Re: Typical or not typical?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You probably already know : ) . Many of these behaviors are not typical. There

are many

things that could be going on. I would request a complete evaluation from the

school as

soon as possible, as there is always a delay in getting things done. What does

her

pediatrician say? Have you had her hearing tested? What does her teacher have

to say?

Good luck! Keep us posted!

Deanna

>

> Hi Everyone!

>

> I know that no one here can diagnose my daughter, I just want to

> know if any parents out there are or have experienced this with a

> child and if it is typical behavior or not. Any info would be GREAT!!

>

> My almost 5 year old daughter has not been diagnosed with

> anything but our 3 yo son has (classic autism). Though they have

> similiar characteristics, she is quite different from him. We have

> always thought she was a little " quirky " but we thought the same

> thing about our son until we got the news, so now I am very concerned

> and feeling like I am going crazy.. haha! : )

>

> She has fine/gross motor issues (can't skip, low jumping, awkward

> running, can't swing herself, hard time holding pen & writing, using

> utensils, zipping/buttoning), she has sensory issues (hyper smell,

> taste, if spills water on shirt must change immediately, bath

> temperature, hyper hearing), frequent mood changes (very happy to

> very upset like flipping a switch and alot of times for no apparent

> reason or something really minor), avoids tasks/challenges w/o trying

> if she knows she has a hard time with it, will quit soon after if she

> has a hard time, very controlling in play (tells you what to do, say,

> and if you don't becomes upset), frequently says: " I don't

> remember " , " I forgot " , " I can't " , " I don't know " . When I pick her up

> from school, if I ask her what she did that day, she won't talk about

> it or tells me she doesn't remember, gets upset or says I just want

> to listen to music. She wants to be social with children her own age

> yet it seems as though she has problems initiating conversation/play,

> does better with children younger than her. She walks around in

> circles talking to herself all the time, she flaps and flicks her

> fingers oddly, has problems with expressive language and WH

> questions, seems to be in a dream world most of the time, she talks

> loudly and laughs loudly, she gets confused when you ask her

> a " yes/no " question, she'll tell you yes when she means no then gets

> upset b/c you did the yes and not the no. If you ask her, " how are

> you? " she always replies " four " , you have to specifically ask

> her " how she is doing " then she replies " fine " . She licks herself and

> other things frequently. If we are driving in the car and she sees

> something, she can't explain what it is and gets upset b/c she

> believes you saw it (even when you didn't) and are not listening to

> her (you can't describe what it was b/c you didn't see it but she

> thinks you did).

>

> I know this is alot of info, but if anyone else has experienced

> any of this with your child please let me know if this is typical or

> not. Just really worried!! Thanks!!

>

> Sincerely,

> Wendi

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Wendi

I am a Mom of an almost 3 yr old son on the spectrum. I also

have two girls ages 14 and 22 that are NT. From what you have

described..it can be very hard to tell. Especially my not being a Dr

or Phd. But from one Mom to another I would say to get her an

appointment asap to be evaluated. That is just from knowing how

important it will be to know... for her and yourself. Plus you want

her to have the earliest available help possible, if needed. There

are so many children that are not on the spectrum that do have sensory

issues going on. It does sound like your litle girl does have sensory.

Some of her behaviors could be linked to that. Some I can see could

possibly fall under typical behavior. I think the global amount of

difficulties she is having and frustration she shows would warrant

a good evaluation. Not feeling comfortable and or getting easily

frustrated in doing new tasks is usally motor planning problems .

If you model an action for her ..say you show spreading peanut butter on bread

and she resists or gets frustrated trying. You could practice doing some

had over hand with her. Help her hands do the task a few times. If this

helps then bingo..OT can help with this.

If your daughter is at all on the spectrum..she is very high functioning.

Have you heard of Floortime and RDI? I would suggest reading the book

" Engaging Autism " by Stanley Greenspan. He also wrote " The child with

special needs " both AWESOME. He really covers the sensory area as well

as explians how you can work with your child yourself using the Floortime

approach. Its also great for working on the language, conversation and W

questions. There is also a websight with lots of information at www.floortime.org

You really have to search all the RDI is also a great tool for parents to use.

You are at a really hard time right now. Not knowing. Good for you for being

on top of your daughters developement. Its much easier to get help the younger

the child is ( unfare but true) autism, aspergers, sensory, ADHD ..any of these.

