Re: Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train?

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Omg! Potty monkey is ingenious!!!! I'm ordering one now!!

Thank you,

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I agree with you. I too think it turns going to the potty into a negative experience.

Patty

[DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train?

Argg..I have had several rough days here potty training my son , who is five. Before I started, I looked at old messages here, read 'potty training in less than a day', got potty videos, a wetting doll, potty, and lots of underwear. My son is getting resistant to sitting and I've now really gone the route of bribing him with icing, marshmallow fluff or peanut butter...I originally gave him a treat only if he produced in the potty, but now he is becoming less willing to go and so I'm bribing him with a treat for just the initial sitting...then I'm entertaining him while he sits so he sits long enough to be successful. This is not the original method I used on the first days (I went more by the book)..but he is more willing to sit than he had been. I thought on my third day, when he started the day with 2 successes, including a poop in the potty, that we were onto something, but he had 3 accidents (1 success) later that day and it's been hit or miss these last two days. Day one had 8 accidents, 3 successes. Today I did something I now regret, which is to be with him there for an hour while we listened to songs and looked at books..I knew he needed to go and wanted to link his success with treats, but on the last trip today he was impatient about using it again. He also needed a nap and didn't get one so he was tired and cranky...I think I should have just skipped that last try for success (he eventually did but was cranky and only partially enjoyed his success). He hits his head when I say the word 'pee' (but he himself says it rarely and I praise him each time) he is much more willing to say potty. I think it may come from me saying pee and trying him to say it when I do the practice runs.If you have used the 'training in a day method' what is your opinion of the 'positive practice runs' in response to an accident? (practice runs=having him go from site of accident to potty, pull down pants, sit, then up, go back, repeat) I'm thinking that by making the practice runs as a deterrent for having accidents, you make the process of going to the potty an unhappy one. Only a few times did I do the complete 10 runs. During the positive practice I did encourage him along the way, especially when he did things willingly, and he sometimes responded well, but other times he cried.Sorry to go on for so long...but these days have been exhausting for me and my once enjoyable summer is fun no more. Any advice or encouragement will be thoroughly appreciated!Sue------------ --------- --------- ------1. Anything suggested on this site or opinions offered are not intended to be medical or pharmaceutical advice or otherwise take the place of your physicians orders, nor to diagnose or treat your specific health problems. Please discuss all methods of treatment with your practitioner. 2 *****WARNING: Flames and inappropriate treatment of other members on this list will NOT be tolerated.3. Our HOME page is http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/DownSyndro meInfoExchange where all archived posts as well as photos,links, files, articles etc. are found. You "MUST" have a Yahoo ID and pass word to enter it.To contact Carol, owner & moderatordoihavtasay@ comcast.netTo contact Kathy, owner & moderatorkathy_rCOMCAST (DOT) NETTo contact , owner & moderatornoliptoday@bellsout h.net

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I agree with you. I too think it turns going to the potty into a negative experience.

Patty

[DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train?

