Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 My reaction to this is " they are wasting time and money studying this? " I cannot see that this has true bearing on the locomotion of modern man. Knuckle dragging in men now being merely a fashion statement or an attitude, not a literal thing? And if they had come about with a conclusion that traveling bent forward on knuckles was far more efficient in humans, would we start to see this in competitions? There's so many things to study in the world, why this one. The Phantom aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter Denver, Colorado, USA ====================================== -------------- Original message -------------- The below may be of interest: Why Humans Walk On Two Legs http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070720111226.htm Science Daily — A team of anthropologists that studied chimpanzees trained to use treadmills has gathered new evidence suggesting that our earliest apelike ancestors started walking on two legs because it required less energy than getting around on all fours. " When our earliest ancestors started walking on two legs, they took the first steps toward becoming human, " said lead researcher Sockol of UC . " Our findings help answer why. " " This is the first time anyone has succeeded in studying energetics and biomechanics in adult chimps, " said Sockol, who worked for two years to find an animal trainer willing to coax adult chimps to walk on two legs and to " knucklewalk " on all fours on the sort of treadmill found in most gyms. The five chimps also wore face masks used to help the researchers measure oxygen consumption. While the chimps worked out, the scientists collected metabolic, kinematic and kinetic data that allowed them to calculate which method of locomotion used less energy and why. The team gathered the same information for four adult humans walking on a treadmill. The researchers found that human walking used about 75 percent less energy and burned 75 percent fewer calories than quadrupedal and bipedal walking in chimpanzees. They also found that for some but not all of the chimps, walking on two legs was no more costly than knucklewalking. " We were prepared to find that all of the chimps used more energy walking on two legs -- but that finding wouldn't have been as interesting, " Sockol said. " What we found was much more telling. For three chimps, bipedalism was more expensive, but for the other two chimps, this wasn't the case. One expended about the same energy walking on two legs as on four. The other used less energy walking upright. " These two chimps had different gaits and anatomy than their knucklewalking peers. And when the researchers examined the early hominid fossil record, they found evidence of these traits – skeletal characteristics of the hip and hind limb that allow for greater extension of the hind limb -- in some early bipeds. Taken together, the findings provide support for the hypothesis that anatomical differences affecting gait existed among our earliest apelike ancestors, and that these differences provided the genetic variation natural selection could act on when changes in the environment gave bipeds an advantage over quadrupeds. Fossil and molecular evidence suggests the earliest ancestors of the human family lived in forested areas in equatorial Africa in the late Miocene era some 8 to 10 million years ago, when changes in climate may have increased the distance between food patches. That would have forced early hominids to travel longer distances on the ground and favored those who could cover more ground using less energy. " This isn't the complete answer, " Sockol said. " But it's a good piece of a puzzle humans have always wondered about: How and why did we become human? And why do we alone walk on two legs? " Sockol, a doctoral candidate in anthropology, has been pursuing his research for four years as part of his dissertation. He conducted the research at UC and at a private animal refuge and training facility in Northern California with colleagues Herman Pontzer of Washington University in St. Louis and Raichlen of the University of Arizona. His work was featured in the July 2006 issue of National Geographic. A video of the chimpanzees walking and knucklewalking on the treadmill can be seen at http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0607/feature5/multimedia.html The research appears in the online early edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences and in the July 24 print edition. ======================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Hi ! There are many studies that, at least on the surface, seem far more bizarre than the recent bipedal research with " Jack. " I recall shaking my head when I first saw a photo of researchers walking alongside an elephant who was fitted with a large bag-like structure for measuring oxygen consumption. But something significant for humans always emerges from such studies For example, the findings from the " Jack " research provided support for the hypothesis that " anatomical