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Do any of your

loved ones have these vivid hallucinations and how do you handle the

problem? I've taken a broom and tried sweeping them out the door, but that

is only a short term stop gap.

My mom takes Risperadol .25mg twice a day. It used to be only at nighttime

but now that she had her surgery its moved up to two times. Also if you have

a pet dog maybe keeping the dog nearby as a sort of protection. Hopefully

like my mom he knows these are only illusions and not real, it helps a great

deal if he is aware. Good luck, Shirley

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Do any of your

loved ones have these vivid hallucinations and how do you handle the

problem? I've taken a broom and tried sweeping them out the door, but that

is only a short term stop gap.

My mom takes Risperadol .25mg twice a day. It used to be only at nighttime

but now that she had her surgery its moved up to two times. Also if you have

a pet dog maybe keeping the dog nearby as a sort of protection. Hopefully

like my mom he knows these are only illusions and not real, it helps a great

deal if he is aware. Good luck, Shirley

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Marilyn

First...that is my mother-in-laws name and I adore her. Welcome to this

group. You will definately find a ton of information and stories as

well as hearts bigger than this disease...shoulders wider than the

world. My dad is 5 yrs into this disease (from time of diagnosis). In

the beginning he used to have the hallucinations, terribly. I remember

a mother snake in his apartment...scared the bageebies out of him. He

has always been TERRIFIED of snakes. I believe he has hallucinated

since then but hasn't talked much for quite a while. Even the past 4

wks., we are lucky to hear a yes or no from him. In that respect I will

be of little help. Just keep in mind that medications can play a very

important role in this disease. There is a fine line in finding the

perfect combination, but don't give up. There is help in medicating the

symptoms. Please keep asking questions and venting and you will be

soothed by the flooding of responses from this wonderful, caring group.

God Bless you and as all others in here, you are added to my ever so

growing list of prayers.

Sandie

Des Moines, IA

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Hi . I am sorry to hear about your Mom. My MIL has this and had it

diagnosed just this last year, but her symptoms have been present for about

5 years. She too was having horrible hallucinations. Some so bad that

before she moved to assisted living, she was calling 911 to report 2 ladies

wanting to steal her socks! It was horrible. The hallucinations and

constant talking to herself seemed endless. Finally, we got on the perfect

medications. My MIL used to be on Remeron, however, that was removed last

fall. Now she takes Risperidal (.5mg), Aricept (10mg), Paxil (30mg),

Seroquel (200mg), and vitamin E. Since they added the Seroquel she is like

a new person. Some of these meds (like Aricept) take a good 3 months to

reveal their full effect. So it is important to give any new med a chance.

I wish you the best of luck with this disease. We had our downhill slides

too. It seems they come, they go and this trend continues on for a long

time.

Take care. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

RE: I'm new

I wanted to comment on the hallucinations. This seems to be

the most problem for my Mom. I was just interested to the

comment of electrical shocks. Mom just went thorugh a siege of

thinking the kids were shocking her all the time, complaining of th

the little wires they were always snapping, etc. I find it

amazing that so many persons on this group all seem to follow

very close the same symptoms don't they. Mom has had this

disease diagnosis for about two years and she is on a real down

hill slide right now. The med she takes is Remeron and then

vitamins E- C and that is it. She is not doing well and the

only other thing was Aricept and she was sleeping about 18 hrs

a day on it.

She begged to wake up and that (Aricept) removal did wake her up.

She does not function very well though as hallucinations and

disorientation are getting the better of her. Joanne

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Barb

In answer to your question of " anyone else seeing our LO hurting

themselves " yes my dad has. He seems to be one big " arm bruise " . I am

sure, since he had been at the hospital and not the former nh, that it

is from flinging his arms around. Even when the staff would have to

change him and he would accidently hit them or his bed, he would bruise.

On a positive note...

The hospice nurse and social worker met dad yesterday and he has seemed

to have sucked them in with the " Big Blue Eyes " look he gives. The

nurse even said, " Merle, Sandie is right, you do have big blue eyes, "

then quietly commented under her breath...wow, that look he gives.