Argg..I have had several rough days here potty training my son , who is five. Before I started, I looked at old messages here, read 'potty training in less than a day', got potty videos, a wetting doll, potty, and lots of underwear. My son is getting resistant to sitting and I've now really gone the route of bribing him with icing, marshmallow fluff or peanut butter...I originally gave him a treat only if he produced in the potty, but now he is becoming less willing to go and so I'm bribing him with a treat for just the initial sitting...then I'm entertaining him while he sits so he sits long enough to be successful. This is not the original method I used on the first days (I went more by the book)..but he is more willing to sit than he had been. I thought on my third day, when he started the day with 2 successes, including a poop in the potty, that we were onto something, but he had 3 accidents (1 success) later that day and it's been hit or miss these last two days. Day one had 8 accidents, 3 successes. Today I did something I now regret, which is to be with him there for an hour while we listened to songs and looked at books..I knew he needed to go and wanted to link his success with treats, but on the last trip today he was impatient about using it again. He also needed a nap and didn't get one so he was tired and cranky...I think I should have just skipped that last try for success (he eventually did but was cranky and only partially enjoyed his success). He hits his head when I say the word 'pee' (but he himself says it rarely and I praise him each time) he is much more willing to say potty. I think it may come from me saying pee and trying him to say it when I do the practice runs.If you have used the 'training in a day method' what is your opinion of the 'positive practice runs' in response to an accident? (practice runs=having him go from site of accident to potty, pull down pants, sit, then up, go back, repeat) I'm thinking that by making the practice runs as a deterrent for having accidents, you make the process of going to the potty an unhappy one. Only a few times did I do the complete 10 runs. During the positive practice I did encourage him along the way, especially when he did things willingly, and he sometimes responded well, but other times he cried.Sorry to go on for so long...but these days have been exhausting for me and my once enjoyable summer is fun no more. Any advice or encouragement will be thoroughly appreciated!Sue------------------------------------1. Anything suggested on this site or opinions offered are not intended to be medical or pharmaceutical advice or otherwise take the place of your physicians orders, nor to diagnose or treat your specific health problems. Please discuss all methods of treatment with your practitioner. 2 *****WARNING: Flames and inappropriate treatment of other members on this list will NOT be tolerated.3. Our HOME page is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DownSyndromeInfoExchange where all archived posts as well as photos,links, files, articles etc. are found. You "MUST" have a Yahoo ID and pass word to enter it.To contact Carol, owner & moderatordoihavtasay@...To contact Kathy, owner & moderatorkathy_r@...To contact , owner & moderatornoliptoday@...

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suewe trained annie who is now 7 by time mostlyit takes awhile but doable getting upright after eating breakfasthour half laterbefore lunchright after lunchhour half laterhour half laterbefore supperright aftergetting ready for bedthen right before bedusing it on em who is 8 with rubenstein taybi syndromewe give 2 m an m's for bm is toliet1 if she is dryso far best that has worked i do not like bribing themshe is also non verbal and working on using the potty signour 5 who is low iq and was a 26 week preemie we did the schedule with and now he is about 95% dry and cleanno m an m's for him i also did no books no toys no music i sat on the edge of the tub for a timeno longer than 5 min and we

set a timer so if they could not go they knew they would not be thereforeverat the school for our 8 yr old they also did this gave a drink and in 15 to 20 tolieting we tried it for a yearand she did good but then annie was in the hospital and the system fell apart - the guys here just could not do allthat - so this year em was resistant to their system sowe came up with a new onewe also try to not say much just change and move onnow i just say its potty time and have all 3 take their turnswe have 2 bathrooms downstairs so its not to hard to doroxFrom:

sue_matthews_mom To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 11:08:49 PMSubject: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train?

Argg..

I have had several rough days here potty training my son , who is five. Before I started, I looked at old messages here, read 'potty training in less than a day', got potty videos, a wetting doll, potty, and lots of underwear.

My son is getting resistant to sitting and I've now really gone the route of bribing him with icing, marshmallow fluff or peanut butter...I originally gave him a treat only if he produced in the potty, but now he is becoming less willing to go and so I'm bribing him with a treat for just the initial sitting...then I'm entertaining him while he sits so he sits long enough to be successful. This is not the original method I used on the first days (I went more by the book)..but he is more willing to sit than he had been. I thought on my third day, when he started the day with 2 successes, including a poop in the potty, that we were onto something, but he had 3 accidents (1 success) later that day and it's been hit or miss these last two days. Day one had 8 accidents, 3 successes. Today I did something I now regret, which is to be with him there for an hour while we listened to songs and looked at books..I knew he needed to go and wanted to link his

success with treats, but on the last trip today he was impatient about using it again. He also needed a nap and didn't get one so he was tired and cranky...I think I should have just skipped that last try for success (he eventually did but was cranky and only partially enjoyed his success). He hits his head when I say the word 'pee' (but he himself says it rarely and I praise him each time) he is much more willing to say potty. I think it may come from me saying pee and trying him to say it when I do the practice runs.

If you have used the 'training in a day method' what is your opinion of the 'positive practice runs' in response to an accident? (practice runs=having him go from site of accident to potty, pull down pants, sit, then up, go back, repeat) I'm thinking that by making the practice runs as a deterrent for having accidents, you make the process of going to the potty an unhappy one. Only a few times did I do the complete 10 runs. During the positive practice I did encourage him along the way, especially when he did things willingly, and he sometimes responded well, but other times he cried.

