Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 > > Milk in a cow's teat is sterile. It's all in the handling. Ecoli comes from getting cow crap in the milk. If you know your milk is being handled properly and is clean, there should be no problem at all. Your daughter can go to www.realmilk.com to get more information. She should have her friends go there as well to see how wrong they are. I was hesitant myself before I read up on it. Now, I'm a total advocate of the raw milk and raw dairy products. Your daughter's friens probably don't know it, but the cheese they are eating, if it is gourmet cheese is all made from raw milk. The best and most expensive cheeses are all made from raw milk. Wouldn't they be surpriced to know that? K.C. > > > > > Last night at dinner, my oldest daughter raised some concerns to me > about our drinking raw milk. She said she's discussed it with some of > her friends and co-workers, and each time she brings it up, they all > tell her how dangerous raw dairy is! She is no longer drinking it and > said she wants to read up on it more and do some research > before she can feel comfortable drinking raw milk. & nbsp; When I asked > her what they say is so dangerous about raw dairy, she said they all > told her you can die from Ecoli because it hasn't been > pasteurized. & nbsp; Her best friend was the most adamant, telling her > & quot;that's like playing Russian roulette! & quot;. & nbsp; My daughter's > best friend is a nanny and she told my daughter that her former > employer was a pediatrician who treated a family of 3 children who > supposedly got sick from > drinking raw milk. She said one of the children died, and the other > came close to dying. This was in Buffalo, NY...anyone else ever > heard of this? > > I am not afraid of drinking raw dairy, but comments from people like > this really annoy me. & nbsp; I'd like to hear what other people think > about the negative reactions from non Raw Dairy people out there, or > any helpful suggestions in what to say or how to deal with them. > I'd appreciate it. Mostly I just don't discuss it or tell people > we're drinking raw dairy, mainly because I don't want to have to > justify myself to anyone. > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING! > Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 > > Milk in a cow's teat is sterile. It's all in the handling. Ecoli comes from getting cow crap in the milk. If you know your milk is being handled properly and is clean, there should be no problem at all. Your daughter can go to www.realmilk.com to get more information. She should have her friends go there as well to see how wrong they are. I was hesitant myself before I read up on it. Now, I'm a total advocate of the raw milk and raw dairy products. Your daughter's friens probably don't know it, but the cheese they are eating, if it is gourmet cheese is all made from raw milk. The best and most expensive cheeses are all made from raw milk. Wouldn't they be surpriced to know that? K.C. > > > > > Last night at dinner, my oldest daughter raised some concerns to me > about our drinking raw milk. She said she's discussed it with some of > her friends and co-workers, and each time she brings it up, they all > tell her how dangerous raw dairy is! She is no longer drinking it and > said she wants to read up on it more and do some research > before she can feel comfortable drinking raw milk. & nbsp; When I asked > her what they say is so dangerous about raw dairy, she said they all > told her you can die from Ecoli because it hasn't been > pasteurized. & nbsp; Her best friend was the most adamant, telling her > & quot;that's like playing Russian roulette! & quot;. & nbsp; My daughter's > best friend is a nanny and she told my daughter that her former > employer was a pediatrician who treated a family of 3 children who > supposedly got sick from > drinking raw milk. She said one of the children died, and the other > came close to dying. This was in Buffalo, NY...anyone else ever > heard of this? > > I am not afraid of drinking raw dairy, but comments from people like > this really annoy me. & nbsp; I'd like to hear what other people think > about the negative reactions from non Raw Dairy people out there, or > any helpful suggestions in what to say or how to deal with them. > I'd appreciate it. Mostly I just don't discuss it or tell people > we're drinking raw dairy, mainly because I don't want to have to > justify myself to anyone. > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING! > Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 How can I ensure that I keep goat poop out of the milk besides cleaning the udder and keeping goat feet out of my milking bucket? As a biology student I get worried about contamination from hairs and such. It's not that I don't think it is possible because I know other people keep clean milk but I just want to be sure I am covering all my bases. Layla > >Reply-To: RawDairy >To: <RawDairy > >Subject: Re: Questions >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:21:02 -0700 (MST) > > > > > Milk in a cow's teat is sterile. It's all in the handling. Ecoli comes >from getting cow crap in the milk. If you know your milk is being >handled properly and is clean, there should be no problem at all. > >Your daughter can go to www.realmilk.com to get more information. She >should have her friends go there as well to see how wrong they are. