Re: Rebounders

[Guest guest]

Hi . Gail, a list member, said she bought a $20 one and her knees really

hurt after using it. She got a Needak and it was totally different. I had a

cheap one years ago and had to give it away as it caused back pain. So you

have to get the ones that have special springs. Needak is supposed to be the

best you can get. So that is what I got. I bought ten so that I could get them

wholesale and will sell the extras so that I can pay for mine, otherwise I could

not afford it. Had to borrow the $ to do the transaction. Reg retail is $249

Contact me off list and I will share a discount price with you. I am more

excited about this than I have been about anything in a long time. You know how

sometimes you just come upon something that you know in your heart is an answer

for you? That is how this is for me. I am loving what I am learning. There is

so much information and it is so all over the place I am seriously considering

compiling a book on the subject, gleaned from all the various sources, as I know

other people are not going to be as eager to read everything they can get their

hands on, as I am. It would be nice to have a concise compilation.

For instance I learned that astronauts lose around 15% bone mass in just a few

weeks in space, due to lack of gravity. Didn't know that. And I learned that

they used rebounders in space to prevent this. I saw it on TV recently and was

amazed. The had a belt around the waist and bungie kinda cords attached to the

belt and the rebounder, so that it made artificial gravity for them and they

could rebound.

It is the only " exercise " that works every single cell in the body, in every

organ, and all without stress to the joints. It has all kinds of body toning

and bone strengthening benefits, which are all side benefits in my mind. My

main interest is in the moving of lymph and removal of trapped blood proteins

for the purpose of removing pain and healing disease. This part fasicnates me.

I have a friend with chronic hip pain. Mag pulser works a little, but

apparently using a lymphasizer turns on your cells so they become their own

little electrical generators and stop pain and heal. We will see. If it works

for him I will let ya'll know.

Donna

Rebounders

So is any old little trampoline good enough to get started, like you might

find at a yard sale?

When buying new what's the best one?

What's the best for the lowest price?

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[Guest guest]

Don't buy a cheapo! I have a cellerciser from www.cellercise.com or get a

needak. I tried a different the other day and it is like jumping on concrete

compared to the cellerciser. The cellerciser claims to have improvements over

the needak but haven't compared. Dave from cellercise is " Mr. Rebounder " and

was with Needak. If you decide to buy from them, please tell them I referred as

they will give a small donation to IRI. ($40 - I think!)

Best wishes and much love, Ken

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Rebounders

So is any old little trampoline good enough to get started, like you might

find at a yard sale?

When buying new what's the best one?

What's the best for the lowest price?

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[Guest guest]

i bought a rebounder a while ago. it is very deceptive exercise. after only

about a month my stomach started to get ripped like i had been doing

thousands of sit ups

question about lymph cleansing

if your liver is clogged, won't this make things worse by stirring up stuff

and having it get trapped?

[Guest guest]

She got a Needak and it was totally different.

I¹ve had a Needak rebounder for many years; bought it at a health expo from

Dave, the Rebounder Guy, who now markets Cellercize. What a great form of

exercise! I do it on days I don¹t go to yoga. Can¹t beat it for lymph

pumping and body toning. Glad to see it show up here. The advice is good;

don¹t buy a cheap one. It won¹t work, last, or help. Buy the quality, and

it¹ll do you a world of good.

Jack

[Guest guest]

I bought one for less than thirty dollars, and it works fine. You bounce

up, you come down. It has springs, center mesh, and sturdy frame.

Spending more, (or being discouraged from getting one) because of cost,

would be a waste.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/18/2003 7:29:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, iri2@...

writes:

>

> Please report back in a couple or three weeks as to how your joints are

> holding up. I truly hope you are right but the one I tried was hell on the

legs.

> Be careful if you start to feel any pain.

> Best wishes and much love, Ken

I found that if you bounce on your heels not the balls of your feet and stay

near the rim not the center there is no pain in knees or back.

JJ

[Guest guest]

Please report back in a couple or three weeks as to how your joints are holding

up. I truly hope you are right but the one I tried was hell on the legs. Be

careful if you start to feel any pain.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

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Re: Rebounders

I bought one for less than thirty dollars, and it works fine. You bounce

up, you come down. It has springs, center mesh, and sturdy frame.

Spending more, (or being discouraged from getting one) because of cost,

would be a waste.

[Guest guest]

Hi Art. You are obviously sturdier than me. I did the same thing. Got one for

$20 from Costco and used it about two times and had such severe lower back pain

that I couldn't use it. I was sad.

Then I heard about NEEDAk and having used it, Gail is right, there is just no

difference. NEEDAk makes back pain go away. This is a better option for me.

Smile.

