Re: Re: SECOND POST!help,please....Do anti fungal parade or regualr doses?

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Thanks Stan and everyone else who replied to my post.It is very much appreciated. My son did horribly on SCD diet.He was also on GFCF diet for 3 yrs.He does not have issues with gluten according to all tests but does over eat carbs like alot of ASD kids.As he gets older he is resisting the foods we give him but we are trying to get him to eat healthier. My son actually started talking once I added back gluten at the age of 4 +.He was definately lacking something.Before that he had 5 words that he continued to lose.He now speaks with single words and is trying to string together sentences like ...I want.... Just wondering if any one has had positive results on this protocol despite not doing SCD or GFCF??? Thanks again!Stan Kurtz wrote: I don't know enough about your child to answer this. Plus I typically speak in terms of my child or what I have read and heard, etc. Your child to me sounds really sick and infected. I am a fan of high doses and rotating many types of antifungals through (Sid Baker's Antifungal Parade). In many ways this makes sense to me, but you have to take your individual child and your own tolerances into consideration.You are really uncomfortable with this and your child is giving you some signs that he/she may have some trouble with it. It's probably because your child is really sick wtih really

high amounts of fungus and bacteria and who knows maybe viruses.It's possible the bladder infection was caused by infections changing and the die off. Typically bladder infections are bacterially based as I understand. So, that said I would work on an SCD type of diet, meaning lessening the carbs and starches along with GF/CF. This will often help reduce the bacterial levels. I would start a probiotic parade with different probiotics in high doses during the day. I would work my way up. The whole time I would also have an antifungal onboard maybe at a low level and working my way up as well. Once the bacteria and fungus were managed I would start looking at a viral strategy.The goal for me in this situation would be to read my child's infectious symptoms and realize that bacteria, fungus and virus all have a relationship with each other and that my child was showing bacterial signs when I added antifungals and use

that as a guide to pickup my bacterial strategy before picking up my fungal strategy and then when that is somewhat under control consider the third part of the triangle, viruses. It's not just about how to approach antifungals, it's how to approach your childs blend of infections.Hopefully you'll get to the place where you can do the parade but first I would get the whole infectious strategy that is best for my child in place.My best,- Stan>> HI to all!> > I need help making a decision to do anti fungal parade or not.My son > started with S.Boulardii as per doctor.He ended up with bladder > infection so we did NOT proceed to AmphoB as directed.My son was having > several urine accidents per day despite being toilet

trained for almost > 3 years.> > The AMphoB is REALLY expensive especially when you have to double up > the dose while doing parade.> > Should I just fill the RX's a rotate a couple of anti fungals instead > of doing parade?> > What does Stan think of anti fungal parade?> > Thank YA!> "To accomplish great things, we must not only act, wemust dream; not only plan but also

believe."

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I have had positive results from the diet. I think it has been the biggest contributer to him healing. My son had huge reactions to gluten and none to casein, I also babysit another autistic boy same age and is just the opposite, he has huge reactions to the casein but not the gluten. It got very hard to do both the diets so I both gluten and casein free while I was babysitting. I can say to take gluten out of my son's diet has had this affect: no more seizures as he was having them 7+ times a day, screaming all day long, gut pain that sometimes woke him up screaming every 20 minutes, no eye contact general acting autistic. He was diagnosed severely autistic over 2 years ago and put him on the diet right away. The seizures took about 3 days to slow down and 2 weeks before they were gone. The gluten is much harder than the casein in my opinion but some may not think so. Gluten for us mean, no cross contamination, not preparing any gluten free food around gluten

surfaces like cutting boards, toasters. We had to get a different toaster and write gluten free on it. Make sure everyone in the house complied with the rules. We ate oats for the 1st 2 weeks not really understanding what gluten really was. I had a cracker in my salt shaker because we live on the coast and it kept our salt from clumping up, we couldn't eat out, or eat food in front of our child. Wheat is an extremely hard protein for the body to process and one of the hardest I believe. It takes 8 months of being consistent on the diet to be out of the system. Because my son did not have problems with casein I did not do that diet. He got so much better and after about 8 months it was like a cloud lifting. Although we could see results right away and it got better everyday. But it was about 9 months when it really seemed to lift. I decided to do the same with casein and it didn't make a dramatic affect and we put it in and took it out a few times I can only say he in

general seemed in a better mood and slept better. So gluten made a 90% difference and casein about 5%. We have since then took out other foods, sugars we are going for the SCD but not completely there. He is doing much better and just the other day something remarkable happened: I was by my car and the neighbor girl dropped some lego's. One about 20 feet away rolled about 6 feet from her into the driveway. My son Terran is 4 1/2 and he stopped what he was doing looked 20 feet away said "uho! What's that?" and ran to it and picked it up. The little girl said that is mine can I have it? He said "ok, here you go. She said thank you and he said your welcome. No prompting, no guiding. My son has never said your welcome, and if he found a toy he would take it and not give it back and certainly not respond to any child in that manner. I just cried, that was last week and I am still crying. Nikki Barbieri