Seemed to tug at her heart. What a positive change in the people in my

dads life!!

Barb - I wish you well with Bill and this journey. You are such a

trooper dealing with all that you have in this short time. Love hearing

that at times you just set up with Bill, giving him time, and how that

calms him. Wonderful job!

Sandie

Des Moines, IA

where we don't keep an ax in the trunk...no need in Iowa...hehehehe

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>In answer to your question of " anyone else seeing our LO hurting

>themselves " yes my dad has. He seems to be one big " arm bruise " . I

>am sure, since he had been at the hospital and not the former nh,

>that it is from flinging his arms around.

Thanks for the reply Sandie, am just curious about self injury. So

often staff is blammed for bruises that are self inflicted, happy to

see that you are not doing that, although all bruises should be

reported.

I went in and checked out the web site for NH that you gave earlier.

As I was waiting I was thinking that it would be real helpful if we

could find out the results of state and federal inspections...and low

and behold that is what is on the site.

Found it very interesting and helpful, for those of you looking for a

nh this should be your first step. It isn't going to tell you the

general atomosphere of the place but gives you an idea of what areas

there are problems. For instance, high number of bedsores could mean

that the staff is not turning or moving resident every 2 hours (if

they are unable to move themselves). Or that they are not looking at

condition of skin, bedsores start with a red area on the skin, and

usually can be stopped at that point. If there are a high number of

incidents and it says they have been corrected check to see that the

correction was on-going.

Another thing it gives is how to contact the Ombudsman for your area,

if you already have a LO in a nursing home and are unhappy about

something and do not get any help from the staff or administration

contact the Ombudsman...it might help.

Was so happy to hear that the staff at the new nh seems to be real

caring and loving, something both your dad and you need at this time.

Was also happy that you and your brother are together at this time,

you will need each others strength. Take care, Barb

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>In answer to your question of " anyone else seeing our LO hurting

>themselves " yes my dad has. He seems to be one big " arm bruise " . I

>am sure, since he had been at the hospital and not the former nh,

>that it is from flinging his arms around.

Thanks for the reply Sandie, am just curious about self injury. So

often staff is blammed for bruises that are self inflicted, happy to

see that you are not doing that, although all bruises should be

reported.

I went in and checked out the web site for NH that you gave earlier.

As I was waiting I was thinking that it would be real helpful if we

could find out the results of state and federal inspections...and low

and behold that is what is on the site.

Found it very interesting and helpful, for those of you looking for a

nh this should be your first step. It isn't going to tell you the

general atomosphere of the place but gives you an idea of what areas

there are problems. For instance, high number of bedsores could mean

that the staff is not turning or moving resident every 2 hours (if

they are unable to move themselves). Or that they are not looking at

condition of skin, bedsores start with a red area on the skin, and

usually can be stopped at that point. If there are a high number of

incidents and it says they have been corrected check to see that the

correction was on-going.

Another thing it gives is how to contact the Ombudsman for your area,

if you already have a LO in a nursing home and are unhappy about

something and do not get any help from the staff or administration

contact the Ombudsman...it might help.

Was so happy to hear that the staff at the new nh seems to be real

caring and loving, something both your dad and you need at this time.

Was also happy that you and your brother are together at this time,

you will need each others strength. Take care, Barb

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Marilyn, welcome, and I am so sorry for what you are going through!!! We

have been blessed that my husband understands the hallucinations to be just

that. We did go through a period this spring during which his REM dreams

produced visions that he truly DID think were real. But later it was learned

that his shortage of oxygen (due broken ribs and abraided lung) were the

reason. " Whatever " we live with that is out of the ordinary or less than

expected, can be dealt with. It just takes us finding eachother to realize

it. Am so glad you found us!!! :-) Cheryl

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Marilyn, welcome, and I am so sorry for what you are going through!!! We

have been blessed that my husband understands the hallucinations to be just

that. We did go through a period this spring during which his REM dreams

produced visions that he truly DID think were real. But later it was learned

that his shortage of oxygen (due broken ribs and abraided lung) were the

reason. " Whatever " we live with that is out of the ordinary or less than

expected, can be dealt with. It just takes us finding eachother to realize

it. Am so glad you found us!!! :-) Cheryl

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In a message dated 3/15/05 2:31:18 PM Central Standard Time,

sgoodburn@... writes:

<< We live on an acerage in NW Iowa, >>

Welcome , I am from Iowa too - central - by Waterloo. My in-laws are

from Storm Lake and the Okoboji area. You will love this group - there are so

many helpful people and much info.