And you are right about it being deceptive. I have only done really minor one

minute super soft bouncing and my stomach muscles feel like I have done sit ups,

tho I had no sensation of tightening my stomach while bouncing. So you do alot

more on it than you realize you are doing.

Later

Donna

Re: Rebounders

I bought one for less than thirty dollars, and it works fine. You bounce

up, you come down. It has springs, center mesh, and sturdy frame.

Spending more, (or being discouraged from getting one) because of cost,

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[Guest guest]

>> So is any old little trampoline good enough to get started, like you might

>> find at a yard sale?

>> When buying new what's the best one?

>> What's the best for the lowest price?

> Don't buy a cheapo! I have a cellerciser from

> www.cellercise.com or get a needak. I tried a different the

> other day and it is like jumping on concrete compared to the

> cellerciser. The cellerciser claims to have improvements over

> the needak but haven't compared. Dave from cellercise is " Mr.

> Rebounder " and was with Needak.

I must encourage you to do as Ken has suggested.

I started rebounding about 7 years ago, and started off with a

cheapo - probably used it for about 3 weeks, then I went to one

of the health expos here in atlanta, and Dave Hall (Mr.

Rebounder) was there demonstrating the cellerciser. I was

intrigued, but thought the claims that they were 'so much better'

than the cheapos was a bunch of hooie, and told Dave as much. He

just smiled, and challenged me to simply try it, so I did.

Well, about 15 minutes later, I was shelling out the $400+ bucks

for one. The difference is like night and day. I didn't even

realize how much the cheapo was hurting my knees and ankles until

I started using the cellerciser.

Also, rebound exercise is, imho, the absolute best form of

exercise there is, bar none, if done properly.

I haven't tried the Needak, but have heard they are very

comparable to the cellerciser, so either one should be fine.

[Guest guest]

> I bought one for less than thirty dollars, and it works fine.

> You bounce up, you come down. It has springs, center mesh, and

> sturdy frame. Spending more, (or being discouraged from

> getting one) because of cost, would be a waste.

This was exactly my attitude, before I tried it.

Very simply, you are wrong. The cheapos WILL eventually cause

damage to your knees and ankles - in some cases, irreversible damage.

The main difference is in the mat and springs - if the mat

stretches, your feet go weird when you land, which stresses your

knees and ankles. Cheap springs will also cause MUCH more

jarring of the joints when you land.

So, yes, there is a HUGE difference.

[Guest guest]

I have one from Total Sports America, made in china, naturally.

The mesh is good quality. Firm

The springs are firm.

But, the bounce is comfortable.

Injuries, of lack of injury, is a matter of conditioning.

When I began, I was only " up " for a few minutes; and then improved time

gradually, w/out injury.

Maybe there is something to the expensive ones, but my feeling is that

a person should let cost stop them.

My $30 rebounder gets the job done.

[Guest guest]

,

Absolutely not!!! In simple jogging, which is just a trot, one comes

down on their ankles, knees and lower back with 3 times their

bodyweight. Doing this on cheap mini trampoline is osteoarthritis in

progress. A needak is designed for low-impact, with graduated springs to

cushion the rebound. It is worth so much more than the price, and

rebounding is the best, most convenient exercise I have ever found. And,

it takes the least time. I understand a cellarciser is as good. If they

have graduated springs, then either will do.

jim

Eck wrote:

>So is any old little trampoline good enough to get started, like you might

>find at a yard sale?

>When buying new what's the best one?

>What's the best for the lowest price?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

If the cellarciser is $400, then the Needak is a lot cheaper.

jim

No Free Lunch wrote:

>Well, about 15 minutes later, I was shelling out the $400+ bucks

>for one. The difference is like night and day. I didn't even

>realize how much the cheapo was hurting my knees and ankles until

>I started using the cellerciser.

>

>Also, rebound exercise is, imho, the absolute best form of

>exercise there is, bar none, if done properly.

>

>I haven't tried the Needak, but have heard they are very

>comparable to the cellerciser, so either one should be fine.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am simply amazed at this statement and the logic of it!!!!!

It is much like the logic the medical profession uses with so many things (like

diet, etc.) where they don't take into account the long term effects. Virtually

no one notices the negative impacts of a few (or hundreds of) sodas or big macs

when they are young or even older until their kidneys or liver gives some

amazing trouble. Often, even then, it is not linked to the slow damage one has

done over long period. They will tell you, you " caught " this or " succumbed to "

that " disease " like diabetes, lupus, MS or any other wonderful name.

What are you going to blame your bad knee or hip or ankle on when it gives in?