If she tests to not be on the spectrum, you will be better capable in how to

help her and vise versa. Prayers for you and your family

39 and Mom to threeTasha 22 ooops..new Mommy ( Grammy to Kyri 18/m)Casey-Mae 14..sweet as pieElijah 2 1/2.. ASD and beautiful

To: AutismBehaviorProblems Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:34:57 PMSubject: Typical or not typical?

Hi Everyone!I know that no one here can diagnose my daughter, I just want to know if any parents out there are or have experienced this with a child and if it is typical behavior or not. Any info would be GREAT!!My almost 5 year old daughter has not been diagnosed with anything but our 3 yo son has (classic autism). Though they have similiar characteristics, she is quite different from him. We have always thought she was a little "quirky" but we thought the same thing about our son until we got the news, so now I am very concerned and feeling like I am going crazy.. haha! : )She has fine/gross motor issues (can't skip, low jumping, awkward running, can't swing herself, hard time holding pen & writing, using utensils, zipping/buttoning) , she has sensory issues (hyper smell, taste, if spills water on shirt must change immediately, bath temperature, hyper hearing), frequent mood

changes (very happy to very upset like flipping a switch and alot of times for no apparent reason or something really minor), avoids tasks/challenges w/o trying if she knows she has a hard time with it, will quit soon after if she has a hard time, very controlling in play (tells you what to do, say, and if you don't becomes upset), frequently says: "I don't remember", "I forgot", "I can't", "I don't know". When I pick her up from school, if I ask her what she did that day, she won't talk about it or tells me she doesn't remember, gets upset or says I just want to listen to music. She wants to be social with children her own age yet it seems as though she has problems initiating conversation/ play, does better with children younger than her. She walks around in circles talking to herself all the time, she flaps and flicks her fingers oddly, has problems with expressive language and WH questions,

seems to be in a dream world most of the time, she talks loudly and laughs loudly, she gets confused when you ask her a "yes/no" question, she'll tell you yes when she means no then gets upset b/c you did the yes and not the no. If you ask her, "how are you?" she always replies "four", you have to specifically ask her "how she is doing" then she replies "fine". She licks herself and other things frequently. If we are driving in the car and she sees something, she can't explain what it is and gets upset b/c she believes you saw it (even when you didn't) and are not listening to her (you can't describe what it was b/c you didn't see it but she thinks you did).I know this is alot of info, but if anyone else has experienced any of this with your child please let me know if this is typical or not. Just really worried!!

Thanks!!Sincerely,Wendi

[Guest guest]

wendi,

Your daughter sounds alot like my 8 yr old son. My son is less verbal

though. I mentioned all this to his dr when he was 2 and for the next

6 yrs was told I was crazy. Finally in December of 2008 (at 8 yrs

old) my son was diagnosed on the autism spectrum. I can't say your

daughter is, but I would suggest that you have her tested. I wish my

sons dr had listened to me 6 yrs ago. Good luck.

Jenni

>

> Hi Everyone!

>

> I know that no one here can diagnose my daughter, I just want

to

> know if any parents out there are or have experienced this with a

> child and if it is typical behavior or not. Any info would be

GREAT!!

>

> My almost 5 year old daughter has not been diagnosed with

> anything but our 3 yo son has (classic autism). Though they have

> similiar characteristics, she is quite different from him. We have

> always thought she was a little " quirky " but we thought the same

> thing about our son until we got the news, so now I am very

concerned

> and feeling like I am going crazy.. haha! : )

>

> She has fine/gross motor issues (can't skip, low jumping,

awkward

> running, can't swing herself, hard time holding pen & writing,

using

> utensils, zipping/buttoning), she has sensory issues (hyper smell,

> taste, if spills water on shirt must change immediately, bath

> temperature, hyper hearing), frequent mood changes (very happy to

> very upset like flipping a switch and alot of times for no apparent

> reason or something really minor), avoids tasks/challenges w/o

trying

> if she knows she has a hard time with it, will quit soon after if

she

> has a hard time, very controlling in play (tells you what to do,

say,

> and if you don't becomes upset), frequently says: " I don't

> remember " , " I forgot " , " I can't " , " I don't know " . When I pick her

up

> from school, if I ask her what she did that day, she won't talk

about

> it or tells me she doesn't remember, gets upset or says I just want

> to listen to music. She wants to be social with children her own

age

> yet it seems as though she has problems initiating

conversation/play,

> does better with children younger than her. She walks around in

> circles talking to herself all the time, she flaps and flicks her

> fingers oddly, has problems with expressive language and WH

> questions, seems to be in a dream world most of the time, she talks

> loudly and laughs loudly, she gets confused when you ask her

> a " yes/no " question, she'll tell you yes when she means no then

gets

> upset b/c you did the yes and not the no. If you ask her, " how are

> you? " she always replies " four " , you have to specifically ask

> her " how she is doing " then she replies " fine " . She licks herself

and

> other things frequently. If we are driving in the car and she sees

> something, she can't explain what it is and gets upset b/c she

> believes you saw it (even when you didn't) and are not listening to

> her (you can't describe what it was b/c you didn't see it but she

> thinks you did).

