Re: To GP and Zoe...

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" To paraphrase, post 6719 is:

-A request for others to inform GP that other members would like GP to

shut up.

-Information from another person who informed the group of a ban

addressed to GP on a different forum years ago. "

Thanks. I have also gotten personal e-mails about both GP and Mike

along a similar vein.

Thus I think I am well within my rights when sometimes I try to head

off certain discussions at the pass.

Administrator

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Zoe wrote: "To paraphrase, post 6719 is:- A request for others to inform GP that other members would like GP to shut up.- Information from another person who informed the group of a ban addressed to GP on a different forum years ago."

Specifically, GP was only one of a handful (meaning as many people as one has fingers on one's hand) people that the forum administrator ever had to ban from that specific forum. GP purposely -- and with malicious intent -- violated the rules of the other forum on a number of occasions. In the end, she had to be banned despite several warnings regarding her abusive posts that attacked other forum members because she would not follow the forum rules.

Again, that this is fact and known to a number of individuals who are acutely aware as to GP's online persona(s) in the present and in the past, and that she posts here as any other member does -- and without prejudice against her -- speaks loudly to the fairness of this forum.

That she would claim that this forum allows attacks on members -- in fact, implying that unfairness rules the day in this forum -- makes interesting food for thought, does it not? One has to wonder what GP's motives are in reality. Are we seeing some passive-aggressive malicious intent beginning to surface in her posts?

GP, perhaps you would like to elucidate at this point why it is that you decided that providing factual information was some sort of 'attack' when the individual who quit had minimal facts upon which to base his opinions as they pertain to the sacred dance protocol of the Arts Industry?

Raven

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Wow. Which ban? I was banned from a forum for having the cheek to give information and not back down when told to do so. The horrendous and abusive information? Most women are raped by someone they know. I was banned from a partner forum for daring to state that autistic men have a valid perspective on relationships too and for not agreeing that all nt wives are saints. I was banned from another forum when a young woman who said she wanted a relationship and children also said that she thought semen was disgusting. I was considered filthy and rude when I said it would be a good idea to get counselling if she wanted a healthy sexual relationship. Of course, if she finds a partner who wants marriage and children without sex, that would not be necessary. Discussion about sexuality is banned in that forum, but the person who raised the topic was not banned. I was banned from another forum because I did not seek advice about autism from the forum owner, a neurotypical person who in my opinion knows enough about autism to almost cover the head of a pin. I am actually allowed back in that forum if ever I need advice. Erm, I often ask advice, but not there. I do not abuse people. I have been involved in conflict here and have had some quite unkind things said about me but I do not return insults and I am not abusive, just different.

I do not think unfairness rules the day here. I think it does happen here, just as unfairness happens in every other arena of life. It is not possible to be fair to everyone all the time. I think that often autistic people are very passionate about certain topics. I think we also do not always know the effect that we have on people. I don't often post any more because I know some people here who will respond negatively to my opinions so I tend not to address some of their comments. That is one of the ways that I deal with things I perceive to be unfair. I am aware that the other party may have a different perception.

I don't think that giving facts is a personal attack. I think that sometimes the way facts are presented or defended, particularly if one is alone in an opinion can feel like an attack. An attack does happen when the discussion veers from statements about the topic to statements which address personal characteristics or personal information about one or more people who are involved in the discussion. I also believe that a person is entitled to feel attacked if the language used in the discussion deteriorates from the type of language commonly viewed as courteous. That can be complicated by culture and dialects. For example, I once watched part of a bizarre movie about a girl who was really a princess. She kept on using the term "shut up" used in a way that does not indicate that the speaker is asking someone to be quiet in a rude manner. I do not know the intent of her meaning, but I would not accuse the character of being abusive.

If Zoe has been asked privately to refrain from abusive language after wanting me to shut up, then I would say the forum is supportiveof all members. If it is appropriate to ask people to shut up when you do not like their opinions, then I think the forum is supportive of some members, but not others. Of course there is another possibility. It could be that telling people to shut up is an acceptable part of American etiquette. I don't know because the only Americans I meet would know that is rude and abusive in Australia, so a lot of what happens in conversation with me here and in some forums, could be considered cultural differences. Btw, I do not think a single, brief comment agreeing with another poster is in any way "speaking loudly". I think there would be an enormous amount of creative thinking required to find that comment containing the subtext of "passive-aggressive malicious intent beginning to surface in her posts".

