heat and managed to get out of my very good fences. I

was standing in the road with a flash light, trying to

get them back in and had my truck out with the

flashers on. This fool would not even slow down. He

did not get a ticket and later tried to sue me for

damage to his already junk truck.

I do know this man very well. He is not a big wig with

Monsanto. We were at a general dealer meeting and he

invited us to bring in samples of his products. He

also allowed us to elect which jug to drink from. I

believe that he did drink RoundUp. It is possible that

the tea may have nuteralized some aspect of it. There

a great deal of variablity of toxcity of chemicals.

For instance Mocap is not very toxic to drink, (I

wouldn't) but is very dermally toxic. I avoid all of

them if I can. I know the lead diagnostic vet in

Kentucky personally and the #2 or #3 in NC, VA, SC and

dozens of other vets. All that I know are persons of

high integrity and unimpeachable character. They must

be to have the jobs they have. On the other hand it is

against the law in NC for a person who does not own a

commodity animal to have it tested for disease or

pathogens. This is because some turkey growers decided

to prove that performance was low because the company

had brought them sick birds. The intergrator did not

like that.

Bill Dunlap

--- Tinybabe wrote:

> That's not the same as inhaling it. Anything can

> cause a reaction under the right circumstances. The

> tanic acid in the tea may have dispelled some of the

> bad stuff and he may have known that. Plus, I don't

> trust anyone who is a big wig at Monsanto. How do

> you know it was full strengh Round Up in the bottle

> and/or Roundup at all? Sorry to be so skeptical. I

> believe you trust this person and I'm not trying to

> start a fight. But, I hope you understand where I'm

> coming from as well. I was devistated to watch my

> cow come to me for help and I could do nothing but

> watch her die within minutes of being sprayed. She

> was my first cow and I truly loved her. I would go

> out and lay up against her and she would lick me. I

> never had to put a rope or tie her to milk her. She

> would just come to the corral and wait for me when

> she saw me coming from the house with the buckets.

> We were very bonded. I feel I let her down when I

> couldn't help her to live.

>

> Like I said, I use it because its one of those

> necessary evils when farming. But, I never use it

> around the cattle.

>

> I can honestly tell you the state vet that took the

> samples and did the necropsy corrupted the samples

> purposely for some reason.

>

> K.C.

> Re: Agent Orange

> >

> >

> > Bill wrote about Roundup:

> >

> > >Glyphosate breaks down into naturally

> > > occuring substances.

> >

> >

> >

> > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN

> REPLYING!

> > Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of

> > information!

> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: " B Dunlap "

>Glyphosate does indeed break down in

> to relatively benign substances.

That would be the official opinion provided by Monsanto and supported by the

science they " bought and paid for " , could I assume? Not everyone shares that

opinion. : -)

http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/Profiles/glyphosate.htm

" Glyphosate is toxic to mammals: Most toxicity tests cited by industry and the

EPA investigate toxicity through oral exposure routes. The toxicity of

glyphosate and the common surfactant POEA is much greater through inhalation

routes of exposure, which is a likely exposure scenario for humans... "

" Experimentally induced inhalation of Roundup by rats produced 100% mortality in

24 hours. Humans ingesting as little as 100 ml of Roundup have died ( suicide

attempts using Roundup have a 10-20% success rate.) "

http://www.beyondpesticides.org/infoservices/pesticidefactsheets/toxic/glyphosat\

e.htm

" Despite widespread use of the weed killer glyphosate, and the prevalent myth

that it is harmless, this pesticide is tied to acute human health effects and

linked to non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. It is found in two Monsanto products,

available over the counter, RoundupTM and RodeoTM, making glyphosate one of the

most widely used and well-known herbicides on the market. If there is one

pesticide that represents the " fast-food, " quick-fix generation, glyphosate

would likely be it - the McPesticide of toxic chemicals. "

http://www.safe2use.com/poisons-pesticides/pesticides/organo/glyphosate.htm

" Glyphosate is technically extremely difficult to measure in environmental

samples. Only a few laboratories have the sophisticated equipment and techniques

necessary. This means that data is often lacking on residue levels in food and

the environment and existing data may not be reliable. "

http://www.ems.org/cocaine/glyphosate_effects.html

" Analyses of glyphosate residues are complicated and costly, so are not done

routinely by the government in the United States. Yet there are research studies

that show that glyphosate may be taken up by plants and moved to those parts

used for food. For example, glyphosate has been found in strawberries,

blueberries, raspberries, lettuce, carrots and barley after application "

