Re: OT: Pet food- commercial vs raw

October 21, 2004

Raw for pets is good, as Our vet has introduced us to raw meat, eggs, cheese

veggies for the consumption of the dogs and they love it.....still no raw

ground beef as this will be contaminated, but other raw meat should and has

been fine.

Greetings and God Bless

MAryann

OT: Pet food- commercial vs raw

I've heard of Wysong, but decided not to go that route since kibbled food,

no matter how high the quality, is still cooked and extruded food. Instead

I now feed my aging dog (going on 13) a raw diet only: meat with bones,

eggs, milk, and lately kefir with grains.

I switched him to a raw diet nearly three months ago and even though he

still has cancer and fatty tumors the difference in his health and attitude

has been just amazing. He has much more energy, runs eagerly all the time

when outside, acts happy all day long now. And there's spark in his eyes...

he even leaps in the air with excitement the way he hasn't for the last five

years. It's like he's some 7-8 years younger.

I now truly believe that I was poisoning him with kibble, even though I

always bought the " best " , Science Diet or Iams. I'm convinced that kibble

gave him cancer, and hope that maybe kefir and flax oil that I've started

giving him will help him even more.

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RE PET food- commercial vs raw

Well, , I must say that that is one of the most disgusting things I've

ever read. Really. I can't decide if I should say thank you or go throw

up!

I have been buying my dog's food (when I do buy it " commercially " ) from the

company named Wysong. Whole foods carries it and it can be bought at their

site. You can check them out online. My dog and both cats hate store

bought food. While I haven't figured out what the cats will eat happily

(except horny lizards) the dog seems to love and flourish on the Wysong

food. I buy Anergen and Synorgen varieites and mix them.

I have also been adding raw foods, raw milk, kefir and table scrapple for

the doggie. I will be doing more research soon into the food making

practices at Wysong.

Oh, what the heck, Thanks ! )

Wren <><

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October 21, 2004

Raw for pets is good, as Our vet has introduced us to raw meat, eggs, cheese

veggies for the consumption of the dogs and they love it.....still no raw

ground beef as this will be contaminated, but other raw meat should and has

been fine.

Greetings and God Bless

MAryann

OT: Pet food- commercial vs raw

I've heard of Wysong, but decided not to go that route since kibbled food,

no matter how high the quality, is still cooked and extruded food. Instead

I now feed my aging dog (going on 13) a raw diet only: meat with bones,

eggs, milk, and lately kefir with grains.

I switched him to a raw diet nearly three months ago and even though he

still has cancer and fatty tumors the difference in his health and attitude

has been just amazing. He has much more energy, runs eagerly all the time

when outside, acts happy all day long now. And there's spark in his eyes...

he even leaps in the air with excitement the way he hasn't for the last five

years. It's like he's some 7-8 years younger.

I now truly believe that I was poisoning him with kibble, even though I

always bought the " best " , Science Diet or Iams. I'm convinced that kibble

gave him cancer, and hope that maybe kefir and flax oil that I've started

giving him will help him even more.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

RE PET food- commercial vs raw

Well, , I must say that that is one of the most disgusting things I've

ever read. Really. I can't decide if I should say thank you or go throw

up!

I have been buying my dog's food (when I do buy it " commercially " ) from the

company named Wysong. Whole foods carries it and it can be bought at their

site. You can check them out online. My dog and both cats hate store

bought food. While I haven't figured out what the cats will eat happily

(except horny lizards) the dog seems to love and flourish on the Wysong

food. I buy Anergen and Synorgen varieites and mix them.

I have also been adding raw foods, raw milk, kefir and table scrapple for

the doggie. I will be doing more research soon into the food making

practices at Wysong.

Oh, what the heck, Thanks ! )

Wren <><

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October 21, 2004

My male cat. Puck, will eat all the raw meat I give him(except for hamburger), but my female won't touch it. I have wished that she would, and I could just quit giving them the dry stuff. She(Lady Bridgit)would rather starve, I have seen her do it. I am hoping that they will both like raw milk though, this would be a good thing, and maybe be a good transitioning food. Neither one of them will eat raw eggs, but maybe they will farm fresh ones...will have to see.