I don't think I am agressive, passive or otherwise, but I also accept that email is a very unforgiving medium and posts from all parties may appear stronger than intended. I do have strong opinions, as do some other members. I don't have a hidden subtext. If I did, I would probably find it easier to get along with people. I say what I think and I do not always have acceptable thoughts, it seems. Actually I can't imagine what the hidden subtext of joining this forum would be.

GP

Re: To GP and Zoe...

Zoe wrote: "To paraphrase, post 6719 is:

- A request for others to inform GP that other members would like GP to shut up.

- Information from another person who informed the group of a ban addressed to GP on a different forum years ago."

Specifically, GP was only one of a handful (meaning as many people as one has fingers on one's hand) people that the forum administrator ever had to ban from that specific forum. GP purposely -- and with malicious intent -- violated the rules of the other forum on a number of occasions. In the end, she had to be banned despite several warnings regarding her abusive posts that attacked other forum members because she would not follow the forum rules.

Again, that this is fact and known to a number of individuals who are acutely aware as to GP's online persona(s) in the present and in the past, and that she posts here as any other member does -- and without prejudice against her -- speaks loudly to the fairness of this forum.

That she would claim that this forum allows attacks on members -- in fact, implying that unfairness rules the day in this forum -- makes interesting food for thought, does it not? One has to wonder what GP's motives are in reality. Are we seeing some passive-aggressive malicious intent beginning to surface in her posts?

GP, perhaps you would like to elucidate at this point why it is that you decided that providing factual information was some sort of 'attack' when the individual who quit had minimal facts upon which to base his opinions as they pertain to the sacred dance protocol of the Arts Industry?

Raven

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I didn't think Mike was right about the music industry. I know nothing about that and have no way to judge, which is why I did not participate in that discussion.

I'm done.

It's plain that I can't talk here freely concerning my own point of view without being attacked.

Congratulations. I may not be a troll but I'm certain you'll call me one after I'm gone so enjoy your celebration.

I wish you no ill will but I can't stay here.

One final parting point - don't complain about people not talking in your group when they are attacked if they don't agree with your views.

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gprobertson wrote: " Wow.? Which ban?? I was banned from a forum for

having the cheek to give information?and not back down when told to

do so.? The horrendous and abusive information? ?Most women are raped

by someone they know.??? I was banned from a partner forum ...

<snip> ... "

Well then you were banned from TWO forums -- the one you mentioned

and the one that was referenced in my post.

gprobertson wrote: " ... <snip> ... I was banned from another forum

when a young woman who said she wanted a relationship and children

also said that she thought semen was disgusting.? I was considered

filthy and rude when I said it would be a good idea to get

counselling if she wanted a healthy sexual relationship.? Of course,

if she finds a partner who wants marriage and children without sex,

that would not?be necessary.? Discussion about sexuality is banned in

that forum, but the person who raised the topic was not banned ...

<snip> ... "

Then you were banned from THREE forums -- the one you mentioned

previously, the only you mentioned in THIS section of your response

and the one that was referenced in my post.

gprobertson wrote: " ... <snip> ... I was banned from another forum

because I did not seek advice about autism from the forum owner, a

neurotypical person who in my opinion knows enough about autism to

almost cover the head of a pin ... <snip> ... "

Ah, then you were banned from FOUR forums -- the one you mentioned in

the first section of your response, the one you mentioned in the

second section of your response, the one you mentioned in THIS

section of your response and the one that was referenced in my post.

I have not been banned from any forums. Perhaps I dance that 'sacred

dance of protocol' Mike spoke so highly about after all. Perhaps

others who believe the dance ought to be referred to as sacred -- and

which is not in my opinion -- do not dance it nearly as well despite

thinking that they do.

gprobertson wrote: " ... <snip> ... I don't think that giving facts

is a personal attack.? I think that sometimes the way facts are

presented or defended, particularly if one is alone in an opinion can

feel like an attack.? An attack does happen when the discussion veers

from statements about the topic to statements which address personal

characteristics or personal information about one or more people who

are involved in the discussion.? I also believe that a person is

entitled to feel attacked if the language used in the discussion

deteriorates from the type of language commonly viewed as courteous.?

