Re: better price- Chi Machine-which to buy

July 6, 2003

Boy, has the price come down from my mother's memory! ;-)) The machine I

wrote about is $225, not the price I quoted. Here is a link. Ed has a

new email address, too:

arkangel50@...

http://www.cerebrex.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=C & Product_C\

ode=CV & Category_Code=LMM

jim

Jim Lambert wrote:

>I got my first chi machine some years ago, and have gone thru several

>brands. When my mom went to Texas hers broke and she replaced it with

>one that is better than any others I had heard of. I'll call her and get

>the brand, but it's main feature is that it doesn't move side-to-side!

>It moves in a figuge 8! The importance of this is that it is a softer

>movement for people like my mom (85 years old). It is also important

>since the basic principle that caused the first one to be invented was

>to mimic the swaying motion of a fish swimming. No joke, that was the

>thinking behind the invention of the swing machines.

>

>A cheapo will work fine, but they have nylon gears that wear out. I have

>one with all metal parts that will never wear out, but, once old, it is

>noisy and not easy to get quiet without loud music. The figure 8

>movement is also probably why this one has lasted over 1-1/2 years of

>daily use and the others never made it even to a year, because not being

>side-to-side, there is less slamming with each stroke.

>

>I get mine from Ed at cerebrex.com. He is good to do business

>with, stands behind everything he sells, and I have never had a

>complaint from any of the many people I have sent to him for different

>gadgetry. His prices will be competitive. His email is arcangel@...

>

>Called my mom & her brand is a Chi-Vitalizer Body Stimulator, and was

>$370 short of 2 years ago. I'm going to contact Ed for info on it & will

>get back to the list.

>

>jim

>

July 6, 2003

>Boy, has the price come down from my mother's memory! ;-)) The machine I

>wrote about is $225, not the price I quoted. Here is a link. Ed has a

>new email address, too:

>

>arkangel50@...

Hi Jim,

there is a machine out there, don't remember what it is called,

maybe the Chi machine, it runs around $500.00, is that the one

you are all talking about? its supposed to be the ONLY machine

that truly does " IT " , whatever that is.

Antonia

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July 6, 2003

Antonia,

If there is a chi machine claiming it is the " only " one to do " it " I

would have to see it to venture an opinion. Also, one must be careful

that the " chi " machine in question is a foot-swinger, which is what I am

talking about. There are other devices purported to emit chi that are

not the same thing.

jim

Antonia wrote:

>>Boy, has the price come down from my mother's memory! ;-)) The machine I

>>wrote about is $225, not the price I quoted. Here is a link. Ed has a

>>new email address, too:

>>

>>arkangel50@...

>>

>

>Hi Jim,

>there is a machine out there, don't remember what it is called,

>maybe the Chi machine, it runs around $500.00, is that the one

>you are all talking about? its supposed to be the ONLY machine

>that truly does " IT " , whatever that is.

>Antonia

>

July 6, 2003

>Antonia,

>If there is a chi machine claiming it is the " only " one to do " it " I

>would have to see it to venture an opinion. Also, one must be careful

>that the " chi " machine in question is a foot-swinger, which is what I am

>talking about. There are other devices purported to emit chi that are

>not the same thing.

>

>jim

Hi Jim,

'it is a " foot swinger " and it claims to be the only one that does the

" swing " that does anything, that it is researched and all that stuff,

and I believe it is called the chi machine, maybe it was the first one

out, and everything else is off of that one., anyway, this is around

4-500$.

Antonia

--

Antonia

http://www.Body-Dynamics.com

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July 6, 2003

Antonia,

Someone would have to tell me why it is supposedly better. Any foot

swinger works. Why one is worth $400-500 I can't imagine.

jim

Antonia wrote:

>>Antonia,

>>If there is a chi machine claiming it is the " only " one to do " it " I

>>would have to see it to venture an opinion. Also, one must be careful

>>that the " chi " machine in question is a foot-swinger, which is what I am

>>talking about. There are other devices purported to emit chi that are

>>not the same thing.

>>

>>jim

>>

>

>Hi Jim,

>'it is a " foot swinger " and it claims to be the only one that does the

> " swing " that does anything, that it is researched and all that stuff,

>and I believe it is called the chi machine, maybe it was the first one

>out, and everything else is off of that one., anyway, this is around

>4-500$.

>Antonia

>

July 6, 2003

Jim, When I clicked on the link, it said " fatal error, product not

found " . Is the address correct? Gail

> Boy, has the price come down from my mother's memory! ;-)) The

machine I

> wrote about is $225, not the price I quoted. Here is a link. Ed has

a

> new email address, too:

>

> arkangel50@e...

>

> http://www.cerebrex.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?

