Re: Black Eyed Peas

[Guest guest]

, that's not how the industry works and I can assure you that you

would not be the only person who has ever tried to contact the Black

Eyed Peas with a similar request.

If your friend, Kim Hill, is not a professional musician of some note

(pardon the pun), management won't consider her, the record label will

avoid her like the plague (for legal reasons) and the BEP members will

not know about her since they are hyperfocused on their own solo and

group efforts and projects.

Rather than waste countless hours trying to make the impossible happen,

I would strongly suggest perhaps buying her a CD by the BEP when the

other Kim Hill was a member of the group.

Raven

P.S. , I don't know if you are aware of this but the Black Eyed

Peas love to make fun of people with disabilities in their songs. It's

one of the main reasons I do not allow any of their music to be played

in my presence.

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In FAMSecretSociety , Irelan

wrote: Does anyone know the mailing address and phone number for the

Black Eyed Peas?  The reason I'm asking is because I know someone who

has the same name as one of their former members, Kim Hill; and I'm

wanting to help Kim get hired to perform with the band by calling them

and telling them who she is and asking if she could talk about

performing with the band.  She's the one I e-mailed this group earlier

about and that I'm hoping to become pretty good friends with.  If

anyone has any information about how to contact this rock band, I'd

appreciate it.  I've tried googling and didn't have much luck.

> God bless, Irelan

>

[Guest guest]

I did get a Black Eyed Peas CD, but it wasn't from when Kim Hill was with the group. My goal is to get an audition for her and to get her to do a lot of practice with at least one song. I'm hoping she can memorize one song. Since most of their songs are raps, it shouldn't be too hard to sound like a professional musician because you don't need much of a singing voice to rap. I noticed there was a lot of profanity on their album. The idea is to try to fool them over the phone into thinking that the Kim Hill who used to be in the group is wanting to come over and talk about performing with the group without actually lying and saying she's THE Kim Hill who used to be in the group. My ultimate goal is to get her in the group and maybe get her voice on a CD. I definitely intend to give the CD I bought to her the next

time I get a chance to talk to her.

God bless, Irelan

[Guest guest]

There are legal issues with such an approach, namely that you are

falsely representing her.

[Guest guest]

I know your heart is in the right place, , but your idea for

getting YOUR Kim Hill an audition is going to backfire.

First of all, THE Kim Hill would have HER management team contact the

Black Eyed Peas management team IF she was interested in rejoining the

group either for a one off event or recording or a more extensive hook

up.

And whether you realize it or not, being a good vocalist isn't just

about melody. A formidable rapper has to have impeccable rhythm, a

great understanding of form and function of words and the ability to

free style. Free style is rapping without a pre-set text to memorize.

One last comment, . Unless music is YOUR Kim Hill's dream, it

won't matter how much you want to make this happen for her. The

passion has to be hers and not yours.

While what you want to do for her is touching, I think you should re-

think how you want to help her out.

If she wants to get into music, then help her hone her skill as an

artist first and then do local gigs where people in her community can

get to know her. From there, things might start to take off for her.

Keep in mind that the music industry is a cut-throat business and very

few people actually make it big. You're lucky indeed if you can

actually earn a decent living from this business.

Raven

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I did get a Black Eyed Peas CD, but it wasn't from when Kim

Hill was with the group.  My goal is to get an audition for her and to

get her to do a lot of practice with at least one song.  I'm hoping she

can memorize one song.  Since most of their songs are raps, it

shouldn't be too hard to sound like a professional musician because you

don't need much of a singing voice to rap.  I noticed there was a lot

of profanity on their album.  The idea is to try to fool them over the

phone into thinking that the Kim Hill who used to be in the group is

wanting to come over and talk about performing with the group without

actually lying and saying she's THE Kim Hill who used to be in the

group.  My ultimate goal is to get her in the group and maybe get her

voice on a CD.  I definitely intend to give the CD I bought to her the

next time I get a chance to talk to her.

> God bless, Irelan

[Guest guest]

Well as far as the legal issues are concerned, her name is Kim Hill; and unless we actually lied and said she was the same Kim Hill who performed with the group before, I don't see a problem. If her management team that would be contacting the Black Eyed Peas, I'll call them myself if I can just get their phone number and act as her manager. I definitely won't do it until she's got at least one song down pat as well as I know some Beach Boy songs like Little Deuce Coupe. If that group had an opening for joining, I'd probably do pretty good because the Beach Boys are my favorite secular group. I'll try to encourage her to get a drive for performing music as a career.