wrote: Thanks Stan and everyone else who replied to my post.It is very much appreciated. My son did horribly on SCD diet.He was also on GFCF diet for 3 yrs.He does not have issues with gluten according to all tests but does over eat carbs like alot of ASD kids.As he gets older he is resisting the foods we give him but we are trying to get him to eat healthier. My son actually started talking once I added back gluten at the age of 4 +.He was definately lacking something.Before that he had 5 words that he continued to

lose.He now speaks with single words and is trying to string together sentences like ...I want.... Just wondering if any one has had positive results on this protocol despite not doing SCD or GFCF??? Thanks again!Stan Kurtz <stankurtzgmail> wrote: I don't know enough about your child to answer this. Plus I typically speak in terms of my child or what I have read and heard, etc. Your child to me sounds really sick and infected. I am a fan of high doses and rotating many types of antifungals through (Sid Baker's Antifungal Parade). In many ways this makes sense to me, but you have to take your individual child and your own tolerances into consideration.You are really uncomfortable with this and your child is giving you some signs that

he/she may have some trouble with it. It's probably because your child is really sick wtih really high amounts of fungus and bacteria and who knows maybe viruses.It's possible the bladder infection was caused by infections changing and the die off. Typically bladder infections are bacterially based as I understand. So, that said I would work on an SCD type of diet, meaning lessening the carbs and starches along with GF/CF. This will often help reduce the bacterial levels. I would start a probiotic parade with different probiotics in high doses during the day. I would work my way up. The whole time I would also have an antifungal onboard maybe at a low level and working my way up as well. Once the bacteria and fungus were managed I would start looking at a viral strategy.The goal for me in this situation would be to read my child's infectious symptoms and realize that bacteria, fungus and virus all have a

relationship with each other and that my child was showing bacterial signs when I added antifungals and use that as a guide to pickup my bacterial strategy before picking up my fungal strategy and then when that is somewhat under control consider the third part of the triangle, viruses. It's not just about how to approach antifungals, it's how to approach your childs blend of infections.Hopefully you'll get to the place where you can do the parade but first I would get the whole infectious strategy that is best for my child in place.My best,- Stan>> HI to all!> > I need help making a decision to do anti fungal parade or not.My son > started with S.Boulardii as per doctor.He ended up with bladder > infection so we did NOT

proceed to AmphoB as directed.My son was having > several urine accidents per day despite being toilet trained for almost > 3 years.> > The AMphoB is REALLY expensive especially when you have to double up > the dose while doing parade.> > Should I just fill the RX's a rotate a couple of anti fungals instead > of doing parade?> > What does Stan think of anti fungal parade?> > Thank YA!> "To accomplish great things, we must not only act, wemust dream; not only plan but also believe." Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers.

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How do you know if your child needs CF or GF diet--how does a parent suppose to know--Anyone Please------wendy campbell wrote: I have had positive results from the diet. I think it has been the biggest contributer to him healing. My son had huge reactions to gluten and none to casein, I also babysit another autistic boy same age and is just the opposite, he has huge reactions to the casein but not the gluten. It got very hard to do both the diets so I both gluten and casein free while I was babysitting. I can say to take

gluten out of my son's diet has had this affect: no more seizures as he was having them 7+ times a day, screaming all day long, gut pain that sometimes woke him up screaming every 20 minutes, no eye contact general acting autistic. He was diagnosed severely autistic over 2 years ago and put him on the diet right away. The seizures took about 3 days to slow down and 2 weeks before they were gone. The gluten is much harder than the casein in my opinion but some may not think so. Gluten for us mean, no cross contamination, not preparing any gluten free food around gluten surfaces like cutting boards, toasters. We had to get a different toaster and write gluten free on it. Make sure everyone in the house complied with the rules. We ate oats for the 1st 2 weeks not really understanding what gluten really was. I had a cracker in my salt shaker because we live on the coast and it kept our salt from clumping up, we couldn't eat out, or eat food in front of our child. Wheat

is an extremely hard protein for the body to process and one of the hardest I believe. It takes 8 months of being consistent on the diet to be out of the system. Because my son did not have problems with casein I did not do that diet. He got so much better and after about 8 months it was like a cloud lifting. Although we could see results right away and it got better everyday. But it was about 9 months when it really seemed to lift. I decided to do the same with casein and it didn't make a dramatic affect and we put it in and took it out a few times I can only say he in general seemed in a better mood and slept better. So gluten made a 90% difference and casein about 5%. We have since then took out other foods, sugars we are going for the SCD but not completely there. He is doing much better and just the other day something remarkable happened: I was by my car and the neighbor girl dropped some lego's. One about 20 feet away rolled about 6 feet from her into the