differences affecting gait existed among our earliers apelike ancestors, and that these differences provided the genetic variation natural selection could act on when changes in the environment gave bipeds an advantage over quadrupeds. " Why is this important ? When some apes reveal that they actually reduce metabolic cost through bipedal locomotion, this further challenges the assumption, surprisingly held by many, that we all have the same genetically coded 'structural symmetry,' and that we can easily determine what are the most cost-efficient movement patterns in any species. From my perspective, a penguin's movements appear highly inefficient. Thank goodness, I can't 'change' a penguins waddle to fit my view of good movment, but I used to do that all the time with the athletes I coached. And this explains, in part, why those working in the field of human locomotion have noted that making corrrections to what we perceive as mechanics errors might not always be a good idea. Trying to fit all athletes to a specific style or technique ignores that fact that a particular athlete's movements may be the way he or she needs to translate the skill of the sport based upon unique asymmetries, attachments points, etc. that we don't even know exist. In this regard, the perceived 'aberrant movements' may be corrections in themselves. Mel often alluded to this same point. We took my daughter's chihuahua to the vet recently. The vet had a new X-ray machine that he wanted to try it out. The x-rays revealed that Cody's left hip does not rest in the socket like the right one. It looked like an injury to me. I asked the vet: " Is it something he might have done jumping from a couch or chair? " The vet's response: " No, I think we'll blame his grandmother for this. " In other words, it's a genetic issue that means Cody needs to 'translate' running a little differently. Ken Jakalski Lisle HS Lisle, Illinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Krista's recent post gives us a good insight on the value of what at first strikes many of us frivolous research with little real world application. The discussion reminds me of the flap over Tom McMahon's research on " Groucho Running. " Some felt that any study relating human locomotion to the movements of comedian proved just how riduculous much of research really is.. However, McMahon saw the technique of running with enhanced knee flexion being similar to the famous 'Groucho walk,' and it proved to be an insightful analogy. McMahon's work determined that Groucho running reduces the amount of shock transmitted through the body during footstrike by as much as 80 per cent. However, there was a trade-off with this shock reduction: the oxygen cost (economy) of running at a particular speed shoots up by about 50% during the Groucho gait. The Groucho concept is used quite frequently in locomotion now, and more recently in relation to research on how elephants 'run.' The sad thing is that a whole generation of kids might grow up not knowing who Groucho Marx was! Ken Jakalski Lisle HS Lisle, Illinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 On the issue of apes and chimps: This is certainly off-topic, but fun nevethleless. Many years ago, one of my favorite undergrad professors liked to challenge the efficacy of giving students multiple choice exams. He mentioned something he referred to as the " Chimpanzee Principle. " If you gave students a fifty point multiple choice test with at least three foils (A-B-C-D), and had one student 'take' the exam again by simply filling in the bubbles randomely (hence, the chimp) he believed at least one or more of our students would score below the randomely filled out answer sheet. In other words, the 'chimp' would earn a higher score. We all laughed, but I actually tried it during my first ten years of teaching--when I still believed in multiple choice tests. In non-honors classes of twenty-five or more students, I would have between one and three students actually score lower on my exams than 'the chimp. " Now, I'm sure there's probably some statistical explanation for why 'the chimp' not reading any questions would score higher than those who actually read the questions, but I came to the conclusion that I was structuring instruments that really weren't accurately assessing what kids learned. Every aseessment response that I now expect from students is in complete sentence, 'short-answer insight' form. Ken Jakalski Lisle HS Lisle, Illinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Often studies that do not appear to have immediate applications nevertheless unveil particular principles that can then be used in other research. So often, people want to rush to the applications and the concrete. But it is often the principles of things that we use to drive innovation, adaptation, and modification. I can think of many future applications for understanding principles of human locomotion. F'rinstance: Deciding which elements of gait are fundamental and which can/should be changed can be used in rehab and physical therapy. Understanding