Blessings,

-AngelKirkland Washington

Raw for pets is good, as Our vet has introduced us to raw meat, eggs, cheeseveggies for the consumption of the dogs and they love it.....still no rawground beef as this will be contaminated, but other raw meat should and hasbeen fine. Greetings and God BlessMAryann

October 21, 2004

My male cat. Puck, will eat all the raw meat I give him(except for hamburger), but my female won't touch it. I have wished that she would, and I could just quit giving them the dry stuff. She(Lady Bridgit)would rather starve, I have seen her do it. I am hoping that they will both like raw milk though, this would be a good thing, and maybe be a good transitioning food. Neither one of them will eat raw eggs, but maybe they will farm fresh ones...will have to see.

Blessings,

-AngelKirkland Washington

Raw for pets is good, as Our vet has introduced us to raw meat, eggs, cheeseveggies for the consumption of the dogs and they love it.....still no rawground beef as this will be contaminated, but other raw meat should and hasbeen fine. Greetings and God BlessMAryann

October 21, 2004

I just found some interesting source for raw food for our pup. A dog trainer

sells organic,

free range chicken parts like necks and feet for under $1 /lb. She even gets

organic,

whole (bones, guts and all), ground male dairy calves that are extra from a mink

farmer.

I found a nearby meat market that will sell chick parts for half the price,

but they aren't

organic. Non-organic raw chicken parts is probably healthier than any kibble.

Lynn

October 21, 2004

I just found some interesting source for raw food for our pup. A dog trainer

sells organic,

free range chicken parts like necks and feet for under $1 /lb. She even gets

organic,

whole (bones, guts and all), ground male dairy calves that are extra from a mink

farmer.

I found a nearby meat market that will sell chick parts for half the price,

but they aren't

organic. Non-organic raw chicken parts is probably healthier than any kibble.

Lynn

October 21, 2004

I do use mostly dry puppy food but we give her raw beef bones and

chicken. She LOVES raw chicken more than anything else she gets it.

October 21, 2004

Angel, I tried a new one for the cats today... chicken livers... oh my

God...FEEDING FRENZY...we'll be getting more along that line. Even the ones

that only wanted kibble went nuts!

>

>My male cat. Puck, will eat all the raw meat I give him(except for

>hamburger), but my female won't touch it. I have wished that she would, and

>I could just quit giving them the dry stuff. She(Lady Bridgit)would rather

>starve, I have seen her do it. I am hoping that they will both like raw

>milk though, this would be a good thing, and maybe be a good transitioning

>food. Neither one of them will eat raw eggs, but maybe they will farm fresh

>ones...will have to see.

>Blessings,

>-Angel

>Kirkland Washington

>

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October 21, 2004

, keep feeding that raw... I've heard that even cancer can be " cured "

by using a raw diet... and I believe it.

>

>Reply-To: RawDairy

>To: <RawDairy >

>Subject: OT: Pet food- commercial vs raw

>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:07:53 -0400

>

>I've heard of Wysong, but decided not to go that route since kibbled food,

>no matter how high the quality, is still cooked and extruded food. Instead

>I now feed my aging dog (going on 13) a raw diet only: meat with bones,

>eggs, milk, and lately kefir with grains.

>

>I switched him to a raw diet nearly three months ago and even though he

>still has cancer and fatty tumors the difference in his health and attitude

>has been just amazing. He has much more energy, runs eagerly all the time

>when outside, acts happy all day long now. And there's spark in his

>eyes...

>he even leaps in the air with excitement the way he hasn't for the last

>five

>years. It's like he's some 7-8 years younger.

>

>I now truly believe that I was poisoning him with kibble, even though I

>always bought the " best " , Science Diet or Iams. I'm convinced that kibble

>gave him cancer, and hope that maybe kefir and flax oil that I've started

>giving him will help him even more.

>

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October 21, 2004

How blessed you are, neither of mine will touch liver of any kind. I think it is rather funny since I will eat it, and I like just about any raw meat. Neither one of mine will even eat raw seafood. ...my favorite. I am not so sure about eating it anymore though from some recent science articles I have read, fish in general is becoming very toxic.