driveway. My son Terran is 4 1/2 and he stopped what he was doing looked 20 feet away said "uho! What's that?" and ran to it and picked it up. The little girl said that is mine can I have it? He said "ok, here you go. She said thank you and he said your welcome. No prompting, no guiding. My son has never said your welcome, and if he found a toy he would take it and not give it back and certainly not respond to any child in that manner. I just cried, that was last week and I am still crying. Nikki Barbieri <nikkibarbieriyahoo (DOT) ca> wrote: Thanks Stan and everyone else who replied to my post.It is very much appreciated. My son did horribly on SCD diet.He was also on GFCF diet for 3 yrs.He does not have issues with gluten according to all tests but does over eat carbs like alot of ASD kids.As he gets

older he is resisting the foods we give him but we are trying to get him to eat healthier. My son actually started talking once I added back gluten at the age of 4 +.He was definately lacking something.Before that he had 5 words that he continued to lose.He now speaks with single words and is trying to string together sentences like ...I want.... Just wondering if any one has had positive results on this protocol despite not doing SCD or GFCF??? Thanks again!Stan Kurtz <stankurtzgmail> wrote: I don't know enough about your child to answer this. Plus I typically speak in terms of my child or what I have read and heard, etc. Your child to me sounds really sick and infected. I am a fan of high doses and rotating many types of

antifungals through (Sid Baker's Antifungal Parade). In many ways this makes sense to me, but you have to take your individual child and your own tolerances into consideration.You are really uncomfortable with this and your child is giving you some signs that he/she may have some trouble with it. It's probably because your child is really sick wtih really high amounts of fungus and bacteria and who knows maybe viruses.It's possible the bladder infection was caused by infections changing and the die off. Typically bladder infections are bacterially based as I understand. So, that said I would work on an SCD type of diet, meaning lessening the carbs and starches along with GF/CF. This will often help reduce the bacterial levels. I would start a probiotic parade with different probiotics in high doses during the day. I would work my way up. The whole time I would also have an antifungal onboard maybe at a low level and

working my way up as well. Once the bacteria and fungus were managed I would start looking at a viral strategy.The goal for me in this situation would be to read my child's infectious symptoms and realize that bacteria, fungus and virus all have a relationship with each other and that my child was showing bacterial signs when I added antifungals and use that as a guide to pickup my bacterial strategy before picking up my fungal strategy and then when that is somewhat under control consider the third part of the triangle, viruses. It's not just about how to approach antifungals, it's how to approach your childs blend of infections.Hopefully you'll get to the place where you can do the parade but first I would get the whole infectious strategy that is best for my child in place.My best,- Stan>> HI to all!> > I need help making a decision to do anti fungal parade or not.My son > started with S.Boulardii as per doctor.He ended up with bladder > infection so we did NOT proceed to AmphoB as directed.My son was having > several urine accidents per day despite being toilet trained for almost > 3 years.> > The AMphoB is REALLY expensive especially when you have to double up > the dose while doing parade.> > Should I just fill the RX's a rotate a couple of anti fungals instead > of doing parade?> > What does Stan think of anti fungal parade?> > Thank YA!> "To accomplish great things, we must not only act, wemust dream; not only plan but also believe."

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We did test urine and blood for food sencitivity, and results came with gluten, casein intolerance.This is how we knew. Serafina Luce wrote: How do you know if your child needs CF or GF diet--how does a parent suppose to know--Anyone Please------wendy campbell <wendydoula4u> wrote: I have had positive results from the diet. I think it has been the biggest

contributer to him healing. My son had huge reactions to gluten and none to casein, I also babysit another autistic boy same age and is just the opposite, he has huge reactions to the casein but not the gluten. It got very hard to do both the diets so I both gluten and casein free while I was babysitting. I can say to take gluten out of my son's diet has had this affect: no more seizures as he was having them 7+ times a day, screaming all day long, gut pain that sometimes woke him up screaming every 20 minutes, no eye contact general acting autistic. He was diagnosed severely autistic over 2 years ago and put him on the diet right away. The seizures took about 3 days to slow down and 2 weeks before they were gone. The gluten is much harder than the casein in my opinion but some may not think so. Gluten for us mean, no cross contamination, not preparing any gluten free food around gluten surfaces like cutting boards, toasters. We had to get a different toaster and

write gluten free on it. Make sure everyone in the house complied with the rules. We ate oats for the 1st 2 weeks not really understanding what gluten really was. I had a cracker in my salt shaker because we live on the coast and it kept our salt from clumping up, we couldn't eat out, or eat food in front of our child. Wheat is an extremely hard protein for the body to process and one of the hardest I believe. It takes 8 months of being consistent on the diet to be out of the system. Because my son did not have problems with casein I did not do that diet. He got so much better and after about 8 months it was like a cloud lifting. Although we could see results right away and it got better everyday. But it was about 9 months when it really seemed to lift. I decided to do the same with casein and it didn't make a dramatic affect and we put it in and took it out a few times I can only say he in general seemed in a better mood and slept better. So gluten made a 90% difference