how bodies conserve energy during movement can be used in athletic training. The structural basis for locomotion in semi-quadrupeds and bipeds can be applied to robotics. The flight of dragonflies and maple seedlings applies to helicopters; the structure of a bird's wing gives us the airplane; Velcro comes from burr hooks. As Leonardo da Vinci proposed, all " technologies " already exist in nature; all we need to do is carefully observe them and figure out how to reconstruct them. Best wishes, Krista -Dixon Toronto, ON kristascottdixon@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 In a message dated 7/25/2007 8:20:10 AM Central Daylight Time, Carruthersjam@... writes: Human buttocks " are huge, " says Bramble. " Have you ever looked at an ape? They have no buns. " **** We used this research as an epigram for our Lisle Lions " Mane Event " cross country invitational t-shirts two years ago: “Running seems to be the only reason that we have prominent buttocks.†-- Dr. Lieberman, Harvard University Ken Jakalski Lisle HS Lisle, Illinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Here are three alternative explanations for why primates decided to walk on two instead of four legs. They all relate to a period in primate/hominid evolution when primates descended from the jungle and trees to the east African savannah, probably prior to about 5-6 million years ago. It's all based on standard evolutionary theory - survival advantage etc. 1. The aquatic ape theory. Wading in swamps and river shallows to catch/collect food obviously favored upright walking. 2. Standing on two legs provided an advantage in looking out for predators and enemies - long grass etc. 3. Standing/walking upright allowed browsing on low-hanging fruit without climbing. Just a few ideas I've collected over the years. As to whether early hominids/humans were sprinters or long distance runners. . . I'd say both -- with endurance the bread and butter activity and fast intervals a predator and tribal conflict survival tool. Gympie, Australia > > The below may be of interest: > > Why Humans Walk On Two Legs > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070720111226.htm > > Science Daily — A team of anthropologists that studied chimpanzees > trained to use treadmills has gathered new evidence suggesting that > our earliest apelike ancestors started walking on two legs because it > required less energy than getting around on all fours. > > " When our earliest ancestors started walking on two legs, they took > the first steps toward becoming human, " said lead researcher > Sockol of UC . " Our findings help answer why. " > > " This is the first time anyone has succeeded in studying energetics > and biomechanics in adult chimps, " said Sockol, who worked for two > years to find an animal trainer willing to coax adult chimps to walk > on two legs and to " knucklewalk " on all fours on the sort of > treadmill found in most gyms. The five chimps also wore face masks > used to help the researchers measure oxygen consumption. > > While the chimps worked out, the scientists collected metabolic, > kinematic and kinetic data that allowed them to calculate which > method of locomotion used less energy and why. The team gathered the > same information for four adult humans walking on a treadmill. > The researchers found that human walking used about 75 percent less > energy and burned 75 percent fewer calories than quadrupedal and > bipedal walking in chimpanzees. They also found that for some but not > all of the chimps, walking on two legs was no more costly than > knucklewalking. > > " We were prepared to find that all of the chimps used more energy > walking on two legs -- but that finding wouldn't have been as > interesting, " Sockol said. " What we found was much more telling. For > three chimps, bipedalism was more expensive, but for the other two > chimps, this wasn't the case. One expended about the same energy > walking on two legs as on four. The other used less energy walking > upright. " > > These two chimps had different gaits and anatomy than their > knucklewalking peers. And when the researchers examined the early > hominid fossil record, they found evidence of these traits – skeletal > characteristics of the hip and hind limb that allow for greater > extension of the hind limb -- in some early bipeds. > > Taken together, the findings provide support for the hypothesis that > anatomical differences affecting gait existed among our earliest > apelike ancestors, and that these differences provided the genetic > variation natural selection could act on when changes in the > environment gave bipeds an advantage over quadrupeds. > > Fossil and molecular evidence suggests the earliest ancestors of the > human family lived in forested areas in equatorial Africa in the late > Miocene era some 8 to 10 million years ago, when changes in climate > may have increased the distance between food patches. That would have > forced early hominids to travel longer distances on the ground and > favored those who could cover more ground using less energy. > > " This