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In a message dated 3/15/05 2:31:18 PM Central Standard Time,

sgoodburn@... writes:

<< We live on an acerage in NW Iowa, >>

Welcome , I am from Iowa too - central - by Waterloo. My in-laws are

from Storm Lake and the Okoboji area. You will love this group - there are so

many helpful people and much info.

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Hi, I just joined this group tonight. I have a 23 year old son who has

had many similar problems that I've read about. When he was young, hee

had thrush, picky eating, throat infections, all by the time he was

two. We did lots of things with him over the years and went to many

developmental doctors and therapists. His development was up and

down. He did OK in school, but was always socially behind. After many

medications and counseling sessions, he stopped all medication when he

was 16. There wasn't a lot of difference. He has just graduated from

college and is back home now. He has always struggled to have friends

and to maintain a job. He has many " autistic tendancies " , but has

never been identified as having autism despite numerous evaluations.

He seems to have his " more " autistic days and his " less " autistic

days. I call him my " surface " guy, because he seems fine for the first

few minutes when you meet him, but there's not a lot below the

surface. He knows all of my concerns and can talk about his behaviors,

but seems unable to change them. I'm very interested in the nose spray.

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>Hi,

It looks that your son would have been diagnosed with Asperger's if he were to

be of

school age now.

I have an Aspie myself, and personally don't beleive in these labels. To me,

there is just

mercury/lead poisoning, those diagnosed with Asperger were just not affected in

their

verbal skills...It's just my view.

I just started the spray myself and it does calm him down and clear his mind at

500ml. I

have tried 1500, the way the doc prescribed and he got hyperactive for two days

(he is 8).

Even though the spray is great, I think you should find a good DAN doctor and

get to the

bottom of his methabolism. If you won't be able to turn back time, at least you

will be able

to detoxify and prevent cancer and other mental problems. There is plenty of

research

right now linking even schizophrenia and Alzheimer's to gut issues. I feel one

day they will

find that most nervous and mental problems lay in that brain (the gut).

Testing him for viral titers, like Herpes 1,2 and 6 is also a good idea..

Hope I could help,

Connie

> Hi, I just joined this group tonight. I have a 23 year old son who has

> had many similar problems that I've read about. When he was young, hee

> had thrush, picky eating, throat infections, all by the time he was

> two. We did lots of things with him over the years and went to many

> developmental doctors and therapists. His development was up and

> down. He did OK in school, but was always socially behind. After many

> medications and counseling sessions, he stopped all medication when he

> was 16. There wasn't a lot of difference. He has just graduated from

> college and is back home now. He has always struggled to have friends

> and to maintain a job. He has many " autistic tendancies " , but has

> never been identified as having autism despite numerous evaluations.

> He seems to have his " more " autistic days and his " less " autistic

> days. I call him my " surface " guy, because he seems fine for the first

> few minutes when you meet him, but there's not a lot below the

> surface. He knows all of my concerns and can talk about his behaviors,

> but seems unable to change them. I'm very interested in the nose spray.