and casein about 5%. We have since then took out other foods, sugars we are going for the SCD but not completely there. He is doing much better and just the other day something remarkable happened: I was by my car and the neighbor girl dropped some lego's. One about 20 feet away rolled about 6 feet from her into the driveway. My son Terran is 4 1/2 and he stopped what he was doing looked 20 feet away said "uho! What's that?" and ran to it and picked it up. The little girl said that is mine can I have it? He said "ok, here you go. She said thank you and he said your welcome. No prompting, no guiding. My son has never said your welcome, and if he found a toy he would take it and not give it back and certainly not respond to any child in that manner. I just cried, that was last week and I am still crying. Nikki Barbieri <nikkibarbieriyahoo (DOT) ca> wrote: Thanks Stan and everyone else who replied to my post.It is very much appreciated. My son did horribly on SCD diet.He was also on GFCF diet for 3 yrs.He does not have issues with gluten according to all tests but does over eat carbs like alot of ASD kids.As he gets older he is resisting the foods we give him but we are trying to get him to eat healthier. My son actually started talking once I added back gluten at the age of 4 +.He was definately lacking something.Before that he had 5 words that he continued to lose.He now speaks with single words and is trying to string together sentences like ...I want.... Just wondering if any one has had positive results on this protocol despite not doing SCD or GFCF??? Thanks again!Stan Kurtz <stankurtzgmail> wrote: I don't know enough about your child to answer this. Plus I typically speak in terms of my child or what I have read and heard, etc. Your child to me sounds really sick and infected. I am a fan of high doses and rotating many types of antifungals through (Sid Baker's Antifungal Parade). In many ways this makes sense to me, but you have to take your individual child and your own tolerances into consideration.You are really uncomfortable with this and your child is giving you some signs that he/she may have some trouble with it. It's probably because your child is really sick wtih really high amounts of fungus and bacteria and who knows maybe viruses.It's possible the bladder infection was caused by infections changing and the die off. Typically bladder infections are bacterially based as I understand. So, that said I would work on an

SCD type of diet, meaning lessening the carbs and starches along with GF/CF. This will often help reduce the bacterial levels. I would start a probiotic parade with different probiotics in high doses during the day. I would work my way up. The whole time I would also have an antifungal onboard maybe at a low level and working my way up as well. Once the bacteria and fungus were managed I would start looking at a viral strategy.The goal for me in this situation would be to read my child's infectious symptoms and realize that bacteria, fungus and virus all have a relationship with each other and that my child was showing bacterial signs when I added antifungals and use that as a guide to pickup my bacterial strategy before picking up my fungal strategy and then when that is somewhat under control consider the third part of the triangle, viruses. It's not just about how to approach antifungals, it's how to approach your

childs blend of infections.Hopefully you'll get to the place where you can do the parade but first I would get the whole infectious strategy that is best for my child in place.My best,- Stan>> HI to all!> > I need help making a decision to do anti fungal parade or not.My son > started with S.Boulardii as per doctor.He ended up with bladder > infection so we did NOT proceed to AmphoB as directed.My son was having > several urine accidents per day despite being toilet trained for almost > 3 years.> > The AMphoB is REALLY expensive especially when you have to double up > the dose while doing parade.> > Should I just fill the RX's a rotate a couple of anti fungals instead > of doing

parade?> > What does Stan think of anti fungal parade?> > Thank YA!> "To accomplish great things, we must not only act, wemust dream; not only plan but also believe." Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!

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> He was also on GFCF diet for 3 yrs.He does not have issues with

> gluten according to all tests but does over eat carbs like alot of

> ASD kids.As he gets older he is resisting the foods we give him but

> we are trying to get him to eat healthier.

I think that sometimes we, as ASD parents, forget that typical kids

do this too. I know plenty of kids that will only eat pancakes and

hot dogs! Picky eaters are just part of having kids, asd or not.

>

> Just wondering if any one has had positive results on this protocol

> despite not doing SCD or GFCF???

My son is not gfcf or scd and we are still having success. He is cow

milk free along with foods that have a naturally high allergen

factor, ie. whole grains, nuts, tropical fruit, berries, etc. We did

an allergy panel but our doctor doesn't believe in restricting foods

based on the first panel. He believes that we take the first panel

as a baseline, work on the immune system and then retest.

Cheryl

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Cheryl's right, I was a picky eater and I know lots of kids who will only eat chicken nuggets and french fries. Ours was totally anorexic, could and would go days and days without eating, that's something different.

Re: Re: SECOND POST!help,please....Do anti fungal parade or regualr doses?