Sorry to go on for so long...but these days have been exhausting for me and my once enjoyable summer is fun no more. Any advice or encouragement will be thoroughly appreciated!

Sue

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I didn’t do the ‘ten times’ routine…when

Danny had an accident, I would have him take his wet clothes off by himself, gave

him a warm, soapy washcloth and told him to wash his legs,,whatever else got wet..and

I would tell him how gross it felt to be wet, doesn’t it feel better to

be dry,,,yada yada. It was never negative, because I didn’t use the

washing up as a negative thing, but praised him for helping clean himself up,

focused on how awful it felt to be cold and wet.

Have you tried giving him lots to drink on the day that he is

working on training? If he has to go a lot, then he can probably go as soon as

he gets on the potty…won’t have to sit there a long time each time.

Danny never did say the words ‘potty’ or ‘pee’

when he was training…he rarely signed it at first…initially, I just

put him on the toilet every couple of hours…then he got to the point

where if he needed to go, he would just go to the bathroom and call me when he

got there…then it got to the point where the only way that I knew he had

gone into the bathroom was because I heard the door shut..I made a big deal of ‘me’

using the word, but he just wasn’t able to say it, so I didn’t push

it,,it took a few years before he could actually say it, but in the meantime,

he was able to get himself to the bathroom without telling me first.

Hang in there…I nearly gave up because Danny had several

days where he would be in ‘big boy’ pants..he would pee down his

leg and all over the floor and not even seem to notice..but with the cleaning

up/my comments about how yucky it felt to be wet, he eventually caught on and didn’t

have any more accidents.

KathyR

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while I potty train?

I agree with you. I too think it turns going to the potty

into a negative experience.

Patty

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Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train?

Argg..

I have had several rough days here potty training my son , who is

five. Before I started, I looked at old messages here, read 'potty

training in less than a day', got potty videos, a wetting doll, potty, and lots

of underwear.

My son is getting resistant to sitting and I've now really gone the route of

bribing him with icing, marshmallow fluff or peanut butter...I originally gave

him a treat only if he produced in the potty, but now he is becoming less

willing to go and so I'm bribing him with a treat for just the initial

sitting...then I'm entertaining him while he sits so he sits long enough to be

successful. This is not the original method I used on the first days (I

went more by the book)..but he is more willing to sit than he had been. I

thought on my third day, when he started the day with 2 successes, including a

poop in the potty, that we were onto something, but he had 3 accidents (1

success) later that day and it's been hit or miss these last two days.

Day one had 8 accidents, 3 successes. Today I did something I now regret,

which is to be with him there for an hour while we listened to songs and looked

at books..I knew he needed to go and wanted to link his success with treats,

but on the last trip today he was impatient about using it again. He also

needed a nap and didn't get one so he was tired and cranky...I think I should

have just skipped that last try for success (he eventually did but was cranky

and only partially enjoyed his success). He hits his head when I say the

word 'pee' (but he himself says it rarely and I praise him each time) he is

much more willing to say potty. I think it may come from me saying pee

and trying him to say it when I do the practice runs.

If you have used the 'training in a day method' what is your opinion of the

'positive practice runs' in response to an accident? (practice

runs=having him go from site of accident to potty, pull down pants, sit, then

up, go back, repeat) I'm thinking that by making the practice runs as a

deterrent for having accidents, you make the process of going to the potty an

unhappy one. Only a few times did I do the complete 10 runs. During

the positive practice I did encourage him along the way, especially when he did

things willingly, and he sometimes responded well, but other times he cried.

Sorry to go on for so long...but these days have been exhausting for me and my

once enjoyable summer is fun no more. Any advice or encouragement will be

thoroughly appreciated!

Sue

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Yes, thanks! I'll switch to just having him clean up and stopping whatever

activity we were doing...I had done that yesterday instead of the practice runs.

I'll just have to have him go more often and for less duration as you guys are

suggesting. I was trying to have him avoid sitting, getting off, and promptly

going in his pants. He was enjoying himself while he was on the potty but it

isn't right to have him think that going to the potty is a long process. Well,

we're both learning...

