Guest guest Posted January 16, 1988 Report Share Posted January 16, 1988 i had almost the exact same experience. i felt really really horrible. i came to the conclusion that the pad was forcing mercury out of my body, but i was unable to excrete it. it has taken me a few years to learn about this process of mercury removal and appcreciate how difficult and individual it is Re: Magnetic sleep pad Hello, I am fairly new to this forum, and I have been reading the magnetic sleep pad thread with some interest. I would like to share my story. Six years ago I met Dr. Bonlie in Asheville NC at a Whole Life Expo there where he had a booth and was selling these pads. I bought the 4 gauss one that went underneath the mattress. The first 6 weeks of sleeping on this I felt absolutely great. After that, I started going downhill and by the end of 2 months, I knew something was severely wrong with me. I called Dr. Bonlie up and explained my symptoms. He was quite concerned and came to the conclusion that more than likely what i was experiencing was mercury toxicity. Dr. Bonlie, before he became intersted in magnetic therapy was a former dentist in Canada. He said that he had seen this happen with a few other people who had used the pad. It was his feeling (and later confirmed by my acupuncturist)that the high negative magentic field had caused a huge load of mercury to be thrown out of tissue storage. I immediately stopped using the pad. I had a very difficult time with this for about 2 months after, I did not get the blood chelation treatment at the time, but did use every available means of homeoptahy and eating chorella and cilantro to help. I think that I did not get rid of all the mercury that my body contains, that which was stirred up in the blood was eliminated, and probably the rest the liver and kidneys could not handle went back into tissue storage. I wonder has anyone else ever experienced being mercury toxic, and specifically from using magnetic therapy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2002 Report Share Posted November 26, 2002 Hi Jim Given what I have been taught by Dr. Dean Bonlie, DDS who invented the magnetic sleep pad I sell, the magnetic sleep pad may not be beneficial to your long-term health as you will be getting some positive magnetic energy. The best books on magnetic energy are by Dr Becker--Your Body Electric and Cross Currents. I have also made some interesting observations by non-scientific means--radionics which confirm in my mind what Dr. Bonlie says may be true. Respectfully Kallie www.4optimallife.com Products and services to enhance your health and life. Water Ionizers, Magnetic Sleep Pads, Accutone CDs, Zappers, Energy Therapies - EFT, ERT. Re: Nikken PiMag Optimizer Last time I checked all Radio Shacks sell small magnets in 3 shapes. 3 for a quarter; 25 cents apiece. Etc. They are off inventory, so talk to the manager to make a deal for a boxfull. I got enough 1/8 " magnets w/holes in the middle to make it easy to sew them on a bedpad. A cigar-box full. I made a magnetic bed for $17. jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 Hi Kallie, I must have missed the message from Jim, so I know that I must be taking your message below out of context. But to what are you ferferring when you write: " the magnetic sleep pad may not be beneficial to your long-term health as you will be getting some positive magnetic energy. " I have seen your positive comments on the magnetic sleep pad in other messages, so am confused by this message. Thanks for any clarification you can give me, Warmly, Terri Lynne Pomeroy On Wed, 27 Nov 2002 01:22:55 -0500 " kallie miller " writes: > Hi Jim > Given what I have been taught by Dr. Dean Bonlie, DDS who > invented the magnetic sleep pad I sell, the magnetic sleep pad may > not be beneficial to your long-term health as you will be getting > some positive magnetic energy. The best books on magnetic energy > are by Dr Becker--Your Body Electric and Cross Currents. > I have also made some interesting observations by non-scientific > means--radionics which confirm in my mind what Dr. Bonlie says may > be true. > > Respectfully > > Kallie > > www.4optimallife.com > Products and services to enhance your health and life. > Water Ionizers, Magnetic Sleep Pads, Accutone CDs, Zappers, Energy > Therapies - EFT, ERT. > > > Re: Nikken PiMag Optimizer > > > Last time I checked all Radio Shacks sell small magnets in 3 > shapes. 3 > for a quarter; 25 cents apiece. Etc. They are off inventory, so > talk to > the manager to make a deal for a boxfull. I got enough 1/8 " > magnets > w/holes in the middle to make it easy to sew them on a bedpad. A > cigar-box full. I made a magnetic bed for $17. > > jim > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 Hi Terri Lynne Jim has made himself a magnetic pad from magnets purchased from radio shack for $17. I made the assumption that this will go on top of his mattress which will mean that he is getting peaks of positive energy to his body even though he may have put the negative side of the magnets up. Over time, this drains the brain energy. The brain interprets positive magnetic energy on the body as an injury and sends its energy down to heal the supposed injury. This is a very general explanation for brevity's sake. My comments also apply to the many magnetic sleep pads sold which go on top of the mattress. Positive magnetic energy stimulates the body. A biofeedback and Brain Gym instructor here in London, Canada found she was unable to balance the brain waves on some clients. Upon inquiry she found that they were sleeping on magnetic sleep pads that went on top of the mattress. I obtained one of my magnetic sleep pads that go under the mattress for her to test on clients and the results were that the brain waves were balanced and in harmony. The particular magnetic sleep pad I sell has stronger magnets and goes under the mattress. The body does not get the positive peaks. There are positive peaks in the sleep pad I sell and you need to be at least 3 " away from the magnets. The height of the positive peaks depends on the strength of the magnets and the spacing. I trust this answers your concerns. Kallie www.4optimallife.com Products and services to enhance your health and life. Water Ionizers, Magnetic Sleep Pads, Accutone CDs, Zappers, Energy Therapies - EFT, ERT. Re: Magnetic sleep pad Hi Kallie, I must have missed the message from Jim, so I know that I must be taking your message below out of context. But to what are you ferferring when you write: " the magnetic sleep pad may not be beneficial to your long-term health as you will be getting some positive magnetic energy. " I have seen your positive comments on the magnetic sleep pad in other messages, so am confused by this message. Thanks for any clarification you can give me, Warmly, Terri Lynne Pomeroy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 Jim Like me, you are entitled to your opinion. I happen to have chosen to offer products that I feel with integrity benefit people and have benefited me personally. I happen to trust Dr. Dean Bonlie given my five years experience of his teachings. Many of these have been substantiated from other sources not connected to Dr. Bonlie. Dr. Bonlie has all the equipment to test magnets and the intelligence and education to be an expert in IMHO. My 87 year-old father's urinary problems from prostate cancer all disappeared 7 weeks after getting his unified negative field magnetic sleep pad that goes under the mattress and his PSA went down and the urinary problems have not come back in 5 years. My parents upgraded to a Super Bed in April because my mother has osteoporosis and the doctor prescribed Fosimax. Given I don't make any profit on a sale to my parents, why would I support her in spending that money if I didn't have some proof she would increase her bone density by its use. She will be having a repeat bone density in January, 2003 and I will be happy to report the results--positive or negative. She is 85 with a high risk of fracture. I have on file the bone scan of a woman on Fosimax with little result, showing the increased bone density with the use of a Super Bed for 8 months. Your own federal institute of health is setting up the financing of a study at the University of Virginia on the Super Bed given the positive results from an earlier study with the classic model on fibromyalgia. In that study, comparison was made between magnetic sleep pads that went under the mattress and a product that went on top of the mattress. Ours was superior. Using the non-scientific method of radionic analysis, done by a friend who is a long-time radionic practitioner, I observed that three people out of over 100 had high general toxicity levels. Given I had observed that people who slept on my magnetic sleep pad had their general toxicity levels go from an average of 76% to 2% in the course of a year, I suggested to these people that they might want to purchase one of my magnetic sleep pads that go under the mattress. All three said they already had magnetic sleep pads that went on top of the mattress for several years. This to me substantiates some of what Dr. Bonlie has told me. The radionic analysis also showed great improvement in the function of various body systems--liver, immune, digestive, etc of people using the magnetic sleep pad and the radionics practitioner did not know who was using a magnetic sleep pad. Hopefully in about two weeks I will have the video converted to a CD and will be happy to send you a copy. In this video, Dr. Bonlie speaks with his expertise on the danger of the positive peaks and demonstrates them. Just let me know. Of course I like to sell the magnetic sleep pads which I know are of value to people as the sales are a portion of my income. However, it is more important to me that people