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 How can I ensure that I keep goat poop out of the milk besides cleaning the udder and keeping goat feet out of my milking bucket? As a biology student I get worried about contamination from hairs and such. It's not that I don't think it is possible because I know other people keep clean milk but I just want to be sure I am covering all my bases. Layla > >Reply-To: RawDairy >To: <RawDairy > >Subject: Re: Questions >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:21:02 -0700 (MST) > > > > > Milk in a cow's teat is sterile. It's all in the handling. Ecoli comes >from getting cow crap in the milk. If you know your milk is being >handled properly and is clean, there should be no problem at all. > >Your daughter can go to www.realmilk.com to get more information. She >should have her friends go there as well to see how wrong they are. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 >I just make sure that the udder is clean of anything that can fall in and I make sure the teats, including the hole are clean before I milk. I've never had hairs get in the mailk, but I have a cow and she doesn't shed in the milk. I have been known to brush the udder with a natural bristle brush before milking when there's crud she's laid in stuck to it and I can't get it off with a wash cloth and hot water. From there, a milk strainer with a filter in place will assure that the milk is clean of anything that might get in it. As far as keeping their feet out of the bucket....that's something I never have a problem with. The worse that has ever happened is she will kick the bucket, but being stainless steel and pretty big, dirt just has gotton on the bottom part. When I bring it in, I wash the bucket with hot water and drying with a paper towel prior to putting it into the strainer and filter so nothing falls in. My milk is always clean. The only way of totally assuring that absolutely nothing gets in the milk is to get a milking machine and making sure the teats are clean before hooking up. K.C. > > > > > How can I ensure that I keep goat poop out of the milk besides cleaning > the udder and keeping goat feet out of my milking bucket? & nbsp; As a > biology student I get worried about contamination from hairs and > such. & nbsp; It's not that I don't think it is possible because I know > other people keep clean milk but I just want to be sure I am covering > all my bases. > > Layla > > & gt;From: & lt;tinybabe@... & gt; > & gt;Reply-To: RawDairy > & gt;To: & lt;RawDairy & gt; > & gt;Subject: Re: Questions > & gt;Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:21:02 -0700 (MST) > & gt; > & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; Milk in a cow's teat is sterile. & nbsp; It's all in the > handling. & nbsp; Ecoli comes & gt;from getting cow crap in the milk. & nbsp; > If you know your milk is being & gt;handled properly and is clean, there > should be no problem at all. & gt; > & gt;Your daughter can go to www.realmilk.com to get more > information. & nbsp; She & gt;should have her friends go there as well to > see how wrong they are. & gt; > > > > > > > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING! > Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 >I just make sure that the udder is clean of anything that can fall in and I make sure the teats, including the hole are clean before I milk. I've never had hairs get in the mailk, but I have a cow and she doesn't shed in the milk. I have been known to brush the udder with a natural bristle brush before milking when there's crud she's laid in stuck to it and I can't get it off with a wash cloth and hot water. From there, a milk strainer with a filter in place will assure that the milk is clean of anything that might get in it. As far as keeping their feet out of the bucket....that's something I never have a problem with. The worse that has ever happened is she will kick the bucket, but being stainless steel and pretty big, dirt just has gotton on the bottom part. When I bring it in, I wash the bucket with hot water and drying with a paper towel prior to putting it into the strainer and filter so nothing falls in. My milk is always clean. The only way of totally assuring that absolutely nothing gets in the milk is to get a milking machine and making sure the teats are clean before hooking up. K.C. > > > > > How can I ensure that I keep goat poop out of the milk besides cleaning > the udder and keeping goat feet out of my milking bucket? & nbsp; As a > biology student I get worried about contamination from hairs and > such. & nbsp; It's not that I don't think it is possible because I know > other people keep clean milk but I just want to be sure I am covering > all my bases. > > Layla > > & gt;From: & lt;tinybabe@... & gt; > & gt;Reply-To: RawDairy > & gt;To: & lt;RawDairy & gt; > & gt;Subject: Re: Questions > & gt;Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 07:21:02 -0700 (MST) > & gt; > & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; Milk in a cow's teat is sterile. & nbsp; It's all in the > handling. & nbsp; Ecoli comes & gt;from getting cow crap in the milk. & nbsp; > If you know your