>

> I know this is alot of info, but if anyone else has experienced

> any of this with your child please let me know if this is typical

or

> not. Just really worried!! Thanks!!

>

> Sincerely,

> Wendi

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deanna!

We requested an eval from the ISD; they did speech and autism. She

scored just high enough in speech to not receive services. For the

autism, my husband and I filled out multiple tests (all of which came

back with a score of probable/likely autism), but when the autism

assessment team did their evaluations of her & observations, they

determined that there wasn't enough evidence for her to receive

services. Her hearing and vision are both fine. Her teachers at her

pre-k school feel the same as we do: she has something going on with

her but not sure what. Even the speech pathologist from the ISD said

the same thing. We have an appointment with the developmental

pediatrician who diagnosed our son, but it is not until June. Thank

you so much for responding, I just feel like I am paranoid crazy

woman but scared that I'll fail her by listening to people who say

that I am making it up in my head, ha!

> >

> > Hi Everyone!

> >

> > I know that no one here can diagnose my daughter, I just want

to

> > know if any parents out there are or have experienced this with a

> > child and if it is typical behavior or not. Any info would be

GREAT!!

> >

> > My almost 5 year old daughter has not been diagnosed with

> > anything but our 3 yo son has (classic autism). Though they have

> > similiar characteristics, she is quite different from him. We

have

> > always thought she was a little " quirky " but we thought the same

> > thing about our son until we got the news, so now I am very

concerned

> > and feeling like I am going crazy.. haha! : )

> >

> > She has fine/gross motor issues (can't skip, low jumping,

awkward

> > running, can't swing herself, hard time holding pen & writing,

using

> > utensils, zipping/buttoning), she has sensory issues (hyper

smell,

> > taste, if spills water on shirt must change immediately, bath

> > temperature, hyper hearing), frequent mood changes (very happy to

> > very upset like flipping a switch and alot of times for no

apparent

> > reason or something really minor), avoids tasks/challenges w/o

trying

> > if she knows she has a hard time with it, will quit soon after if

she

> > has a hard time, very controlling in play (tells you what to do,

say,

> > and if you don't becomes upset), frequently says: " I don't

> > remember " , " I forgot " , " I can't " , " I don't know " . When I pick

her up

> > from school, if I ask her what she did that day, she won't talk

about

> > it or tells me she doesn't remember, gets upset or says I just

want

> > to listen to music. She wants to be social with children her own

age

> > yet it seems as though she has problems initiating

conversation/play,

> > does better with children younger than her. She walks around in

> > circles talking to herself all the time, she flaps and flicks her

> > fingers oddly, has problems with expressive language and WH

> > questions, seems to be in a dream world most of the time, she

talks

> > loudly and laughs loudly, she gets confused when you ask her

> > a " yes/no " question, she'll tell you yes when she means no then

gets

> > upset b/c you did the yes and not the no. If you ask her, " how

are

> > you? " she always replies " four " , you have to specifically ask

> > her " how she is doing " then she replies " fine " . She licks herself

and

> > other things frequently. If we are driving in the car and she

sees

> > something, she can't explain what it is and gets upset b/c she

> > believes you saw it (even when you didn't) and are not listening

to

> > her (you can't describe what it was b/c you didn't see it but she

> > thinks you did).

> >

> > I know this is alot of info, but if anyone else has

experienced

> > any of this with your child please let me know if this is typical

or

> > not. Just really worried!! Thanks!!

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Wendi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi !

Thank you!!!! : )

>

> Hi Wendi

>

> I am a Mom of an almost 3 yr old son on the spectrum. I also

> have two girls ages 14 and 22 that are NT. From what you have

> described..it can be very hard to tell. Especially my not being a Dr

> or Phd. But from one Mom to another I would say to get her an

> appointment asap to be evaluated. That is just from knowing how

> important it will be to know.... for her and yourself. Plus you want

> her to have the earliest available help possible, if needed. There

> are so many children that are not on the spectrum that do have

sensory

> issues going on. It does sound like your litle girl does have

sensory.