be aware that there is a possibility that the positive peaks of energy can have negative effects on the body over a period of time. A woman with breast cancer purchased a magnetic sleep pad that went on top of her mattress. She noticed that her husband's blood sugars went up after they got the magnetic pad which could be accounted to the stress of the positive peaks. She then purchased one from me after I explained the positive peak problem with the option of returning it in six months (satisfaction guarantee) and in two days her husband's blood sugars were down. Magnetic sleep pads designed pretty close to the Classic model are available from other suppliers than me or my company. One has to search for them diligently. They also cost the same so if people believe what I say, they can be purchased elsewhere. I heard Dr. Bonlie give a talk to an audience of over 500 on the danger of the positive peaks. In that audience were many associates from a well-known MLM company selling a magnetic sleep pad that went on top of the mattress. I would think he was pretty solid in his information to have the courage to make those statements. His suggestion was that they sleep on them a month and take them off for a month. Many of them visited his booth after the lecture to speak with him personally. My company is not an MLM company. I am as committed to my opinion as you are I guess. I have purchased four sleep pads for my grandchildren as I felt given what Bill Moyers told us in the PBS special " Chemicals and Our Children " last spring that the gift of a " unified negative field " magnetic sleep pad that went under the mattress was one of the best gifts I could give them. They will last their lifetimes and more. I also have friends who have done roughly the same as you despite my sharing of my information. We all have the right to decide what is best for us given our research and opinions. I would appreciate your discussing in greater depth your opinion on the use and value of an FIR lamp if you are willing. Respectfully Kallie www.4optimallife.com Products and services to enhance your health and life. Water Ionizers, Magnetic Sleep Pads, Accutone CDs, Zappers, Energy Therapies - EFT, ERT. Re: Magnetic sleep pad Kallie, It is difficult for me to rebut the issue of " positive leakage " without using drawings, so I won't deal with that part of your post here. Suffice to say that IMO that issue is between two physicists arguing about angels on the head of a pin. With respect, I just don't buy into much marketing hype. I am as certain you believe what you have read or been told as I am about the results of the things with which I have personally experimented, even tho we may not agree on details. I do not see the use of magnets as rocket science. The Greeks used lodestone successfully at least 2500 years ago for many diseases. My mom bought an expensive magnetic mattress pad because she was certain it would be better than the one I made. I could never tell the difference. Plus, I have never encountered anyone marketing magnetic pads telling buyers that for optimal effect use them a month then quit for a month, because the body stops benefitting very much after a few weeks -- which is something I believe in both experientially & from reading a researcher. IMO, the claims that " my magnetic pad is the only good one " are all relatively bogus, no matter who makes them. I won't deny someone may have perfected one that works a little better than others, but I don't see that marginal difference to be worth the high prices charged for them, and certainly not compared to my $17 pad that also works well. My personal opinion is that magnetic pads are, for most people, a very small bang for much too many bucks. I have not only played around with magnets for years, I've built, bought & use EM pulsers, cranial electric stimulators & other devices using EM or electric current on or around the body. Of all the useful things I have experimented with, magnetic pads impressed me the least. As a result, I believe an FIR lamp, which can be had for less $$$, is more beneficial for so many more health conditions, that only someone with extra money should buy expensive magnetic pads. I also recognize that some people might benefit greatly from using magnetic pads and their results will differ from mine, but I haven't been convinced that the same people wouldn't benefit just as much from Radio Shack ceramic magnets sewn to a bed pad, or hot-glued to an appropriate surface such as a water jug. jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 This reminds me of experiences with smaller magnetic pads such as chair pads, and insoles. There is a short period of time where the body part feels better. However, afterward the feeling gets progressively worse until the magnetic device is removed. kallie miller wrote: > > Hi Terri Lynne > Jim has made himself a magnetic pad from magnets purchased from radio shack for $17. I made the assumption that this will go on top of his mattress which will mean that he is getting peaks of positive energy to his body even though he may have put the negative side of the magnets up. Over time, this drains the brain energy. The brain interprets positive magnetic energy on the body as an injury and sends its energy down to heal the supposed injury. This is a very general explanation for brevity's sake. My comments also apply to the many magnetic sleep pads sold which go on top of the mattress. Positive magnetic energy stimulates the body. > A biofeedback and Brain Gym instructor here in London, Canada found she was unable to balance the brain waves on some clients. Upon inquiry she found that they were sleeping on magnetic sleep pads that went on top of the mattress. I obtained one of my magnetic sleep pads that go under the mattress for her to test on clients and the results were that the brain waves were balanced and in harmony. > The particular magnetic sleep pad I sell has stronger magnets and goes under the mattress. The body does not get the positive peaks. There are positive peaks in the sleep pad I sell and you need to be at least 3 " away from the magnets. The height of the positive peaks depends on the strength of the magnets and the spacing. > I trust this answers your concerns. > > Kallie > > www.4optimallife.com > Products and services to enhance your health and life. > Water Ionizers, Magnetic Sleep Pads, Accutone CDs, Zappers, Energy Therapies - EFT, ERT. > > Re: Magnetic sleep pad > > Hi Kallie, > I must have missed the message from Jim, so I know that I must be taking > your message below out of context. But to what are you ferferring when > you write: > > " the magnetic sleep pad may not be beneficial to your long-term health as > you will be getting some positive magnetic energy. " > > I have seen your positive comments on the magnetic sleep pad in other > messages, so am confused by this message. Thanks for any clarification > you can give me, > > Warmly, > > Terri Lynne Pomeroy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2002 Report Share Posted November 27, 2002 Kallie, It is difficult for me to rebut the issue of " positive leakage " without using drawings, so I won't deal with that part of your post here. Suffice to say that IMO that issue is between two physicists arguing about angels on the head of a pin. With respect, I just don't buy into much marketing hype. I am as certain you believe what you have read or been told as I am about the results of the things with which I have personally experimented, even tho we may not agree on details. I do not see the use of magnets as rocket science. The Greeks used lodestone successfully at least 2500 years ago for many diseases. My mom bought an expensive magnetic mattress pad because she was certain it would be better than the one I made. I could never tell the difference. Plus, I have never encountered anyone marketing magnetic pads telling buyers that for optimal effect use them a month then quit for a month, because the body stops benefitting very much after a few weeks -- which is something I believe in both experientially & from reading a researcher. IMO, the claims that " my magnetic pad is the only good one " are all relatively bogus, no matter who makes them. I won't deny someone may have perfected one that works a little better than others, but I don't see that marginal difference to be worth the high prices charged for them, and certainly not compared to my $17 pad that also works well. My personal opinion is that magnetic pads are, for most people, a very small bang for much too many bucks. I have not only played around with magnets for years, I've built, bought & use EM pulsers, cranial electric stimulators & other devices using EM or electric current on or around the body. Of all the useful things I have experimented with, magnetic pads impressed me the least. As a result, I believe an FIR lamp, which can be had for less $$$, is more beneficial for so many more health conditions, that only someone with extra money should buy expensive magnetic pads. I also recognize that some people might benefit greatly from using magnetic pads and their results will differ from mine, but I haven't been convinced that the same people wouldn't benefit just as much from Radio Shack ceramic magnets sewn to a bed pad, or hot-glued to an appropriate surface such as a water jug. jim kallie miller wrote: >Hi Jim > Given what I have been taught by Dr. Dean Bonlie, DDS who invented the magnetic sleep pad I sell, the magnetic sleep pad may not be beneficial to your long-term health as you will be getting some positive magnetic energy. The best books on magnetic energy are by Dr Becker--Your Body Electric and Cross Currents. > I have also made some interesting observations by non-scientific means--radionics which confirm in my mind what Dr. Bonlie says may be