Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Moria: I have to disagree with you here, although admittedly I rarely use clay externally without using it internally as well. As an example, I have pulled metal staples out of the body using clay only, as well as slivers of steel embedded in the palms of the hands ( very tiny ones, from who knows where ). With the staples, I literally had to demand the medical staff stop with their pliars and leave; barbarians. More than one person has done before and after comparisons with blood and hair analysis revealing that clay use removes heavy metals from the body when used... Dr. for one. Granted, Dr. utilized the clay internally only, but it is universally recognized among the European practitioners ( many of whom are very advanced licensed doctors ) that clay has a stronger general detoxification effect when used in baths. Since the clay never reaches any part of the body, upon initial use internally, than the digestive system, it is obvious that the clay acts as a catalyst in the body. If you doubt the power of clay used externally, it is easy to demonstrate. Take a hydrated gel packed 2 inches thick, apply it to your liver, completely cover it with a dressing, and try to allow it stay on for an hour. You might be surprised at the body's reaction. Of course, clay completely " dissolved " in water has a far reduced effect than a clay pack or poultice. The Gerson Institute has discovered that advanced liver cancer patients cannot tolerate even a moistened clay dressing for longer than twenty minutes, although I don't believe the Gerson Institute utilizes the clay correctly. This is sad, as I have worked with more than of their post-release cancer patients, and they could assist these terminal cases much better if they would take the time to understand the substance they are using. They have always just ignored my emails, and continued the same thing, expecting different results. However, there are some clays out there that don't seem to be very effective. I've had samples sent where the sender has not been willing to tell me the brand or the source. Taste your clay; if it actually tastes salty, you may have an inferior clay. It may not seem like it is pulling heavy metals from your body; I hardly notice any effect of clay baths myself, other than the pleasant energy and cleanliness. Then again, I don't have a problem with mercury toxicity. Eventually we'll know, as my associate has a sample going in for chemical analysis. The individual went from a coma and barely able to move to happily travelling the world with only three clay baths. Sadly, many of the people I work with are not financially well off, and so have no insurance nor money for sophisticated analysis. I don't have financial interest in any products, and everything I do is always for free. I'm by no means rich, and so I have to choose my scientific studies carefully. What I'm trying to do at this point is encourage people who absolutely know they have a heavy metal toxicity issue to utilize clay therapy. I'd be just as happy to find cases where the clay didn't work as cases that do. I've even challenged the BC Skeptics ( the only real skeptical organization that I know of that knows how to really think ) to study my own work... They apparently weren't interested. If you further doubt the power of pelotherapy, you may want to visit the Buruli Busters @ http://www.burulibusters.com/ Clay therapy is the only non-surgical treatment ever shown to be effective in this type of infection. Remember that the base of the clay chemical base is nothing less than quartz crystal. Clays share the properties of crystal, meaning hydrated clay acts as a transducer as well. Professor Graham Cairns- intricately describes the role of clay in the genetic evolution of all life on Earth, giving new meaning to the biblical idea that man was made of clay. However, I should state that Professor Cairns-, genius that he is, does not agree with my suppositions that clay has an effect beyond the recognized chemical effects with the body. But then again, he's never tried it either! My own research with clays that are available for everyone to use has been slow, as I am not that popular with the marketeers of the world. I think many of the companies selling products approach a criminal level of price mark-ups. I have actually run into situations where people refuse to sell me products. I have run into serious snags with large quarries as well. I also run into the greed machine quite often. All that said, I have made the comittment to both find an affordable source to use as a baseline, and prove or disprove the benefit of using clay baths and clay detox protocols with heavy metal poisoning. Best Regards, Re: Mercury Toxicity > > > > Utilizing healing clays and hydrotherapy should really be a primary > modality > > when addressing chemical toxicity. However, the other suggestions > I've seen > > have been supreme, and there is no reason to not to use them all. The > > primary consideration concerning clay use is there is no data suggesting > > clay use either internally or externally in a bath will have an > effect on > > mercury/heavy metals that have crossed the blood brain barrier. > There is no > > data one way or the other, only wild speculation. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > Hi , > > I agree with you that there is NOT evidence that indicates that > clay (or anything else used on the skin) can detox the brain of > metals. I would go farther and say that I don't think that clay > (or anything else that I know of used on the skin) can detox the > BODY of metals. It may have some local effect (on skin, or, if > ingested, in the digestive tract). I've taken clay baths for > a number of years from time to time, and think they are " nice " . > But don't think they are a systemic mercury detox method. > > best, > Moria > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. 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Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Miriam: My first demonstration of a total metabolic difference with clay as used internally and with baths was with measuring the body's PH level before and after use. When clay is first ingested, it has a nuetralizing effect on the stomach acidity. This somehow ended up translating to the PH of saliva with a significant increase. I measured the before and after effect after five days of use. As I was relatively young at the time, I was able to utilize some gentle fresh herbal concoctions in conjunction with clay use... As you may or may not know, Dextreit never suggested utilizing clay without a specialized accompanying diet. He was strongly opinionated that the clay's direct effect on the body is negligable. He was adamant that supportive treatment needed to be used with a strong focus on liver support. This initial personal study on bentonite used internally involved drinking alot of hydrated clay water; about one to two quarts daily for six months. I was able to demonstrate that Dextreit was correct when he stated that hydrated clay used internally fixes free oxygen in blood stream, provided that the liver is restored to health. The difference can be measured visually, just by looking at the veins ( provided the veins are visible of course ) or by cutting oneself ( not recommended, obviously, but I had more than one person accuse me, jokingly, of not being human ). I doubt many Americans have ever seen what blood is SUPPOSED to look like, although maybe some of the oxygen practioners on the list can note the difference when the blood is super-satured with oxygen. I tried to duplicate my experiment starting a few months ago, but had to abandon the effort; my own colon, perish the thought, is no longer able to just take huge amounts of clay used internally. I've had to stop the experiment while I motivate myself to shift my diet and work to restore my elimination system -- too much coffee and sugar, with a dash of starvation, over the years. The problem with re-proving Dextreit's 30 years of work, is that we of western society don't utilize a diet conducive to proper liver function; myself included. The second problem is that people think that taking herbal tinctures, herbal tablets, and herbal capsules is herbology. Nothing could be further from the truth, especially concerning the liver. I've found that he's at least partially correct in his diet relation, as those with metabolic conditions respond very slowly to pelotherapy used alone; obesity, diabetes, etc. I appreciate your experience; I don't see it as ambivalent at all. I do this because I find emmense enjoyment in the research, experience, and people-- and to root out accurate and reliable information that is beneficial to others' search for well-being that is cost effective and truly beneficial. Perhaps the FORM of mercury has something to do with it, dependent upon the nature of exposure. Again, you are certainly right, the testing is very unreliable, although I have been impressed with the Melisa test, even though there is no actual measurement of actual heavy metal content. As far as my standards for good clay, it's funny trying to describe to clay quarries what I'd like them to do: Go down to the quarry. Go into the vein. Take the clay and put in a glass container. Ship it to me. No, don't pulverize it. No, don't sift it! Natural clays have the second highest amounts of monoatomic elements in nature ( according to a paper I read where I didn't do the research, I wouldn't know how to identify a monoatomic element if it hit me on the head ), the first highest being Aloe Vera, before processing. There are rumored to be 36 prime healing clay deposits on the planet, none of which I have discovered. I was told by those involved in more controversial research ( and other dubious activities ) that any such sites that are discovered are made unavailable to public access. I was told there was such a site in Arizona, and invited to go there, where there was rumored to be an underground cavern existing and used by the Ancient Ones ( the Anasazi ). I'll