> Some of her behaviors could be linked to that. Some I can see could

> possibly fall under typical behavior. I think the global amount of

> difficulties she is having and frustration she shows  would warrant

> a good evaluation. Not feeling comfortable and or getting easily

> frustrated in doing new tasks is usally motor planning problems .

> If you model an action for her ..say you show spreading peanut

butter on bread

> and she resists or gets frustrated trying. You could practice doing

some

> had over hand with her. Help her hands do the task a few times. If

this

> helps then bingo..OT can help with this.

>

> If your daughter is at all on the spectrum..she is very high

functioning.

> Have you heard of Floortime and RDI? I would suggest reading the

book

> " Engaging Autism " by Stanley Greenspan. He also wrote " The child

with

> special needs "    both AWESOME. He really covers the sensory area

as well

> as explians how you can work with your child yourself using the

Floortime

> approach. Its also great for working on the language, conversation

and W

> questions. There is also a websight with lots of information at

www.floortime.org

> You really have to search all the RDI is also a great tool for

parents to use.

>

> You are at a really hard time right now. Not knowing. Good for you

for being

> on top of your daughters developement. Its much easier to get help

the younger

> the child is ( unfare but true) autism, aspergers, sensory,

ADHD ..any of these.

> If she tests to not be on the spectrum, you will be better capable

in how to

> help her and vise versa. Prayers for you and your family

>

>

>

>

> 39 and Mom to three

> Tasha 22 ooops..new Mommy ( Grammy to Kyri 18/m)

> Casey-Mae 14..sweet as pie

> Elijah 2 1/2... ASD and beautiful

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: AutismBehaviorProblems

> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:34:57 PM

> Subject: Typical or not typical?

>

>

> Hi Everyone!

>

> I know that no one here can diagnose my daughter, I just want to

> know if any parents out there are or have experienced this with a

> child and if it is typical behavior or not. Any info would be

GREAT!!

>

> My almost 5 year old daughter has not been diagnosed with

> anything but our 3 yo son has (classic autism). Though they have

> similiar characteristics, she is quite different from him. We have

> always thought she was a little " quirky " but we thought the same

> thing about our son until we got the news, so now I am very

concerned

> and feeling like I am going crazy.. haha! : )

>

> She has fine/gross motor issues (can't skip, low jumping, awkward

> running, can't swing herself, hard time holding pen & writing,

using

> utensils, zipping/buttoning) , she has sensory issues (hyper smell,

> taste, if spills water on shirt must change immediately, bath

> temperature, hyper hearing), frequent mood changes (very happy to

> very upset like flipping a switch and alot of times for no apparent

> reason or something really minor), avoids tasks/challenges w/o

trying

> if she knows she has a hard time with it, will quit soon after if

she

> has a hard time, very controlling in play (tells you what to do,

say,

> and if you don't becomes upset), frequently says: " I don't

> remember " , " I forgot " , " I can't " , " I don't know " . When I pick her

up

> from school, if I ask her what she did that day, she won't talk

about

> it or tells me she doesn't remember, gets upset or says I just want

> to listen to music. She wants to be social with children her own

age

> yet it seems as though she has problems initiating conversation/

play,

> does better with children younger than her. She walks around in

> circles talking to herself all the time, she flaps and flicks her

> fingers oddly, has problems with expressive language and WH

> questions, seems to be in a dream world most of the time, she talks

> loudly and laughs loudly, she gets confused when you ask her

> a " yes/no " question, she'll tell you yes when she means no then

gets

> upset b/c you did the yes and not the no. If you ask her, " how are

> you? " she always replies " four " , you have to specifically ask

> her " how she is doing " then she replies " fine " . She licks herself

and

> other things frequently. If we are driving in the car and she sees

> something, she can't explain what it is and gets upset b/c she

> believes you saw it (even when you didn't) and are not listening to

> her (you can't describe what it was b/c you didn't see it but she

> thinks you did)..

>

> I know this is alot of info, but if anyone else has experienced

> any of this with your child please let me know if this is typical

or

> not. Just really worried!! Thanks!!

>

> Sincerely,

> Wendi

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jenni!

Thank you and we'll keep you and your son in our prayers!

> >

> > Hi Everyone!

> >

> > I know that no one here can diagnose my daughter, I just want

> to

> > know if any parents out there are or have experienced this with a

> > child and if it is typical behavior or not. Any info would be

> GREAT!!