Sue

>

> I didn't do the 'ten times' routine.when Danny had an accident, I would have

> him take his wet clothes off by himself, gave him a warm, soapy washcloth

> and told him to wash his legs,,whatever else got wet..and I would tell him

> how gross it felt to be wet, doesn't it feel better to be dry,,,yada yada.

> It was never negative, because I didn't use the washing up as a negative

> thing, but praised him for helping clean himself up, focused on how awful it

> felt to be cold and wet.

>

> Have you tried giving him lots to drink on the day that he is working on

> training? If he has to go a lot, then he can probably go as soon as he gets

> on the potty.won't have to sit there a long time each time.

>

> Danny never did say the words 'potty' or 'pee' when he was training.he

> rarely signed it at first.initially, I just put him on the toilet every

> couple of hours.then he got to the point where if he needed to go, he would

> just go to the bathroom and call me when he got there.then it got to the

> point where the only way that I knew he had gone into the bathroom was

> because I heard the door shut..I made a big deal of 'me' using the word, but

> he just wasn't able to say it, so I didn't push it,,it took a few years

> before he could actually say it, but in the meantime, he was able to get

> himself to the bathroom without telling me first.

>

> Hang in there.I nearly gave up because Danny had several days where he would

> be in 'big boy' pants..he would pee down his leg and all over the floor and

> not even seem to notice..but with the cleaning up/my comments about how

> yucky it felt to be wet, he eventually caught on and didn't have any more

> accidents.

>

> KathyR

>

>

>

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> [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Patty

> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:40 AM

> To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange

> Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Arggg...How can I stay sane while I

> potty train?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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> I agree with you. I too think it turns going to the potty into a negative

> experience.

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>

>

> Patty

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this monkey helped us a lot, together with the booklet that comes with it

http://www.pottymd.com/PottyMonkey.asp

But in s case, because of her sensory issues, I am convinced she didnt feel the urge, nor wetness, so I firmly believe that if she hadnt started the CM protocol, specially fluoxetine in her case (now she is on Zoloft), we would still be hitting water (or in this case, pee...) ;-)

Pat--- Em sex, 19/6/09, Kathy escreveu:

De: Kathy Assunto: RE: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train?Para: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Data: Sexta-feira, 19 de Junho de 2009, 15:12

I didn’t do the ‘ten times’ routine…when Danny had an accident, I would have him take his wet clothes off by himself, gave him a warm, soapy washcloth and told him to wash his legs,,whatever else got wet..and I would tell him how gross it felt to be wet, doesn’t it feel better to be dry,,,yada yada. It was never negative, because I didn’t use the washing up as a negative thing, but praised him for helping clean himself up, focused on how awful it felt to be cold and wet.

Have you tried giving him lots to drink on the day that he is working on training? If he has to go a lot, then he can probably go as soon as he gets on the potty…won’t have to sit there a long time each time.

Danny never did say the words ‘potty’ or ‘pee’ when he was training…he rarely signed it at first…initially, I just put him on the toilet every couple of hours…then he got to the point where if he needed to go, he would just go to the bathroom and call me when he got there…then it got to the point where the only way that I knew he had gone into the bathroom was because I heard the door shut...I made a big deal of ‘me’ using the word, but he just wasn’t able to say it, so I didn’t push it,,it took a few years before he could actually say it, but in the meantime, he was able to get himself to the bathroom without telling me first.

Hang in there…I nearly gave up because Danny had several days where he would be in ‘big boy’ pants..he would pee down his leg and all over the floor and not even seem to notice..but with the cleaning up/my comments about how yucky it felt to be wet, he eventually caught on and didn’t have any more accidents.

KathyR

m: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:DownSyndrom eInfoExchange@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of PattySent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:40 AMTo: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.comSubject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train?

I agree with you. I too think it turns going to the potty into a negative experience.

Patty

[DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train?

