Re: Soy Protein Isn't So Bad?

[Guest guest]

The salient measurement omitted in this study would have been

increases in estradiols, especially E2.

For a synoptic overview of the multiple dangers associated with soy

usage (with abundant scientific references) see:

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

Soy protein was once said to be excellent for women and eunuchs, but

that is now not the case.

best regards,

Ken ONeill

Austin, Texas

kayoneill@...

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> Effect of protein source and resistance training on body composition

and sex

> hormones

>

> Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 2007, 4:4 (Free

> Open Source Journal)

>

> http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-4-4.pdf

>

> " " This investigation shows that 12 week supplementation with soy

protein does not decrease serum testosterone or inhibit lean body mass

changes in subjects engaged in a resistance exercise program. " "

>

> Driscoll

> Exercise Physiologist and Sports Dietitian

> B.Sc. Exercise Science and Nutrition

> M.Sc. Exercise Rehabilitation and Nutrition/Dietetics

> AEP ASp AMS APD CSCS

> MAAESS MSDA

> BEFITting Image Training Nutrition Rehabilitation

> Supertraining Australia

>

[Guest guest]

There are some interesting observations in this study:

1. The tested peple were non athletes who were mostly new to lifing, the

differentiation being more than 3 months experience and less than 3 months

experience. The positive effect of training on body composition and

hormonal profile was confirmed by this study - no surprise there.

2. In the whey blend group analysis of the in group data showed a

statistical decrease in the amount of estradiol over the 12 weeks but non

significant reductions in estradiol in other groups.

3. Although non

significant trends were found the researchers suggested that more tetsing to

confirm dosage dependency. There was some indication that higher dosages of

soy may increase the effect of the issoflavins.

4. A significant decrease in the profile of mood status vigor in the soy

concentrate group was observed.

5. It is interesting to note that this same group (SC) consumed

significantly less protein in their daily diet after 12 weeks than they did

at the start of the study. (food consumption was not controlled)

I think that this study did reveal that soy may have effects, but that that

resistance training has more influence on men new to training. What about

those of us in the masters world where every mg of testosterone is valuable?

I remain cautious about high soy consumption, but don't feel that I will

become a eunuch.

Best Regards

Nick Tatalias

Johannesburg

South Africa

>

> The salient measurement omitted in this study would have been

> increases in estradiols, especially E2.

>

> For a synoptic overview of the multiple dangers associated with soy

> usage (with abundant scientific references) see:

> http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

>

> Soy protein was once said to be excellent for women and eunuchs, but

> that is now not the case.

>

> best regards,

> Ken ONeill

> Austin, Texas

> kayoneill@... <kayoneill%40earthlink.net>

>

>

> >

> > Effect of protein source and resistance training on body composition

> and sex

> > hormones

> >

> > Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 2007, 4:4 (Free

> > Open Source Journal)

> >

> > http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-4-4.pdf

> >

> > " " This investigation shows that 12 week supplementation with soy

> protein does not decrease serum testosterone or inhibit lean body mass

> changes in subjects engaged in a resistance exercise program. " "

> >

> > Driscoll

> > Exercise Physiologist and Sports Dietitian

> > B.Sc. Exercise Science and Nutrition

> > M.Sc. Exercise Rehabilitation and Nutrition/Dietetics

> > AEP ASp AMS APD CSCS

> > MAAESS MSDA

> > BEFITting Image Training Nutrition Rehabilitation

> > Supertraining Australia

[Guest guest]

Well, if you want to believe this quackery from Weston Price

Foundation and its unusually well-financed and highly contentious

advocates, go right ahead -- but you won't find this rubbish

supported by anyone with decent handle on how evidence-based science

works in the real world.

Go read the archives and learn something. I'm fed up with this

garbage science and the loonies that push it.

Just as too much red meat in the diet is likely not good for us,

consuming unusually high amounts of soy may not be either. Distorting

the evidence and creating absurd conclusions based on extrapolations

is the unremarkable tool of the pseudo scientists that plague us all.