>

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Well, if you're hoping for more feedback, maybe you could let us know what you would like feedback on?  What types of things do you want to know about?  You only mentioned that you are interested in the mb12 spray - what do you want to know about it and I'm sure you'll get plenty of answers (we haven't done it so I can't say much about it).  Also, you may want to look at Stan's site and read about mb12.  Are you interested in antiviral/antifungal/antibacterial therapy?  Are you interested in a particular protocol?  Lots of stuff to discuss if you let us know where to start.If you are new to biomed (which it sounds like you are but I don't know), I have a document that I made up to those that are new to biomed and autism.  Obviously you aren't completely new to it but it might have some helpful research information for you.  Let me know if you would like me to send it to you.  There are also a lot of people on this list that are 1. adults on the spectrum, 2. parents just starting to treat older kids and 3.  parents that have been treating their kids for a long time already and are now older.  I'm sure you will find a lot of help here and support.Welcome to the group.CherylThanks so much for your reply and information--especially since you were the only one that responded . I was hoping for more feedback. I am also wanting to hear from people who hhave tried these types of things with older kids, teenagers, or young adults, and the results. After all of these years, I'm still not willing to let my 23 year old son live an OK life when I know he can have a much better and hopefully more fulfilling life with friends.> >Hi,> It looks that your son would have been diagnosed with Asperger's if he were to be of > school age now. > I have an Aspie myself, and personally don't beleive in these labels. To me, there is just > mercury/lead poisoning, those diagnosed with Asperger were just not affected in their > verbal skills...It's just my view.> I just started the spray myself and it does calm him down and clear his mind at 500ml. I > have tried 1500, the way the doc prescribed and he got hyperactive for two days (he is 8).> Even though the spray is great, I think you should find a good DAN doctor and get to the > bottom of his methabolism. If you won't be able to turn back time, at least you will be able > to detoxify and prevent cancer and other mental problems. There is plenty of research > right now linking even schizophrenia and Alzheimer's to gut issues. I feel one day they will > find that most nervous and mental problems lay in that brain (the gut).> Testing him for viral titers, like Herpes 1,2 and 6 is also a good idea..> Hope I could help,> Connie> > > Hi, I just joined this group tonight. I have a 23 year old son who has > > had many similar problems that I've read about. When he was young, hee > > had thrush, picky eating, throat infections, all by the time he was > > two. We did lots of things with him over the years and went to many > > developmental doctors and therapists. His development was up and > > down. He did OK in school, but was always socially behind. After many > > medications and counseling sessions, he stopped all medication when he > > was 16. There wasn't a lot of difference. He has just graduated from > > college and is back home now. He has always struggled to have friends > > and to maintain a job. He has many "autistic tendancies", but has > > never been identified as having autism despite numerous evaluations. > > He seems to have his "more" autistic days and his "less" autistic > > days. I call him my "surface" guy, because he seems fine for the first > > few minutes when you meet him, but there's not a lot below the > > surface. He knows all of my concerns and can talk about his behaviors, > > but seems unable to change them. I'm very interested in the nose spray.> >>

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kCheryl,

I too am new and just learning about biomedical. I would like a copy

of your " paper " . Also interested in the antiviral therapy - don't

know where to start w/it. MOST interested in MB12 nasal spray - need

a Dr. to prescribe it. Also, would like opinion on digestive enzymes

- want to try them before the " diet " .

I'm just starting to find out about this stuff - very excited about

and how it might help our 10 yo son w/Asperger's.

TIA,

Deb

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Dear Cheryl,

Can I also have a copy of this paper ? I am fairly new to all

biomedical stuff and I recently became a member of this list.

You can mail it to me privatly if that is allright for you ?

Thanks a lot !

Ann

>

> kCheryl,

>

> I too am new and just learning about biomedical. I would like a

copy

> of your " paper " . Also interested in the antiviral therapy - don't

> know where to start w/it. MOST interested in MB12 nasal spray -

need

> a Dr. to prescribe it. Also, would like opinion on digestive

enzymes

> - want to try them before the " diet " .

>

> I'm just starting to find out about this stuff - very excited about

> and how it might help our 10 yo son w/Asperger's.

>

> TIA,

>

> Deb

>

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kCheryl,

>

> I too am new and just learning about biomedical. I would like a copy

> of your " paper " . Also interested in the antiviral therapy - don't

> know where to start w/it. MOST interested in MB12 nasal spray - need

> a Dr. to prescribe it. Also, would like opinion on digestive enzymes

> - want to try them before the " diet " .

>

> I'm just starting to find out about this stuff - very excited about

> and how it might help our 10 yo son w/Asperger's.

>

> TIA,

>

> Deb

>

>

>

>

>

>

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