> He was also on GFCF diet for 3 yrs.He does not have issues with > gluten according to all tests but does over eat carbs like alot of > ASD kids.As he gets older he is resisting the foods we give him but > we are trying to get him to eat healthier.I think that sometimes we, as ASD parents, forget that typical kids do this too. I know plenty of kids that will only eat pancakes and hot dogs! Picky eaters are just part of having kids, asd or not.>> Just wondering if any one has had positive results on this protocol > despite not doing SCD or GFCF???My son is not gfcf or scd and we are still having success. He is cow milk free along with foods that have a naturally high allergen factor, ie. whole grains, nuts, tropical fruit, berries, etc. We did an allergy panel but our doctor doesn't believe in restricting foods based on the first panel. He believes that we take the first panel as a baseline, work on the immune system and then retest.Cheryl

[Guest guest]

,

There are many tests you can do.

Scratch allergy tests, gut biopsies by a GI, gluten and casein peptide blood

test, IGg test, etc. My son did not show an allergy to Gluten in any of

these other than just barely on the IGg. BUT he is now showing absence

seizures and tourettes like hand movements when he steals something with gluten

in it. Gluten and casein free diets should at least be tried for most of

our kids. I was too slow in being meticulous about it. It can also

take a really long time to see the results after removal. Dairy was noticeably

a negative for us immediately but I didn’t see the gluten as much of an

issue, but I was really wrong about that. Gluten infractions are now one

of my biggest fears of going anywhere (my son is a huge food stealer, like a

crack addict stealing his fix). The gut is a huge factor in Autism, and

fungus and leaky gut are completely connected to what is going on in the brain.

-

From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of sera levin

Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007

2:05 PM

To: mb12 valtrex

Subject: Re: Re:

SECOND POST!help,please....Do anti fungal parade or regualr doses?

We did test urine and blood for food sencitivity, and results came with

gluten, casein intolerance.This is how we knew.

Serafina

Luce

<williamjlucejr> wrote:

How do you know if your child needs CF or GF diet--how does a parent

suppose to know--Anyone Please------

wendy campbell <wendydoula4u>

wrote:

I have had positive results from the diet. I think it has been the

biggest contributer to him healing. My son had huge reactions to gluten and

none to casein, I also babysit another autistic boy same age and is just the

opposite, he has huge reactions to the casein but not the gluten. It got very

hard to do both the diets so I both gluten and casein free while I was

babysitting. I can say to take gluten out of my son's diet has had this affect:

no more seizures as he was having them 7+ times a day, screaming all day long,

gut pain that sometimes woke him up screaming every 20 minutes, no eye contact

general acting autistic. He was diagnosed severely autistic over 2 years ago

and put him on the diet right away. The seizures took about 3 days to slow down

and 2 weeks before they were gone. The gluten is much harder than the casein in

my opinion but some may not think so.

Gluten for us mean, no cross contamination, not preparing any gluten free food

around gluten surfaces like cutting boards, toasters. We had to get a different

toaster and write gluten free on it. Make sure everyone in the house complied

with the rules. We ate oats for the 1st 2 weeks not really understanding what

gluten really was. I had a cracker in my salt shaker because we live on the

coast and it kept our salt from clumping up, we couldn't eat out, or eat food

in front of our child. Wheat is an extremely hard protein for the body to

process and one of the hardest I believe. It takes 8 months of being consistent

on the diet to be out of the system. Because my son did not have problems with

casein I did not do that diet. He got so much better and after about 8 months

it was like a cloud lifting. Although we could see results right away and it

got better everyday. But it was about 9 months when it really seemed to lift. I

decided to do the same with casein and it didn't make a dramatic affect and we

put it in and took it out a few times I can only say he in general seemed in a

better mood and slept better. So gluten made a 90% difference and casein about

5%. We have since then took out other foods, sugars we are going for the SCD

but not completely there. He is doing much better and just the other day

something remarkable happened:

I was by my car and the neighbor girl dropped some lego's. One about 20 feet

away rolled about 6 feet from her into the driveway. My son Terran is 4 1/2 and

he stopped what he was doing looked 20 feet away said " uho! What's

that? " and ran to it and picked it up. The little girl said that is mine

can I have it? He said " ok, here you go. She said thank you and he said

your welcome. No prompting, no guiding. My son has never said your welcome, and

if he found a toy he would take it and not give it back and certainly not

respond to any child in that manner. I just cried, that was last week and I am

still crying.

Nikki Barbieri

<nikkibarbieriyahoo (DOT) ca> wrote:

Thanks Stan and everyone else who replied to my post.It is very much

appreciated.

My son did horribly on SCD diet.He was also on GFCF diet for 3 yrs.He

does not have issues with gluten according to all tests but does over eat carbs

like alot of ASD kids.As he gets older he is resisting the foods we give him

but we are trying to get him to eat healthier.

My son actually started talking once I added back gluten at the age of

4 +.He was definately lacking something.Before that he had 5 words that he

continued to lose.He now speaks with single words and is trying to string

together sentences like ...I want....

