Re: home hyperbaric for lyme

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

> i hope this is not premature, but...

> i have gotten interested in hyperbaric. they now have home " mild

hyperbaric "

> units being sold. the cheapest is around ten thousand.

I have only found ONE type (with 3 sizes/models). As far

as I've found, everyone is selling (reselling) the same

thing.

The best list price I've found for Solarus is through

Dr. Donsbach ($9000). Oxyhealth (the exclusive distributor)

has a list price of $9500, but SOMETIMES has demo units and

the like that have the price lowered a bit. Talk to

Tom Melone (and please tell him I sent you), if you are

interested in this. www.oxyhealth.com

> upon reflection, i believe i see a path to constructing one for one

thousand

> five hundred.

> if i work out the kinks i will post my set-up here.

> i figure i can get it done in about 40 hours of work from my current

> understanding.

> we'll see.

Please (and I do mean PLEASE) go read the several threads on

this topic on the list HBOTFORCP (also yahoogroups). I would

suggest you read through all the messages for the last month

or two (3 at most?) so you don't miss any of it. It was

discussed more than once. Not all that many posts, but some

good pointers regarding some of the safety issues involved.

I learned a lot and found that I could apply the issues

also to the commercial mild chambers. Some references to

books on safety issues of HBOT construction, and of use

of oxygen.

I think at this point I would (personally, myself) go with

the commenrical unit. In addition to safety considerations,

I expect they can be resold (should one ever want to).

Which makes the cost potentially somewhat less " extreme " .

BTW, I am " testing out " (one session) a mild HBOT chamber

this Friday......

[i know of someone who used HBOT for lyme. Write me privately

if you want info.]

best,

Moria

[Guest guest]

Dear Group,

Use of; the portable hyperbaric chamber utilizing milder pressures, has been

under discussion for the past two years or so. As with any pancake use of the

portable (milder) has two sides. And plenty of vocal steam to go with the

plus and the minus

I have read that mainstream doctors are using the portable in their practices

and are finding practical use of it. I have no personal knowledge but I can

testify that prolonged use of the regular pressurized chambers such ;as

Secrist or Nautilus becomes very expensive for individuals such ;as my wife with

stroke and myself with macular degeneration. Thus far I have seen no help or

promise of help from any sort ;of public funding and have long ago given up that

it is in the cards for the forseeable future. I know some children with brain

damage such ;as CP and autism have been helped, but my belief is the help is

rare. I thought the Texas legislation would open the doors for public funding

but the sea lawyers as we once called them in the Navy found loopholes in the

legislation.

The portable chamber just may offer real benefits and we have seen reports

that it works with certain types of brain damage. In a conference such as the

upcoming Neubauer conference in Forida for CP, would seem an opportunity for

the portable chamber, its potentials and or its liabilities to be openly

discusses and this would be in the national interests. Our mothers are still

crying out for help. Only last night I had a call from an Eastern Shore mother

trying to find help for her child. and my clinic has been closed down for 2

years for lack of patronage. We still operate the chamber in ;our home for m;y

wife and I.

..

I have read and heard reports which testify to the effectiveness of the

portable and have been in hopes the retail price would be sufficiently

reasonable

to encourage its use in the home.

Broad discussions are very much needed. Mainstream doctors should give their

results utilizing the portable. Hyperbaric doctors should give us their

misgivings and reservations and we surely need congressional hearings where all

sides and offer their best judgment without fear of any sort of reprisals. This

a moment in history where all the facts should be known. Captain

Manson USN

[Guest guest]

Hi, cna you post what you know publicly on this list--about who used

hboc for lyme? I will be testing a mild chamber soon too. Please

report back. Also, I agree, there are safety issues. Even with the

mild chambers at home I'd have someone there during a session.

>

> Hello ,

>

> > i hope this is not premature, but...

> > i have gotten interested in hyperbaric. they now have home " mild

> hyperbaric "

> > units being sold. the cheapest is around ten thousand.

>

> I have only found ONE type (with 3 sizes/models). As far

> as I've found, everyone is selling (reselling) the same

> thing.