Blessings,

-AngelKirkland Washington

Angel, I tried a new one for the cats today... chicken livers... oh my God...FEEDING FRENZY...we'll be getting more along that line. Even the ones that only wanted kibble went nuts!>>>My male cat. Puck, will eat all the raw meat I give him(except for >hamburger), but my female won't touch it. I have wished that she would, and >I could just quit giving them the dry stuff. She(Lady Bridgit)would rather >starve, I have seen her do it. I am hoping that they will both like raw >milk though, this would be a good thing, and maybe be a good transitioning >food. Neither one of them will eat raw eggs, but maybe they will farm fresh >ones...will have to see.>Blessings,>-Angel>Kirkland Washington>_________________________________________________________________Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/

October 22, 2004

Hi ann,

Not sure why the ground beef would be contaminated? I feed a wide variety of raw meat/bones to my dog including beef. I use beef from my butcher which is from New Zealand and also some premixed raw diets from Bravo and Halshans.

I have been feeding this way since 1987.

If you are eating healthy food, why not give your animal friends the species appropriate raw diet for them?

Feeding kibble is like feeding your children soy and pasteurized milk!

Nonie

So. Ca.

Raw for pets is good, as Our vet has introduced us to raw meat, eggs, cheeseveggies for the consumption of the dogs and they love it.....still no rawground beef as this will be contaminated, but other raw meat should and hasbeen fine. Greetings and God BlessMAryann

October 22, 2004

Angel,

I have recently read that if you are consuming that fish raw, then the

mercury content is actually helpful as it helps to draw other toxic metals

out of your system... (primaldiet.com)

I have one cat (the oldest on - only 2.5 years old) that refuses to eat

anything I have been putting out for them except the kibble...breaks my

heart. But, he is also the one that is always outside, and is the scurge of

the neighborhood! Meaning that, in times of excess, he is always bringing us

home things, mice, rabbits, birds, moles, whatever is out there...I'm sure

he eats plenty of raw (the natural way). So this morning, as it broke my

heart to put a little kibble in the bowl for him, I stuck upon an idea... I

put out mashed potatoes for him also... and he went for it.... so I guess he

needs a little grain, and he depends on us to get it for him. So I'll do

potatoes and rice for him, and let him go out to catch his own meat!

>How blessed you are, neither of mine will touch liver of any kind. I think

>it is rather funny since I will eat it, and I like just about any raw meat.

>Neither one of mine will even eat raw seafood. ...my favorite. I am not so

>sure about eating it anymore though from some recent science articles I

>have read, fish in general is becoming very toxic.

>Blessings,

>-Angel

>Kirkland Washington

>

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October 22, 2004

> > Angel,

> I have recently read that if you are consuming that fish raw, then the

> mercury content is actually helpful as it helps to draw other toxic metals

> out of your system... (primaldiet.com)

Wow, I would really question the validity of this, as mercury is VERY toxic.

It was not just mercury though I was reading about. Basically ocean fish

have begun to eat what is called *junk food* for fish. Fish that are not

normally bottom feeders have begun in mass amounts to eat the mussels at the

bottom of the ocean floor. Scientist have found not only large quantities of

mussels in the fish, but whole shells as well. These are filled with large

quantities of heavy metals and toxins, so much so, that birds are dying off

that are eating the fish. Scientists are extremely concerned about the

effects on humans. They are not in comprehension as to why the fish have

reverted to these odd feeding habits, and it is all very strange. Fresh

water fish these days are often farm bred, and are often GMO, fed grains,

and the salmon is actually dyed pink. I am beginning to get to the point I

think I will just skip it altogether. I myself try not to feed the cats

what I myself do not eat, and potatoes and grains are very high in lectins.

One must do what one must do though, and I cringe to even give them kibble,

all of which contains grains.

http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

Blessings,

-Angel

Kirkland Washington

October 22, 2004

My male cat. Puck, will eat all the raw meat I give him(except for

hamburger), but my female won't touch it. I have wished that she would, and

I could just quit giving them the dry stuff. She(Lady Bridgit)would rather

starve, I have seen her do it.

Lady Brirg just needs to be finesed abit.