Just wondering if any one has had positive results on this protocol

despite not doing SCD or GFCF???

Thanks again!

Stan Kurtz <stankurtzgmail> wrote:

I don't know enough about

your child to answer this. Plus I typically speak in terms of my

child or what I have read and heard, etc.

Your child to me sounds really sick and infected. I am a fan of high doses and

rotating

many types of antifungals through (Sid Baker's Antifungal Parade). In many ways

this

makes sense to me, but you have to take your individual child and your own

tolerances

into consideration.

You are really uncomfortable with this and your child is giving you some signs

that he/she

may have some trouble with it. It's probably because your child is really sick

wtih really

high amounts of fungus and bacteria and who knows maybe viruses.

It's possible the bladder infection was caused by infections changing and the

die off.

Typically bladder infections are bacterially based as I understand. So, that said

I would

work on an SCD type of diet, meaning lessening the carbs and starches along

with GF/CF.

This will often help reduce the bacterial levels. I would start a probiotic

parade with

different probiotics in high doses during the day. I would work my way up. The

whole

time I would also have an antifungal onboard maybe at a low level and working

my way up

as well.

Once the bacteria and fungus were managed I would start looking at a viral

strategy.

The goal for me in this situation would be to read my child's infectious

symptoms and

realize that bacteria, fungus and virus all have a relationship with each other

and that my

child was showing bacterial signs when I added antifungals and use that as a

guide to

pickup my bacterial strategy before picking up my fungal strategy and then when

that is

somewhat under control consider the third part of the triangle, viruses.

It's not just about how to approach antifungals, it's how to approach your

childs blend of

infections.

Hopefully you'll get to the place where you can do the parade but first I would

get the

whole infectious strategy that is best for my child in place.

My best,

- Stan

>

> HI to all!

>

> I need help making a decision to do anti fungal parade or not.My son

> started with S.Boulardii as per doctor.He ended up with bladder

> infection so we did NOT proceed to AmphoB as directed.My son was having

> several urine accidents per day despite being toilet trained for almost

> 3 years.

>

> The AMphoB is REALLY expensive especially when you have to double up

> the dose while doing parade.

>

> Should I just fill the RX's a rotate a couple of anti fungals instead

> of doing parade?

>

> What does Stan think of anti fungal parade?

>

> Thank YA!

>

" To accomplish great

things, we must not only act, we

must dream; not only plan but also believe. "

Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to

Yahoo! Answers.

Got a little couch potato?

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Also autistic children are not specifically allergic to gluten or casein and most times it is the children that may eat a lot of these things that falsely cause a test (in some types of testing) to inaccurately say they are allergic. People who are allergic and have avoided something for a long time might not show on a test that they are allergic to it. My point being is that Autistic children have a hard time digesting these certain proteins that cause more autistic type behavior so sometimes testing helps and sometimes it does not. Chap 'n Ali wrote: , There are many tests you can do. Scratch allergy tests, gut biopsies by a GI, gluten and casein peptide blood test, IGg test, etc. My son did not show an allergy to Gluten in any of these other than just barely on the IGg. BUT he is now showing absence seizures and tourettes like hand movements when he steals something with gluten in it. Gluten and casein free diets should at least be tried for most of our kids. I was too slow in being meticulous about it. It can also take a really long time to see the results after removal. Dairy was noticeably a negative for us immediately but I didn’t see the

gluten as much of an issue, but I was really wrong about that. Gluten infractions are now one of my biggest fears of going anywhere (my son is a huge food stealer, like a crack addict stealing his fix). The gut is a huge factor in Autism, and fungus and leaky gut are completely connected to what is going on in the brain. - From: mb12 valtrex [mailto:mb12 valtrex ] On Behalf Of sera levin Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:05 PM To: mb12 valtrex Subject: Re: Re: SECOND POST!help,please....Do anti fungal parade or regualr doses? We did test urine and blood for food sencitivity, and results came with gluten, casein intolerance.This is how we

knew. Serafina Luce <williamjlucejr> wrote: How do you know if your child needs CF or GF diet--how does a parent suppose to know--Anyone Please------ wendy campbell <wendydoula4u> wrote: I have had positive results from the diet. I think it

has been the biggest contributer to him healing. My son had huge reactions to gluten and none to casein, I also babysit another autistic boy same age and is just the opposite, he has huge reactions to the casein but not the gluten. It got very hard to do both the diets so I both gluten and casein free while I was babysitting. I can say to take gluten out of my son's diet has had this affect: no more seizures as he was having them 7+ times a day, screaming all day long, gut pain that sometimes woke him up screaming every 20 minutes, no eye contact general acting autistic. He was diagnosed severely autistic over 2 years ago and put him on the diet right away. The seizures took about 3 days to slow down and 2 weeks before they were gone. The gluten is much harder than the casein in my opinion but some may not think so. Gluten for us mean, no cross contamination, not preparing any gluten free food around gluten surfaces like cutting boards, toasters. We had to get a