God bless, Irelan

[Guest guest]

Yes, but if you say she was a member of their group, then it would be

falsely identifying her.

[Guest guest]

In that case, I won't do it. I don't like lying. Now does anyone know what their phone number is?God bless, Irelan

[Guest guest]

I get that YOUR Kim Hill's legal name is Kim Hill just as the BEP's

Kim Hill's legal name is Kim Hill. The unlawfulness of the situation

is that you would knowingly allow others to mistakenly believe YOUR

Kim Hill was THE Kim Hill until such a time as you would have to

reveal the truth that YOUR Kim Hill is not THE Kim Hill.

Think of it the two woman as if they were cars, . If YOUR Kim

Hill was a Mustang and THE Kim Hill was a Ferrari then allowing

someone to believe they were buying a Ferrari when you knew they were

buying a Mustang would be an illegal transaction. You would be

charged with a crime.

The same will happen if you persist in presenting YOUR Kim Hill as

you have outlined in your previous emails. I wouldn't want to see

either you or your friend entangled in legal issues when your

intentions are kind to begin with, .

No one wants to see you get yourself into a situation because you

didn't know what the rules are regarding these sorts of things.

Raven

Well as far as the legal issues are

concerned, her name is Kim Hill; and unless we actually lied and said

she was the same Kim Hill who performed with the group before, I

don't see a problem.  If her management team that would be contacting

the Black Eyed Peas, I'll call them myself if I can just get their

phone number and act as her manager.  I definitely won't do it until

she's got at least one song down pat as well as I know some Beach Boy

songs like Little Deuce Coupe.  If that group had an opening for

joining, I'd probably do pretty good because the Beach Boys are my

favorite secular group.  I'll try to encourage her to get a drive for

performing music as a career.

> God bless, Irelan

>

[Guest guest]

OK, , I have found their MySpace page. Just copy and paste this

link into your browser. There is a link for emailing them.

http://www.myspace.com/blackeyedpeas

Please, please, please, please, please don't let them mistakenly think

that you are talking about THE Kim Hill when you are talking about YOUR

Kim Hill.

Raven

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Irelan wrote: In that case, I won't do it.  I

don't like lying.  Now does anyone know what their phone number is?

> God bless, Irelan

[Guest guest]

Nobody's buying this Kim Hill yet. I'd just basically be calling and saying that I'm Kim Hill's manager and asking if we could come over and talk about her singing with the group over the phone. All we'd do is talk over the phone. I know they'd see that she's not the same Kim Hill as the other one; but if she can sing anywhere near as good, they might decide to hire her anyway. IMO, she's better than the other Kim Hill. If nothing else, I'll at least get to spend a few hours with her if she agrees to go along with my idea, which will be nice since I've got a crush on her. Now about the phone number. Does anyone know what it is?God bless, Irelan

[Guest guest]

Re:

> Well as far as the legal issues are concerned, her name is Kim Hill; and

> unless we actually lied and said she was the same Kim Hill who performed

> with the group before, I don't see a problem.

You " don't see a problem " but the Black-Eyed Peas legal staff

certainly will. Businesses just don't appreciate such " not actually

lying " same-name maneuvers as you describe: in fact, the Black-Eyed

Peas' attorneys could very easily use your e-mail message as proof

that you had engaged in a conspiracy to try getting people to help you

commit fraud in connection with Black-Eyed Peas.

Kate Gladstone

[Guest guest]

I've tried clicking on the link and copying and pasting it onto the website spot, and it causes problems because we've got a crappy computer. The computer becomes unresponsive, and I always get forced to shut it down. Can you please tell me the contact information on their myspace? I just need a phone number and the address of their headquarters.

God bless, Irelan

[Guest guest]

Can someone please help me with the contact information on the Black Eyed Peas? Everytime I try to click on the link, the computer locks up on me and becomes unresponsive because it's a pretty crappy computer. If anyone can help me by copying the contact information from the Myspace link and sending it to me, I'd appreciate it very much. I'm mainly interested in a phone number and the street address of their headquarters. If the only contact information available is an e-mail address, I suppose that'll do.