Also:

http://www.guarding-our-earth.com/aggrand/roundup.htm

http://www.holisticmed.com/ge/roundup.html

http://www.rainforestinfo.org.au/good_wood/tox_herb.htm

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994051

http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Roundup-Glyphosate-Factsheet-.htm

regards, Bruce

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Drinking any chemical is stupid in my opinion. There was a guy from Ortho that drank Malathion when people were up in arms about the spraying in L.A. for the fruit fly. He died 10 years later from cancer.

Like I said, I understand your trust with these people, but no one will ever convince me that it isn't dangerous, as the other post points out.

But, this guy broke federal law because he wasn't supposed to use it in the wind, and he was spaying the irrigation ditch bank, which they aren't supposed to do.

The University of Idaho has a lab in No. ID and they test for everything (except radiation) of food animals. Found out later, the state vet and the farmer go to the same church and the state vet grew up here so they are good ole boy buddies. In this state, that's all that matters.

I realize most states vets are on the up and up. Not in Idaho. Got to win the lottery and get the heck out of here (LOL).

K.C.

Re: Agent Orange> > > > > > Bill wrote about Roundup:> > > > >Glyphosate breaks down into naturally> > > occuring substances.> > > > > > > > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN> REPLYING!> > Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of> > information!> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/> > > > > > > > > >

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Bruce Stordock wrote:

----- Original Message ----- From: "B Dunlap">Glyphosate does indeed break down in> to relatively benign substances.That would be the official opinion provided by Monsanto and supported by thescience they "bought and paid for", could I assume? Not everyone shares thatopinion. : -)http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/Profiles/glyphosate.htm"Glyphosate is toxic to mammals: Most toxicity tests cited by industry and theEPA investigate toxicity through oral exposure routes. The toxicity ofglyphosate and the common surfactant POEA is much greater through inhalationroutes of exposure, which is a likely exposure scenario for humans...""Experimentally induced inhalation of Roundup by rats produced 100% mortality in24 hours. Humans ingesting as little as 100 ml of Roundup have died ( suicideattempts using Roundup have a 10-20% success

rate.)"http://www.beyondpesticides.org/infoservices/pesticidefactsheets/toxic/glyphosate.htm"Despite widespread use of the weed killer glyphosate, and the prevalent myththat it is harmless, this pesticide is tied to acute human health effects andlinked to non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. It is found in two Monsanto products,available over the counter, RoundupTM and RodeoTM, making glyphosate one of themost widely used and well-known herbicides on the market. If there is onepesticide that represents the "fast-food," quick-fix generation, glyphosatewould likely be it - the McPesticide of toxic chemicals."http://www.safe2use.com/poisons-pesticides/pesticides/organo/glyphosate.htm"Glyphosate is technically extremely difficult to measure in

environmentalsamples. Only a few laboratories have the sophisticated equipment and techniquesnecessary. This means that data is often lacking on residue levels in food andthe environment and existing data may not be reliable."http://www.ems.org/cocaine/glyphosate_effects.html"Analyses of glyphosate residues are complicated and costly, so are not doneroutinely by the government in the United States. Yet there are research studiesthat show that glyphosate may be taken up by plants and moved to those partsused for food. For example, glyphosate has been found in strawberries,blueberries, raspberries, lettuce, carrots and barley after application"Also:http://www.guarding-our-earth.com/aggrand/roundup.htmhttp://www.holisticmed.com/ge/roundup.htmlhttp://www.rainforestinfo.org.au/good_wood/tox_herb.htmhttp://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994051http://www.mindfully.org/Pesticide/Roundup-Glyphosate-Factsheet-.htmregards, Bruce

Thank you so much for having the heads-up and the common sense to post a most valuable message!! Post of the day!!

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Steve (Thank you...finally someone who really cares about this...how brainwashed have we become?...with some of these posts I've read...drinking roundup?!?!?!?!....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....please stop....HAHAHAHA.....I'd 'reckon pretty washed....I CAN'T BELIEVE some of this....where are these people from????)

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