Guest guest Posted October 18, 2002 Report Share Posted October 18, 2002 Yes, exactly. the cows derive calcium from the grass. That is one purpose of InnerLight SuperGreens. Calcium is also more effectively utilized by the body when it is formed by the process of transmutation of sodium or silica. Calcium Hello, List. Below is a comment I obtained from another list I'm sure you'd like to examine. Obie. Obie, I think you are exactly right. My understanding is that the best source of calcium is of course plant derived. The body will tolerate a certain amount of inorganic calcium, although it will only absorb about 100 mg of the 800 to 1000 of the RDA. My understanding is that it takes less organic calcium to balance pH than inorganic calcium. The body requires a balance of calcium in both anionic dominate and cationic dominant forms. (determined by what it is bound to) A deficiency of one form is an excess of the other. The excess may be excreted, or deposited in the body tissue in the forms of stones, and concretions or to put it in terms we all are familiar with: mirco and macrocalculi! The key is the right balance of cationic (acidic) to anionic (alkaline) calcium ions in the body. Note: In Barefoot's Calcium Factor, I believe he refers to the cationic as being alkaline and the anionic as being acid. The instructor I recently had for two classes in Biological Ionization for Human Nutrition rererenced them as I have. He has been working with calciums in the body to influence healing for thirty years and has a phenomenal record of success with all kinds of chronic conditions. The bottom line is that men who stay with Larry's program seem to be dissolving the stones. The program is all about balance. Jim R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 Hi Obie. I am so not an expert in this, even tho I sell coral and the orotates. I just know they have helped me enormously. But what I have read is that calcium deposits happen when there is not enough calcium in the diet and so the body pulls it from the bones to nourish the muscles and organs and some of it gets deposited. And supplementing calcium actually reduces stones. I have also heard about phosfood, Is that what it is called. By standard process that softens and dissolves stones over time. Hopefully some else on the list will see this and chime in. Donna Calcium in the Sale Catalog of the NATR Company I read " Excess calcium in the body results in calcium deposits such as gallstones, kidney stones, calcium deposits on joints [often called arthritis]. All of these have been known to disappear after taking extra magnesium; especially the drink form " . Man what a statement!! Could that be true for us who have microcalculi, even arthritis? I'm trying to put 2 and 2 together. Obie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2002 Report Share Posted October 21, 2002 Obie, Anybody who knows anything about basic nutrition knows that magnesium & Vit D is required to make calcium available to the bones & teeth, and to prevent build up of calcium in the joints, arteries, etc. I am not surprised that you have noticed a difference since you started mag., so keep it up and go back to calcium for the sake of osteoporosis prevention. ... Calcium G'morning, List. I want to share a bit of my thinking, ask a question or two because for two years I've been taking calcium to help balance my pH and to increase bone mass; I've had bone pain in my left leg. The first half of this time was without taking Magnesium or Vit. D. Several months ago, I cut one of my toe nails down almost to the quick because it hurt when I walked; specially, up the stairs. Shortly thereafter, I noticed that the bone pain left; no doubt, not bone pain but pain from the nail radiating up into my leg. What a welcome relief!! Recently, I became convinced I should try Magnesium and can only say it is wonderful. Also, I've discontinued the calcium presently, temporarily, because of feedback I've received concerning microcalculi [little stones in the Prostate gland] and here's my question. Any chance that using the wrong calcium or failing to utilize Mag. and Vit D, perhaps other supps along with our calcium, is resulting in the formation of the microcalculi? I mean, something is causing this, I know. When we feel what we think is a swelling and we experience a diminished stream and certain authorities state our Prostates are not swollen--I mean I'm listening--but we feel this sensation in our Perinium, not pain but pretty close, and we know something is happening. Does any of us have information or opinions about this issue that will shed light on this problem, please? If we take only Mag. and no Calcium, will the Mag. disolve the extra Calcium, if you know? I ask because in the Sale Catalog of the NATR Company I read " Excess calcium in the body results in calcium deposits such as gallstones, kidney stones, calcium deposits on joints [often called arthritis]. All of these have been known to disappear after taking extra magnesium; especially the drink form " . Man what a statement!! Could that be true for us who have microcalculi, even arthritis? I'm trying to put 2 and 2 together. Obie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 Dear Obie, I would say that this is looking through the wrong end of the telescope. If the body is deficient in dietary calcium, it will draw from the bones and teeth (leading to osteoporosis, by the way). The parathyroid glands will secrete a hormone that causes this to happen. The withdrawal usually exceeds the requirement, resulting in excess calcium in the blood, potentially disrupting heart firing, and the body quickly dumps it to a non-critical area, such as a joint or a gland. Taking calcium without magnesium, Vitamin D, zinc and boron, results in poor absorption, so the net effect is that you are calcium deficient and poorer to boot. The magnesium you take after the buildup of calcium deposits will not likely remove the deposits, but will help future supplementation with calcium, provided that the other nutrients are there as well. The lesson is that concentrating on one nutrient and ignoring its cofactors results in imbalance, leaving you no better off, and perhaps worse off. That is why it is important to get a balance of nutrients, as far as it is possible. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH http://www.plasmafire.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: oxyplus To: <oxyplus > Subject: Calcium Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:08:18 -0500 G'morning, List. I want to share a bit of my thinking, ask a question or two because for two years I've been taking calcium to help balance my pH and to increase bone mass; I've had bone pain in my left leg. The first half of this time was without taking Magnesium or Vit. D. Several months ago, I cut one of my toe nails down almost to the quick because it hurt when I walked; specially, up the stairs. Shortly thereafter, I noticed that the bone pain left; no doubt, not bone pain but pain from the nail radiating up into my leg. What a welcome relief!! Recently, I became convinced I should try Magnesium and can only say it is wonderful. Also, I've discontinued the calcium presently, temporarily, because of feedback I've received concerning microcalculi [little stones in the Prostate gland] and here's my question. Any chance that using the wrong calcium or failing to utilize Mag. and Vit D, perhaps other supps along with our calcium, is resulting in the formation of the microcalculi? I mean, something is causing this, I know. When we feel what we think is a swelling and we experience a diminished stream and certain authorities state our Prostates are not swollen--I mean I'm listening--but we feel this sensation in our Perinium, not pain but pretty close, and we know something is happening. Does any of us have information or opinions about this issue that will shed light on this problem, please? If we take only Mag. and no Calcium, will the Mag. disolve the extra Calcium, if you know? I ask because in the Sale Catalog of the NATR Company I read " Excess calcium in the body results in calcium deposits such as gallstones, kidney stones, calcium deposits on joints [often called arthritis]. All of these have been known to disappear after taking extra magnesium; especially the drink form " . Man what a statement!! Could that be true for us who have microcalculi, even arthritis? I'm trying to put 2 and 2 together. Obie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 Okay, thank you. You sound so confident, let me ask for amounts of Cal - Mag - D, please, and can I adjust those as I think is correct for me? Dr. Saul has warned us that the key is balance and I don't want to stray too far as I learn. Obie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2002 Report Share Posted October 22, 2002 Well, I certainly do hear you, Dr. Saul. Any suggestions as to reducing microcalculi, possibly a build-up of calcium, in the Prostate and may I post your remarks on a Prostate list? And thank you. Obie. Re: Calcium Dear Obie, I would say that this is looking through the wrong end of the telescope. If the body is deficient in dietary calcium, it will draw from the bones and teeth (leading to osteoporosis, by the way). The parathyroid glands will secrete a hormone that causes this to happen. The withdrawal usually exceeds the requirement, resulting in excess calcium in the blood, potentially disrupting heart firing, and the body quickly dumps it to a non-critical area, such as a joint or a gland. Taking calcium without magnesium, Vitamin D, zinc and boron, results in poor absorption, so the net effect is that you are calcium deficient and poorer to boot. The magnesium you take after the buildup of calcium deposits will not likely remove the deposits, but will help future supplementation with calcium, provided that the other nutrients are there as well. The lesson is that concentrating on one nutrient and ignoring its cofactors results in imbalance, leaving you no better off, and perhaps worse off. That is why it is important to get a balance of nutrients, as far as it is possible. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh, LTOH http://www.plasmafire.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2002 Report Share Posted November 19, 2002 Donna, sometimes Max and I both have this great let down in the afternoon; just no energy and all we want to do is crawl up into the sack and go to sleep. She's doing a teaspoon and I'm doing a teaspoon and a half of Colostum two times a day; love it, for sure, but you'd think we should be a bundle of energy. Maybe it's something else. Obie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2002 Report Share Posted November 20, 2002 > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:04:06 -0600 > > > Donna, sometimes Max and I both have this great let down in > the afternoon; just no energy and all we want to do is crawl > up into the sack and go to sleep. She's doing a teaspoon and > I'm doing a teaspoon and a half of Colostum two times a day; > love it, for sure, but you'd think we should be a bundle of > energy. Maybe it's something else. Obie. Eh? I am currently taking about 6-8 tablespoons (not teaspoons) per day. I've been feeling really good, but I doubt a single teaspoon is gonna have *that* dramatic an impact. charles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2002 Report Share Posted November 20, 2002 Hi, , Obie here. 6-8 tablespoons, wow! I thought, when I saw that Jim was taking 1.5 teaspoons, that that was a lot so I really came to when I read your post. Not too long ago, someone on a seperate list advised that, when we subject supplementation to the digestive process, we lose 90% of what we take. I've begun to wonder if what I'm taking is not enough, need more. Do you take it bulk or in caps and, if bulk, how do you mix it, if at all, please? The best, Obie. Re: Calcium > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:04:06 -0600 > > > Donna, sometimes Max and I both have this great let down in > the afternoon; just no energy and all we want to do is crawl > up into the sack and go to sleep. She's doing a teaspoon and > I'm doing a teaspoon and a half of Colostum two times a day; > love it, for sure, but you'd think we should be a bundle of > energy. Maybe it's something else. Obie. Eh? I am currently taking about 6-8 tablespoons (not teaspoons) per day. I've been feeling really good, but I doubt a single teaspoon is gonna have *that* dramatic an impact. charles OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2002 Report Share Posted November 20, 2002 , Why so much colostrum? Dennis Marcus wrote: >>Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:04:06 -0600 >> >> >>Donna, sometimes Max and I both have this great let down in >>the afternoon; just no energy and all we want to do is crawl >>up into the sack and go to sleep. She's doing a teaspoon and >>I'm doing a teaspoon and a half of Colostum two times a day; >>love it, for sure, but you'd think we should be a bundle of >>energy. Maybe it's something else. Obie. >> >> > >Eh? > >I am currently taking about 6-8 tablespoons (not teaspoons) per >day. I've been feeling really good, but I doubt a single >teaspoon is gonna have *that* dramatic an impact. > >charles > > >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - >DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 Hi . A quarter of a teaspoon sends me into deep deep sleep. It really is an individual thing. I get major muscle mass increase and other benefits with just a small amount. I am amazed at people like you who can do large doses. I seriously think I would need 911 if I did that much and yet you thrive on it. Amazing Donna Re: Calcium > Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:04:06 -0600 > > > Donna, sometimes Max and I both have this great let down in > the afternoon; just no energy and all we want to do is crawl > up into the sack and go to sleep. She's doing a teaspoon and > I'm doing a teaspoon and a half of Colostum two times a day; > love it, for sure, but you'd think we should be a bundle of > energy. Maybe it's something else. Obie. Eh? I am currently taking about 6-8 tablespoons (not teaspoons) per day. I've been feeling really good, but I doubt a single teaspoon is gonna have *that* dramatic an impact. charles OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:40:36 -0500 > > > , > > Why so much colostrum? Honestly? Because I like the taste, and my body seems to crave it. I don't know - I just reach for the jar every couple of hours, don't know why. >>I am currently taking about 6-8 tablespoons (not teaspoons) per >>day. I've been feeling really good, but I doubt a single >>teaspoon is gonna have *that* dramatic an impact. >> >>charles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:41:09 -0800 > > > Hi . A quarter of a teaspoon sends me into deep deep > sleep. It really is an individual thing. I get major > muscle mass increase and other benefits with just a small > amount. I am amazed at people like you who can do large > doses. I seriously think I would need 911 if I did that much > and yet you thrive on it. Amazing is right - I really really really wish I didn't want/need so much - at the rate I'm going, I'm gonna go through a kilo a month, and at that rate, its not all that cheap. Man, a teaspoon a day - a kilo would last a year or more - for *two* *people*. I'm envious. Maybe my body'll catch up, and eventually start needing/wanting less - I can only hope... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2002 Report Share Posted November 21, 2002 , I doubt it. As long as you and I have been on this list we have both been " more is more " kind of people.... and frankly, I think you might even be a little more than me. ;-)) After reading about how much you take, I am thinking my 2 tsp daily is chump change. I'm going to TBLspns pronto! jim Marcus wrote: >>Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:41:09 -0800 >> >> >I'm envious. Maybe my body'll catch up, and eventually start >needing/wanting less - I can only hope... > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 It has, however, always been of interest to me that women from Northern Europe, where calcium in the diet from dairy products is the highest on Earth, and lactose tolerance is common, have the highest incidence of osteoporosis. It is clearly more than calcium uptake that is involved. JB On Oct 3, 2004, at 10:55 PM, PozHealth wrote: > The preponderance of published studies show that bone is lost in > populations > at risk of bone loss when supplemental calcium dosing is below about > 1000 mg > per day. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 there are many - seaveggies, green leafy veggies, sesame seeds, almonds, broccoli. modern socirty is calcium obsessed - most people are getting enough - we dont need such high levels if we are not having masses of protein - most people cant utilize the calcium they are ingesting because they are deficient in trace elements like silica, boron etc and minerals like magneisum - all found in the above sources and whole grains. omega three's are also important and vitamin d for absorption and utlisation sinvegan wrote: Hello, Don't know if anyone can help me. I used to have a Vegetarian Rainbow as well as a calcium chart and I can't find either. Does anyone have the calcium chart. It listed the highest/best vegan sources of calcium. Thanks. -- Ilanit Tof - Signature Ilanit Ms Ilanit Tof B.A. (Psychophysiology/Psychology) Advanced Diploma Healing with Wholefoods PhD Holistic Nutrition (candidate) Little Tree Oriental Healing Arts Helping you grow to new heights of wellbeing with Oriental Traditions and Modern Nutrition ilanit@... www.littletree.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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