That can be complicated by culture and dialects... <snip> ... "

This was not the case with Mike Hebel. So, please elucidate on what

it was, exactly, that you agreed with when Mike quit, stating that he

had been attacked for his views on the 'sacred dance of protocol.'

gprobertson wrote: " ... <snip> ... Btw, I do not think a single,

brief?comment agreeing with another poster is in any way " speaking

loudly " ... <snip> ... "

From someone who posts often and who has not been interviewed by such

people as Donna , a single comment might not be 'speaking

loudly' but with notoriety comes more power ergo some single comments

have greater constructive/destructive power than others.

Raven

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gproberston wrote: "I didn't think Mike was right about the music industry.? I know nothing about that and have no way to judge, which is why I did not participate in that discussion."

We know you have minimal knowledge of the music industry and that is not what meant when he posted his questions to you. However, as you oftentimes do in this forum, you are mixing apples with oranges.

Here's what is asking you about:

Mike Hebel wrote: "It's plain that I can't talk here freely concerning my own point of view without being attacked. Congratulations. I may not be a troll but I'm certain you'll call me one after I'm gone so enjoy your celebration. I wish you no ill will but I can't stay here. One final parting point -- don't complain about people not talking in your group when they are attacked if they don't agree with your views."

gprobertson wrote: i agree with this post.

I asked you about this same thing. What exactly are you agreeing with when you agree with Mike's post?

You may not know Mike's posting past in this forum -- you certainly do not know his posting past in the other FAM forums -- but suffice it to say, if you do a search you will see that he had been asked more than once to post appropriately. There was more than one email sent to him on the same subject.

So, gprobertson, what exactly were you agreeing with in Mike's post since I've addressed your previous post that also tried to obscure the facts around this particular situation?Raven

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The general membership would not even know that I was interviewed by Donna if you had not chosen to make that public here. FYI the autism world in Australia is small so autistics who have attended more than one conference are very likely to know each other. I refute the idea that the interview has given me notoriety or such power that a tiny sentence can wreak havoc. It was a sentence which people could agree with or disagree with as they see fit.

I think that it is useful for people to have some understanding of protocols. The ability to learn and practice them will vary between individuals, but understanding what is going on can really make life easier. For example, for me it was only after diagnosis that someone gave me a basic explanation of the protocols of greetings. A personal choice I have made is to shake hands when introduced professionally even though that is disgusting to me. In private life I do not shake hands but explain to people that I have Asperger Syndrome and for me, skin to skin contact is difficult. Eye contact is not something that I can do so even in professional life, I have to explain that I cannot look and listen. I do not even bother trying to explain the appalling feeling of exposure I get from sustained eye contact because from experience, most humans just do not have the ability to empathise with that.

I have already explained my thoughts on disagreement vs attack.

Re multiple banning. I have a strong personality and I polarize people. It happens in real life too. Fortunately I have a job where the ability to stand by the things I believe are right is much appreciated by the parents of my clients and by my employer. I would like to know in a private email of the forum to which you refer.

Re: To GP and Zoe...

gprobertson wrote: "Wow.? Which ban?? I was banned from a forum for having the cheek to give information?and not back down when told to do so.? The horrendous and abusive information? ?Most women are raped by someone they know.??? I was banned from a partner forum ... <snip> ... "

Well then you were banned from TWO forums -- the one you mentioned and the one that was referenced in my post.

gprobertson wrote: " ... <snip> ... I was banned from another forum when a young woman who said she wanted a relationship and children also said that she thought semen was disgusting.? I was considered filthy and rude when I said it would be a good idea to get counselling if she wanted a healthy sexual relationship.? Of course, if she finds a partner who wants marriage and children without sex, that would not?be necessary.? Discussion about sexuality is banned in that forum, but the person who raised the topic was not banned ... <snip> ... "

Then you were banned from THREE forums -- the one you mentioned previously, the only you mentioned in THIS section of your response and the one that was referenced in my post.

gprobertson wrote: " ... <snip> ... I was banned from another forum because I did not seek advice about autism from the forum owner, a neurotypical person who in my opinion knows enough about autism to almost cover the head of a pin ... <snip> ... "

Ah, then you were banned from FOUR forums -- the one you mentioned in the first section of your response, the one you mentioned in the second section of your response, the one you mentioned in THIS section of your response and the one that was referenced in my post.