God bless, Irelan

[Guest guest]

" Can someone please help me with the contact information on the Black

Eyed Peas?  Everytime I try to click on the link, the computer locks

up on me and becomes unresponsive because it's a pretty crappy

computer.  If anyone can help me by copying the contact information

from the Myspace link and sending it to me, I'd appreciate it very

much.  I'm mainly interested in a phone number and the street address

of their headquarters.  If the only contact information available is

an e-mail address, I suppose that'll do. "

, no one is going to do what you're asking because what you're

planning to do with the information is legally questionable and no

one wants to implicate thmselves. I would look at your computer

freezing up on you as divine intervention.

It would be best for you to stop perseverating on this and give it up.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

I'm not going to mention that I got contact information for the Black Eyed Peas from anyone in this group, and I'm not planning on breaking any laws by saying she's THE Kim Hill who used to perform with the group before when she isn't. Now I need help please.

God bless, Irelan

[Guest guest]

" I'm not going to mention that I got contact information for the Black

Eyed Peas from anyone in this group, and I'm not planning on breaking

any laws by saying she's THE Kim Hill who used to perform with the

group before when she isn't. Now I need help please. "

Sorry . It's not going to come from me or, I daresay, Raven.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

Sorry. , not from me either.

[Guest guest]

Why not? You know how important this is to me. I've been trying to make friends with this girl for months, and a chance for her to get a high paying job might work. You can just as well be implicated for giving me the MySpace link as you can for giving me the information that's on that link. Now I need the information please. There's no reason to think I'm going to do anything illegal. All I'm going to do is call them up and tell them that I'm Kim Hill's manager and ask if we can come over and talk about her performing with the group. If they ask me over the phone if she's THE Kim Hill, I'll be honest and tell them she isn't.

God bless, Irelan

[Guest guest]

OK, , here are the reasons why we cannot help you any further

than we already have.

The MySpace page is a public profile page that anyone can access and

therefore, providing you with that link is not illegal. Anyone with

an Internet connection can access the public page at MySpace. It is

not locked to the public so there is no implication of being

complicit in breaking the law in providing a link to a public page on

the Internet.

You have stated here what you intend to do and what you intend to do

is to mislead people for your own selfish purposes, that being to

have YOUR Kim Hill be indebted to you for having tried to get her

a 'high paying job' despite the fact that YOUR Kim Hill isn't

interested in being a hip hop artist.

To provide you with the email address that is at the MySpace page

would be to become complicit in your deception towards the Black Eyed

Peas. It would mean that the person giving you that email address

you cannot -- for whatever reason -- get yourself from their MySpace

page, they would be agreeing with you that breaking the law is a good

idea.

By giving you that email address, and knowing what you intend to do

with that email address, that person would become an accomplice to

your unlawful behaviour.

And there is EVERY reason to believe that you may do something

illegal because you have posted repeatedly over the past few days

what you intend to do with the information, all of which is illegal.

Furthermore, omission of the truth is a lie. Misrepresentation of

the facts is a lie. Skewing the facts is a lie.

What's more, YOUR Kim Hill has not expressed any desire to be a hip

hop artist and in pulling together your elaborate scheme, you will

reduce the likelihood that YOUR Kim Hill will want to be involved

with you even as a friend. Why? Because your actions will show her

that you disregard other people's rights and you disrespect people in

order to get what you want. In other words, you don't care about

other people -- you only care about what YOU want to see happen in

the situation.

When you care about someone, you do things that are supportive of

what they hope to achieve and you do it within the parameters of the

law.

, no one here will help you break the law. And no one here will

help you harass this female.

Raven

>

> Why not?  You know how important this is to me.  I've been trying

to make friends with this girl for months, and a chance for her to

get a high paying job might work.  You can just as well be implicated

for giving me the MySpace link as you can for giving me the

information that's on that link.  Now I need the information please. 

There's no reason to think I'm going to do anything illegal.  All I'm

going to do is call them up and tell them that I'm Kim Hill's manager

and ask if we can come over and talk about her performing with the

group.  If they ask me over the phone if she's THE Kim Hill, I'll be

honest and tell them she isn't.

> God bless, Irelan

>

[Guest guest]

,

My husband happens to have the same name as well known physican and one

day we received an email that was addressed to this doctor. The first

thing that occurred to us to do was to write back to the mistaken sender

of the message to clarify the mixup.

