Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 I posted previously about the importance of parents and guardians parenting children appropriately over being a child's 'friend' at the expense of appropriate parenting. I would like to include some pertinent information from various other sources that might help better explain the difference. From the BBC Wales Home Education pages: "Here are a few key things you can do as a parent, even when your children are very small. They will encourage your children to feel positive about themselves and to promote good behaviour -- which doesn't mean letting them do what they want all the time, but setting boundaries and disciplining in a useful way." From Helen Davies is a Key Stage 2 teacher from Pembrokeshire in Wales as well as a contributor to the BBC Wales Home Education says it's vital for parents to " build a framework for good behaviour in which your child knows what is acceptable and what is not [end quote]." According to and Larry Downing, creators of the very successful "Smart Choices" Program in 1997 in Asheville, NC as well as the authors of "Feel Good Parenting" and established family therapists themselves, " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 i am not arguing that parenting is not a serious business. I would suggest that the world's best parents have difficulty parenting some children. In this case, there is every chance that the parents do not share middle class values, so a whole lot of other social and cultural issues come into play and they may be doing their best but it may not be parenting appropriate to the needs of society now. They need support. Demonizing people is not helpful and nor is punishing them for social circumstances beyond their control. I woud sugges that Helen Davies herself would not be into that and having considerable knowledge of Glasser, he definitely would not. Feel Good Parenting I posted previously about the importance of parents and guardians parenting children appropriately over being a child's 'friend' at the expense of appropriate parenting. I would like to include some pertinent information from various other sources that might help better explain the difference. From the BBC Wales Home Education pages: "Here are a few key things you can do as a parent, even when your children are very small. They will encourage your children to feel positive about themselves and to promote good behaviour -- which doesn't mean letting them do what they want all the time, but setting boundaries and disciplining in a useful way." From Helen Davies is a Key Stage 2 teacher from Pembrokeshire in Wales as well as a contributor to the BBC Wales Home Education says it's vital for parents to " build a framework for good behaviour in which your child knows what is acceptable and what is not [end quote]." According to and Larry Down ing, creators of the very successful "Smart Choices" Program in 1997 in Asheville, NC as well as the authors of "Feel Good Parenting" and established family therapists themselves, " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 "In this case, there is every chance that the parents do not share middle class values, so a whole lot of other social and cultural issues come into play and they may be doing their best but it may not be parenting appropriate to the needs of society now."Again, you are being prejudicial here. There are indeed VALUES that will be different from class to class, but morals and ethics are taught equally across the board. They are taught in schools, religious institutions, via radio, TV and other media. In short, there is no place where people are not exposed to a baseline of morals and ethics, and all the morals and ethics we are exposed to both reflect and determine what society as a whole is thinking. I will acknowledge that all parents can pick and choose what to allow their children to see. All parents do it. Some won't let their kids see certain movies until they reach a certain age. Others do not care. Some parents will use dope openly in front of their kids and don't care if their kids do the same. Yet although these things MAY be more likely to happen in lower class neighborhoods, they do happen in ALL neighborhoods, and they SHOULD happen in NO neighborhood if society imparts the idea that these things aremorally and ethically wrong. "They need support."Why? If they are poor, they may need financial support. If they are homeless, they may need shelter. If they are without employment, they may need a job. If they are naked, they may need to be clothed. If they are hungry, they may need o be fed. I agree that they could benefit from this sort of support and I would agree that they should have it.But if they have all of these things, then what sort of support should they be given? Why should they be entitled to any more support than any of the rest of us got? Please explain how it is that if a society's morals and ethics are made clear to everyone no matter where one lives, some people should receive more help than others if they willingly choose to break those rules?The boy's parents did not know where the child was while the boy broke into a zoo before it opened, bludgeoned a bunch of animals to death and fed a bunch of live ones to a crocodile. There are a number of societal morals and ethics that were broken here and the entire family would have to be living in a closet for all of their lives not to know this. What this is is a case of negligence on the part of the parents and a boy who is engaging in disturbed behavior. What the child needs is a psych work-up and the parents need to be prosecuted for negligence, sued by the zoo. In this way the child will be helped and the parents will be taught in a new way that they need to supervise their kid because obviously everything else that they have been taught up until now did not work with them. "Demonizing people is not helpful and nor is punishing them for social circumstances beyond their control."I am not punishing them for social circumstances beyond their control. their socio-economic status, whatever it may be, is what it is. Their moral and ethical choices are perfectly within their control, but they chose their own route. With those choice come the appropriate consequences. This is the way society works. When a fireman rescues a kitten from a tree, why, we write a newspaper article about him. When a kid throws live animals to a croc and beats a bunch of other animals to death while smiling, we either punish them or give them a psych eval. It's the way the world works. It's the way the world has always worked. Only criminals and psychologically disturbed indiciduals don't knowthis or don't care. And so appropriate actions are taken to ensure that these individuals either fall in line or are put away from society where they can do no further harm.Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Still quite behind with the posts so sorry if someone has already commented with same thoughts. " Demonizing people is not helpful and nor is punishing them for social circumstances beyond their control. " Mmmmmm I would question 'beyond their control' to some extent. Okay we don't all live in ideal situations/circumstances however we still have choices, how one parents their child/ren is a choice despite one's social circumstances. > > i am not arguing that parenting is not a serious business. I would suggest that the world's best parents have difficulty parenting some children. In this case, there is every chance that the parents do not share middle class values, so a whole lot of other social and cultural issues come into play and they may be doing their best but it may not be parenting appropriate to the needs of society now. They need support. Demonizing people is not helpful and nor is punishing them for social circumstances beyond their control. > > I woud sugges that Helen Davies herself would not be into that and having considerable knowledge of Glasser, he definitely would not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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