>

> The best list price I've found for Solarus is through

> Dr. Donsbach ($9000). Oxyhealth (the exclusive distributor)

> has a list price of $9500, but SOMETIMES has demo units and

> the like that have the price lowered a bit. Talk to

> Tom Melone (and please tell him I sent you), if you are

> interested in this. www.oxyhealth.com

>

> > upon reflection, i believe i see a path to constructing one for

one

> thousand

> > five hundred.

> > if i work out the kinks i will post my set-up here.

> > i figure i can get it done in about 40 hours of work from my

current

> > understanding.

> > we'll see.

>

> Please (and I do mean PLEASE) go read the several threads on

> this topic on the list HBOTFORCP (also yahoogroups). I would

> suggest you read through all the messages for the last month

> or two (3 at most?) so you don't miss any of it. It was

> discussed more than once. Not all that many posts, but some

> good pointers regarding some of the safety issues involved.

> I learned a lot and found that I could apply the issues

> also to the commercial mild chambers. Some references to

> books on safety issues of HBOT construction, and of use

> of oxygen.

>

> I think at this point I would (personally, myself) go with

> the commenrical unit. In addition to safety considerations,

> I expect they can be resold (should one ever want to).

> Which makes the cost potentially somewhat less " extreme " .

>

> BTW, I am " testing out " (one session) a mild HBOT chamber

> this Friday......

>

> [i know of someone who used HBOT for lyme. Write me privately

> if you want info.]

>

> best,

> Moria

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hello ,

> >

> > > i hope this is not premature, but...

> > > i have gotten interested in hyperbaric. they now have home " mild

> > hyperbaric "

> > > units being sold. the cheapest is around ten thousand.

> >

> > I have only found ONE type (with 3 sizes/models). As far

> > as I've found, everyone is selling (reselling) the same

> > thing.

> >

> > The best list price I've found for Solarus is through

> > Dr. Donsbach ($9000). Oxyhealth (the exclusive distributor)

> > has a list price of $9500, but SOMETIMES has demo units and

> > the like that have the price lowered a bit. Talk to

> > Tom Melone (and please tell him I sent you), if you are

> > interested in this. www.oxyhealth.com

> >

> > > upon reflection, i believe i see a path to constructing one for

> one

> > thousand

> > > five hundred.

> > > if i work out the kinks i will post my set-up here.

> > > i figure i can get it done in about 40 hours of work from my

> current

> > > understanding.

> > > we'll see.

> >

> > Please (and I do mean PLEASE) go read the several threads on

> > this topic on the list HBOTFORCP (also yahoogroups). I would

> > suggest you read through all the messages for the last month

> > or two (3 at most?) so you don't miss any of it. It was

> > discussed more than once. Not all that many posts, but some

> > good pointers regarding some of the safety issues involved.

> > I learned a lot and found that I could apply the issues

> > also to the commercial mild chambers. Some references to

> > books on safety issues of HBOT construction, and of use

> > of oxygen.

> >

> > I think at this point I would (personally, myself) go with

> > the commenrical unit. In addition to safety considerations,

> > I expect they can be resold (should one ever want to).

> > Which makes the cost potentially somewhat less " extreme " .

> >

> > BTW, I am " testing out " (one session) a mild HBOT chamber

> > this Friday......

> >

> > [i know of someone who used HBOT for lyme. Write me privately

> > if you want info.]

> >

> > best,

> > Moria

[Guest guest]

I haven't read the other list but will try to fairly soon. Are you

suggesting that the portable models out there, ranging from $9000 to

$19000, are not safe? I.E. the way they compress air, or their

valves, etc, make them unsafe? I would like to know. Thanx.

> > >

> > > Hello ,

> > >

> > > > i hope this is not premature, but...

> > > > i have gotten interested in hyperbaric. they now have

home " mild

> > > hyperbaric "

> > > > units being sold. the cheapest is around ten thousand.

> > >

> > > I have only found ONE type (with 3 sizes/models). As far

> > > as I've found, everyone is selling (reselling) the same

> > > thing.