The rock in the road that you stumble over? The bad side walk? The miss-step

you took on the stairs? Your bad mattress? There are too many examples of

people sustaining injuries with cheap mini-trampolines to ignore them. Read

about Dave's dad on www.cellercise.com - permanently disabled.

I have tried the cellerciser and a several Walmart style cheapos and the

difference is like night and day. I believe the Needak is also good but

according to Dave, he left Needak because they did not want to incorporate his

latest improvements so he started his own company.

Then, there is the saying that: The wise man learns from other peoples

mistakes, the average man learns from his own (often toooooo late), and the fool

NEVER learns.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

P.S. I should state here that Dave will make a small donation to IRI if someone

mentions my name when they buy - so I guess I am not completely impartial! :-)

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

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Re: Re: Rebounders

I have one from Total Sports America, made in china, naturally.

The mesh is good quality. Firm

The springs are firm.

But, the bounce is comfortable.

Injuries, of lack of injury, is a matter of conditioning.

When I began, I was only " up " for a few minutes; and then improved time

gradually, w/out injury.

Maybe there is something to the expensive ones, but my feeling is that

a person should let cost stop them.

My $30 rebounder gets the job done.

[Guest guest]

At 11:04 AM 6/19/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi ,

>

>How's the weather in Baker City?

Finally warmer, Hallelujah!

Thunderstorm yesterday.

> Here in Portland it is nicely overcast

>and about 63F.

I lived there for 30 years . . . Loved all the GREEEEEN.

and everytime it rains here in the high mountain desert,

where the skies are mostly clear and the population thin,

it convinces me I really don't want to back to that " rainy city "

not even for some decent shopping such as Comp USA and Office Depot.

>I haven't been to your fair city for a number of years, I

>really like it there.

Somebody a long time ago planted a lot trees around town --

that are now huge --

made a nice little oasis in the midst of the sagebrush.

>Get a hold of Donna Crow: ruthful@..., she is selling the Needak's

>for $199, I believe.

But, if I'm going to spend hundreds of dollars, which I don't have right now,

seems like I should go with the improvements built into the Cellerciser.

Or -- as an intermediate step, maybe someone has a used Needak for

$80 -- now there's a thought.

)

>Take care,

>

>Craig

>

> > Anyone got a used cellercise for sale?

> > What did I read in another email? $400? Yikes. Does it REALLY need to be

> > that expensive?

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Donna, With one sentence you seem to be saying the Needak or CEllericser are

worth the extra price, then you say " Gail is right, there is just no

difference " Which is it?

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

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developmental difficulties.

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Re: Rebounders

Hi Art. You are obviously sturdier than me. I did the same thing. Got one

for $20 from Costco and used it about two times and had such severe lower back

pain that I couldn't use it. I was sad.

Then I heard about NEEDAk and having used it, Gail is right, there is just no

difference. NEEDAk makes back pain go away. This is a better option for me.

Smile.

And you are right about it being deceptive. I have only done really minor one

minute super soft bouncing and my stomach muscles feel like I have done sit ups,

tho I had no sensation of tightening my stomach while bouncing. So you do alot

more on it than you realize you are doing.

Later

Donna

[Guest guest]

I am not sure who you are replying to but I will take it. Of course I am not

saying you cannot possibly get injured from anything. You could fall off the

bloody thing!!(or even injure you joints) What I am saying is that many people

have testified to having been injured on the cheapos and how much better the

Needaks/Cellerciser are that I believe they are worth it.

Of course, you are the one that is responsible for your own health and therefore

must live with your decisions. Before we beat this to death, may I ask why you

bought running shoes at all. After all, the Kenyans run marathons barefoot,

what were you trying to protect? I am not blaming anything for anything, it is

just that, in my opinion, we should all do what we can to not wear our bodies

out prematurely and certainly not when giving advice to others.

If one can afford it, buy the better one! If one cannot afford it, one has a

different set of questions to ask themselves. Possibly, " Do I want to

rebound? " , " Would walking do as good a job? " " Do I want to risk ruing my

knees/hips/whatever or just get fat? " :-) Happy decision making.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

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Re: Re: Rebounders

The problem with logic lies in your analogy of what I said.

If I follow your reasoning, I can't possibly get an injury using an

expensive rebounder, which we know is not true.

I happen to prefer my firm, $30 version, because I know that when I

come down on it, I'm going to land with the same impact each time; no

surprises.

If I land on a softer surface, I'm more likely to land in an

uncontrolled way.

I have been running and excercising most of my 50 years w/out ever

directly injuring my self from same.

I run on asphalt, grass, dirt, concrete, and you name it, and I do so

according to my own current condition, not whether I wear shoes from

Kmart or Sachs.