Argg..I have had several rough days here potty training my son , who is five. Before I started, I looked at old messages here, read 'potty training in less than a day', got potty videos, a wetting doll, potty, and lots of underwear. My son is getting resistant to sitting and I've now really gone the route of bribing him with icing, marshmallow fluff or peanut butter...I originally gave him a treat only if he produced in the potty, but now he is becoming less willing to go and so I'm bribing him with a treat for just the initial sitting...then I'm entertaining him while he sits so he sits long enough to be successful. This is not the original method I used on the first days (I went more by the book)..but he is more willing to sit than he had been. I thought on my third day, when he started the day with 2 successes, including a poop in the potty, that we were onto something, but he had 3 accidents (1

success) later that day and it's been hit or miss these last two days. Day one had 8 accidents, 3 successes. Today I did something I now regret, which is to be with him there for an hour while we listened to songs and looked at books..I knew he needed to go and wanted to link his success with treats, but on the last trip today he was impatient about using it again. He also needed a nap and didn't get one so he was tired and cranky...I think I should have just skipped that last try for success (he eventually did but was cranky and only partially enjoyed his success). He hits his head when I say the word 'pee' (but he himself says it rarely and I praise him each time) he is much more willing to say potty. I think it may come from me saying pee and trying him to say it when I do the practice runs.If you have used the 'training in a day method' what is your opinion of the 'positive practice runs' in response to an

accident? (practice runs=having him go from site of accident to potty, pull down pants, sit, then up, go back, repeat) I'm thinking that by making the practice runs as a deterrent for having accidents, you make the process of going to the potty an unhappy one. Only a few times did I do the complete 10 runs. During the positive practice I did encourage him along the way, especially when he did things willingly, and he sometimes responded well, but other times he cried.Sorry to go on for so long...but these days have been exhausting for me and my once enjoyable summer is fun no more. Any advice or encouragement will be thoroughly appreciated!Sue------------ --------- --------- ------1. Anything suggested on this site or opinions offered are not intended to be medical or pharmaceutical advice or otherwise take the place of your physicians orders, nor to diagnose or treat your specific health

problems. Please discuss all methods of treatment with your practitioner. 2 *****WARNING: Flames and inappropriate treatment of other members on this list will NOT be tolerated.3. Our HOME page is http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/DownSyndro meInfoExchange where all archived posts as well as photos,links, files, articles etc. are found. You "MUST" have a Yahoo ID and pass word to enter it.To contact Carol, owner & moderatordoihavtasay@ comcast.netTo contact Kathy, owner & moderatorkathy_rCOMCAST (DOT) NETTo

contact , owner & moderatornoliptoday@bellsout h.net

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Another thing that you might want to try when he gets better at

going when he is on the potty…after he starts his stream, make a game of seeing

if he can stop when you tell him to…start, stop, start ..stop…that seemed to

help Danny be aware of how it felt when he had to go, how it felt to stop…that

he COULD stop if he needed to..which was useful in helping him ‘hold it in’ on

the way to the potty. We used lots of praise when he was practicing this, and

he thought it was fun;-)

KathyR

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[mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of sue_matthews_mom

Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 11:30 AM

To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange

Subject: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Arggg...How can I stay sane

while I potty train?

Yes, thanks! I'll switch to just having him

clean up and stopping whatever activity we were doing...I had done that

yesterday instead of the practice runs. I'll just have to have him go more

often and for less duration as you guys are suggesting. I was trying to have

him avoid sitting, getting off, and promptly going in his pants. He was

enjoying himself while he was on the potty but it isn't right to have him think

that going to the potty is a long process. Well, we're both learning...

Sue

>

> I didn't do the 'ten times' routine.when Danny had an accident, I would

have

> him take his wet clothes off by himself, gave him a warm, soapy washcloth

> and told him to wash his legs,,whatever else got wet..and I would tell him

> how gross it felt to be wet, doesn't it feel better to be dry,,,yada yada.

> It was never negative, because I didn't use the washing up as a negative

> thing, but praised him for helping clean himself up, focused on how awful

it

> felt to be cold and wet.

>

> Have you tried giving him lots to drink on the day that he is working on

> training? If he has to go a lot, then he can probably go as soon as he

gets

> on the potty.won't have to sit there a long time each time.