true. > >Respectfully > >Kallie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 > > >Kallie, > >I wound up responding to two of your posts here: > >Well, your guy has come up with an interesting variation on magnet theory! Haven't heard this one. It sounds to me as though it may even have merit. I still feel magnetic pads fail on the cost/benefit ratio, tho. > >I see magnets as tools, like food, sunlight, exercise, drinking water, motion, emotion, sound, smell, social interaction, being loving, bliss. They are healing tools because they are the nutrients of Life. We can't be healthy without constant rations of all of them. > >I believe what is healthy is the Earth's natural magnetic field. We are told that it is not very strong -- and even that little has now supposedly dwindled to almost nothing? But, the important part, to me, is that natural Earth magnetism does have a frequency, and magnets dont > >Frequency is the language of the Universe. Specific frequencies trigger different mindstates, cellular functions and entrain the brain to unnatural energy patterns, etc. No wonder our bodies get confused by all the man-made frequencies around us constantly! Especially the military, telecommunications & household appliances with fixed patterns. > >But, the use of magnets for healing makes me ask what we are trying to re-create for the body with them? I hotglue ceramic magnets to water containers & have magnetic coasters at home & a magnet in the cup-holder of my SUV. That is to re-structure the water molecules of the liquids I drink. > >I put some magnets on a 3-1/2 floppy disk & put it in my shirt pocket over my heart for 2 hours, a few days a week, so my heart can pump all my blood past the magnets & they can polarize the iron atoms in the hemoglobin molecules of my blood, preventing them from sticking together and thickening my blood, as well as depriving me of their oxygen-carrying capability. > >If any mattress pad re-created the Earth's field I would want one. But I don't believe they do that. In Megabrain or Megabrain Power, Hutchison mentioned a device to do just that. But, just using magnets on the body, same thing all the time & . The body tends to adapt to things like that. And, it lacks frequency, which I believe is important. I would guess about 8 Hz, the Earths median resonant frequency. > >In my opinion, it is more important for humans to walk barefoot daily on the bare grass or ground, or at least with no rubber underneath like moccasins -- than it is to use magnets on our bodies. We need to be GROUNDED DAILY! Mental energy tends to accumulate and cause tension & headaches if we don't ground ourselves regularly. I am finding this often now, in my healing with hands work. Everybody seems to be wearing rubber on their feet. > >It is my belief & experience that it isnt whether or not we live pure lifestyles, but do we replenish what we are causing our bodies to consume & cleanse the toxins we take in? Do we re-balance that which is out-of-balance regularly? Quite frankly, THAT is what most people are looking for, IMO. No one I ever met really wants to live a Beaver Cleaver life with an Adele diet & a Jack La Lanne exercise regimen! I meet people who are doing the best they can with the best they can muster and just hoping it will all work! > >Unfortunately, another theme I see in so many posts of desperate people, people with a problem & looking for a solution & . Is they have needs but not much discretionary money. Even if magnets without positive peaks are better & . for hundreds of dollars, most people who need them cant buy them. So, for them, I haul out my favorite engineering maxim: No tech to low tech. There is plenty of research history with just plain bipolar magnets of any sort showing they can be of benefit. So, I still believe if someone wants to try magnets in their life for whatever reason, it makes sense to do some experimenting with 3 for a quarter ceramic magnets first! > >I am not attacking your integrity, the quality of your magnetic pads, whether your doctor has made a breakthrough or not, or you. I am just saying I dont believe as you do about magnets! Even so, Im willing to be wrong. So, please take a mental pause & relax on Thanksgiving. I am not attempting to confront you. I am disagreeing with the priority of magnet therapies in the big picture. As such, I am speaking from my point-of-view, as you are. > >On this list we constantly discuss kidney, liver & colon cleansing, ozonating, etc. These therapies deal with causes, not symptoms. In my opinion, simple magnetic therapies are only dealing with symptomatology, while research & experience indicate a FIR unit will do more for correcting the causes of symptoms than magnets will. And, it will help a wider range of ailments. I have yet to find a body pain of any sort it cant improve in one treatment! No magnet therapy I know of can say that. > >Namaste, > >Jim > > >kallie miller wrote: > >Hi Terri Lynne > Jim has made himself a magnetic pad from magnets purchased from radio shack for $17. I made the assumption that this will go on top of his mattress which will mean that he is getting peaks of positive energy to his body even though he may have put the negative side of the magnets up. Over time, this drains the brain energy. The brain interprets positive magnetic energy on the body as an injury and sends its energy down to heal the supposed injury. This is a very general explanation for brevity's sake. My comments also apply to the many magnetic sleep pads sold which go on top of the mattress. Positive magnetic energy stimulates the body. > A biofeedback and Brain Gym instructor here in London, Canada found she was unable to balance the brain waves on some clients. Upon inquiry she found that they were sleeping on magnetic sleep pads that went on top of the mattress. I obtained one of my magnetic sleep pads that go under the mattress for her to test on clients and the results were that the brain waves were balanced and in harmony. > The particular magnetic sleep pad I sell has stronger magnets and goes under the mattress. The body does not get the positive peaks. There are positive peaks in the sleep pad I sell and you need to be at least 3 " away from the magnets. The height of the positive peaks depends on the strength of the magnets and the spacing. > I trust this answers your concerns. > >Kallie > >Jim > Like me, you are entitled to your opinion. I happen to have chosen to offer products that I feel with integrity benefit people and have benefited me personally. I happen to trust Dr. Dean Bonlie given my five years experience of his teachings. Many of these have been substantiated from other sources not connected to Dr. Bonlie. Dr. Bonlie has all the equipment to test magnets and the intelligence and education to be an expert in IMHO. > My 87 year-old father's urinary problems from prostate cancer all disappeared 7 weeks after getting his unified negative field magnetic sleep pad that goes under the mattress and his PSA went down and the urinary problems have not come back in 5 years. My parents upgraded to a Super Bed in April because my mother has osteoporosis and the doctor prescribed Fosimax. Given I don't make any profit on a sale to my parents, why would I support her in spending that money if I didn't have some proof she would increase her bone density by its use. She will be having a repeat bone density in January, 2003 and I will be happy to report the results--positive or negative. She is 85 with a high risk of fracture. I have on file the bone scan of a woman on Fosimax with little result, showing the increased bone density with the use of a Super Bed for 8 months. > Your own federal institute of health is setting up the financing of a study at the University of Virginia on the Super Bed given the positive results from an earlier study with the classic model on fibromyalgia. In that study, comparison was made between magnetic sleep pads that went under the mattress and a product that went on top of the mattress. Ours was superior. > Using the non-scientific method of radionic analysis, done by a friend who is a long-time radionic practitioner, I observed that three people out of over 100 had high general toxicity levels. Given I had observed that people who slept on my magnetic sleep pad had their general toxicity levels go from an average of 76% to 2% in the course of a year, I suggested to these people that they might want to purchase one of my magnetic sleep pads that go under the mattress. All three said they already had magnetic sleep pads that went on top of the mattress for several years. This to me substantiates some of what Dr. Bonlie has told me. The radionic analysis also showed great improvement in the function of various body systems--liver, immune, digestive, etc of people using the magnetic sleep pad and the radionics practitioner did not know who was using a magnetic sleep pad. > Hopefully in about two weeks I will have the video converted to a CD and will be happy to send you a copy. In this video, Dr. Bonlie speaks with his expertise on the danger of the positive peaks and demonstrates them. Just let me know. > Of course I like to sell the magnetic sleep pads which I know are of value to people as the sales are a portion of my income. However, it is more important to me that people be aware that there is a possibility that the positive peaks of energy can have negative effects on the body over a period of time. A woman with breast cancer purchased a magnetic sleep pad that went on top of her mattress. She noticed that her husband's blood sugars went up after they got the magnetic pad which could be accounted to the stress of the positive peaks. She then purchased one from me after I explained the positive peak problem with the option of returning it in six months (satisfaction guarantee) and in two