milk is being & gt;handled properly and is clean, there > should be no problem at all. & gt; > & gt;Your daughter can go to www.realmilk.com to get more > information. & nbsp; She & gt;should have her friends go there as well to > see how wrong they are. & gt; > > > > > > > PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING! > Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information! > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 I use a strainer and get a hair or two sometimes. I think I must be ok from your description of how you prepare for milking and my milk tastes fantastic. I don't know why my girls like to put their feet in the bucket, but I am getting quick to pull it out of the way because I hate loosing milk to the cat after a nice hoof stomps in it. They are also getting better behaved little by little. It is usually my yearling that is harder to milk. Other than milking they are nice and social. I was thinking about it and I remember when I was nursing my daughter I read somewhere that milk has the ability to kill really nasty germs that contaminate it. This was talking about human breastmilk, but I think it would apply to any real milk. Maybe I'll test it in a thesis project as I get further in my degree. > >Reply-To: RawDairy >To: <RawDairy > >Subject: Re: Questions >Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:45:03 -0700 (MST) > > >I just make sure that the udder is clean of anything that can fall in and >I make sure the teats, including the hole are clean before I milk. I've >never had hairs get in the mailk, but I have a cow and she doesn't shed >in the milk. I have been known to brush the udder with a natural bristle >brush before milking when there's crud she's laid in stuck to it and I >can't get it off with a wash cloth and hot water. > >From there, a milk strainer with a filter in place will assure that > & gt; > & gt; Milk in a cow's teat is sterile. & nbsp; It's all in the > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2004 Report Share Posted November 22, 2004 I can't remember where I read it, but i think the link came from this group... it was about a prison that used a milking machine, which piped into a vat, that had a spigot on the other side of the wall that the prisoners got their milk from. (No, you did not hear any heavy duty filtration going on in there.) The reporter witnessed the milking machine falling off the udder and landing in the muck, which it continued to suck up for a few minutes until it was picked up a put back on the cow. They never turned it off, or cleaned it in any way. The reporter said that you could not see the top of the vat for the layer of black flies covering it. It was simply strained and fed to the inmates. The reported no illnesses in the years that they did things this way, and it was only after the introduction of pasteurizing the milk that the prison had a severe incease in the number of inmates that became sick. I think the prison was in a southern state, like Georgia. Raw milk (from any animal) has the abolity to protect itself, it is only after we kill it that it starts to rot and decay. > I was thinking about it and I remember when I was nursing my daughter I read > somewhere that milk has the ability to kill really nasty germs that > contaminate it. This was talking about human breastmilk, but I think it > would apply to any real milk. Maybe I'll test it in a thesis project as I > get further in my degree. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2004 Report Share Posted November 23, 2004 Your daughter needs to read THE MILK BOOK, by s. All her misguided friends should read it as well. It is easy, entertaining reading, but is very serious about raw milk versus pasturized. It is a GREAT book!! Dixon Ozark Jewels Boers & Nubians > > Last night at dinner, my oldest daughter raised some concerns to me > about our drinking raw milk. She said she's discussed it with some > of her friends and co-workers, and each time she brings it up, they > all tell her how dangerous raw dairy is! She is no longer drinking > it and said she wants to read up on it more and do some research > before she can feel comfortable drinking raw milk. When I asked her > what they say is so dangerous about raw dairy, she said they all > told her you can die from Ecoli because it hasn't been pasteurized. > Her best friend was the most adamant, telling her " that's like > playing Russian roulette! " . My daughter's best friend is a nanny > and she told my daughter that her former employer was a pediatrician > who treated a family of 3 children who supposedly got sick from > drinking raw milk. She said one of the children died, and the other > came close to dying. This was in Buffalo, NY...anyone else ever > heard of this? > > I am not afraid of drinking raw dairy, but comments from people like > this really annoy me. I'd like to hear what other people think > about the negative reactions from non Raw Dairy people out there, or > any helpful suggestions in what to say or how to deal with them. > I'd appreciate it. Mostly I just don't discuss it or tell people > we're drinking raw dairy, mainly because I don't want to have to > justify myself to anyone. > > Thanks, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 My question is; what tests > such