Re: Israel tells Gazans to brace for war escalation

[Guest guest]

They had a cease-fire during which they firing thousands of rockets into Israel, countless mortars and also sniper attacks. They had this coming and it is their own fault. The Palestinians, most of whom would like to live peacefully with Israel, should turn on Hamas and Fatah and help eliminate them. If the rockets and bullets stop coming out of Gaza, then the Israelis would go away too.

In a message dated 1/10/2009 1:54:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes:

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[Guest guest]

" They had a cease-fire during which they firing thousands of rockets

into Israel, countless mortars and also sniper attacks. They had this

coming and it is their own fault. The Palestinians, most of whom

would like to live peacefully with Israel, should turn on Hamas and

Fatah and help eliminate them. If the rockets and bullets stop coming

out of Gaza, then the Israelis would go away too. "

I hold with the Palestinians. Israel was a state made up in 1948

where a bunch of people were evacuated from an area at gunpoint and

left a few measly pacels of land in exchange.

Try to imagine someone moving into your house, telling you that they

had a right given to them by God to own it. You and your mother are

forced to live in the doghouse outside. When you protest and try to

get your house back, they build up a wall around the house and

prevent you from getting enough food as well. You throw some rocks at

them in protest and they throw in M-80s in response.

That is how this looks to me.

In fact, what it looks like is that the Israelis have locked up the

Palestinians in ghettoes, starving them as though they are in a

concentration camp, and then teasing and jeering these Palestinians

as though they are the scum of the earth.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

" Israel was granted land by the UN in 1948. "

It was never theirs to grant in my opinion.

Let's pretend your neighbors and I form a coalition, and then the

coalition agrees that a third party should occupy your house because

some ancestor of theirs lived there before you owned it. Would you

think that was fair?

I won't argue about who has a right to the land. But I will say that

your solution seems to be a good idea, although how workable that is

depends on the parties involved.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

wrote: " ... <snip> ... As for the Palestinians, that is a term

that was made up around 1948 ... <snip> ... "

Then why do certain recognized museums have maps dating long before

1948 that refer to Palestine as a country? It must be because

Palestine WAS in fact a country and not just a term.

The Paris Peace Conference was held from January through to June 1919

and ended, as you know, with the signing of the Treaty of Versailles on

June 28, 1919. The treaty clearly identifies Palestine as a country and

the borders of this country known as Palestine are indicated in the

discussions of the Paris Peace Conference.

Britain's principal obligation was to facilitate the implementation of

the Balfour Declaration of November 2, 1917 but not at the expense of

Palestine.

It is therefore understandable that the Palestinians should be upset

that the United Nations stole their country from them and gifted it to

the Jewish people for the creation of Israel.

Raven

[Guest guest]

If anything involving a Christian representative is involved, my thoughts are

that the

Vatican/Catholic Church, not because they are big, but because of their history,

would not

be the best and most neutral representative for such a plan. Some Christian

church that is

neutral (or at least as much so as possible) that both other groups have some

mutual

respect in regards to would be a far wiser choice, one without the same history.

The fact

that the Vatican is a city-state, I think, is also something that doesn't help

in terms of it

being as neutral as possible: it's true, there can be no " neutral " between the

Palestinians

and the Israelis, but that's the nature of this particular beast and all its

children.

Of course, in realistic terms, I don't see either of the two current main sides

going for such

an agreement: why add more complexity towards the Holy Land conflict than there

already

is between all the parties?

> > This was the Palestinian Mandate, not a nation called Palestine. Most of

> > the

> > mandate was set aside for the Arabs and Jews were forbidden from settling in

> >

> > much of that land. There was a lot of politicking involved in all of this as

> >

> > Britain and France tried to take control of the Middle East since they had

> > taken control of that land from the Ottoman Empire. I'll post one bit about

> > that, but then we'll just have to agree to disagree on this subject.

> >

> >

> >

> > _http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_overview.php_

> > (http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_overview.php)

> >

> > What is the overview of the Mandate Period?

> > Geographical Distribution of the Mandate

> > In 1920, following the defeat of the Turks, the collapse of the Ottoman

> > Empire, and the peace conferences after World War I, the British Mandate for

> >

> > Palestine was created by the League of Nations. The Mandate was

> > international

> > recognition for the stated purpose of " establishing in Palestine a national

> > home

> > for the Jewish people. " (See _What was the British Mandate?_

> > (http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_ww1_british_mandate.php) .)

> > The area of the Mandate was originally 118,000 square kilometers (about

> > 45,000 square miles). In 1921, Britain took the 91,000 square kilometers of

> > the

> > Palestine Mandate east of the Jordan River, and created Trans-Jordan (later

> > the

> > Arab country of Jordan) as a new Arab protectorate. Jews were barred by law

> > from living or owning property east of the Jordan river, even though that

> > land was over three-fourths of the original Mandate.

> > In 1923, Britain ceded the Golan Heights (another 1,176 square kilometers of

> >

> > the Palestine Mandate) to the French Mandate of Syria. Jews were also barred

> >

> > from living there. Jewish settlers on the Golan Heights were forced to

> > abandon their homes and relocate inside the westerb area of the British

> > Mandate.

> > The total remaining area of the Mandate for Palestine, after these land

> > deductions, was just under 26,000 square kilometers (about 10,000 square

> > miles).

> > The southern part of the Mandate – the desert of the Negev – was also closed

> > by the British to Jewish settlement. The area was inhabited by 15,000

> > roaming

> > Bedouins, and had no Jewish or Arab settlements in it.

> > The balance of the Mandate, the inhabited part of Palestine, and only the

> > part west of the Jordan, was just 14,000 square kilometers. Jewish

> > immigration

> > was limited by the British from time to time, especially after the periods

> > of

> > Arab riots and severely restricted after 1939. At the same time, Arab

> > immigration was not restricted or even recorded. By 1948, when the State of

> > Israel

> > was founded, 1.8 million people lived the western area of the Mandate,

> > estimated to be 600,000 Jews and 1.2 million Arabs. Following the _war

> > between the

> > Jews and the Arabs in 1948_

> > (http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_war_start.php) , the

> > inhabited areas of the 14,000 square kilometers were

> > divided along cease-fire lines between Israel and Jordan/Egypt. 8,000

> > square

> > kilometers, or 57% of the reduced area (which is only 6.7% of the original

> > Mandate

> > territory), became Israel. The rest of the area of western Palestine, 5,700

> > square kilometers of historic _Judea and Samaria_

> > (http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_judea_samaria.php) , was

> > annexed by Jordan – and renamed

> > the West Bank - while 360 square kilometers were occupied by Egypt and

> > called the Gaza Strip.

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 1/11/2009 2:43:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> > ravenmagic2003@... writes:

> >

> > The Paris Peace Conference was held from January through to June 1919

> > and ended, as you know, with the signing of the Treaty of Versailles on

> > June 28, 1919. The treaty clearly identifies Palestine as a country and

> > the borders of this country known as Palestine are indicated in the

> > discussions of the Paris Peace Conference.

> >

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