It would be wrong if my husband tried to call for an interview with a

hospital just because his name is the same as a doctor. He does not

have the qualifications and schooling that the physican has, so would be

found out quickly. What a waste of time the endeavor would be for both

parties, besides unlawfully assuming another's identity.

Also, proposing to get someone a job without their approval is wrong

too. I would be very upset if someone would do what you are trying to

do for this girl, without talking to me first. What gives anyone the

right to try to change someone's life without their permission?

I think you are trying to win this girls affections or attention but

going about it the wrong way.

Kim

[Guest guest]

Kim wrote: " ... <snip> ... Also, proposing to get someone a job

without their approval is wrong, too. I would be very upset if someone

would do what you are trying to do for this girl, without talking to me

first. What gives anyone the right to try to change someone's life

without their permission? ... <snip> ... "

Even if she WAS in the music industry, she would be supremely annoyed

at best with someone deciding to misrepresent the situation starting

with the " I'm Kim Hill's manager " comment.

Management is a team the artist interviews before deciding upon to

represent the artist in any professional situation.

I find the entire situation to be a poorly thought out attempt on

's part to gain favour with this female.

Whatever happened to just being one's self when trying to cultivate and

grow a real friendship? When did that stop being enough?

Raven

[Guest guest]

> Whatever happened to just being one's self when trying to cultivate

and

> grow a real friendship? When did that stop being enough?

It never has when it comes to long lasting relationships. Anyone worth

having would never ask for you to be anything but yourself. False

pretenses lead to bad endings, so why waste time with deceit?

Kim

[Guest guest]

Raven wrote: " Whatever happened to just being one's self when trying

to cultivate and grow a real friendship? When did that stop being

enough? "

Kim responded: " It never has when it comes to long lasting

relationships. Anyone worth having would never ask for you to be

anything but yourself. False pretenses lead to bad endings, so why

waste time with deceit? "

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No one likes to be on the receiving end of a bait-and-switch deal.

Judy Garland was quoted as saying, " Always be a first rate version of

yourself, and not a second rate version of someone else. " I agree

with that comment.

Friedrich Nietzsche was quoted as saying, " Assuming that it does no

harm, the lie is beautiful and charming. " The thing is, lies ALWAYS

do harm to the integrity of the individual and to the integrity of

the situation.

I say that anything that begins in a lie will always end badly

because the lie eats away at everything.

I have had my AS boyfriend ask me what, if anything, I would change

about him if I could and I have told him that, in all honesty, I

would change nothing because in changing ONE small thing, that change

would then change EVERYTHING.

Ask anyone who has ever asked for someone else's recipe only to learn

that one or two important ingredients were 'altered' so the recipe

wouldn't taste the same. :-o

Raven

[Guest guest]

She hasn't said that she wasn't interested in being a hip hop artist. I haven't had the chance to ask her yet; and if she is, then I want to do everything in my power to help her out; and there's nothing illegal about just asking if we can talk about performing with the group. If she says she's not interested, I'll respect that and do nothing further to encourage her.

God bless, Irelan

[Guest guest]

As I just said, I'm not going to call the group if the Kim Hill doesn't want me to. I'll respect her wish. If she'd rather just keep the job she's got now and not bother pursuing a career in music, then I'll respect her wish. As for being myself, this is being myself. Just because she happens to have the same name as one of their former members and isn't the same one doesn't mean she shouldn't have a chance to perform with the group if she wants to, and I'm not going to quit asking until I get the information I need for contacting the group.

I might try googling again with different wording than I used before.

God bless, Irelan " ... <snip> ... Also, proposing to get someone a job without their approval is wrong, too. I would be very upset if someone would do what you are trying to do for this girl, without talking to me first. What gives anyone the right to try to change someone's life without their permission? ... <snip> ... "Even if she WAS in the music industry, she would be supremely annoyed at best with someone deciding to misrepresent the situation starting with the "I'm Kim Hill's manager" comment.Management is a team the artist interviews before deciding upon to represent the artist in any professional situation.I find the entire situation to be a poorly thought out attempt on 's part to gain favour with this female.Whatever happened to just being one's self when trying to cultivate and grow a real friendship? When did that stop being

enough?Raven