I have not been banned from any forums. Perhaps I dance that 'sacred dance of protocol' Mike spoke so highly about after all. Perhaps others who believe the dance ought to be referred to as sacred -- and which is not in my opinion -- do not dance it nearly as well despite thinking that they do.

gprobertson wrote: " ... <snip> ... I don't think that giving facts is a personal attack.? I think that sometimes the way facts are presented or defended, particularly if one is alone in an opinion can feel like an attack.? An attack does happen when the discussion veers from statements about the topic to statements which address personal characteristics or personal information about one or more people who are involved in the discussion.? I also believe that a person is entitled to feel attacked if the language used in the discussion deteriorates from the type of language commonly viewed as courteous.? That can be complicated by culture and dialects... <snip> ... "

This was not the case with Mike Hebel. So, please elucidate on what it was, exactly, that you agreed with when Mike quit, stating that he had been attacked for his views on the 'sacred dance of protocol.'

gprobertson wrote: " ... <snip> ... Btw, I do not think a single, brief?comment agreeing with another poster is in any way "speaking loudly" ... <snip> ... "

From someone who posts often and who has not been interviewed by such people as Donna , a single comment might not be 'speaking loudly' but with notoriety comes more power ergo some single comments have greater constructive/destructive power than others.

Raven

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the first and last sentences. I think the middle sentence is indicative that he is feeling very bad and I hope nobody would stoop to calling him names.

Re: To GP and Zoe...

gproberston wrote: "I didn't think Mike was right about the music industry.? I know nothing about that and have no way to judge, which is why I did not participate in that discussion."

We know you have minimal knowledge of the music industry and that is not what meant when he posted his questions to you. However, as you oftentimes do in this forum, you are mixing apples with oranges.

Here's what is asking you about:

Mike Hebel wrote: "It's plain that I can't talk here freely concerning my own point of view without being attacked. Congratulations. I may not be a troll but I'm certain you'll call me one after I'm gone so enjoy your celebration. I wish you no ill will but I can't stay here. One final parting point -- don't complain about people not talking in your group when they are attacked if they don't agree with your views."

gprobertson wrote: i agree with this post.

I asked you about this same thing. What exactly are you agreeing with when you agree with Mike's post?

You may not know Mike's posting past in this forum -- you certainly do not know his posting past in the other FAM forums -- but suffice it to say, if you do a search you will see that he had been asked more than once to post appropriately. There was more than one email sent to him on the same subject.

So, gprobertson, what exactly were you agreeing with in Mike's post since I've addressed your previous post that also tried to obscure the facts around this particular situation?

Raven

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" I would like to know in a private email of the forum to which you

refer. "

I cannot do that because that forum's administrator is here and wants

to remain anonymous. As I may have said somewhere or other in the forum

history, at any given time, I am in association with the administrators

of as many as 40 forums. Some of them post at FAM.

Perhaps the forum admin will come forward, however.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

I was not in the mentioned conversation. I merely paraphrased and

summarized as requested. A different set of members was requesting

your silence, GP.

If Zoe has been asked privately to refrain from abusive language after

wanting me to shut up, then I would say the forum is supportiveof all

members. If it is appropriate to ask people to shut up when you do

not like their opinions, then I think the forum is supportive of some

members, but not others. Of course there is another possibility. It

could be that telling people to shut up is an acceptable part of

American etiquette. I don't know because the only Americans I meet

would know that is rude and abusive in Australia, so a lot of what

happens in conversation with me here and in some forums, could be

considered cultural differences. Btw, I do not think a single, brief

comment agreeing with another poster is in any way " speaking loudly " .