as TB and Brucellosis do I need to have done before I purchase this girl? > What vaccines should she have had to provide safe milk? Personally I would stay as far away from vaccines as possible. They are loaded with heavy metals and are quite toxic to the immune system, both human and animal. The key on our farm is prevention, and it works very well. If the animal is healthy you will never have a problem. We feed lots of kelp (2-3 tons/year), plus probiotics, and other immune boosters at calving or other times of stress. We have 60 cows + 60 head of young stock. Just had the vet out for the first time in 3 years for a twisted uterus. I've never had one of those before. I think another key is giving the cow all the grass she can eat for as long as possible with good quality hay in the winter. On our farm we have fed no grain, corn silage, or concentrates for 5 years. You can use annuals such as oats and turnips to extend the grazing season considerably. I realize it's a lot different for a cow or two, but then maybe you would have plenty of pasture anyways. If you want to feed some grain consider oats, barley, or succotash (oats, barley, wheat, grown together). Hybred corn has primarily been bred to extract $ from the farmer. Nothing requires more input and costs more environmentally than trying to grow all the corn we do in this country. Also, hybred corn can't take up several minerals meaning more costs to replace those minerals, plus protein, as it is very low in protein. I think the success we have had on our farm can be easily duplicated as we have tried to do things as God designed it. He truly has blessed our endeavors. I would love nothing more than to see everyone able to eliminate the parasites to keep some profit on the farm. I am more than happy to answer any questions online or off. Cheyenne IS. 7:25 And as for all the hills which used to be cultivated with the hoe, you will not go there for fear of briars and thorns; but they will become a place for pasturing oxen and for sheep to trample. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 She should have already been vaccinated for brucellosis. There should be an orange tag (about 1/2 wide) in her ear. There is normally a tatoo that goes with that in the ear. If you feel you need to test for TB, you will have to have a vet do it. Have you worked with this heifer? Are you sure she is able to be milked? It probably isn't the case, but sometimes Dexters can be a bit rough to work with if they haven't been handled a lot. Good luck and enjoy your new baby, K.C. Questions I'm wondering if someone on this list can answer a couple of questions forme. I am going to buy a milk cow and have found a Dexter heifer due to freshenin the spring that I have just about decided on. My question is; what testssuch as TB and Brucellosis do I need to have done before I purchase this girl?What vaccines should she have had to provide safe milk?Thank youLee___________________________________________________________Fidelity Communications Webmail - http://webmail.fidnet.comPLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Yes to some, but you have to realize that the law in most states is to vaccinate against brucellosis for a reason. It's not going to do anything to the animal except to protect it. It has probably been done, so it's a mute point. Some vaccines are absolutely vital to the life of a calf, like the pneumonia vaccine. I give it when they are born as well as Bo-SE because most areas are selenium poor and blocks do not provide enough selenium. My suggestion to anyone getting their first heifer/cow is to have the toxic weed guy out to inspect the property and make sure there are no toxic weeds. It's free and a very valuable service. Then, find out if your area is selenium poor. The people you are getting the animal from should be a wealth of information for you. As far as feeding a bit of grain, there's really nothing wrong with it and you can use it like bate to get her used to you. It's not going to hurt her. I'm not saying to give her 10 lbs. a day, but a few cups to get her to come to you and allow you to get chummy with her is really OK. K.C. Re: Questions My question is; what tests> such as TB and Brucellosis do I need to have done before I purchasethis girl?> What vaccines should she have had to provide safe milk? Personally I would stay as far away from vaccines as possible.They are loaded with heavy metals and are quite toxic to the immunesystem, both human and animal. The key on our farm is prevention, andit works very well. If the animal is healthy you will never have aproblem. We feed lots of kelp (2-3 tons/year), plus probiotics, andother immune boosters at calving or other times of stress. We have 60cows + 60 head of young stock. Just had the vet out for the first timein 3 years for a twisted uterus. I've never had one of those before. I think another key is giving the cow all the grass she can eatfor as long as possible with good quality hay in the winter. On ourfarm we have fed no grain, corn silage, or concentrates for 5 years.You can use annuals such as oats and turnips to extend the grazingseason considerably. I realize it's a lot different for a cow or two,but then maybe you would have plenty of pasture anyways. If you wantto feed some grain consider oats, barley, or