isn't the complete answer, " Sockol said. " But it's a good piece > of a puzzle humans have always wondered about: How and why did we > become human? And why do we alone walk on two legs? " > Sockol, a doctoral candidate in anthropology, has been pursuing his > research for four years as part of his dissertation. He conducted the > research at UC and at a private animal refuge and training > facility in Northern California with colleagues Herman Pontzer of > Washington University in St. Louis and Raichlen of the > University of Arizona. > > His work was featured in the July 2006 issue of National Geographic. > A video of the chimpanzees walking and knucklewalking on the > treadmill can be seen at > > http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0607/feature5/multimedia.html > The research appears in the online early edition of the Proceedings > of the National Academy of Sciences and in the July 24 print edition. > > ======================== > Carruthers > Wakefield, UK > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 > > Here are three alternative explanations for why primates decided to > walk on two instead of four legs. They all relate to a period in > primate/hominid evolution when primates descended from the jungle and > trees to the east African savannah, probably prior to about 5-6 > million years ago. It's all based on standard evolutionary theory - > survival advantage etc. > > 1. The aquatic ape theory. Wading in swamps and river shallows to > catch/collect food obviously favored upright walking. > 2. Standing on two legs provided an advantage in looking out for > predators and enemies - long grass etc. > 3. Standing/walking upright allowed browsing on low-hanging fruit > without climbing. > > Just a few ideas I've collected over the years. > > As to whether early hominids/humans were sprinters or long distance > runners. . . I'd say both -- with endurance the bread and butter > activity and fast intervals a predator and tribal conflict survival > tool. *** Members may be interested in the following: Taken from (www.bases.org.uk): Molecular Exercise Physiology Endurance training - Presentation 2 Henning Wackerhage Bramble DM and Lieberman DE. Endurance running and the evolution of Homo. Nature 432, 345-352, 2004. In this landmark paper, Bramble and Lieberman argue that the anatomy of human beings has been selected for endurance running. The compare human beings and argue that human beings are actually very good at covering long distances when compared to numerous other species. Many skeletal features are advantageous for endurance running especially when compared to close species. They hypothesize that endurance running helped hominids to exploit protein-rich resources such as meat, marrow and brain. If the evolutionary pressure was favouring an endurance running human then our anatomy, biochemistry and muscle function may have all been selected for endurance running. ================ How Running Made Us Human http://www.biology.utah.edu/bionews2.php?story=bramble111704.txt November 17, 2004 - Humans evolved from ape-like ancestors because they needed to run long distances - perhaps to hunt animals or scavenge carcasses on Africa's vast savannah - and the ability to run shaped our anatomy, making us look like we do today. That is the conclusion of a study published in the Nov. 18 issue of the journal Nature by University of Utah biologist Dennis Bramble and Harvard University anthropologist Lieberman. The study is featured on Nature's cover. Bramble and Lieberman argue that our genus, Homo, evolved from more ape-like human ancestors, Australopithecus, 2 million or more years ago because natural selection favored the survival of australopithecines that could run and, over time, favored the perpetuation of human anatomical features that made long-distance running possible. " We are very confident that strong selection for running - which came at the expense of the historical ability to live in trees - was instrumental in the origin of the modern human body form, " says Bramble, a professor of biology. " Running has substantially shaped human evolution. Running made us human - at least in an anatomical sense. We think running is one of the most transforming events in human history. We are arguing the emergence of humans is tied to the evolution of running. " That conclusion is contrary to the conventional theory that running simply was a byproduct of the human ability to walk. Bipedalism - the ability to walk upright on two legs - evolved in the ape-like Australopithecus at least 4.5 million years ago while they also retained the ability to travel through the trees. Yet Homo with its " radically transformed body " did not evolve for another 3 million or more years - Homo habilis, Homo erectus and, finally, our species, Homo sapiens - so the ability to walk cannot explain anatomy of the modern human body, Bramble says. " There were 2.5 million to 3 million years of bipedal walking [by australopithecines] without ever looking like a human, so is walking going to be what suddenly transforms the