Screen=PROD & Store_Code=C & Product_Code=CV & Category_Code=LMM

>

> jim

July 6, 2003

Wanda,

I don't know if the link is as you clisked it, but in your text the link

is split in two. It has to be whole to work. Here it is again:

http://www.cerebrex.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=C & Product_C\

ode=CV & Category_Code=LMM

jim

wanda85929 wrote:

>Jim, When I clicked on the link, it said " fatal error, product not

>found " . Is the address correct? Gail

>

>>Boy, has the price come down from my mother's memory! ;-)) The

>>

>machine I

>

>>wrote about is $225, not the price I quoted. Here is a link. Ed has

>>

>a

>

>>new email address, too:

>>

>>arkangel50@e...

>>

>>http://www.cerebrex.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?

>>

>Screen=PROD & Store_Code=C & Product_Code=CV & Category_Code=LMM

>

>>jim

>>

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July 7, 2003

Hi Jim. I am seriously looking into this whole controversy. The original 'chi

machine' is by Sun Ancon. And the designer is/was a specialist in oxygen

therapies and he and his cohorts did substantial testing to determine the proper

number of back and forth movements per minute, which would not cause high bp.

Supposedly chaning just 5 swings higher or lower can be an issue. 144-147 is

supposed to be the perfect range.

Also did studies on the proper height for the legs. Too high or too low and bp

can be affected negatively.

So, as I said, I am looking into the Chi Vitalizer and seeing how it compares

and I want to see what the maker has to say about any tests that have been done

regarding these issues. I will post back what I find.

Blessings

Donna

Re: better price- Chi Machine-which to buy

Antonia,

If there is a chi machine claiming it is the " only " one to do " it " I

would have to see it to venture an opinion. Also, one must be careful

that the " chi " machine in question is a foot-swinger, which is what I am

talking about. There are other devices purported to emit chi that are

not the same thing.

jim

Antonia wrote:

>>Boy, has the price come down from my mother's memory! ;-)) The machine I

>>wrote about is $225, not the price I quoted. Here is a link. Ed has a

>>new email address, too:

>>

>>arkangel50@...

>>

>

>Hi Jim,

>there is a machine out there, don't remember what it is called,

>maybe the Chi machine, it runs around $500.00, is that the one

>you are all talking about? its supposed to be the ONLY machine

>that truly does " IT " , whatever that is.

>Antonia

>

OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other

alternative self-help subjects.

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July 7, 2003

>Antonia,

>

>Someone would have to tell me why it is supposedly better. Any foot

>swinger works. Why one is worth $400-500 I can't imagine.

>

>jim

Here is the website http://www.thechimachine.com/

it tells all about it.

Antonia

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July 7, 2003

Hi Jim. Well, either the maker of the chi machine is out right lying, or he

believes that speed and height make a difference. So, as I posted in my

previous response to you, I am going to do comparisons on both units and report

back.

I am not interested in taking chances with my health or my dad's. If there is

any truth to this I want to know.

As I have said a multitude of times, I am not fond of multi level marketing as

it makes products cost many times what it should. I really do not want to have

to pay $500 when I can pay less than half that. Nor do I want to offer a

product to elderly people with low incomes for twice or three times what they

could get it elsewhere.

But if the results from the Sun Ancon are significantly better than from the Chi

Vitalizer, then that is a whole other story. Since I am in a position to

seriously compare the two, I am going to and I will let everyone know what I

find.

I don't think it over thinking a simple thing. Would you say the same thing

about someone choosing to buy a less expensive ozonator than the one that Saul

Pressman offers. They both make ozone, why over think it. Because cheaper

isn't always better. Sometimes it is just as good and sometimes it isn't. I

want to know for sure.

Blessings

Donna

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Re: better price- Chi Machine-which to buy

Donna,

I can't seriously imagine that 5 swings per minute would have that

effect, or that foot height would be a factor for BP. Pardon me, but

that sounds to me like pure BS. If a person's BP is so fragile that the

foot height or number of swings is a danger, then that person is so sick

they are on death's door already, IMO.

All the rest of what you're talking about seems to me like overthinking

a simple thing. It sounds to me like marketing hype to justify a

too-high price. I looked at the Sun Ancon at the site Antonia supplied,

and did a search on google. I can find nothing to justify its price

other than the claim that it is the first to be marketed. So what, IMO?

I'm interested only in practical features, quality of construction &

price. $500+ vs $225 for a comparable machine is a no-brainer to me.

A cushioned ankle rest is a lot more important to me than who invented

it, because it translates to comfort. My first machine I got, I had to

use a washcloth as a cushion. And, the Chi Vitalizer, like any good

(IMO) swing machine, has a variable speed so beginners or delicate

people can start out slow & pick up speed gradually, or over time. An

arcing (not straight side-to-side) movement is another feature I find

important, both for gentleness with my body and the machine itself.

Again, the rest seems to me to be overthinking a very simple thing.

jim

July 8, 2003