I think there would be an enormous amount of creative thinking

required to find that comment containing the subtext of

" passive-aggressive malicious intent beginning to surface in her

posts " .

[Guest guest]

Zoe wrote in response to gprobertson: " ... <snip> ... A different set

of members was requesting your silence, GP ... <snip> ... "

And yet, gprobertson, the attacks and silencing and censure and such

that you claim goes on in this forum -- remember that you have agreed

with Mike wholeheartedly with regards to perceived 'attacks' -- you

still exercise free speech here. Hmmmmmmmmm ......

Raven

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GP Said:"If Zoe has been asked privately to refrain from abusive language after wanting me to shut up, then I would say the forum is supportiveof all members. If it is appropriate to ask people to shut up when you do not like their opinions, then I think the forum is supportive of some members, but not others. Of course there is another possibility. It could be that telling people to shut up is an acceptable part of American etiquette. I don't know because the only Americans I meet would know that is rude and abusive in Australia, so a lot of what happens in conversation with me here and in some forums, could be considered cultural differences. Btw, I do not think a single, brief comment agreeing with another poster is in any way "speaking loudly".

I think there would be an enormous amount of creative thinking required to find that comment containing the subtext of "passive-aggressive malicious intent beginning to surface in her posts".

Zoe replied:

I was not in the mentioned conversation. I merely paraphrased and summarized as requested. A different set of members was requesting your silence, GP.

In post 44149 Zoe said:

"Thank you for behaving like mature adults GP and Mike..."

Tom says:

It is my opinion that Mike was NOT be having like an adult, and at times, GP, I don't believe you act like an adult either. To demonstrate to Zoe, and to you GP, about just why I think you are somemtimes do not behave maturely, I had Zoe quote a post in a separate Fellowship of the Aspergian Miracle forum in which a third person states that you were banned from their forum. The forum you were banned from was administrated by that third person.

That third person, in another post in that other forum, delineated why you were banned from their forum.

As it happens I believe you demonstrate similar behavior -from time to time- here, but I have not banned you because

1) I am unclear whetheryour behavior is AS driven or trollish, and

2) You have not caused enough consternation to warrant a banning anyway.

So to reiterate, while Zoe is entitled to her opinion that you and Mike are behaving like mature adults, I feel otherwise in Mike's case, and from time to time I feel it in your case, and there is at least one administrator of a forum from which you were banned from who believes the same about you. To demonstrate this fact, I had Zoe paraphrase that administrator's quote.

I am sure Zoe's opinion of you still stands: ie

In post 44149 Zoe said:

"Thank you for behaving like mature adults GP and Mike..."

I do not like to talk about ex-members if I can help it so I am going to make a general comment about the situation that led to our departed member quitting and then I am going to make a second comment which applies to a discussion that occurred here in the past between all of us, including you GP.

1) Raven has been in the music industry playing both major and minor parts for 30 years now. During that time she has...

-Played an instrument in some bands

-Been a backup vocalist in some bands

-Started two bands under stage names and toured with them worldwide

-Toured solo

-Managed a number of bands

-Cut albums under her stage names and current name

-Has had major recording contracts

-Appeared in music videos on TV

-Been a talent scout

-Mastered record albums with someone who is considered to be one of the world's best. Thus her name (and also a stage name) appears as a credit on many albums which she has polished.

-Knows and associates with award winning musicians.

-Has done work for award winning musicians.

And so she knows the industry and knows what's invovled in making it. You can do it two ways: Honestly (aka the Raven way) or dishonestly.

These days, honest musicians rarely ever make it, but by and large, they are the more talented musicians because IF they make it to the top it was because their talent was so good that promoters would be foolish not to hire them.

So for our departed forum member to say that because he knows one person in show biz with a comparatively skimpy resume that he knows showbiz from the bottom up is just foolish.