Gympie, Australia

> >

> > Effect of protein source and resistance training on body

composition

> and sex

> > hormones

> >

> > Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 2007,

4:4 (Free

> > Open Source Journal)

> >

> > http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-4-4.pdf

> >

> > " " This investigation shows that 12 week supplementation with soy

> protein does not decrease serum testosterone or inhibit lean body

mass

> changes in subjects engaged in a resistance exercise program. " "

> >

> > Driscoll

> > Exercise Physiologist and Sports Dietitian

> > B.Sc. Exercise Science and Nutrition

> > M.Sc. Exercise Rehabilitation and Nutrition/Dietetics

> > AEP ASp AMS APD CSCS

> > MAAESS MSDA

> > BEFITting Image Training Nutrition Rehabilitation

> > Supertraining Australia

> >

>

[Guest guest]

At the expense of seeming contentious, I must ask our friend from Down

Under what, other than the understanding of a bloody drango or

militancy of one in post-hypnotic control of the American cartel of

pharmaceuatical/food/FDA/nutritional " schools " endorsements of Big

Business might lead him to autodidactically pronounce Weston-Price

Foundation as " quackery " . That pronouncement is especially odd since

W-P is far more in alignment with the newer and emerging

anti-aging/life-extension/sports medicine findings and orientations.

Soy was removed from the American toxic foods list in the 1950s, only

after Kodak lobbied (read, bribed) Congress to do so. At that time

Kodak was the largest American presser of soy beans for their oil,

largely for then hydrogenating to make oleo-margerine, a substance

widely used to promote arterial disease. Kodak had tons of rubbish to

deal with, so getting it removed from the toxic list enabled

development of 'texturized vegetable protein' and other crap often

among hidden ingredients in " food " .

It takes a discerning eye to comprehend what is evidence based science

and what is food industry propaganda and, at times, outright lies and

deceptions. At least here in the USA, the food industry and

pharmaceutical industry took control of science in the 1930s, during

the Great Depression. By funding a small, selected number of graduate

schools, those industries took over. Allopathic or patented medicine

gained its stronghold at that time, now dominating American Medicine.

Much the same occured with the food industry. Those industries, the

university departments, and the Food and Drug Administration play

musical chairs in staffing key positions. So corrupt is the FDA system

that a pharmaceutical company can counter documented evidence by

putting together a panel of " scientists " - all with direct or soft

money connections to the industry - who then will counter inconvenient

truths. That's not science but is pure ethical disbandment - the

individuals should be lined up for a firing squad. (We cannot suggest

castration since such behavior suggests the absence of male qualities).

I, too, am in favor of science. In order to get to science, we'll have

to move out of the colonial imperialism of Western Science and the

tyranny of generally accepted dominant paradigms which Max Planck

warned of long ago.

best regards,

Ken ONeill

Austin, Texas

kayoneill@

> > >

> > > Effect of protein source and resistance training on body

> composition

> > and sex

> > > hormones

> > >

> > > Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 2007,

> 4:4 (Free

> > > Open Source Journal)

> > >

> > > http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-4-4.pdf

> > >

> > > " " This investigation shows that 12 week supplementation with soy

> > protein does not decrease serum testosterone or inhibit lean body

> mass

> > changes in subjects engaged in a resistance exercise program. " "

> > >

> > > Driscoll

> > > Exercise Physiologist and Sports Dietitian

> > > B.Sc. Exercise Science and Nutrition

> > > M.Sc. Exercise Rehabilitation and Nutrition/Dietetics

> > > AEP ASp AMS APD CSCS

> > > MAAESS MSDA

> > > BEFITting Image Training Nutrition Rehabilitation

> > > Supertraining Australia

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ken,

I trust you have recovered from your post-abduction traumatic stress.

Did the beam hurt at all?

I should warn you that even now, as you protesteth the soy, two

billion soy eaters from the east are descending upon your very door,

the purpose of which is to dispel by their very numbers and vigor,

any insinuation that soy is indeed toxic and causeth the male member

to shrivel as to the size of a peanut.

Good luck Ken: the soy man cometh. (Hint: hold up strips of red meat

in the shape of a crucifix.)

Gympie, Australia

> > > >

> > > > Effect of protein source and resistance training on body

> > composition

> > > and sex

> > > > hormones

> > > >

> > > > Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 2007,

> > 4:4 (Free

> > > > Open Source Journal)

> > > >

> > > > http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-4-4.pdf

> > > >

> > > > " " This investigation shows that 12 week supplementation with

soy

> > > protein does not decrease serum testosterone or inhibit lean

body

> > mass

> > > changes in subjects engaged in a resistance exercise program. " "

> > > >

> > > > Driscoll

> > > > Exercise Physiologist and Sports Dietitian

> > > > B.Sc. Exercise Science and Nutrition

> > > > M.Sc. Exercise Rehabilitation and Nutrition/Dietetics

> > > > AEP ASp AMS APD CSCS

> > > > MAAESS MSDA

> > > > BEFITting Image Training Nutrition Rehabilitation

> > > > Supertraining Australia

> > > >

> > >

> >

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