I think blaming the surface you land on for a wrenched knee is

preposterous.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ken. Boy, I must have been tired when I typed that. Thanks for catching

that. That was supposed to say there is just no comparison. They are hugely

different.

xo Donna

Re: Rebounders

Donna, With one sentence you seem to be saying the Needak or CEllericser are

worth the extra price, then you say " Gail is right, there is just no

difference " Which is it?

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

Then I heard about NEEDAk and having used it, Gail is right, there is just

no difference. NEEDAk makes back pain go away. This is a better option for me.

Smile.

[Guest guest]

And you can get them for less than $250

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.net

Re: Re: Rebounders

My Needak folds in half & came with a heavy duty bag. I take it on

trips. I have even set it up at rest stops on the interstate for a 10

minute, very refreshing, exercise to wake me up & loosen muscles stiff

from lack of movement.

jim

No Free Lunch wrote:

>Just went and checked current prices, and the Cellerciser is

>going for $325, and the Needak for $250, both not including S & H.

>

>As I said, I am very happy with my cellerciser, but if the Needak

>is just as good, it looks like its the best deal.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Moria you can get them from me for $199 plus $18 for shipping.

Donna

ruthful@...

signing off for the weekend

Re: Rebounders

> And you can get them for less than $250

>

> Donna

yeah, I was planning to post about a slightly better price.

Let's see -- this info was sent to me in Jan 03---

from Planet Health www.sobehealthy.com

Letter says he sells the Needak for $229 including delivery

[Guest guest]

Yes, I got one for my dad and it is a good thing.

Donna

Re: Re: Rebounders

I highly recommend the stabilizer bar for older people when they are

beginning. I am 57 and found it quite useful although only used it for a few

weeks. I think it would also be helpful for others with balance difficulties and

children under 8 (say). That is why I bought it originally and it was included

in a package of goodies.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

[Guest guest]

My Needak folds in half & came with a heavy duty bag. I take it on

trips. I have even set it up at rest stops on the interstate for a 10

minute, very refreshing, exercise to wake me up & loosen muscles stiff

from lack of movement.

jim

No Free Lunch wrote:

>Just went and checked current prices, and the Cellerciser is

>going for $325, and the Needak for $250, both not including S & H.

>

>As I said, I am very happy with my cellerciser, but if the Needak

>is just as good, it looks like its the best deal.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> The problem with logic lies in your analogy of what I said.

>

> If I follow your reasoning, I can't possibly get an injury using an

> expensive rebounder, which we know is not true.

Well, since you didn't quote any of the post you were replying

to, none of us knows exaclt who you are replying to or what

logic' you are referring to...

I have seen NOTHYING posted that would lead to the belief that

you 'can't possibly' get an injury using an expensive

rebounder... of COURSE you could... if you land wrong/fall off,

etc. One of the reasons rebound exercise is so effective is it

utilizes ALL of the little stabilizer muscles to help you keep

your balance.

> I happen to prefer my firm, $30 version, because I know that when I

> come down on it, I'm going to land with the same impact each time; no

> surprises.

????

It is the cheapo units that have mats that STRETCH. One of the

SELLING point of the more expensive units is that they have mats

made of a material called PERMATRON, that DOES NOT stretch.

So, your logic is REVERSED.

> If I land on a softer surface, I'm more likely to land in an

> uncontrolled way.

EXACTLY - and since the cheaper material that your unit is made

of STRETCHES (even though you may not KNOW it, IT IS), it is FAR

more likely to cause injury - and in fact, it has been proven

that it DOES and WILL cause injury, given enough time and use.

> I have been running and excercising most of my 50 years w/out ever

> directly injuring my self from same.

Running is not even close to the amount of stress you put on your

knees and ankles during rebound exercise, unless you are doing it

VERY GENTLY (where your feet don't even leave the mat).

> I run on asphalt, grass, dirt, concrete, and you name it, and I do so

> according to my own current condition, not whether I wear shoes from

> Kmart or Sachs.

> I think blaming the surface you land on for a wrenched knee is

> preposterous.

I don't. There are too many cases of people who have permanently

damaged their knees and ankles just from running on those hard

surfaces you are talking about to ignore.

I think sticking your head in the sand and ignoring facts is just

about the only unforgivable 'sin' a man can engage in.

However, this is a free country, and you are perfectly free to do

things your way... just don't come crying to us when your knees

and/or ankles give out - and don't expect us to sit by while you

lead someone else down your unsafe path.

[Guest guest]

Here is a link selling them as low as $193

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & ie=ISO-8859-1 & q=Needak+Rebounder & btnG=Googl

e+Search

[Guest guest]

Here is a link selling them as low as $193

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & ie=ISO-8859-1 & q=Needak+Rebounder & btnG=Googl

e+Search