2) Raven and I are both very well studied in autism spectrum disorders. Our MIC podcasts are now linked to by over 500 organizations worldwide. We have direct contact with top people in the autism field, including Donna . We have read extensively studies on ASDs from reliable sources. Sometimes, to confirm facts, we communicate with the sources themselves. We have assisted parents. We have attended conventions. We have helped autistics directly, and the ONE THING that we have been told time and time again is that the biggest hindrance to autistics getting good care is the misinformation disseminated by

-the net

-quack doctors

-misinformed doctors

-misinformed parents

-holistic healers

-people on the lecture circuit who fail to research their facts

-the media

-poorly researched books

-organizations which make a business out of "treating and curing" autistics

-shoddy research

-etc.

It has been hammered into us that when someone starts to spread information that has been disproven by science that we must counter that with the true facts, which is why we tirelessly argued with you about the SONRISE program in the past and why we argued with our departed member about the DISPROVEN MYTH that vaccines cause autism.

Raven and I are drawing on all the respected sources in the world to reverse the damage that has been done, either by well meaning but ignorant individuals, or by people deliberately trying to profit in the autism industry.

Thus while it seems we are just trying to shut people up, we believe that we are acting responsibly, and with a mandate given to us by respected authorities who are trying to do the same.

Administrator

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That was sarcasm.

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 17:13, environmental1st2003

<no_reply > wrote:

> In post 44149 Zoe said:

> " Thank you for behaving like mature adults GP and Mike... "

>

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Re: Re: To GP and Zoe...

"That was sarcasm."On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 17:13, environmental1st2003<no_reply > wrote:In post 44149 Zoe said:

"Thank you for behaving like mature adults GP and Mike..."

Ah! No wonder none of us got it. We're all Aspies.

Administrator

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*laughs* Usually I use " </sarcasm> " for that reason.

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:29, environmental1st2003

<no_reply > wrote:

> Re: Re: To GP and Zoe...

> " That was sarcasm. "

>

> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 17:13, environmental1st2003

> <no_reply > wrote:

>

> In post 44149 Zoe said:

> " Thank you for behaving like mature adults GP and Mike... "

> Ah! No wonder none of us got it. We're all Aspies.

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DoH! I always get nailed by sarcasm and double entendre and

innuendo!!! Ya gotta warn me with an emoticon or something, Zoe!

Raven

> >

> > In post 44149 Zoe said:

> > " Thank you for behaving like mature adults GP and Mike... "

> > Ah! No wonder none of us got it. We're all Aspies.

>

[Guest guest]

There is a lesson to be learned here, and I guess it's that we are all weird.

I really have no interest in arguing with anyone. We'll give GP a chance to respond and then let's try to end the discussion peacefully.

Adminisrtator

Re: Re: To GP and Zoe...

*laughs* Usually I use "</sarcasm>" for that reason.On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:29, environmental1st2003<no_reply > wrote:> Re: Re: To GP and Zoe...> "That was sarcasm.">> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 17:13, environmental1st2003> <no_reply > wrote:>> In post 44149 Zoe said:> "Thank you for behaving like mature adults GP and Mike..."> Ah! No wonder none of us got it. We're all Aspies.

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I can't really reply to Raven. Nothing I say is accepted at face value.

You have shown your delight in dancing around the heart of the matter on other subjects, so why would I think you would do otherwise in this instance?

To me, this is an example of an attack. I have no idea why she thinks I am delighted. Actually I am very upset that I cannot explain myself and that the things I say are turned on me in very negative ways which bear no relation to reality.

You obviously know all the forums that have banned you (since you mentioned three that I did not know about in a previous post) so it's a safe bet that you are more than aware of the one to which I am referring.

To me this is an attack. In good faith I was open and honest about things that have happened to me in different places on the net in order to identify the incident. I don't know why she thinks I am lying about not knowing the incident to which she refers. It feels very bad.

Raking up past discussions on this forum:

I thought old discussions were closed by instruction from the adminstrator. Now they are open again. I don't know why that is happening but I feel bad about that too because I would not have been sure that it was ok to do that.

References to the protocols and the law:

I was asked a question. I gave an answer. My answer is not acceptable apparently. I do not know what to do about that.

I don't even know if I should have answered this email as other ppl want me to shut up. I assume the wishes of the administrator take priority over the wishes of other members, so if you are annoyed that I am still responding to this topic, well that is why.

Re: To GP and Zoe...