>

> Danny never did say the words 'potty' or 'pee' when he was training.he

> rarely signed it at first.initially, I just put him on the toilet every

> couple of hours.then he got to the point where if he needed to go, he

would

> just go to the bathroom and call me when he got there.then it got to the

> point where the only way that I knew he had gone into the bathroom was

> because I heard the door shut..I made a big deal of 'me' using the word,

but

> he just wasn't able to say it, so I didn't push it,,it took a few years

> before he could actually say it, but in the meantime, he was able to get

> himself to the bathroom without telling me first.

>

> Hang in there.I nearly gave up because Danny had several days where he

would

> be in 'big boy' pants..he would pee down his leg and all over the floor

and

> not even seem to notice..but with the cleaning up/my comments about how

> yucky it felt to be wet, he eventually caught on and didn't have any more

> accidents.

>

> KathyR

>

>

>

> m: DownSyndromeInfoExchange

> [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ]

On Behalf Of Patty

> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:40 AM

> To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange

> Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Arggg...How can I stay sane while

I

> potty train?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I agree with you. I too think it turns going to the potty into a negative

> experience.

>

>

>

> Patty

[Guest guest]

ONe thing I noticed is that when does pee in the toilet, he seems to

push it out, take a breath, and push some more...there were times in the first

days when he would try to push some more when he didn't have anymore pee..that

was when he was getting the first big fun rewards and maybe he just wanted to

try some more for a treat.

Well today all we've had were two accidents...one just about 10 minutes after I

put him in underwear for the morning, and now just a little while ago when he

was outside playing..he had tried on the potty for a few minutes before we went

out. Oh well. I'd like him to have at least one success each day.

These 'training in a day' books say that special needs kids can be trained in an

average of 3 days with their process, so I thought I'd give their method a try.

Now I'm going with the more old fashioned route I guess...keep them in

underwear, keep trying every once in a while, and reward for success. Probably

take a month.

Sue

> >

> > I didn't do the 'ten times' routine.when Danny had an accident, I would

> have

> > him take his wet clothes off by himself, gave him a warm, soapy washcloth

> > and told him to wash his legs,,whatever else got wet..and I would tell him

> > how gross it felt to be wet, doesn't it feel better to be dry,,,yada yada.

> > It was never negative, because I didn't use the washing up as a negative

> > thing, but praised him for helping clean himself up, focused on how awful

> it

> > felt to be cold and wet.

> >

> > Have you tried giving him lots to drink on the day that he is working on

> > training? If he has to go a lot, then he can probably go as soon as he

> gets

> > on the potty.won't have to sit there a long time each time.

> >

> > Danny never did say the words 'potty' or 'pee' when he was training.he

> > rarely signed it at first.initially, I just put him on the toilet every

> > couple of hours.then he got to the point where if he needed to go, he

> would

> > just go to the bathroom and call me when he got there.then it got to the

> > point where the only way that I knew he had gone into the bathroom was

> > because I heard the door shut..I made a big deal of 'me' using the word,

> but

> > he just wasn't able to say it, so I didn't push it,,it took a few years

> > before he could actually say it, but in the meantime, he was able to get

> > himself to the bathroom without telling me first.

> >

> > Hang in there.I nearly gave up because Danny had several days where he

> would

> > be in 'big boy' pants..he would pee down his leg and all over the floor

> and

> > not even seem to notice..but with the cleaning up/my comments about how

> > yucky it felt to be wet, he eventually caught on and didn't have any more

> > accidents.

> >

> > KathyR

> >

> >

> >

> > m: DownSyndromeInfoExchange

> <mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange%40yahoogroups.com>

> > [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange

> <mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Patty

> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:40 AM

> > To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange

> <mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Arggg...How can I stay sane while

> I

> > potty train?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I agree with you. I too think it turns going to the potty into a negative

> > experience.