different toaster and write gluten free on it. Make sure everyone in the house complied with the rules. We ate oats for the 1st 2 weeks not really understanding what gluten really was. I had a cracker in my salt shaker because we live on the coast and it kept our salt from clumping up, we couldn't eat out, or eat food in front of our child. Wheat is an extremely hard protein for the body to process and one of the hardest I believe. It takes 8 months of being consistent on the diet to be out of the system. Because my son did not have problems with casein I did not do that diet. He got so much better and after about 8 months it was like a cloud lifting. Although we could see results right away and it got better everyday. But it was about 9 months when it really seemed to lift. I decided to do the same with casein and it didn't make a dramatic affect and we put it in and took it out a few times I can only say he in general seemed in a better mood and slept better. So gluten

made a 90% difference and casein about 5%. We have since then took out other foods, sugars we are going for the SCD but not completely there. He is doing much better and just the other day something remarkable happened: I was by my car and the neighbor girl dropped some lego's. One about 20 feet away rolled about 6 feet from her into the driveway. My son Terran is 4 1/2 and he stopped what he was doing looked 20 feet away said "uho! What's that?" and ran to it and picked it up. The little girl said that is mine can I have it? He said "ok, here you go. She said thank you and he said your welcome. No prompting, no guiding. My son has never said your welcome, and if he found a toy he would take it and not give it back and certainly not respond to any child in that manner. I just cried, that was last week and I am still crying. Nikki Barbieri <nikkibarbieriyahoo (DOT) ca> wrote:

Thanks Stan and everyone else who replied to my post.It is very much appreciated. My son did horribly on SCD diet.He was also on GFCF diet for 3 yrs.He does not have issues with gluten according to all tests but does over eat carbs like alot of ASD kids.As he gets older he is resisting the foods we give him but we are trying to get him to eat healthier. My son actually started talking once I added back gluten at the age of 4 +.He was definately lacking something.Before that he had 5 words that he continued to lose.He now speaks with single words and is trying to string together sentences like ...I want.... Just wondering if any one has had positive results on this protocol despite not doing SCD or GFCF??? Thanks again! Stan Kurtz <stankurtzgmail> wrote: I don't know enough about your child to answer this. Plus I typically speak in terms of my child or what I have read and heard, etc. Your child to me sounds really sick and infected. I am a fan of high doses and rotating many types of antifungals through (Sid Baker's Antifungal Parade). In many ways this makes sense to me, but you have to take your individual child and your own tolerances into consideration. You are really uncomfortable with this and your child is giving you some signs that he/she may have some trouble with it.

It's probably because your child is really sick wtih really high amounts of fungus and bacteria and who knows maybe viruses. It's possible the bladder infection was caused by infections changing and the die off. Typically bladder infections are bacterially based as I understand. So, that said I would work on an SCD type of diet, meaning lessening the carbs and starches along with GF/CF. This will often help reduce the bacterial levels. I would start a probiotic parade with different probiotics in high doses during the day. I would work my way up. The whole time I would also have an antifungal onboard maybe at a low level and working my way up as well. Once the bacteria and fungus were managed I would start looking at a viral strategy. The goal for me in this situation would be to read my child's infectious symptoms and realize that bacteria, fungus and virus all have a relationship with each other and that

my child was showing bacterial signs when I added antifungals and use that as a guide to pickup my bacterial strategy before picking up my fungal strategy and then when that is somewhat under control consider the third part of the triangle, viruses. It's not just about how to approach antifungals, it's how to approach your childs blend of infections. Hopefully you'll get to the place where you can do the parade but first I would get the whole infectious strategy that is best for my child in place. My best, - Stan > > HI to all! > > I need help making a decision to do anti fungal parade or not.My son > started with S.Boulardii as per doctor.He ended up with bladder > infection so we did NOT proceed to AmphoB as

directed.My son was having > several urine accidents per day despite being toilet trained for almost > 3 years. > > The AMphoB is REALLY expensive especially when you have to double up > the dose while doing parade. > > Should I just fill the RX's a rotate a couple of anti fungals instead > of doing parade? > > What does Stan think of anti fungal parade? > > Thank YA! > "To accomplish great things, we must not only act, we