> >

> > My almost 5 year old daughter has not been diagnosed with

> > anything but our 3 yo son has (classic autism). Though they have

> > similiar characteristics, she is quite different from him. We

have

> > always thought she was a little " quirky " but we thought the same

> > thing about our son until we got the news, so now I am very

> concerned

> > and feeling like I am going crazy.. haha! : )

> >

> > She has fine/gross motor issues (can't skip, low jumping,

> awkward

> > running, can't swing herself, hard time holding pen & writing,

> using

> > utensils, zipping/buttoning), she has sensory issues (hyper

smell,

> > taste, if spills water on shirt must change immediately, bath

> > temperature, hyper hearing), frequent mood changes (very happy to

> > very upset like flipping a switch and alot of times for no

apparent

> > reason or something really minor), avoids tasks/challenges w/o

> trying

> > if she knows she has a hard time with it, will quit soon after if

> she

> > has a hard time, very controlling in play (tells you what to do,

> say,

> > and if you don't becomes upset), frequently says: " I don't

> > remember " , " I forgot " , " I can't " , " I don't know " . When I pick

her

> up

> > from school, if I ask her what she did that day, she won't talk

> about

> > it or tells me she doesn't remember, gets upset or says I just

want

> > to listen to music. She wants to be social with children her own

> age

> > yet it seems as though she has problems initiating

> conversation/play,

> > does better with children younger than her. She walks around in

> > circles talking to herself all the time, she flaps and flicks her

> > fingers oddly, has problems with expressive language and WH

> > questions, seems to be in a dream world most of the time, she

talks

> > loudly and laughs loudly, she gets confused when you ask her

> > a " yes/no " question, she'll tell you yes when she means no then

> gets

> > upset b/c you did the yes and not the no. If you ask her, " how

are

> > you? " she always replies " four " , you have to specifically ask

> > her " how she is doing " then she replies " fine " . She licks herself

> and

> > other things frequently. If we are driving in the car and she

sees

> > something, she can't explain what it is and gets upset b/c she

> > believes you saw it (even when you didn't) and are not listening

to

> > her (you can't describe what it was b/c you didn't see it but she

> > thinks you did).

> >

> > I know this is alot of info, but if anyone else has

experienced

> > any of this with your child please let me know if this is typical

> or

> > not. Just really worried!! Thanks!!

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Wendi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Wendi...I'm just now getting this...haven't read the other responses so my thought might sound a bit repetitive

When I read your sweet daughters characteristics...some seem "normal" 5 yr old. My daughter often says, "I don't know..." That is a huge thing at this age, so that alone is not enough to be concerned...neither are the gross motor...as I think NT children can have gross motor problems...a ton do... Lily my 5 yr old still cannot tie her shoes, and or zip, or button.....she gets easily frustrated, easily. My sweet Lily also can't be wet, can smell things I can't...hyper sensitive to smell, noise, etc....Lily benefits greatly from the brushing therapy I do with (my ASD) -- she also craved the prop...deep pressure massage, joint compression etc.....Mine does have sensory integration problems for sure.....We work with her a ton...

The part that sort of "jumps" out at me with regard to "typical, or not" is the spinning in circles, and the flicking of her fingers....now is it ASD? Maybe not...if so could it be so mild that with a little bit of OT and getting her sensitivities under "control?" I think it could....I do think she would benefit from seeing a developmental pediatrician, and or a developmental psychologist--Auditory processing problems as well as big time sensory integration problems can mimic that of Autism---they overlap big time, and some day, this is just my opinion, I think we are going to realize that it's all a part of the "spectrum"............Also she might really benefit from a social skills group...they offer them now at a lot of places....you might want to do that plus OT, and see how it goes...as unless she has to have a diagnosis for insurance purposes...you do not have to go that route at present.....in other words, treat the "symptoms" and take

some time...That's what we did with ....when we started ECI we pretty much new what we were dealing with, but not totally until he saw our neurologist......it was then that our suspicions were confirmed. But before that we were treating the "symptoms" regardless of the final diagnosis...does that make sense??? I know that girls are diagnosed with ASD less, not just because girls are less likely to be affected by Autism, but because girls "hide" it better...not all, but I think I read an article that said a huge percentage of girls do not get diagnosed even now until they are in there teens....Not because they didn't have it but because it didn't present itself as intensely as some of the boys......I'm rambling.

I say go with your gut. If you are concerned you can do a social skills group, and OT, and wait it out a little....or you can do the ruling in or out first with a developmental pediatrician...But please know that whatever it is, it seems like she really is high-functioning....get her help quickly though...do not wait to help her...that would be the only "mistake" you could make.....get her help quickly. Go with your gut.

Love to you, Wendi....

e

To: AutismBehaviorProblems Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:34:57 PMSubject: Typical or not typical?