There is a lesson to be learned here, and I guess it's that we are all weird.

I really have no interest in arguing with anyone. We'll give GP a chance to respond and then let's try to end the discussion peacefully.

Adminisrtator

Re: Re: To GP and Zoe...

*laughs* Usually I use "</sarcasm>" for that reason.

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 19:29, environmental1st2003

<no_reply > wrote:

> Re: Re: To GP and Zoe...

> "That was sarcasm."

>

> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 17:13, environmental1st2003

> <no_reply > wrote:

>

> In post 44149 Zoe said:

> "Thank you for behaving like mature adults GP and Mike..."

> Ah! No wonder none of us got it. We're all Aspies.

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I hope the person has the strength of character to do so as well.

Re: To GP and Zoe...

"I would like to know in a private email of the forum to which you refer."

I cannot do that because that forum's administrator is here and wants to remain anonymous. As I may have said somewhere or other in the forum history, at any given time, I am in association with the administrators of as many as 40 forums. Some of them post at FAM.

Perhaps the forum admin will come forward, however.

Administrator

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Raven wrote: " ... <snip> ... Raking up past discussions on this forum ... <snip> ... "gprobertson responded: "I thought old discussions were closed by instruction from the adminstrator. Now they are open again. I don't know why that is happening but I feel bad about that too because I would not have been sure that it was ok to do that."

Raven replied to gprobertson: YOU brought the old discussion back into the forum, not I. I was responding to your comments regarding the old discussion. Then you complain that you feel badly and play the victim. How would you have me respond? To not respond to your incorrect information regarding the old discussion would be to imply that your new take on the old discussion is accurate when it is not.Raven made "References to the protocols and the law."gprobertson responded: "I was asked a question. I gave an answer. My answer is not acceptable apparently. I do not know what to do about that."

You gave AN answer to be sure but you did not give the answer that replied to the question put to you. What do you do about that? I would suspect that, as with most other people, when people ask you a question and you wish to answer, that you actually answer the question put to you.

Raven

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Raven wrote: "You have shown your delight in dancing around the heart of the matter on other subjects, so why would I think you would do otherwise in this instance? "

gprobertson responded: "To me, this is an example of an attack. I have no idea why she thinks I am delighted. Actually I am very upset that I cannot explain myself and that the things I say are turned on me in very negative ways which bear no relation to reality."

Stating that your refusal to respond directly to questions and stating that you provide answers that have no relation to the question ( in both cases, for which facts are in evidence) is not an attack. They are statements of fact.

That you are injecting my words with emotions that are not present at the time of writing does not make my comments an attack against you. It means that you are falsely adding elements to my writing which are not part of the writing.

Raven

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gprobertson wrote: " I hope the person has the strength of character to

do so as well. "

Well, I would hope that you have the strength of character to be

forthright with your answers.

As for the individual to whom you are referring, the individual has

strength of character. That being said, I can completely understand

why the individual may not wish to make himself or herself known to you

in this forum, leaving himself or herself open to potential abuse.

Raven

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I thought we were supposed to stop this discussion after I had the opportunity to reply. Is this so, or must I continue the discussion?

Re: To GP and Zoe...

gprobertson wrote: "I hope the person has the strength of character to do so as well."

Well, I would hope that you have the strength of character to be forthright with your answers.

As for the individual to whom you are referring, the individual has strength of character. That being said, I can completely understand why the individual may not wish to make himself or herself known to you in this forum, leaving himself or herself open to potential abuse.

Raven

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gprobertson wrote: " I thought we were supposed to stop this discussion

after I had the opportunity to reply. Is this so, or must I continue

the discussion? "

No one forces anyone to do anything, gprobertson.

That being said, when you post incorrect information about my post, I

will absolutely defend myself against the incorrect information put

forth as correct information.

Raven

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Yup. But we probably ought to agree to disagree.

Administrator

" I thought we were supposed to stop this discussion

after I had the opportunity to reply. Is this so, or must I continue

the discussion? "

No one forces anyone to do anything, gprobertson.

That being said, when you post incorrect information about my post, I

will absolutely defend myself against the incorrect information put

forth as correct information.

Raven