succotash (oats, barley,wheat, grown together). Hybred corn has primarily been bred to extract$ from the farmer. Nothing requires more input and costs moreenvironmentally than trying to grow all the corn we do in thiscountry. Also, hybred corn can't take up several minerals meaning morecosts to replace those minerals, plus protein, as it is very low inprotein. I think the success we have had on our farm can be easilyduplicated as we have tried to do things as God designed it. He trulyhas blessed our endeavors. I would love nothing more than to seeeveryone able to eliminate the parasites to keep some profit on thefarm. I am more than happy to answer any questions online or off. Cheyenne IS. 7:25 And as for all the hills which used to be cultivated withthe hoe, you will not go there for fear of briars and thorns; but theywill become a place for pasturing oxen and for sheep to trample.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Vaccination requirements vary by state. Most states in the USA are TB and brucellosis free. However, some do require the animal either be tested or vaccinated before being moved in from another state. If you live in a state where these diseases are still an issure request that she be tested before you bring her home. However, humans cannot get bovine TB, though cows can on a rare occasion get human TB. I don't vaccinate my cow at all, nor do I vaccinate her steers. I have a closed herd, just my cow and whatever she gives birth too. The only time I will vaccinate is if I have a heifer or a bull leaving to live on another farm, then I find out what the farmer wants them vaccinated for so they will have a matching immunity to their new herd. Calves do not need vaccination at birth or any supplements unless they are not getting colostrum from mom. If they are nursing and mom is being adequately supplemented (like iodine and selenium from kelp) it will be perfectly healthy. Even when I vaccinate the calf the vet won't give her anything until 3 months. If her coat is gleaming, eyes are bright and clear, nose is damp, and she is active she should be just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Vaccination requirements vary by state. Most states in the USA are TB and brucellosis free. However, some do require the animal either be tested or vaccinated before being moved in from another state. If you live in a state where these diseases are still an issure request that she be tested before you bring her home. However, humans cannot get bovine TB, though cows can on a rare occasion get human TB. I don't vaccinate my cow at all, nor do I vaccinate her steers. I have a closed herd, just my cow and whatever she gives birth too. The only time I will vaccinate is if I have a heifer or a bull leaving to live on another farm, then I find out what the farmer wants them vaccinated for so they will have a matching immunity to their new herd. Calves do not need vaccination at birth or any supplements unless they are not getting colostrum from mom. If they are nursing and mom is being adequately supplemented (like iodine and selenium from kelp) it will be perfectly healthy. Even when I vaccinate the calf the vet won't give her anything until 3 months. If her coat is gleaming, eyes are bright and clear, nose is damp, and she is active she should be just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 The pneumonia vaccine and BoSE are essential in this area. Even if people don't vaccinate for other stuff, every animal around here, whether cattle, sheep, goats, pigs, etc. gets a Bo-SE shot. Pneumonia isn't important if you are in certain states, but to give the internasal at birth is well worth it. If you've ever lost a calf to pneumonia, there's no question as to if you will give it in the future. More calves die from pneumonia in the summer here then any other time. K.C. Re: Questions Vaccination requirements vary by state. Most states in the USA are TB and brucellosis free. However, some do require the animal either be tested or vaccinated before being moved in from another state. If you live in a state where these diseases are still an issure request that she be tested before you bring her home. However, humans cannot get bovine TB, though cows can on a rare occasion get human TB. I don't vaccinate my cow at all, nor do I vaccinate her steers. I have a closed herd, just my cow and whatever she gives birth too. The only time I will vaccinate is if I have a heifer or a bull leaving to live on another farm, then I find out what the farmer wants them vaccinated for so they will have a matching immunity to their new herd. Calves do not need vaccination at birth or any supplements unless they are not getting colostrum from mom. If they are nursing and mom is being adequately supplemented (like iodine and selenium from kelp) it will be perfectly healthy. Even when I vaccinate the calf the vet won't give her anything until 3 months.If her coat is gleaming, eyes are bright and clear, nose is damp, and she is active she should be just fine.