hominid body? " he asks. " We're saying, no, walking won't do that, but running will. " Walking cannot explain most of the changes in body form that distinguish Homo from Australopithecus, which - when compared with Homo - had short legs, long forearms, high permanently " shrugged " shoulders, ankles that were not visibly apparent and more muscles connecting the shoulders to the head and neck, Bramble says. If natural selection had not favored running, " we would still look a lot like apes, " he adds. I Run, Therefore I Am Bramble and Lieberman examined 26 traits of the human body - many also seen in fossils of Homo erectus and some in Homo habilis - that enhanced the ability to run. Only some of them were needed for walking. Traits that aided running include leg and foot tendons and ligaments that act like springs, foot and toe structure that allows efficient use of the feet to push off, shoulders that rotate independently of the head and neck to allow better balance, and skeletal and muscle features that make the human body stronger, more stable and able to run more efficiently without overheating. " We explain the simultaneous emergence of a whole bunch of anatomical features, literally from head to toe, " Bramble says. " We have a hypothesis that gives a functional explanation for how these features are linked to the unique mechanical demands of running, how they work together and why they emerged at the same time. " Humans are poor sprinters compared with other running animals, which is partly why many scientists have dismissed running as a factor in human evolution. Human endurance running ability has been inadequately appreciated because of a failure to recognize that " high speed is not always important, " Bramble says. " What is important is combining reasonable speed with exceptional endurance. " Another reason is that " scientists are in developed societies that are highly dependent on technology and artificial means of transport, " he adds. " But if those scientists had been embedded in a hunter-gatherer society, they'd have a different view of human locomotor abilities, including running. " Why Did Humans Start Running? The researchers do not know why natural selection favored human ancestors who could run long distances. For one possibility, they cite previous research by University of Utah biologist r, who hypothesized that endurance running evolved in human ancestors so they could pursue predators long before the development of bows, arrows, nets and spear-throwers reduced the need to run long distances. Another possibility is that early humans and their immediate ancestors ran to scavenge carcasses of dead animals - maybe so they could beat hyenas or other scavengers to dinner, or maybe to " get to the leftovers soon enough, " Bramble says. Scavenging " is a more reliable source of food " than hunting, he adds. " If you are out in the African savannah and see a column of vultures on the horizon, the chance of there being a fresh carcass underneath the vultures is about 100 percent. If you are going to hunt down something in the heat, that's a lot more work and the payoffs are less reliable " because the animal you are hunting often is " faster than you are. " Anatomical Features that Help Humans Run Here are anatomical characteristics that are unique to humans and that play a role in helping people run, according to the study: -- Skull features that help prevent overheating during running. As sweat evaporates from the scalp, forehead and face, the evaporation cools blood draining from the head. Veins carrying that cooled blood pass near the carotid arteries, thus helping cool blood flowing through the carotids to the brain. -- A more balanced head with a flatter face, smaller teeth and short snout, compared with australopithecines. That " shifts the center of mass back so it's easier to balance your head when you are bobbing up and down running, " Bramble says. -- A ligament that runs from the back of the skull and neck down to the thoracic vertebrae, and acts as a shock absorber and helps the arms and shoulders counterbalance the head during running. -- Unlike apes and australopithecines, the shoulders in early humans were " decoupled " from the head and neck, allowing the body to rotate while the head aims forward during running. -- The tall human body - with a narrow trunk, waist and pelvis - creates more skin surface for our size, permitting greater cooling during running. It also lets the upper and lower body move independently, " which allows you to use your upper body to counteract the twisting forces from your swinging legs, " Bramble says. -- Shorter forearms in humans make it easier for the upper body to counterbalance the lower body during running. They also reduce the amount of muscle power needed to keep the arms flexed when running. -- Human vertebrae and disks are larger in diameter relative to body mass than are those in apes or australopithecines. " This is related to shock absorption, " says Bramble. " It allows the back to take bigger loads when human runners hit the ground. " -- The