Guest guest Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Mr. Dallen, It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC) Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. - Jefferson (1743 - 1826) W.G. Ubermensch Sports Consultancy San Diego, CA. > > Universities and scientists were supported by the Church. > > I'd hope the moderators would screen bigoted attacks. > > Skip Dallen > Covina, CA > > ==================== > > Re: CNS fatigue > > > Jon Haddan writes asking: > <<CNS fatigue seems to be a bit of a black box. Is there > any real scientific understanding of it that addresses > it in the way it typically is discussed by coaches, or > is it just an explanation for declining performance > when no other cause can be found?>>> > > ****** > CNS fatigue is one of those je ne sais pas along with spontaneous remission. That is to say the term is bantied around continually as if there is some intrinsic, perhaps esoteric, meaning implied. You ask if there is any " real scientific understanding " . Methinks NOT. Here we're dealing with what Aussie philosopher of neuroscience and consciousness Chalmers deems one of the hard problems: qualia, a term from . > > And it is with we must start. Remember the scientific heresy? From the Latin Renaissance until the triumph of the anonymous Rosicrucian texts of 1614-1617, the Roman Church treated science as heresy and scientists as heretics, some being condemned, some burned at the stake. The Rosicrucain texts, chiefly the Fama Frat ernitatus, held that one could come to know the mind of God by reading the Book of Nature (Liber Mundi): that resolved the dilemma between science and revelation in one book (Bible or Koran is today's quest ion). The deal that resulted was that scientists could study External, Measurable phenomena but had to leave the mind alone since it is the seat of the Soul or Psyche, property of the Holy Roman Church and it's little foreign dictator who hallucinates the Skygod talking to him. It was in the wake of Darwin, Marx, and Wagner that in the early Post-Christian era in 1878 established the first psychology lab in the world: a new era was born, and Nietschze published the obituary of Skygod. > > CNS fatigue is much talked about, as if it's a given, a force of nature that reigns supreme, perhaps the skygod of weight training who imposes his wrathful limits just when you want to move forward. Were our " universal science " not colonial imperialist Western Science, then we'd be scouring the world over to comprehend just what the hell " cns fatigue " might mean in terms of observable performance and aquisition of replicable skills - both conditions. The sad state of Western Science is that it's curious culturally bound limits, inherited from medieval Catholic doctrinal superstition, creates a kind of blindsightedness: a science may well observe a phenomen, but if it falls outside the official doctrinal base of Western science, in order to uphold conformity to mediocrity and pseudo-science, then s/he will have a " negative hallucination " : it never happened, I cannot see it. Why risk academic heresy in an academy formed from the social institutions of religion that gave us the Inquisition, Anti-Semiticism, and Crusades? After all, deviation can result in being identified as a heretic, thus being blackballed, not getting tenure, etc. > > Thirty-five years ago a fellowship took me to Japan for further education. On purpose. Having reached the limits of Westen philosophy (a lot of talk about talk, a game without conclusions) and Western psychology (then conveniently divided into two departments: those who followed cocaine addict Freud and his reductionist system of plumbing, pipes and pressures reducing all behavior and inspiration to illnesses and sexual pathologies - what a sicko, and the pre-computer behaviorists denying existence of mind, emotion, obsessed with rodents and worms and mazes, messing up their grandchildren as BF Skinner did), I went off to Asia to learn and practice a psychology going back three thousand years, not less than one-hundred. Of course, we don't recognize it as psychology: our colonialist scholars have made a religion of it in order to conform to patterns of cultural sluggishness. How is it martial artists, for example, can call up and manifest exceptional skills, seemingly going well beyound our standarized notions of mind, body, energy, and fatigue. How can our science be so pathetically stupid and ingrown as to Ignore or Dismiss what folks in other cultures can do? > > In my opinion, most people in their training never come close to CNS fatigue. They simply lack the drive, the concentration, the samadhi, the isshin ni, and a host of other words t hat don't well translate to English or other European languages simply out of their depth with regard to the fauna and flora of mind/spirit/soul. > > Them's my opinions. As a coach, I slip in a lot of covert training of mind/spirit/soul, nominally as " breathing " , attention, focus, drive, all those words. Having earned licenses in Asia the old-fashioned way t hirty-five years ago, I'm not bound to package it in any specific manner, just teach it. Bodhibuilder Zane does much the same. > > cheers from Austin, Texas, Live Music Capitol of the World > > Ken ONeill > Austin, Tejas > kayoneill@... > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > =================== > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 > > > > > Universities and scientists were supported by the Church. > > While the roots of Western universities lie in monastic traditions, historically, the relationship between academics/scientists and organized religion has often been rocky. This is the case currently with research funding in the United States along with the teaching of concepts such as evolution, sexuality, and climate change, but has also been so for hundreds of years in other regions. Galileo is the most obvious example but there are many others. On a list such as Supertraining, which appears to attract science-minded folks, I would imagine that reasoned exchange and critical scrutiny of ideas -- barring ad hominem attacks -- would be preferable to concern over offense to religious sensibilities. Indeed, given the challenges currently experienced by many US scientists with regard to research that the present federal administration does not support ideologically, as well as the gestures towards political theocracy elsewhere in the world, I think it behooves us to retain the spirit of skeptical and curious discourse. Trying to keep a low yet reasonable profile in an undisclosed academic location -- okay, Toronto, ON Krista -Dixon kristascottdixon@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Speaking as a person who has scientific aspirations and at the same time has strong faith - I wholeheartedly support Krista's position. I have no problem with the critical scrutiny of ideas and have no desire to see a group with this much potential crippled by worries over stepping on member's 'religous toes' - so to speak. The original intent of the group was clear and indeed, I had some wonderful personal discussions with Mel Siff regarding matters of faith. It would be a shame to have a group which started with such a broadminded, encompassing individual break into narrow-minded bigotry. Although I see no signs of it doing so and applaud the work of our moderators who have a difficult job to do, but do it so well. Our mandate is clear. Let's keep on as we have done. Krista -Dixon wrote: > > > > > > > > Universities and scientists were supported by the Church. > > > > > While the roots of Western universities lie in monastic traditions, > historically, the relationship between academics/scientists and > organized religion has often been rocky. This is the case currently > with research funding in the United States along with the teaching of > concepts such as evolution, sexuality, and climate change, but has > also been so for hundreds of years in other regions. Galileo is the > most obvious example but there are many others. > > On a list such as Supertraining, which appears to attract > science-minded folks, I would imagine that reasoned exchange and > critical scrutiny of ideas -- barring ad hominem attacks -- would be > preferable to concern over offense to religious sensibilities. Indeed, > given the challenges currently experienced by many US scientists with > regard to research that the present federal administration does not > support ideologically, as well as the gestures towards political > theocracy elsewhere in the world, I think it behooves us to retain the > spirit of skeptical and curious discourse. > > Trying to keep a low yet reasonable profile in an undisclosed academic > location -- okay, Toronto, ON > > Krista -Dixon > kristascottdixon@... <mailto:kristascottdixon%40gmail.com> -- Hobman Saskatoon, CANADA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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