days her husband's blood sugars were down. Magnetic sleep pads designed pretty close to the Classic model are available from other suppliers than me or my company. One has to search for them diligently. They also cost the same so if people believe what I say, they can be purchased elsewhere. > I heard Dr. Bonlie give a talk to an audience of over 500 on the danger of the positive peaks. In that audience were many associates from a well-known MLM company selling a magnetic sleep pad that went on top of the mattress. I would think he was pretty solid in his information to have the courage to make those statements. His suggestion was that they sleep on them a month and take them off for a month. Many of them visited his booth after the lecture to speak with him personally. My company is not an MLM company. > I am as committed to my opinion as you are I guess. I have purchased four sleep pads for my grandchildren as I felt given what Bill Moyers told us in the PBS special " Chemicals and Our Children " last spring that the gift of a " unified negative field " magnetic sleep pad that went under the mattress was one of the best gifts I could give them. They will last their lifetimes and more. > I also have friends who have done roughly the same as you despite my sharing of my information. We all have the right to decide what is best for us given our research and opinions. > I would appreciate your discussing in greater depth your opinion on the use and value of an FIR lamp if you are willing. > >Respectfully > >Kallie > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 Jim I happen to agree with much of what you said. Each person chooses for his/her own priorities. For my 80 year old father with urinary problems due to prostate cancer, unwilling to change diet, detox, etc. the magnetic pad was perfect for him. Within seven weeks, all urinary problems gone and PSA down. Since this is not MLM, I made no money on this sale. My father had some faith in my knowledge. I just knew it would benefit him in supporting his body in health and had no idea at that time of the great results he would have. I personally have chosen a magnetic sleep pad as beneficial for me, well before I chose to sell them. I offer them to people along with my knowledge and everyone makes their choice. I have them for those who want them and can afford to purchase them. For those who don't have money, maybe just changing their thoughts might be the best thing they could do? Here is a free book by a man who cured himself of MS http://www.cyberphysiology.com/books_tapes_videos/your_empowering_spirit/ind ex.asp Another site of interest http://www.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/spirituality.html and of course, www.emofree.com for Emotional Freedom Technique and a free manual. Happy Thanksgiving to my US friends. Us Canadians got to eat our turkey in October:>) Blessings Kallie Re: Magnetic sleep pad > > > > >Kallie, > > > >I wound up responding to two of your posts here: > > > >Well, your guy has come up with an interesting variation on magnet theory! Haven't heard this one. It sounds to me as though it may even have merit. I still feel magnetic pads fail on the cost/benefit ratio, tho. > > > >I see magnets as tools, like food, sunlight, exercise, drinking water, motion, emotion, sound, smell, social interaction, being loving, bliss. They are healing tools because they are the nutrients of Life. We can't be healthy without constant rations of all of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Hello, I am fairly new to this forum, and I have been reading the magnetic sleep pad thread with some interest. I would like to share my story. Six years ago I met Dr. Bonlie in Asheville NC at a Whole Life Expo there where he had a booth and was selling these pads. I bought the 4 gauss one that went underneath the mattress. The first 6 weeks of sleeping on this I felt absolutely great. After that, I started going downhill and by the end of 2 months, I knew something was severely wrong with me. I called Dr. Bonlie up and explained my symptoms. He was quite concerned and came to the conclusion that more than likely what i was experiencing was mercury toxicity. Dr. Bonlie, before he became intersted in magnetic therapy was a former dentist in Canada. He said that he had seen this happen with a few other people who had used the pad. It was his feeling (and later confirmed by my acupuncturist)that the high negative magentic field had caused a huge load of mercury to be thrown out of tissue storage. I immediately stopped using the pad. I had a very difficult time with this for about 2 months after, I did not get the blood chelation treatment at the time, but did use every available means of homeoptahy and eating chorella and cilantro to help. I think that I did not get rid of all the mercury that my body contains, that which was stirred up in the blood was eliminated, and probably the rest the liver and kidneys could not handle went back into tissue storage. I wonder has anyone else ever experienced being mercury toxic, and specifically from using magnetic therapy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Hello List. I have a lot of work to do (am trying to get a manuscript finished this week), but this discussion about magnets is very important and I want to add what I have learned. It might help save someone's health. There have been many postings with numerous topics, and I will try to address the salient points, including those made by Dennis (who wrote that anyone can make a mattress pad), and (who wrote that after sleeping on a MagnetiCo pad, her body quickly began detoxifying from mercury and she had to discontinue using the pad). Those of you who know me, know that I dislike heavy advertising of products and like a bargain. I also like to encourage people to be as self-empowered as possible, so if it were at all possible to make it yourself, I say, " Go for it! " However, I truly believe that making your own magnetic mattress pad, unless you know what you're doing, might be harmful unless you are really careful. For what it's worth, here is my experience with magnets. I posted some of this to the list about a year and a half ago, but it bears repeating. About two years ago, I borrowed a Nikken car seat from a nice neighbor because I spend long hours at the computer and wanted to try it out for my back. Nikken prides itself on producing bi-polar magnets--that is, North and South Poles combined. After sitting on the car seat for two weeks, my back felt wonderful. At three weeks, I reached a plateau. After that point, I no longer wanted to sit at the computer and work--even though I had pressing deadlines (I was working on another book, my Rife Handbook)--but I kept thinking it was me, not connecting it with the car seat. I'm sometimes at the computer 14 hours a day, that's my work; so my not wanting to spend this time working was very unusual for me. Meanwhile, Zuma, my full-size, 15-pound Chihuahua who always sits at my back when I work (like a warm furry pillow), developed a free-floating fatty tumor lump almost the size of a cherry tomato after the second month, just under the skin at her hind leg. It was a fatty tumor, not cancerous, and not bothering her, so I just watched it grow and noted its size. After about the second month, I kept remarking to my companion that my memory had started to fail, and I even joked with him about getting senile early. My ability to focus became totally shot, and I didn't want to do very much of anything. Meanwhile, I had a book to finish.and it simply wasn't getting done. I moped around, walking from room to room, managing to find anything to do except finish that book. Then Kallie began posting to this list about how ANY magnet--even if the beneficial North Pole is against the body--will invariably emit some harmful South Pole emanations as well, due to the way that magnetic lines of force naturally travel (this is in all magnets). Intuitively and finally, I knew what was wrong. I gave the car seat back to my neighbor, telling her that I thought Nikken was exceptionally dangerous because they actively promote the South Pole addition. It took me over a year to finally get my memory back--and even then, I never felt the same afterwards. A little less than a year after I removed the car seat from my computer station, Zuma developed three tumors on her breast that were partially cancerous. One of them tripled in size (from two to a little over six millimeters) in less than 8 hours. Although I'm generally VERY disinclined to go for allopathic measures, I didn't want to take a chance with my beloved friend, so I had her in for surgery in two days. Because I was feeding her mostly raw organic food, gave her colloidal silver, and used the Rife equipment with her, I believe this helped her greatly and is why not all the cells from the tumors were cancerous. But, in retrospect, I really had to wonder about the magnets. Her free-floating fatty tumor was removed at the same time as the three cancerous breast tumors, along with three nipples. Meanwhile, I met a woman who had been sleeping on a Nikken mattress pad for over two years. When I sent her a letter outlining my symptoms and those of my dog, she was shaken, because she had begun experiencing memory problems AND had begun growing fatty tumors after purchasing a Nikken mattress pad! She discontinued using the Nikken pad. About six months later, she discovered that she has a brain tumor and needs surgery. Coincidence? The similarities are striking. You might think that placing the North Pole side of a flat magnet against the body is okay, but remember the way the lines of force naturally flow. Some North Pole energy will get into the South Pole side and some South Pole energy will get into the North Pole side. Kallie has already posted the