Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 duncan unfortunately you tend to always oversimplify things maybe because you sell a glutathione precursor. first off, andy cutler does not disparage glutathione. if you read what he says carefully he agrees with you. but his scope is larger and more informed. what he does say is listen to your body. mercury wreaks havoc with so many functions that it is impossible to predict what's going to happen when you play with it. andy cutler at least has the sense to recognize this. increasing glutathione should stimulate some sort of natural cleansing reaction--presumably through the liver. and what if the liver is plugged? then you are overstimulating bile flow, and where will it go? leaking out somewhere and causing more harm than good. and what about other detoxification pathways that are as of yet undiscovered. glutathione was discovered in this century. surely this is not the ultimate panacea. if it were, then everyone who was sick would just down some immunocal and voila, instant cure. i think the glutathione route is a great way to go if a person has a certain level of health. otherwise it is very important to just listen to what the body is doing and also apply common sense. there is also the matter of how a person's body wants to manufacture glutathione. some people are allergic to dairy so immunocal might not be right. and then there is the issue that the person might have an overabundance of some of the amino acids necessary for making glutathione and short on some. and then the immunocal might further imbalance the situation. there are so many other factors to consider than just the science articles you have read. aajonus' results speak for themselves. there are hundreds of testimonials and people you could talk to. is it right for everyone? no. but you can't simply dismiss it based on your cursory knowledge. this is not meant to be derogatory. i am trying to make you aware that everyone has cursory knowledge of the body. if your intellect were as powerful as the instinct in one cell, then you would truly have something going on. and from what i understand, and also experience, glutathione does not form as strong a bond with mercury as some of these powerful chelators. my hair falls out when i take whey. and on dmps it doesn't. and then there is the issue of indeterminate cofactors of a processed supplement vs. a whole food like milk or whey e.g. factor x as weston price calls it. immunocal was a big zero for me. i dont find it to be at all the miracle that you keep saying it is. if and when i want to rev up my glutathione levels i will do it with milk or raw milk, watermelon. these have an immediate positive effect for me. everyone who i have turned onto raw goat milk has had a positive experience. i woul venture a guess that if people were doing well with immunocal then they would do better with the raw milk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 >>I understand that Andy Cutler doesn't care much for glutathione What's his beef? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 well i can say i have taken some excellent whey supplements but i always have the dairy allergy thing with stuffed sinuses etc. after taking them. too bad as there is a lot of good literature regarding whey. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 alot of people with dairy allergy do well with raw dairy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 , for many years I had sinus problems. They all went away went I began using complete enzymes; every sinus problem. Look into it, it may assist you. Obie.. Re: mercury - binding fat well i can say i have taken some excellent whey supplements but i always have the dairy allergy thing with stuffed sinuses etc. after taking them. too bad as there is a lot of good literature regarding whey. -- OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Good point, Luck. Immunocal is cold-processed. In effect it is raw dairy. Further on the sensitivities, lactose and fat produce the most problems after casein. There's no casein in the whey isolates, but most contain a few to several times more fat and lactose than Immuocal. It is the pure one to try if there are problems with the others. I recommend to my clients to try a good, cheap cold-processed whey first, only at least twice as much as HMS-90 before they make their end product choice, and I recommend HMS-90 if we MUST pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat to save life or breath, or if they show intolerable sensitivities. Duncan Crow > > alot of people with dairy allergy do well with raw dairy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Good point, Luck. Immunocal is cold-processed. In effect it is raw dairy. Further on the sensitivities, lactose and fat produce the most problems after casein. There's no casein in the whey isolates, but most contain a few to several times more fat and lactose than Immuocal. It is the pure one to try if there are problems with the others. I recommend to my clients to try a good, cheap cold-processed whey first, only at least twice as much as HMS-90 before they make their end product choice, and I recommend HMS-90 if we MUST pull the proverbial rabbit out of the hat to save life or breath, or if they show intolerable sensitivities. Duncan Crow > > alot of people with dairy allergy do well with raw dairy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Hi Nina. Where did you get the cheap stuff. Bulk or brand name? What was the cost? Thanks Donna http://www.excellentthings.net Re: Re: Re: mercury - binding fat the cheap stuff WAS better for me, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 Re: Re: mercury - binding fat > Good point, Luck. Immunocal is cold-processed. In effect it is raw > dairy. Further on the sensitivities, lactose and fat produce the most > problems after casein. There's no casein in the whey isolates, but most > contain a few to several times more fat and lactose than Immuocal. It is > the pure one to try if there are problems with the others. > > I recommend to my clients to try a good, cheap cold-processed whey first, > only at least twice as much as HMS-90 before they make their end product > choice, and I recommend HMS-90 if we MUST pull the proverbial rabbit out > of the hat to save life or breath, or if they show intolerable > sensitivities. > > Duncan Crow Duncan, I have some feedback for you about the Immunocal versus the cheap cold-processed whey. I am posting it to the group because I thought some people might be interested. My gut feeling, before having even either the Immunocal or the cheaper whey product, was that the cheap stuff would work much better for me. (This is unusual, as generally I need the more expensive version of whatever it is I'm buying.) And indeed -- the cheap stuff WAS better for me, as long as I didn't take too much. If I took more than more than, say, a teaspoon per day, I found that I began wheezing a little at night, though very slightly. I find that my system needs much less than the recommended amount, and my energy has been high and steady. In contrast, the same amount of the Immunocal immediately stuffed up my head and gave me a sinus headache. I felt systemically clogged. Also, my energy wasn't as high. This is very interesting. You never know what someone will respond to positively. And everybody's different. Furthermore, this is an imporant lesson for me about amounts. According to the manufacturers of the products, people should be taking two or three or four times as much as I took. Yet I found that smaller amounts work great for me. As we become more sensitive to what we're ingesting or near, I believe that we'll need less. It's as though the connection to the vibrational quality is as important -- if not more so -- than the connection to the physical thing. Regards, Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 > >>I understand that Andy Cutler doesn't care much for glutathione > What's his beef? J. If you wish to read about Andy Cutler's ideas about glutathione, you can find some of them, here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/ANDY_INDEX Look for the section about sulfur, thiols, etc. I believe you will find this is a rich and complex topic. Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2003 Report Share Posted February 28, 2003 > >>I understand that Andy Cutler doesn't care much for glutathione > What's his beef? J. If you wish to read about Andy Cutler's ideas about glutathione, you can find some of them, here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/ANDY_INDEX Look for the section about sulfur, thiols, etc. I believe you will find this is a rich and complex topic. Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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