Re: Ohio-please help...legalities..

[Guest guest]

Roseanna,

I would check with the Westin Price Foundation (on the web).

If your inspector claims that goat/cow shares are illegal, ask him for the

specific laws that declare them illegal. If they are not spelled out in

the law as illegal, then they are legal. You should ask him if it is legal

to drink milk from your own goats. Then when he says, " well...yes " . Then

ask him if livestock owning partnerships are legal in Ohio (can you and

others each put up cash to buy livestock and you are partners in the

ownership). Of course, he will either say that is out of his area or yes,

partnerships are legal. Then ask him if it is legal for you to board and

care for someone else's animals on your farm and charge them a

boarding/feeding/care fee. When he answers yes to the third question, he

has agreed that goat/cow shares are legal.

In the first place I would have answered his initial question with either

" eat them " or " sell them " , or some other generic answer. It is none of his

business what you do with your livestock, his only area is the sanitation

of milk products being sold (and the animals the milkcomes from, IF you are

selling milk). Goat/cow shares do not sell milk.

BTW, I am in PA, where raw milk sales are legal from licensed dairies.

Mike Pasterik

Providence Pastures Farm

Farm Fresh Natural Foods

www.providencepastures.com

[Guest guest]

All's I know is the salmonella outbreak s/he is referring to probably has to do with Young's Dairy in Springfield. It is verified that it was NOT the raw milk on the farm there that caused the salmonella but some sort of chicken sold there. Somehow I suspected that once we were distanced from that story, the milk would always be blamed for it.

The Yoders in Ohio

[Guest guest]

First of all, thanks for your help!

> I would check with the Westin Price Foundation (on the

web).

>

~I did that, it didn't really say anything about the law just that

some people were attempting to put together some cow shares.

> If your inspector claims that goat/cow shares are illegal, ask him

for the

> specific laws that declare them illegal. If they are not spelled

out in ...

~Aparently what he said was that only family members can drink the

raw milk from animals on a property. He will be looking into it and

since we were put on reinspect in 30 days (we got a high score, he

was mad and he doesn't like that we are a stanchion barn with bucket

milkers) we may hear more about it. I don't think he will find

anything but I want to be safe. Our Grade A Dairy liscence could be

on the line.

>

> In the first place I would have answered his initial question with

either

> " eat them " or " sell them " , or some other generic answer. It is

none of his

> business what you do with your livestock, his only area is the

sanitation

> of milk products being sold (and the animals the milkcomes from, IF

you are

> selling milk). Goat/cow shares do not sell milk.

~I wasn't there and so I am not sure how it all came up. I'm sure he

will be able to find out and then we would know for sure. We actually

do sell them for the most part..that and they drain money from the

farm. Even if we don't go into the goat share, which I hope we do, we

will be milking at least three of them in the barn with the milkers

because we need to keep them in milk for the Fair next year. If the

goat share doesn't work out the kitties will be getting both raw

Jersey milk and raw goat's milk.

>

> BTW, I am in PA, where raw milk sales are legal from licensed

dairies.

~Lucky you!

>

> Mike Pasterik

> Providence Pastures Farm

> Farm Fresh Natural Foods

> www.providencepastures.com

Roseanna Rockwell

Journey's End Jerseys

www.freewebs.com/journeysendjerseys

[Guest guest]

> All's I know is the salmonella outbreak s/he is referring to

probably has to do with Young's Dairy in Springfield. It is verified

that it was NOT the raw milk on the farm there that caused the

salmonella but some sort of chicken sold there. Somehow I suspected

that once we were distanced from that story, the milk would always be

blamed for it.

> The Yoders in Ohio

~Well since Young's caved to the pressure it made it look like they

were admitting guilt through the milk. It's a shame.

Roseanna Rockwell

Journey's End Jerseys

www.freewebs.com/journeysendjerseys

[Guest guest]

"

How difficult would it be for you, what in particular is invovled,

to go the distance and get Grade A licensing for the raw goat milk,

too? "

Our goats will be milked with the same milkers we use on our cows,

but after the cows are done and the milker has been rinsed. Since our

milking equipment must be washed and sanitized after every milking

the fact that it was used on goats will not matter. Our equipment is

always clean and the inspector does not worry himself over it.

If we do a goat share the milk will be treated identically to how

our cow's milk ios treated, except after it is strained it will go in

jars and be kept in a refrigerator as opposed to going into a tank.

It is illegal to ship cow and goat milk together. Though I found out

there are some farmers who put goat's milk in their tank on a regular

basis and simply don't have the goats around on test day. Nubians are

so close to Jerseys in the components area that it doesn't get

noticed.

So in order to go Grade A with goats we would need a seperate tank

for cooling and somewhere to ship it. I visited a goat dairy this

past weekend and she ships Grade B all the way to Wiscosin. There are

maybe 7 goat dairies in the entire state of Ohio.

Also, even if we had a Grade A liscence we still could not sell the

raw milk directly to the consumer because the sell of raw milk is

illegal in Ohio.

A goat share is the way to go but if it puts our liscence in

jeopardy it isn't worth it.

Roseanna