> > >

> > > The best list price I've found for Solarus is through

> > > Dr. Donsbach ($9000). Oxyhealth (the exclusive distributor)

> > > has a list price of $9500, but SOMETIMES has demo units and

> > > the like that have the price lowered a bit. Talk to

> > > Tom Melone (and please tell him I sent you), if you are

> > > interested in this. www.oxyhealth.com

> > >

> > > > upon reflection, i believe i see a path to constructing one

for

> > one

> > > thousand

> > > > five hundred.

> > > > if i work out the kinks i will post my set-up here.

> > > > i figure i can get it done in about 40 hours of work from my

> > current

> > > > understanding.

> > > > we'll see.

> > >

> > > Please (and I do mean PLEASE) go read the several threads on

> > > this topic on the list HBOTFORCP (also yahoogroups). I would

> > > suggest you read through all the messages for the last month

> > > or two (3 at most?) so you don't miss any of it. It was

> > > discussed more than once. Not all that many posts, but some

> > > good pointers regarding some of the safety issues involved.

> > > I learned a lot and found that I could apply the issues

> > > also to the commercial mild chambers. Some references to

> > > books on safety issues of HBOT construction, and of use

> > > of oxygen.

> > >

> > > I think at this point I would (personally, myself) go with

> > > the commenrical unit. In addition to safety considerations,

> > > I expect they can be resold (should one ever want to).

> > > Which makes the cost potentially somewhat less " extreme " .

> > >

> > > BTW, I am " testing out " (one session) a mild HBOT chamber

> > > this Friday......

> > >

> > > [i know of someone who used HBOT for lyme. Write me privately

> > > if you want info.]

> > >

> > > best,

> > > Moria

[Guest guest]

> I haven't read the other list but will try to fairly soon. Are you

> suggesting that the portable models out there, ranging from $9000 to

> $19000, are not safe? I.E. the way they compress air, or their

> valves, etc, make them unsafe? I would like to know. Thanx.

No. I'm not suggesting that at all. What I'm saying is that

there are safety issues with ANY HBOT chamber, and that I have

thought about them relative to both home built and commercial

units. And I, personally, would buy a commercial one, at

this point.

I have not followed up on ALL of the possible safety issues

and how they are addressed by commercial units, but the

ones I have asked about I'm actually quite comfortable with.

It has some nice safety features IMO, such as the materials

it is built with......

What I was suggesting is that there are a lot of issues you

should consider in building your own chamber, some of which

I know, and probably many more that I don't know. I am

suggesting that it is quite possible that you could make

something that is not safe, in a number of different ways.

Moria

[Guest guest]

Which one did you like? Contact info please? I trust your judgment. :-)

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI)

San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call

Moria said:

home built and commercial

units. And I, personally, would buy a commercial one, at

this point.

I have not followed up on ALL of the possible safety issues

and how they are addressed by commercial units, but the

ones I have asked about I'm actually quite comfortable with.

It has some nice safety features IMO, such as the materials

it is built with......

[Guest guest]

I see. I totally agree. I would not build my own home chamber. You

could end up injured or dead!

> > I haven't read the other list but will try to fairly soon. Are

you

> > suggesting that the portable models out there, ranging from $9000

to

> > $19000, are not safe? I.E. the way they compress air, or their

> > valves, etc, make them unsafe? I would like to know. Thanx.

>

> No. I'm not suggesting that at all. What I'm saying is that

> there are safety issues with ANY HBOT chamber, and that I have

> thought about them relative to both home built and commercial

> units. And I, personally, would buy a commercial one, at

> this point.

>

> I have not followed up on ALL of the possible safety issues

> and how they are addressed by commercial units, but the

> ones I have asked about I'm actually quite comfortable with.

> It has some nice safety features IMO, such as the materials

> it is built with......

>

> What I was suggesting is that there are a lot of issues you

> should consider in building your own chamber, some of which

> I know, and probably many more that I don't know. I am

> suggesting that it is quite possible that you could make

> something that is not safe, in a number of different ways.

>

> Moria