I've heard some cats may take months to transition...

try mixing a variety of bite-sized meats (muscle, liver, heart (beef &

poultry), sardines, mackerel, catfish,...) in her preferred food...let her

become accustomed to the smell & associate it with a full belly.

lucky you, even if she eats around it initially your male

will help with clean-up.

once she's better accepted the once strange additions

begin to alter the ratios increasing the raw, decreasing the other.

eventually you might offer the raw alone 1st, if she still refuses then

limit her to only small portions of the commercial food...keep her

hungry...but do see that she doesn't go more than a day or so with no

consumption due to risk of fatty liver disease. if feeding

small portions concerns you google " calorie restricted diet " . imo, it's

worth the effort to get her off the kitty crack.

been there done that,

tom

October 22, 2004

Tom,

Thanks for the advise. I did try that a couple years ago, and she did starve herself. I think I will try it again though, as it has really been disturbing me a lot. I was raised with the typical Meow Mix mentality, and I left my childhood cat with my parents. They put her to sleep at age 19 because she could no longer control her bladder. I soon realized it was due to the food, after a few of my cats developed other problems. One of my cats died from feline leukemia, which some are now believing is a form of mad cow disease, as there are dead cats and dogs in conventional food. The symptoms of feline leukemia are identical to mad cow disease. I later learned this and switched to natural foods. I love my kitties so much, I shudder to think I am feeding them grains at all...I mean they are cats! I have read so many papers on how they are discovering that what goes into the gut actually programs the DNA, making us into what we are. I think that grains are mutating us in some very disturbing ways, and I do not want to do this to my little ones! I wish I could control what my family eats as easily as the cats...but they are all transfixed by grains and dead food. Makes me very sad. I am going to start replacing the kibble this week...thanks for the incentive!

Blessings,

-AngelKirkland WashingtonI've heard some cats may take months to transition...try mixing a variety of bite-sized meats (muscle, liver, heart (beef & poultry), sardines, mackerel, catfish,...) in her preferred food...let herbecome accustomed to the smell & associate it with a full belly.lucky you, even if she eats around it initially your male

October 22, 2004

Angel,

Did you hear about Aajanous' experiment where he ingested raw,

mercury-laden fish with a group of animals, while the control

group--another set of animals--consumed the same fish cooked. His

group all secreted the mercury in their urine, whereas the control

group who ate the fish raw did not excrete the mercury at all. It was

absorbed into their tissues. Interesting...

D.

On Oct 22, 2004, at 2:42 PM, RawDairy wrote:

> Message: 8

> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:47:55 -0500

>

> Subject: Re: OT: Pet food- commercial vs raw

>

> Angel,

> I have recently read that if you are consuming that fish raw, then the

> mercury content is actually helpful as it helps to draw other toxic

> metals

> out of your system... (primaldiet.com)

October 22, 2004

Angel,

Did you hear about Aajanous' experiment where he ingested raw,

mercury-laden fish with a group of animals, while the control

group--another set of animals--consumed the same fish cooked. His

group all secreted the mercury in their urine, whereas the control

group who ate the fish raw did not excrete the mercury at all. It was

absorbed into their tissues. Interesting...

D.

On Oct 22, 2004, at 2:42 PM, RawDairy wrote:

> Message: 8

> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:47:55 -0500

>

> Subject: Re: OT: Pet food- commercial vs raw

>

> Angel,

> I have recently read that if you are consuming that fish raw, then the

> mercury content is actually helpful as it helps to draw other toxic

> metals

> out of your system... (primaldiet.com)

October 22, 2004

Angel, by your family, I assume that you have little ones that are not

furry! What ages are they (being nosey...)? Why CAN'T you control what your

family eats? I know that it has not been easy on my family, but we are doing

it anyways. Of course, I thank God ever day that I have a supportive

husband, and it helps that my oldest has " brain allergies " (how common is

that term?!) to all grains. We have over the last year completed the process

of taking out all suger and grains, and now all cooked meat, and replacing

it with fruits and vegetables, and raw coconut cream for raw

fat...eventually I'll get the raw dairy, and be able to afford the meat that

will be healthful(organic, free range).

I truely don't want to sound offensive... I just read this and it does, but

I don't know any other way to say it. I just had someone do that to me the

other day beacuse I don't drive... side effect of attatchment parenting!

I just meant to give you something to think about...

>>I think that grains are mutating us in some very disturbing ways, and I do

>>not want to do this to my little ones! I wish I could control what my

>>family eats as easily as the cats...but they are all transfixed by grains

>>and dead food. Makes me very sad. I am going to start replacing the kibble

>>this week...thanks for the incentive!

>Blessings,

>-Angel

>Kirkland Washington

>

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