connection between the pelvis and spine is stronger and larger relative to body size in humans than in their ancestors, providing more stability and shock absorption during running. -- Human buttocks " are huge, " says Bramble. " Have you ever looked at an ape? They have no buns. " He says human buttocks " are muscles critical for stabilization in running " because they connect the femur - the large bone in each upper leg - to the trunk. Because people lean forward at the hip during running, the buttocks " keep you from pitching over on your nose each time a foot hits the ground. " -- Long legs, which chimps and australopithecines lack, let humans to take huge strides when running, Bramble says. So do ligaments and tendons - including the long Achilles tendon - which act like springs that store and release mechanical energy during running. The tendons and ligaments also mean human lower legs that are less muscular and lighter, requiring less energy to move them during running. -- Larger surface areas in the hip, knee and ankle joints, for improved shock absorption during running by spreading out the forces. -- The arrangement of bones in the human foot creates a stable or stiff arch that makes the whole foot more rigid, so the human runner can push off the ground more efficiently and utilize ligaments on the bottom of the feet as springs. -- Humans also evolved with an enlarged heel bone for better shock absorption, as well as shorter toes and a big toe that is fully drawn in toward the other toes for better pushing off during running. The study by Bramble and Lieberman concludes: " Today, endurance running is primarily a form of exercise and recreation, but its roots may be as ancient as the origin of the human genus, and its demands a major contributing factor to the human body form. " ------------- Carruthers Wakefield, UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Wow. What a complete irony that the largest buttocks are those parked on sofas consuming mass quantities of cheesy puffs....who have low expectations of even slow self locomotion and happily park these prominent buttocks on mobile scooters now rather than even try to move themselves in stores? Perhaps nature's intent has been lost on the human race? I don't run though, Ken. Caution learned by watching fellow PL get sidelined by needless running lol. the other reason for prominent buttocks (other than mating displays?) would be buttock intensive operations such as the squat and deadlift...? With tongue firmly in the FACIAL cheek here, The Phantom aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter Denver, Colorado, USA -------------- Original message -------------- From: CoachJ1@... In a message dated 7/25/2007 8:20:10 AM Central Daylight Time, Carruthersjam@... writes: Human buttocks " are huge, " says Bramble. " Have you ever looked at an ape? They have no buns. " **** We used this research as an epigram for our Lisle Lions " Mane Event " cross country invitational t-shirts two years ago: “Running seems to be the only reason that we have prominent buttocks.†-- Dr. Lieberman, Harvard University ============================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Well, yeah. Or, I should be a really, really good runner. Skip Dallen Covina, CA USA ===================== Re: Why Humans Walk On Two Legs? Wow. What a complete irony that the largest buttocks are those parked on sofas consuming mass quantities of cheesy puffs....who have low expectations of even slow self locomotion and happily park these prominent buttocks on mobile scooters now rather than even try to move themselves in stores? Perhaps nature's intent has been lost on the human race? I don't run though, Ken. Caution learned by watching fellow PL get sidelined by needless running lol. the other reason for prominent buttocks (other than mating displays?) would be buttock intensive operations such as the squat and deadlift...? With tongue firmly in the FACIAL cheek here, The Phantom aka Schaefer, CMT, CSCS, competing powerlifter Denver, Colorado, USA -------------- Original message -------------- From: CoachJ1@... In a message dated 7/25/2007 8:20:10 AM Central Daylight Time, Carruthersjam@... writes: Human buttocks " are huge, " says Bramble. " Have you ever looked at an ape? They have no buns. " **** We used this research as an epigram for our Lisle Lions " Mane Event " cross country invitational t-shirts two years ago: â?oRunning seems to be the only reason that we have prominent buttocks.