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You can do gluten/casein test with Great Plains Lab. But ussually doctors suggest to do couple of weeks trial on a diet Nataliasera levin wrote: We did test urine and blood for food sencitivity, and results came with gluten, casein intolerance.This is how we knew. Serafina Luce <williamjlucejr> wrote: How do you know if your

child needs CF or GF diet--how does a parent suppose to know--Anyone Please------wendy campbell <wendydoula4u> wrote: I have had positive results from the diet. I think it has been the biggest contributer to him healing. My son had huge reactions to gluten and none to casein, I also babysit another autistic boy same age and is just the opposite, he has huge reactions to the casein but not the gluten. It got very hard to do both the diets so I both gluten and casein free while I was babysitting. I can say to take gluten out of my son's diet has had this affect: no more seizures as he was having them 7+ times a day, screaming all day long, gut pain that sometimes woke him up screaming every 20 minutes, no eye contact general acting autistic. He was diagnosed severely autistic over 2 years ago and put him on the diet right away. The seizures

took about 3 days to slow down and 2 weeks before they were gone. The gluten is much harder than the casein in my opinion but some may not think so. Gluten for us mean, no cross contamination, not preparing any gluten free food around gluten surfaces like cutting boards, toasters. We had to get a different toaster and write gluten free on it. Make sure everyone in the house complied with the rules. We ate oats for the 1st 2 weeks not really understanding what gluten really was. I had a cracker in my salt shaker because we live on the coast and it kept our salt from clumping up, we couldn't eat out, or eat food in front of our child. Wheat is an extremely hard protein for the body to process and one of the hardest I believe. It takes 8 months of being consistent on the diet to be out of the system. Because my son did not have problems with casein I did not do that diet. He got so much better and after about 8 months it was like a cloud lifting. Although we could see

results right away and it got better everyday. But it was about 9 months when it really seemed to lift. I decided to do the same with casein and it didn't make a dramatic affect and we put it in and took it out a few times I can only say he in general seemed in a better mood and slept better. So gluten made a 90% difference and casein about 5%. We have since then took out other foods, sugars we are going for the SCD but not completely there. He is doing much better and just the other day something remarkable happened: I was by my car and the neighbor girl dropped some lego's. One about 20 feet away rolled about 6 feet from her into the driveway. My son Terran is 4 1/2 and he stopped what he was doing looked 20 feet away said "uho! What's that?" and ran to it and picked it up. The little girl said that is mine can I have it? He said "ok, here you go. She said thank you and he said your welcome. No prompting, no guiding. My son has never said your welcome, and if he

found a toy he would take it and not give it back and certainly not respond to any child in that manner. I just cried, that was last week and I am still crying. Nikki Barbieri <nikkibarbieriyahoo (DOT) ca> wrote: Thanks Stan and everyone else who replied to my post.It is very much appreciated. My son did horribly on SCD diet.He was also on GFCF diet for 3 yrs.He does not have issues with gluten according to all tests but does over eat carbs like alot of ASD kids.As he gets older he is resisting the foods we give him but we are trying to get him to eat healthier. My son actually started talking once I added back gluten at the age of 4 +.He was definately lacking something.Before that he had 5 words that he continued to lose.He now speaks with single words and is trying to

string together sentences like ...I want.... Just wondering if any one has had positive results on this protocol despite not doing SCD or GFCF??? Thanks again!Stan Kurtz <stankurtzgmail> wrote: I don't know enough about your child to answer this. Plus I typically speak in terms of my child or what I have read and heard, etc. Your child to me sounds really sick and infected. I am a fan of high doses and rotating many types of antifungals through (Sid Baker's Antifungal Parade). In many ways this makes sense to me, but you have to take your individual child and your own tolerances into consideration.You are really uncomfortable with this and your child is giving you some signs that he/she may have some trouble with it. It's probably

because your child is really sick wtih really high amounts of fungus and bacteria and who knows maybe viruses.It's possible the bladder infection was caused by infections changing and the die off. Typically bladder infections are bacterially based as I understand. So, that said I would work on an SCD type of diet, meaning lessening the carbs and starches along with GF/CF. This will often help reduce the bacterial levels. I would start a probiotic parade with different probiotics in high doses during the day. I would work my way up. The whole time I would also have an antifungal onboard maybe at a low level and working my way up as well. Once the bacteria and fungus were managed I would start looking at a viral strategy.The goal for me in this situation would be to read my child's infectious symptoms and realize that bacteria, fungus and virus all have a relationship with each other and that my child was showing

bacterial signs when I added antifungals and use that as a guide to pickup my bacterial strategy before picking up my fungal strategy and then when that is somewhat under control consider the third part of the triangle, viruses. It's not just about how to approach antifungals, it's how to approach your childs blend of infections.Hopefully you'll get to the place where you can do the parade but first I would get the whole infectious strategy that is best for my child in place.My best,- Stan>> HI to all!> > I need help making a decision to do anti fungal parade or not.My son > started with S.Boulardii as per doctor.He ended up with bladder > infection so we did NOT proceed to AmphoB as directed.My son was having > several

urine accidents per day despite being toilet trained for almost > 3 years.> > The AMphoB is REALLY expensive especially when you have to double up > the dose while doing parade.> > Should I just fill the RX's a rotate a couple of anti fungals instead > of doing parade?> > What does Stan think of anti fungal parade?> > Thank YA!> "To accomplish great things, we must not only act, wemust dream; not only plan but also believe." Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. Regards Natalia Ibbott