believe it when I see it, but I find... modern clay mythology? ... very interesting. Unfortunately, having to actually work for a living, I couldn't pick up and go on a days notice, and the individual never returned. I don't know if he decided to move to Arizona, if he ended up incarcerated ( he was a for-hire technology thief, of all things ), or if " business " just took him away. I even went so far as to personally track down the clay used by the Southwest Indian tribes " annual " meeting that took place in the Truth or Consequences area in New Mexico, before western civilization took over ( the " seven sacred springs " ). It appeared to be a white kaolin, although there used to be a good natural deposit of green clay before they made Lake Butte. Funny thing is, is that the Chamber of Commerce in Truth or Consequences venomously denied that there were any clay deposits anywhere in the area. When they were so beligerant about it, I knew that there was one; I just never figured out why they were so emotional about denying the existance, of all things, of a clay deposit. I can think of alot more important things to get upset about. New Mexico was not very hospitable; I particularly suggest that any visitors stay very far away from their hospitals. Best Regards, Re: Mercury Toxicity > Hi , > > > As an example, I have pulled metal staples out of the body using > clay only, > > as well as slivers of steel embedded in the palms of the hands ( > very tiny > > ones, from who knows where ). > > I'm aware that bentonite (probably other clays too) is drawing, > and is used for stuff like bee stings etc where you want to remove > something. To me, removing slivers does not seem similar to > removing mercury/metals from the cells/organs/etc.... > > > More than one person has done before and after comparisons with > blood and > > hair analysis revealing that clay use removes heavy metals from the body > > when used... > > these tests may or may not be relevant. it is really very hard > to test for mercury. sort of a shame! > > > Since the clay never reaches any part of the body, upon initial use > > internally, than the digestive system, it is obvious that the clay > acts as a > > catalyst in the body. > > sorry, I don't follow you > this would be clear IF you had very conclusive evidence it was > effecting the whole body. The main internal use I know of for > clay is as a colon cleanser. I've used it for that. It is a > local effect. > > > > It may not seem like it is pulling heavy metals from your body; I hardly > > notice any effect of clay baths myself, other than the pleasant > energy and > > cleanliness. Then again, I don't have a problem with mercury toxicity. > > I don't actually think that my personal case is particularly > conclusive, but none the less, I can tell you that I took MANY > clay baths (infrequently, but for several years) prior to > chelating with ALA. Chelating with ALA resulted in a number > of (not terribly dramatic) health improvements. Also, prior > to ALA I appear to have had impaired mineral transport (which > generally indicates BODY mercury toxicity, specifically.) Use of > ALA resulted in very normal mineral transport. (For info on > mineral transport & mercury: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/HOW_TO_hair_test ) > > Of course, my clay may not meet your standards for " good " clay. > > > > What I'm trying to do at this point is encourage people who > absolutely know > > they have a heavy metal toxicity issue to utilize clay therapy. I'd > be just > > as happy to find cases where the clay didn't work as cases that do. > > I'm with you on this, I'm all for being open about things. > You can use my case, although somewhat ambivilent, as one > to think about if you want. > > > > If you further doubt the power of pelotherapy, you may want to visit the > > Buruli Busters @ http://www.burulibusters.com/ > > > > Clay therapy is the only non-surgical treatment ever shown to be > effective > > in this type of infection. > > well, we were not talking about infections. > I use clay for a number of things. I have several pounds of > bentonite at home, as well as a container with moist bentonite > and charcoal.... > > I will probably try your liver pack. > > best, > Moria > > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2003 Report Share Posted March 1, 2003 . Very interesting work with clay detoxing. The concensus of opinion seems to be that the mercury fillings should be removed before doing detoxing. Is this your feeling also? Thank you, nancy... > > What I'm trying to do at this point is encourage people who absolutely know > they have a heavy metal toxicity issue to utilize clay therapy. I'd be just > as happy to find cases where the clay didn't work as cases that do. I've > even challenged the BC Skeptics ( the only real skeptical organization that > I know of that knows how to really think ) to study my own work... They > apparently weren't interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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