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 > The pneumonia vaccine and BoSE are essential in this area. Even if people don't vaccinate for other stuff, every animal around here, whether cattle, sheep, goats, pigs, etc. gets a Bo-SE shot. Pneumonia isn't important if you are in certain states, but to give the internasal at birth is well worth it. If you've ever lost a calf to pneumonia, there's no question as to if you will give it in the future. More calves die from pneumonia in the summer here then any other time. > > K.C. No healthy animal will get sick. God didn't make calves vaccine deficient. We did a poor job of feeding if sickness is the case. There may be times during the learning curve where some of these crutches are necessary, as we have lost so much true wisdom on health. But, if we share our successes with each other we can save others from making the same mistake. I've had many bumps along the way of building my farm, but I realize I screwed up and find a solution. That is the reason I'm so willing to help everyone possible avoid those same problems. I've been told over and over that I can't do something I'm doing, or that I should accept a certain % of each of the problems most farmers suffer(twisted gut, ketosis, milk fever,premature death,etc). I may never eliminate every problem, but why not get close. The system (Kingdom) some of us are working toward will not only eliminate most of the parasitic gov., but most of the companies they are in bed with like chemical/drug companies. When these go by the wayside I want real solutions for keeping our animals healthy. It is this same reason everyone is on this list seeking real health instead of pills and potions. Raw milk and wholesome food sounds a whole lot better than the sickness and disease in our population, and yet most would say just get vaccinated and all will be fine. I'm not trying to be contentious, only to help bring our animals and our bodies to a higher nutritional state where we will no longer need bandaids. Plus, every one of these bandaids we cut out is more $ in our pocket Cheyenne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 If you lived in a selenium poor area and saw a calf that was suffering from lack of selinum, you would think differently. To each his own. I prefer to protect my calves with these two vaccines. I feed well and my animals are all very healthy and get everything they need and maybe more. K.C. Re: Questions > The pneumonia vaccine and BoSE are essential in this area. Even ifpeople don't vaccinate for other stuff, every animal around here,whether cattle, sheep, goats, pigs, etc. gets a Bo-SE shot. Pneumoniaisn't important if you are in certain states, but to give theinternasal at birth is well worth it. If you've ever lost a calf topneumonia, there's no question as to if you will give it in thefuture. More calves die from pneumonia in the summer here then anyother time.> > K.C. No healthy animal will get sick. God didn't make calves vaccinedeficient. We did a poor job of feeding if sickness is the case. Theremay be times during the learning curve where some of these crutchesare necessary, as we have lost so much true wisdom on health. But, ifwe share our successes with each other we can save others from makingthe same mistake. I've had many bumps along the way of building myfarm, but I realize I screwed up and find a solution. That is thereason I'm so willing to help everyone possible avoid those sameproblems. I've been told over and over that I can't do something I'mdoing, or that I should accept a certain % of each of the problemsmost farmers suffer(twisted gut, ketosis, milk fever,prematuredeath,etc). I may never eliminate every problem, but why not get close. The system (Kingdom) some of us are working toward will not onlyeliminate most of the parasitic gov., but most of the companies theyare in bed with like chemical/drug companies. When these go by thewayside I want real solutions for keeping our animals healthy. It isthis same reason everyone is on this list seeking real health insteadof pills and potions. Raw milk and wholesome food sounds a whole lotbetter than the sickness and disease in our population, and yet mostwould say just get vaccinated and all will be fine. I'm not trying to be contentious, only to help bring our animalsand our bodies to a higher nutritional state where we will no longerneed bandaids. Plus, every one of these bandaids we cut out is more $in our pocketCheyennePLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 In New Zealand they fertilize with selenium in deficient areas. WI is very low. It used to be done in this country too. Now it is Illegal to put selenium on our grass so the animals get it naturally. For those interested, you can get selenium at the feed store. I don't know the rates used in New Zealand, but I'm guessing it doesn't take much. It is sold as a feed suppliment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 We have those selenium blocks, they they do not provide enough at the start of an animals life. We do not give BoSe throughout their lives, at least I don't. Just use the blocks once they are old enough to use them. One has to be careful of how much you give. You can cause selenium poisoning if you don't know what you are doing. K.C. Re: Questions In New Zealand they fertilize with selenium in deficient areas. WIis very low. It used to be done in this country too. Now it is Illegalto put selenium on our grass so the animals get it naturally. Forthose interested, you can get selenium at the feed store. I don't knowthe rates used in New Zealand, but I'm guessing it doesn't take much.It is sold as a feed suppliment.PLEASE BE KIND AND TRIM YOUR POSTS WHEN REPLYING!Visit our Raw Dairy Files for a wealth of information!