â? -- Dr. Lieberman, Harvard University =========================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 What evidence is there to suggest we are descended from chimps??? Wallace Londonderry N.Ireland > > The below may be of interest: > > Why Humans Walk On Two Legs > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070720111226.htm > > Science Daily — A team of anthropologists that studied chimpanzees > trained to use treadmills has gathered new evidence suggesting that > our earliest apelike ancestors started walking on two legs because it > required less energy than getting around on all fours. > > " When our earliest ancestors started walking on two legs, they took > the first steps toward becoming human, " said lead researcher > Sockol of UC . " Our findings help answer why. " > > " This is the first time anyone has succeeded in studying energetics > and biomechanics in adult chimps, " said Sockol, who worked for two > years to find an animal trainer willing to coax adult chimps to walk > on two legs and to " knucklewalk " on all fours on the sort of > treadmill found in most gyms. The five chimps also wore face masks > used to help the researchers measure oxygen consumption. > > While the chimps worked out, the scientists collected metabolic, > kinematic and kinetic data that allowed them to calculate which > method of locomotion used less energy and why. The team gathered the > same information for four adult humans walking on a treadmill. > The researchers found that human walking used about 75 percent less > energy and burned 75 percent fewer calories than quadrupedal and > bipedal walking in chimpanzees. They also found that for some but not > all of the chimps, walking on two legs was no more costly than > knucklewalking. > > " We were prepared to find that all of the chimps used more energy > walking on two legs -- but that finding wouldn't have been as > interesting, " Sockol said. " What we found was much more telling. For > three chimps, bipedalism was more expensive, but for the other two > chimps, this wasn't the case. One expended about the same energy > walking on two legs as on four. The other used less energy walking > upright. " > > These two chimps had different gaits and anatomy than their > knucklewalking peers. And when the researchers examined the early > hominid fossil record, they found evidence of these traits – skeletal > characteristics of the hip and hind limb that allow for greater > extension of the hind limb -- in some early bipeds. > > Taken together, the findings provide support for the hypothesis that > anatomical differences affecting gait existed among our earliest > apelike ancestors, and that these differences provided the genetic > variation natural selection could act on when changes in the > environment gave bipeds an advantage over quadrupeds. > > Fossil and molecular evidence suggests the earliest ancestors of the > human family lived in forested areas in equatorial Africa in the late > Miocene era some 8 to 10 million years ago, when changes in climate > may have increased the distance between food patches. That would have > forced early hominids to travel longer distances on the ground and > favored those who could cover more ground using less energy. > > " This isn't the complete answer, " Sockol said. " But it's a good piece > of a puzzle humans have always wondered about: How and why did we > become human? And why do we alone walk on two legs? " > Sockol, a doctoral candidate in anthropology, has been pursuing his > research for four years as part of his dissertation. He conducted the > research at UC and at a private animal refuge and training > facility in Northern California with colleagues Herman Pontzer of > Washington University in St. Louis and Raichlen of the > University of Arizona. > > His work was featured in the July 2006 issue of National Geographic. > A video of the chimpanzees walking and knucklewalking on the > treadmill can be seen at > > http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0607/feature5/multimedia.html > The research appears in the online early edition of the Proceedings > of the National Academy of Sciences and in the July 24 print edition. > > ======================== > Carruthers > Wakefield, UK > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Hi I haven't been following the whole thread. I'd like to add though that to go to two legs is quite a drastic change. So the reason to do so one would expect to be drastic. To travel with more efficiency to food makes sense but would it really cause such an important adaptation? As the journey was most likely achievable on four legs. Plus you give up speed with two legs. Perhaps it was the extra height gained from two legs. The need to look out for a predator and make best use of good eyesight. Greenland Sussex UK > > > > > The below may be of interest: > > > > Why Humans Walk On Two Legs > > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/07/070720111226.htm > > > > Science Daily — A team of anthropologists that studied chimpanzees > > trained to use treadmills has gathered new evidence suggesting > that > > our earliest apelike ancestors started walking on two legs because > it > > required less energy than getting around on all fours. > > > > " When our earliest ancestors started walking on two legs, they > took > > the first steps toward becoming human, " said lead researcher > > > Sockol of UC . " Our findings help answer why. " > > > > " This is the first time anyone has succeeded in studying > energetics > > and biomechanics in adult chimps, " said Sockol, who worked for two > > years to find an animal trainer willing to coax adult