differences between the effects of the North and South Pole sides of a magnet, so I will make only one point here. The effects of North and South Pole energy are very different. North Pole energy is gentle and slow. South Pole energy works much more quickly. Under a very few circumstances, the South Pole side is used with good results--for instance, people put potted plants on the South Pole side of a flat magnet and the plants spring up almost overnight. South Pole energy is excellent for sprouting seeds. However, this rapid forcing of natural processes also has a down side. Things grow at an abnormal rate, including TUMORS. (By the way, you can also get seeds to sprout quickly by putting them in water with a little food grade hydrogen peroxide.) About three years ago, before I learned about the strong effects that South Pole energy can have, I traded some services for a magnet pad from an unknown company. I felt some relief for about two weeks, then hit a plateau. Thank goodness I took it off my bed! My friend traded it to me because she felt exactly the same way: initially she liked it, but then didn't feel right about it. I gave it to someone so she could use the magnets on her refrigerator. Now, I do think that bi-polar magnets can be helpful if used judiciously FOR A LIMITED TIME. This combination energy can be very helpful and results can be rapid and almost miraculous. I experienced it myself, placing a small Nikken magnet on a knee whose muscle had torn. I wore the magnet for about 3 weeks almost continually. However--this story is now familiar with me--I then hit a plateau and no matter what I did, nothing changed. At that point I took the magnet off. I did this without knowing at the time the potential dangers. I have very tiny " spot " magnets that are made to be put onto the body for pain. I use them sometimes, but not for more than 8 hours at a time. And even then, I don't use them often. Mattress pads are particularly insidious because one, the person is on them for such a long time; two, the entire body is involved; and three, most mattress pads are placed directly under the sheet. This means that weakening South Pole spikes enter the body even though the North Pole side is facing the body. After a time, the benefits from the North Pole energy are mitigated by the debilitating effects of South Pole energy. My bias against a particular mattress pad company or companies is based on my growing respect for the power of magnets. I trust Kallie, and eventually bought a MagnetiCo mattress pad from her, even though it's pricey. It emits only North Pole energy. At first, I felt immediately better. My muscle pain considerably diminished and I slept more soundly. After about a month, I felt wide awake and jittery when lying on the pad and couldn't stand to sleep with it. So I called Dr. Dean Bonlie. He told me that I had heavy metal in my system and that my body was detoxifying too quickly and the metals were irritating my nerves. I wasn't sure whether or not to trust this assessment--but, not having any better idea, I removed the mattress pad and began taking DMSA to help chelate the metals out of my body. (Dr. Bonlie gave me the prescription for it. It worked only fair, for lots of reasons. If I had to do it over again now, I would use other things. I have since found that Super Greens from Inner Light works very well.) Then, by a wonderful stroke of synchronicity, I was gifted with a FIR sauna cabinet and began to detoxify through almost daily sweating. After about six or seven months, I put the mattress pad back. Only this time, it went under the box spring and not the mattress, to put even more distance between me and the pad. This arrangement continues to work for me. I now sleep well without any disturbing symptoms, with the pad beneath the box spring. My two dogs also have a MagnetiCo mattress pad. They show a clear preference for sleeping and resting on it. So, folks, if you want to make your own mattress pad, I suggest the following: 1) Be sure to build one with North Pole energy ONLY; 2) Have a way of measuring that you are indeed receiving only North Pole energy. This is much too important a matter. If you do make yourself a bi-polar (North and South Poles together, in some configuration) mattress pad, I strongly recommend using it for a limited time only--say, two weeks on and four weeks off. I can't emphasize this enough. By the way, MagnetiCo will give you ALL your money back within 6 months IF you promise to try the pad continually for at least 4 months. No other company I know of has this guarantee. In Canada, the pad is classified as a medical device. This means that the company had to do testing. None of the bi-polar magnet pad companies do this. What does this tell you? As for Jim's suggestion of walking on the Earth barefoot, I agree. It feels wonderful. Except not now; there's snow on the ground where I live Be well, everyone.and please, please be careful. I'm one of the thriftiest people I know. If there's even a *chance* that I can save money by doing it myself, I'll do it. But with magnets, one really needs to be careful. One's health, and even life, is too important. Blessings to all, Nina Nina Silver, Ph.D. Author, *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Read excerpts from, and order the book at http://www.healingheart-harmonics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Dear Nina, My experience parallels yours. I bought a Magnetico mattress from Dr. Bonlie in 1995, and was a dealer for them briefly. I installed the magnetic mattress under the 8 " bed mattress. I found that I had improved sleep for a few months, and then a 'jittery' feeling. I removed the mattress and eventually gave it away. I bought one for my parents and their experience was similar. Good for a few months, then weirdness. They removed it and put it in storage. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH http://www.plasmafire.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: oxyplus To: <oxyplus > Subject: Re: Magnetic sleep pad Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 05:33:10 -0500 Hello List. I have a lot of work to do (am trying to get a manuscript finished this week), but this discussion about magnets is very important and I want to add what I have learned. It might help save someone's health. There have been many postings with numerous topics, and I will try to address the salient points, including those made by Dennis (who wrote that anyone can make a mattress pad), and (who wrote that after sleeping on a MagnetiCo pad, her body quickly began detoxifying from mercury and she had to discontinue using the pad). Those of you who know me, know that I dislike heavy advertising of products and like a bargain. I also like to encourage people to be as self-empowered as possible, so if it were at all possible to make it yourself, I say, " Go for it! " However, I truly believe that making your own magnetic mattress pad, unless you know what you're doing, might be harmful unless you are really careful. For what it's worth, here is my experience with magnets. I posted some of this to the list about a year and a half ago, but it bears repeating. About two years ago, I borrowed a Nikken car seat from a nice neighbor because I spend long hours at the computer and wanted to try it out for my back. Nikken prides itself on producing bi-polar magnets--that is, North and South Poles combined. After sitting on the car seat for two weeks, my back felt wonderful. At three weeks, I reached a plateau. After that point, I no longer wanted to sit at the computer and work--even though I had pressing deadlines (I was working on another book, my Rife Handbook)--but I kept thinking it was me, not connecting it with the car seat. I'm sometimes at the computer 14 hours a day, that's my work; so my not wanting to spend this time working was very unusual for me. Meanwhile, Zuma, my full-size, 15-pound Chihuahua who always sits at my back when I work (like a warm furry pillow), developed a free-floating fatty tumor lump almost the size of a cherry tomato after the second month, just under the skin at her hind leg. It was a fatty tumor, not cancerous, and not bothering her, so I just watched it grow and noted its size. After about the second month, I kept remarking to my companion that my memory had started to fail, and I even joked with him about getting senile early. My ability to focus became totally shot, and I didn't want to do very much of anything. Meanwhile, I had a book to finish.and it simply wasn't getting done. I moped around, walking from room to room, managing to find anything to do except finish that book. Then Kallie began posting to this list about how ANY magnet--even if the beneficial North Pole is against the body--will invariably emit some harmful South Pole emanations as well, due to the way that magnetic lines of force naturally travel (this is in all magnets). Intuitively and finally, I knew what was wrong. I gave the car seat back to my neighbor, telling her that I thought Nikken was exceptionally dangerous because they actively promote the South Pole addition. It took me over a year to finally get my memory back--and even then, I never felt the same afterwards. A little less than a year after I removed the car seat from my computer station, Zuma developed three tumors on her breast that were partially cancerous. One of them tripled in size (from two to a little over six millimeters) in less than 8 hours. Although I'm generally VERY disinclined to go for allopathic measures, I didn't want to take a chance with my beloved friend, so I had her in for surgery in two days. Because I was feeding her mostly raw organic food, gave her colloidal silver, and used the Rife equipment with her, I believe this helped her greatly and is why not all the cells from the tumors were