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RawDairy/files/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I have NEVER given the pneumonia vaccine to ANY of my calves and have NEVER had one get sick or lost one yet. I feel it's personal preferance. Personaly I feel it a waste of money. If your animals are in healthy CLEAN DRY facilities, given good food, LOOSE trace mineral salts, (Selenium block optional) clean water and TLC they will do just fine. I DO NOT feed supplements either. I am totally AGAINST UREA for ANY animal. I don't care what anyone says about it!!! You can kill with it. After all it is made from URIN! Would you like to go serve yourself up a nice big glass full of urin to drink, or URIN cookies to chew on??? Our animals depend on US to care for them and I put myself in the place of the animal. I won't feed them something I sure as hell wouldn't eat! People feeding cattle other animals (diseased carcases) animal droppings and all kinds of other crap, that's how MAD COW got started! Cows are HERBIVORES. The only meat I've ever seen a cow eat is the afterbirth from thier calves. Vick > >Reply-To: RawDairy >To: <RawDairy > >Subject: Re: Re: Questions >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 15:18:20 -0700 > >Yes to some, but you have to realize that the law in most states is to >vaccinate against brucellosis for a reason. It's not going to do anything >to the animal except to protect it. It has probably been done, so it's a >mute point. > >Some vaccines are absolutely vital to the life of a calf, like the >pneumonia vaccine. I give it when they are born as well as Bo-SE because >most areas are selenium poor and blocks do not provide enough selenium. > >My suggestion to anyone getting their first heifer/cow is to have the toxic >weed guy out to inspect the property and make sure there are no toxic >weeds. It's free and a very valuable service. Then, find out if your area >is selenium poor. The people you are getting the animal from should be a >wealth of information for you. > >As far as feeding a bit of grain, there's really nothing wrong with it and >you can use it like bate to get her used to you. It's not going to hurt >her. I'm not saying to give her 10 lbs. a day, but a few cups to get her >to come to you and allow you to get chummy with her is really OK. > >K.C. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 <My question is; what tests such as TB and Brucellosis do I need to have done before I purchase this girl? What vaccines should she have had to provide safe milk?> Lee, What state are you in?? Illinois is a TB free state and these tests are not given if the bovine was bred and born in the state. We do not vaccinate our cows either. Have a vet check the Dexter out for fit health. Does the owner have any type of milking records on her? You say she is a heifer due to freshen. How old is she? (She should be about 2 if she's a first time freshener.) What was she bred to? What is her lineage? Does she come from a milking Dexter line or a beef Dexter line? Do you have a Dexter bull available to breed her back after she calves?? We looked into Dexters before we got our Jersey. For the up front cost and the ongoing maintenance, I'm glad we went with the Jersey. <Yes to some, but you have to realize that the law in most states is to vaccinate against brucellosis for a reason.> I believe most states are TB free. We don't vaccinate here. We make sure the cows are given supplements needed in our area. At birth, these are passed along to her calf in her milk. I really appreciate you sharing information that is imperative to your location, KC, but what may be true in your part of the country is not necessary true in all other parts of the country. Cyndi http://www.mullerslanefarm.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Howdy. I am starting to research spinal specialists and wonder is anyone has a way to find the good ones like our group does for rheumatologists. I have two that I am going to see, but am open to suggestions and will choose carefully as I don't want to wind up paralyzed. I am scared shitless as I know what can happen with this type of surgery, but I most likely will NEED to have it done as I am in real rough shape right now. I also was wondering if Stills or Stills & all of the medications could be the cause of this. I had a spinal MRI done in December and it has deteriorated greatly in the last 12 weeks. I suppose there is a possibility it was misread either in December or now, but with the amount of pain I am in highly doubt the latest findings. I have also " exploded " 4 teeth in the last three weeks due to my headaches. I broke two of them in the ER and no doubt damaged the other ones at the same time as they are breaking like twigs now. I know Prednisone is bad for your teeth but was wondering if this is another part of this ******* disease. I spent a lot of money to kep all of my teeth throughout the years and now highly doubt they will last for life. Thanks, Kirk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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