chimps to > walk > > on two legs and to " knucklewalk " on all fours on the sort of > > treadmill found in most gyms. The five chimps also wore face masks > > used to help the researchers measure oxygen consumption. > > > > While the chimps worked out, the scientists collected metabolic, > > kinematic and kinetic data that allowed them to calculate which > > method of locomotion used less energy and why. The team gathered > the > > same information for four adult humans walking on a treadmill. > > The researchers found that human walking used about 75 percent > less > > energy and burned 75 percent fewer calories than quadrupedal and > > bipedal walking in chimpanzees. They also found that for some but > not > > all of the chimps, walking on two legs was no more costly than > > knucklewalking. > > > > " We were prepared to find that all of the chimps used more energy > > walking on two legs -- but that finding wouldn't have been as > > interesting, " Sockol said. " What we found was much more telling. > For > > three chimps, bipedalism was more expensive, but for the other two > > chimps, this wasn't the case. One expended about the same energy > > walking on two legs as on four. The other used less energy walking > > upright. " > > > > These two chimps had different gaits and anatomy than their > > knucklewalking peers. And when the researchers examined the early > > hominid fossil record, they found evidence of these traits – > skeletal > > characteristics of the hip and hind limb that allow for greater > > extension of the hind limb -- in some early bipeds. > > > > Taken together, the findings provide support for the hypothesis > that > > anatomical differences affecting gait existed among our earliest > > apelike ancestors, and that these differences provided the genetic > > variation natural selection could act on when changes in the > > environment gave bipeds an advantage over quadrupeds. > > > > Fossil and molecular evidence suggests the earliest ancestors of > the > > human family lived in forested areas in equatorial Africa in the > late > > Miocene era some 8 to 10 million years ago, when changes in > climate > > may have increased the distance between food patches. That would > have > > forced early hominids to travel longer distances on the ground and > > favored those who could cover more ground using less energy. > > > > " This isn't the complete answer, " Sockol said. " But it's a good > piece > > of a puzzle humans have always wondered about: How and why did we > > become human? And why do we alone walk on two legs? " > > Sockol, a doctoral candidate in anthropology, has been pursuing > his > > research for four years as part of his dissertation. He conducted > the > > research at UC and at a private animal refuge and training > > facility in Northern California with colleagues Herman Pontzer of > > Washington University in St. Louis and Raichlen of the > > University of Arizona. > > > > His work was featured in the July 2006 issue of National > Geographic. > > A video of the chimpanzees walking and knucklewalking on the > > treadmill can be seen at > > > > > http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0607/feature5/multimedia.html > > The research appears in the online early edition of the > Proceedings > > of the National Academy of Sciences and in the July 24 print > edition. > > > > ======================== > > Carruthers > > Wakefield, UK > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Ken, It's interesting to take glute development in this context a little further. Human evolutionary origins and history can be tracked mainly to the savannah of East Africa. If one specualtes that endurance was a more important skill than sprinting at this time, then the performance of Kenyan and Ethiopian athletes in endurance events matches up well. But what about sprinters? How many good Kenyan or Ethiopian sprinters have been prominent in recent or past years? Seraphino Antao of Kenya in the early sixties? But he was of Indian subcontinent origin. How many West African sprinters have been prominent - in country of origin or genetics? Many, indeed most. This is no secret of course. The question is, why? Ever try to run for long distances in a jungle or rain forest (hey, I come from Queensland)? A survival advantage in West Africa would have been associated with short, powerful sprints to catch prey or avoid enemies in heavily forested environments. Big glutes, fast twitch selected. Gympie, Australia > > > In a message dated 7/25/2007 8:20:10 AM Central Daylight Time, > Carruthersjam@... writes: > > Human buttocks " are huge, " says Bramble. " Have you ever looked at > an ape? They have no buns. " > > **** > We used this research as an epigram for our Lisle Lions " Mane Event " cross > country invitational t-shirts two years ago: > > > “Running seems to be the only reason that we have prominent buttocks.†> -- Dr. Lieberman, Harvard University > > Ken Jakalski > Lisle HS > Lisle, Illinois > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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