cancerous. But, in retrospect, I really had to wonder about the magnets. Her free-floating fatty tumor was removed at the same time as the three cancerous breast tumors, along with three nipples. Meanwhile, I met a woman who had been sleeping on a Nikken mattress pad for over two years. When I sent her a letter outlining my symptoms and those of my dog, she was shaken, because she had begun experiencing memory problems AND had begun growing fatty tumors after purchasing a Nikken mattress pad! She discontinued using the Nikken pad. About six months later, she discovered that she has a brain tumor and needs surgery. Coincidence? The similarities are striking. You might think that placing the North Pole side of a flat magnet against the body is okay, but remember the way the lines of force naturally flow. Some North Pole energy will get into the South Pole side and some South Pole energy will get into the North Pole side. Kallie has already posted the differences between the effects of the North and South Pole sides of a magnet, so I will make only one point here. The effects of North and South Pole energy are very different. North Pole energy is gentle and slow. South Pole energy works much more quickly. Under a very few circumstances, the South Pole side is used with good results--for instance, people put potted plants on the South Pole side of a flat magnet and the plants spring up almost overnight. South Pole energy is excellent for sprouting seeds. However, this rapid forcing of natural processes also has a down side. Things grow at an abnormal rate, including TUMORS. (By the way, you can also get seeds to sprout quickly by putting them in water with a little food grade hydrogen peroxide.) About three years ago, before I learned about the strong effects that South Pole energy can have, I traded some services for a magnet pad from an unknown company. I felt some relief for about two weeks, then hit a plateau. Thank goodness I took it off my bed! My friend traded it to me because she felt exactly the same way: initially she liked it, but then didn't feel right about it. I gave it to someone so she could use the magnets on her refrigerator. Now, I do think that bi-polar magnets can be helpful if used judiciously FOR A LIMITED TIME. This combination energy can be very helpful and results can be rapid and almost miraculous. I experienced it myself, placing a small Nikken magnet on a knee whose muscle had torn. I wore the magnet for about 3 weeks almost continually. However--this story is now familiar with me--I then hit a plateau and no matter what I did, nothing changed. At that point I took the magnet off. I did this without knowing at the time the potential dangers. I have very tiny " spot " magnets that are made to be put onto the body for pain. I use them sometimes, but not for more than 8 hours at a time. And even then, I don't use them often. Mattress pads are particularly insidious because one, the person is on them for such a long time; two, the entire body is involved; and three, most mattress pads are placed directly under the sheet. This means that weakening South Pole spikes enter the body even though the North Pole side is facing the body. After a time, the benefits from the North Pole energy are mitigated by the debilitating effects of South Pole energy. My bias against a particular mattress pad company or companies is based on my growing respect for the power of magnets. I trust Kallie, and eventually bought a MagnetiCo mattress pad from her, even though it's pricey. It emits only North Pole energy. At first, I felt immediately better. My muscle pain considerably diminished and I slept more soundly. After about a month, I felt wide awake and jittery when lying on the pad and couldn't stand to sleep with it. So I called Dr. Dean Bonlie. He told me that I had heavy metal in my system and that my body was detoxifying too quickly and the metals were irritating my nerves. I wasn't sure whether or not to trust this assessment--but, not having any better idea, I removed the mattress pad and began taking DMSA to help chelate the metals out of my body. (Dr. Bonlie gave me the prescription for it. It worked only fair, for lots of reasons. If I had to do it over again now, I would use other things. I have since found that Super Greens from Inner Light works very well.) Then, by a wonderful stroke of synchronicity, I was gifted with a FIR sauna cabinet and began to detoxify through almost daily sweating. After about six or seven months, I put the mattress pad back. Only this time, it went under the box spring and not the mattress, to put even more distance between me and the pad. This arrangement continues to work for me. I now sleep well without any disturbing symptoms, with the pad beneath the box spring. My two dogs also have a MagnetiCo mattress pad. They show a clear preference for sleeping and resting on it. So, folks, if you want to make your own mattress pad, I suggest the following: 1) Be sure to build one with North Pole energy ONLY; 2) Have a way of measuring that you are indeed receiving only North Pole energy. This is much too important a matter. If you do make yourself a bi-polar (North and South Poles together, in some configuration) mattress pad, I strongly recommend using it for a limited time only--say, two weeks on and four weeks off. I can't emphasize this enough. By the way, MagnetiCo will give you ALL your money back within 6 months IF you promise to try the pad continually for at least 4 months. No other company I know of has this guarantee. In Canada, the pad is classified as a medical device. This means that the company had to do testing. None of the bi-polar magnet pad companies do this. What does this tell you? As for Jim's suggestion of walking on the Earth barefoot, I agree. It feels wonderful. Except not now; there's snow on the ground where I live Be well, everyone.and please, please be careful. I'm one of the thriftiest people I know. If there's even a *chance* that I can save money by doing it myself, I'll do it. But with magnets, one really needs to be careful. One's health, and even life, is too important. Blessings to all, Nina Nina Silver, Ph.D. Author, *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Read excerpts from, and order the book at http://www.healingheart-harmonics.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello List. I have a lot of work to do (am trying to get a manuscript finished this week), but this discussion about magnets is very important and I want to add what I have learned. It might help save someone's health. [snipped] Blessings to all, Nina Nina Silver, Ph.D. Author, *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Read excerpts from, and order the book at http://www.healingheart-harmonics.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nina; I didn't notice your expose' giving notice to one of the reasons for the north/south pole combining of the magnetic products. In fact it questioned its use. Nikken uses a checker board pattern of various sizes for their various types and sizes of products, where other manufacturers use circular patterns of north/south combinations like that of a dart board or target. The purpose for this is to cause the Hall Effect to the blood flow and nerve ends. http://www.curiousquest.com/magnetics/biomagnetics.htm The Hall Effect is caused by the blood passing over a north and then a south magnetic field. This then causes an acceleration to the blood cells and then causes, in a relative sense, a microwave effect of cellular acceleration. This movement then warms the cells ever so slightly and in a way that the cell is encouraged to open up to nutritional input. http://www.flyingdogpress.com/magfaq.html An example of protecting against the Hall Effect is in the electrical trade. Sometimes more than one set of wires may be needed to supply enough current to a particular service, switch or distribution panel. This quite often happens with large commercial buildings with three phase wiring of which is provided to them. So instead of just one run of conduit there may be two, three or even more conduits ran for wire to be put in to supply the need. The National Code requires that one wire of each phase be ran in each conduit if more than one wire is needed to make up a feed to the panel. It will not allow a single conduit for each for each phase. That means if there are three conduits run to run three wires each for a three-phase system a wire from each phase must be in each conduit, three wires of one phase in one conduit isn't considered as safe wiring. If the wire is run so that each conduit has only one phase of the circuit's wiring, the place where the conduit connects to the metallic box will have a very serious problem with the magnetic effect. That connection point, because of induced currents into the conduit from the wires, can have an extreme heat buildup in the area between the connections where they attach to metal box. This then can get so hot as to cause the wire's jacket to melt and then expose the wire causing it to short to ground and make for a fire or in some rare cases an explosion. One other thing that can happen is the heat change along with cooling can cause an insulating of the conduit from the panels. So, in a nutshell it all boils down to understanding that in using biomagnetic therapies along with oxygen therapies there is a potential of a lot of good happening when used in a proper balance. Magnets like oxygen have their limits of use before becoming detrimental to the person using it. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Re: Magnetic sleep pad > Ron, > > No. The north-seeking side of a bi-polar magnet is calming, the > South-seeking side is exciting. The excitement from magnetism & Em of > all sorts is most powerful in acting on fast-replicating cells. High > frequency EM increases the growth rate of cancer cells 600%! From Nina's > anecdotes, possibly no-frequency magnetism also speeds it. Jim, Actually, Dean Bonlie DOES say that for people living South of the equator, the situation is reversed. I would love to hear from Kallie at this point. Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Ron, No. The north-seeking side of a bi-polar magnet is calming, the South-seeking side is exciting. The excitement from magnetism & Em of all sorts is most powerful in acting on fast-replicating cells. High frequency EM increases the growth rate of cancer cells 600%! From Nina's anecdotes, possibly no-frequency magnetism also speeds it. It must also be understood that the presence or absence of a frequency connected to the magnetism will affect the outcome. Anything over 30Hz tends to make humans edgy. Above 1000 Hz it can imbalance body functions & negatively affect disease processes. At 14-18 Hz it helps those with ADD/ADHD focus better. Below 12Hz it is healthy, from 4-8 Hz, it is healing. From 0-4 Hz is sleep & at 1/2 to 1 Hz it triggers release of growth hormone from the pituitary, which is the difference between waking refreshed or not. If you don't awaken refreshed, then you need melatonin/5-HTP or tryptophan & exercise, because you are not getting down below 1 Hz while sleeping. One of melatonin's functions is to take you to deep sleep. (If you choose the more natural option of taking the essential amino acid tryptophan, or eating bean sprouts to get your aminos (the best option) then you MUST exercise regularly! To get past the blood-brain barier (BBB) most aminos have to get a piggyback ride on a protein. Exercising places demands on many other aminos for muscle repair, leaving the tryptophan less compeition for hitching a ride across the BBB. Since I'm on the subject, tryptophan or its by-products are critically involved in cellular hydration.) Studies done on pregnant women working on computers for a 40-hour week showed a 40% miscarriage rate. (I can't remember if this factoid came to me from reading Dr. O. Becker or Dr.Bob Beck. IMO, Becker can be taken at his word, while Beck's pronouncements require verification.) The Earth has many frequencies that are naturally produced, but they have averaged to about 7.82-8 Hz ever since monitoring began. Some people say the frequency of the Earth has risen to 14 Hz, but I haven't seen anything yet that absolutely convinces me. Other researchers say it is a mean frequency, not an absolute frequency, and it remains the same, just below 8 Hz. jim Ron Inda wrote: >If you live south of the equator would a north pole >magnet be more appropriate??..,Ron Inda > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Re: Magnetic sleep pad > Dear Nina, > > My experience parallels yours. I bought a Magnetico mattress > from Dr. Bonlie in 1995, and was a dealer for them briefly. > I installed the magnetic mattress under the 8 " bed mattress. > I found that I had improved sleep for a few months, and then > a 'jittery' feeling. I removed the mattress and eventually gave > it away. > > I bought one for my parents and their experience was similar. Good > for a few months, then weirdness. They removed it and put it in storage. > > Best of Health! > Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH > http://www.plasmafire.com Hi Saul. Did you ever give this feedback to Dean Bonlie? One might think that you of all people, with your ready access to ozone saunas, would NOT be toxified from heavy metals -- so I wonder why you had that response. Perhaps you were loaded with certain chemicals and didn't know it. In any case, this points to the necessity of getting those toxins out of the system. My experience with DMSA was not entirely productive -- meaning it didn't do the job. Perhaps it was because during the time I was taking it, I tried to be my own doctor and didn't take it at all the times specified. I am aware that various holistic practitioners and researchers disagree as to DMSA's effectiveness, period. For whatever reason, taking DMSA didn't do it for me. However, once I did more detox, I found that I WAS able to lie atop the MagnetiCo mattress pad, as long as it was about 8 or 9 inches beneath my body. If the North Pole energy did indeed pull heavy metals from my tissues, I am impressed. Based on what Dean told me, I am inclined to think it did. Nina Nina Silver, Ph.D. Author, *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Read excerpts from, and order the book at http://www.healingheart-harmonics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Re: Magnetic sleep pad > Dear Nina, > > My experience parallels yours. I bought a Magnetico mattress > from Dr. Bonlie in 1995, and was a dealer for them briefly. > I installed the magnetic mattress under the 8 " bed mattress. > I found that I had improved sleep for a few months, and then > a 'jittery' feeling. I removed the mattress and eventually gave > it away. > > I bought one for my parents and their experience was similar. Good > for a few months, then weirdness. They removed it and put it in storage. > > Best of Health! > Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH > http://www.plasmafire.com Hi Saul. Did you ever give this feedback to Dean Bonlie? One might think that you of all people, with your ready access to ozone saunas, would NOT be toxified from heavy metals -- so I wonder why you had that response. Perhaps you were loaded with certain chemicals and didn't know it. In any case, this points to the necessity of getting those toxins out of the system. My experience with DMSA was not entirely productive -- meaning it didn't do the job. Perhaps it was because during the time I was taking it, I tried to be my own doctor and didn't take it at all the times specified. I am aware that various holistic practitioners and researchers disagree as to DMSA's effectiveness, period. For whatever reason, taking DMSA didn't do it for me. However, once I did more detox, I found that I WAS able to lie atop the MagnetiCo mattress pad, as long as it was about 8 or 9 inches beneath my body. If the North Pole energy did indeed pull heavy metals from my tissues, I am impressed. Based on what Dean told me, I am inclined to think it did. Nina Nina Silver, Ph.D. Author, *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* Read excerpts from, and order the book at http://www.healingheart-harmonics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 I felt the negative effects, but blood panels showed no mercury nor other heavy metal toxins. drshinegs wrote: > > Hello, > I am fairly new to this forum, and I have been reading the magnetic > sleep pad thread with some interest. I would like to share my story. > > Six years ago I met Dr. Bonlie in Asheville NC at a Whole Life Expo > there where he had a booth and was selling these pads. I bought the 4 > gauss one that went underneath the mattress. The first 6 weeks of > sleeping on this I felt absolutely great. After that, I started going > downhill and by the end of 2 months, I knew something was severely > wrong with me. I called Dr. Bonlie up and explained my symptoms. He > was quite concerned and came to the conclusion that more than likely > what i was experiencing was mercury toxicity. Dr. Bonlie, before he > became intersted in magnetic therapy was a former dentist in Canada. > He said that he had seen this happen with a few other people who had > used the pad. It was his feeling (and later confirmed by my > acupuncturist)that the high negative magentic field had caused a huge > load of mercury to be thrown out of tissue storage. I immediately > stopped using the pad. I had a very difficult time with this for > about 2 months after, I did not get the blood chelation treatment at > the time, but did use every available means of homeoptahy and eating > chorella and cilantro to help. I think that I did not get rid of all > the mercury that my body contains, that which was stirred up in the > blood was eliminated, and probably the rest the liver and kidneys > could not handle went back into tissue storage. > I wonder has anyone else ever experienced being mercury toxic, and > specifically from using magnetic therapy? > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 I felt the negative effects, but blood panels showed no mercury nor other heavy metal toxins. drshinegs wrote: > > Hello, > I am fairly new to this forum, and I have been reading the magnetic > sleep pad thread with some interest. I would like to share my story. > > Six years ago I met Dr. Bonlie in Asheville NC at a Whole Life Expo > there where he had a booth and was selling these pads. I bought the 4 > gauss one that went underneath the mattress. The first 6 weeks of > sleeping on this I felt absolutely great. After that, I started going > downhill and by the end of 2 months, I knew something was severely > wrong with me. I called Dr. Bonlie up and explained my symptoms. He > was quite concerned and came to the conclusion that more than likely > what i was experiencing was mercury toxicity. Dr. Bonlie, before he > became intersted in magnetic therapy was a former dentist in Canada. > He said that he had seen this happen with a few other people who had > used the pad. It was his feeling (and later confirmed by my > acupuncturist)that the high negative magentic field had caused a huge > load of mercury to be thrown out of tissue storage. I immediately > stopped using the pad. I had a very difficult time with this for > about 2 months after, I did not get the blood chelation treatment at > the time, but did use every available means of homeoptahy and eating > chorella and cilantro to help. I think that I did not get rid of all > the mercury that my body contains, that which was stirred up in the > blood was eliminated, and probably the rest the liver and kidneys > could not handle went back into tissue storage. > I wonder has anyone else ever experienced being mercury toxic, and > specifically from using magnetic therapy? > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Nina, Heavy metals aren't necessary to make one feel edgy. It is axiomatic in Chinese medicine that when pain is involved the meridian is over-energy. So, all magnets would need to do in time is interrupt normal grounding, or add to the body's electric. (pun intended) Either way, energy would build up in the individual & a vague edginess would be likely. When I drive cross-country I get a lot of neck & back pain from sitting still so long. I get extremely over-energy. I have a 2 pound crystal in my car, I call it my " big honker. " I use the yin end to suck over-energy (pain) out of an area, & the yang end like a laser to add energy, jump-starting a sluggish meridian. Doing this in sunlight with a large Vogel wand, I call it solar crystal charging. One can feel the body take on energy, especially at the 2nd, 3rd & 4th chakras. So far, I have only felt it this intensely using a large Vogel wand. They do seem more potent than natural crystals. jim Nina Silver wrote: >Hi Saul. >Did you ever give this feedback to Dean Bonlie? > >One might think that you of all people, with your ready access to ozone saunas, >would NOT be toxified from heavy metals -- so I wonder why you had that >response. Perhaps you were loaded with certain chemicals and didn't know it. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Nina, Heavy metals aren't necessary to make one feel edgy. It is axiomatic in Chinese medicine that when pain is involved the meridian is over-energy. So, all magnets would need to do in time is interrupt normal grounding, or add to the body's electric. (pun intended) Either way, energy would build up in the individual & a vague edginess would be likely. When I drive cross-country I get a lot of neck & back pain from sitting still so long. I get extremely over-energy. I have a 2 pound crystal in my car, I call it my " big honker. " I use the yin end to suck over-energy (pain) out of an area, & the yang end like a laser to add energy, jump-starting a sluggish meridian. Doing this in sunlight with a large Vogel wand, I call it solar crystal charging. One can feel the body take on energy, especially at the 2nd, 3rd & 4th chakras. So far, I have only felt it this intensely using a large Vogel wand. They do seem more potent than natural crystals. jim Nina Silver wrote: >Hi Saul. >Did you ever give this feedback to Dean Bonlie? > >One might think that you of all people, with your ready access to ozone saunas, >would NOT be toxified from heavy metals -- so I wonder why you had that >response. Perhaps you were loaded with certain chemicals and didn't know it. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 > > drshinegs wrote: > > Six years ago I met Dr. Bonlie in Asheville NC at a Whole Life Expo > > there where he had a booth and was selling these pads. I bought the 4 > > gauss one that went underneath the mattress. The first 6 weeks of > > sleeping on this I felt absolutely great. After that, I started going > > downhill and by the end of 2 months, I knew something was severely > > wrong with me. I called Dr. Bonlie up and explained my symptoms. He > > was quite concerned and came to the conclusion that more than likely > > what i was experiencing was mercury toxicity. Dr. Bonlie, before he > > became intersted in magnetic therapy was a former dentist in Canada. > > He said that he had seen this happen with a few other people who had > > used the pad. It was his feeling (and later confirmed by my > > acupuncturist)that the high negative magentic field had caused a huge > > load of mercury to be thrown out of tissue storage. I immediately > > stopped using the pad. I had a very difficult time with this for > > about 2 months after, I did not get the blood chelation treatment at > > the time, but did use every available means of homeoptahy and eating > > chorella and cilantro to help. I think that I did not get rid of all > > the mercury that my body contains, that which was stirred up in the > > blood was eliminated, and probably the rest the liver and kidneys > > could not handle went back into tissue storage. > > I wonder has anyone else ever experienced being mercury toxic, and > > specifically from using magnetic therapy? McCourt, Ph.D. > I felt the negative effects, but blood panels showed no mercury nor > other heavy metal toxins. Well, I am very curious as to what this is all about. Kallie? Would you care to comment? Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 > > drshinegs wrote: > > Six years ago I met Dr. Bonlie in Asheville NC at a Whole Life Expo > > there where he had a booth and was selling these pads. I bought the 4 > > gauss one that went underneath the mattress. The first 6 weeks of > > sleeping on this I felt absolutely great. After that, I started going > > downhill and by the end of 2 months, I knew something was severely > > wrong with me. I called Dr. Bonlie up and explained my symptoms. He > > was quite concerned and came to the conclusion that more than likely > > what i was experiencing was mercury toxicity. Dr. Bonlie, before he > > became intersted in magnetic therapy was a former dentist in Canada. > > He said that he had seen this happen with a few other people who had > > used the pad. It was his feeling (and later confirmed by my > > acupuncturist)that the high negative magentic field had caused a huge > > load of mercury to be thrown out of tissue storage. I immediately > > stopped using the pad. I had a very difficult time with this for > > about 2 months after, I did not get the blood chelation treatment at > > the time, but did use every available means of homeoptahy and eating > > chorella and cilantro to help. I think that I did not get rid of all > > the mercury that my body contains, that which was stirred up in the > > blood was eliminated, and probably the rest the liver and kidneys > > could not handle went back into tissue storage. > > I wonder has anyone else ever experienced being mercury toxic, and > > specifically from using magnetic therapy? McCourt, Ph.D. > I felt the negative effects, but blood panels showed no mercury nor > other heavy metal toxins. Well, I am very curious as to what this is all about. Kallie? Would you care to comment? Nina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 Would there be any benefit from putting the magnets in a comforter arrangement on top of the body? I am remembering time lapse movies of sleepers frequently changing their positions at night. Would the subconscious shift the magnetic cover (field) as needed? Nina Silver wrote: > > So, folks, if you want to make your own mattress pad, I suggest the following: > > 1) Be sure to build one with North Pole energy ONLY; > > 2) Have a way of measuring that you are indeed receiving only North Pole energy. > This is much too important a matter. > > If you do make yourself a bi-polar (North and South Poles together, in some > configuration) mattress pad, I strongly recommend using it for a limited time > only--say, two weeks on and four weeks off. I can't emphasize this enough. > > By the way, MagnetiCo will give you ALL your money back within 6 months IF you > promise to try the pad continually for at least 4 months. No other company I > know of has this guarantee. In Canada, the pad is classified as a medical > device. This means that the company had to do testing. None of the bi-polar > magnet pad companies do this. What does this tell you? > > As for Jim's suggestion of walking on the Earth barefoot, I agree. It feels > wonderful. Except not now; there's snow on the ground where I live > > Be well, everyone.and please, please be careful. I'm one of the thriftiest > people I know. If there's even a *chance* that I can save money by doing it > myself, I'll do it. But with magnets, one really needs to be careful. One's > health, and even life, is too important. > > Blessings to all, > Nina > > Nina Silver, Ph.D. > Author, *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing* > Read excerpts from, and order the book at > http://www.healingheart-harmonics.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2002 Report Share Posted November 29, 2002 To which wand to you refer? http://www.crystalheaven.com/Vogel%20Mineral%20Wands%20Pictures.htm Jim Lambert wrote: > > Nina, > > Heavy metals aren't necessary to make one feel edgy. It is axiomatic in > Chinese medicine that when pain is involved the meridian is over-energy. > So, all magnets would need to do in time is interrupt normal grounding, > or add to the body's electric. (pun intended) Either way, energy would > build up in the individual & a vague edginess would be likely. > > When I drive cross-country I get a lot of neck & back pain from sitting > still so long. I get extremely over-energy. I have a 2 pound crystal in > my car, I call it my " big honker. " I use the yin end to suck over-energy > (pain) out of an area, & the yang end like a laser to add energy, > jump-starting a sluggish meridian. Doing this in sunlight with a large > Vogel wand, I call it solar crystal charging. One can feel the body take > on energy, especially at the 2nd, 3rd & 4th chakras. So far, I have only > felt it this intensely using a large Vogel wand. They do seem more > potent than natural crystals. > > jim > > Nina Silver wrote: > > >Hi Saul. > >Did you ever give this feedback to Dean Bonlie? > > > >One might think that you of all people, with your ready access to ozone saunas, > >would NOT be toxified from heavy metals -- so I wonder why you had that > >response. Perhaps you were loaded with certain chemicals and didn't know it. > > > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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