> >

> >

> >

> > Patty

>

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I feel the same way about my daughter. That she doesn't feel the need or the wetness doesn't bother her. What is fluoxetine? We have an appt to meet with her doctors next month to discuss the possible use of medication to help relieve some anxiety issues. My daughter is 13 and has a dual diagnosis of Down Syndrome and Autism. Thanks!-Carla Mayer this monkey helped us a lot, together with the booklet that comes with it http://www.pottymd. com/PottyMonkey. asp But in s case, because of her sensory issues, I am convinced she didnt feel the urge, nor wetness, so I firmly believe that if she hadnt started the CM protocol, specially fluoxetine in her case (now she is on Zoloft), we would still be hitting water (or in this case, pee...) ;-) Pat --- Em sex, 19/6/09, Kathy <Kathy_Rcomcast (DOT) net> escreveu: De: Kathy <Kathy_Rcomcast (DOT) net> Assunto: RE: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train? Para: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com Data: Sexta-feira, 19 de Junho de 2009, 15:12 I didn’t do the ‘ten times’ routine…when Danny had an accident, I would have him take his wet clothes off by himself, gave him a warm, soapy washcloth and told him to wash his legs,,whatever else got wet..and I would tell him how gross it felt to be wet, doesn’t it feel better to be dry,,,yada yada. It was never negative, because I didn’t use the washing up as a negative thing, but praised him for helping clean himself up, focused on how awful it felt to be cold and wet. Have you tried giving him lots to drink on the day that he is working on training? If he has to go a lot, then he can probably go as soon as he gets on the potty…won’t have to sit there a long time each time. Danny never did say the words ‘potty’ or ‘pee’ when he was training…he rarely signed it at first…initially, I just put him on the toilet every couple of hours…then he got to the point where if he needed to go, he would just go to the bathroom and call me when he got there…then it got to the point where the only way that I knew he had gone into the bathroom was because I heard the door shut...I made a big deal of ‘me’ using the word, but he just wasn’t able to say it, so I didn’t push it,,it took a few years before he could actually say it, but in the meantime, he was able to get himself to the bathroom without telling me first. Hang in there…I nearly gave up because Danny had several days where he would be in ‘big boy’ pants..he would pee down his leg and all over the floor and not even seem to notice..but with the cleaning up/my comments about how yucky it felt to be wet, he eventually caught on and didn’t have any more accidents. KathyR m: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:DownSyndrom eInfoExchange@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Patty Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:40 AM To: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train? I agree with you. I too think it turns going to the potty into a negative experience. Patty [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train? Argg.. I have had several rough days here potty training my son , who is five. Before I started, I looked at old messages here, read 'potty training in less than a day', got potty videos, a wetting doll, potty, and lots of underwear. My son is getting resistant to sitting and I've now really gone the route of bribing him with icing, marshmallow fluff or peanut butter...I originally gave him a treat only if he produced in the potty, but now he is becoming less willing to go and so I'm bribing him with a treat for just the initial sitting...then I'm entertaining him while he sits so he sits long enough to be successful. This is not the original method I used on the first days (I went more by the book)..but he is more willing to sit than he had been. I thought on my third day, when he started the day with 2 successes, including a poop in the potty, that we were onto something, but he had 3 accidents (1 success) later that day and it's been hit or miss these last two days. Day one had 8 accidents, 3 successes. Today I did something I now regret, which is to be with him there for an hour while we listened to songs and looked at books..I knew he needed to go and wanted to link his success with treats, but on the last trip today he was impatient about using it again. He also needed a nap and didn't get one so he was tired and cranky...I think I should have just skipped that last try for success (he eventually did but was cranky and only partially enjoyed his success). He hits his head when I say the word 'pee' (but he himself says it rarely and I praise him each time) he is much more willing to say potty. I think it may come from me saying pee and trying him to say it when I do the practice runs. If you have used the 'training in a day method' what is your opinion of the 'positive practice runs' in response to an accident? (practice runs=having him go from site of accident to potty, pull down pants, sit, then up, go back, repeat) I'm thinking that by making the practice runs as a deterrent for having accidents, you make the process of going to the potty an unhappy one. Only a few times did I do the complete 10 runs. During the positive practice I did encourage him along the way, especially when he did things willingly, and he sometimes responded well, but other times he cried. Sorry to go on for so long...but these days have been exhausting for me and my once enjoyable summer is fun no more. Any advice or encouragement will be thoroughly appreciated! Sue ------------ --------- --------- ------ 1. Anything suggested on this site or opinions offered are not intended to be medical or pharmaceutical advice or otherwise take the place of your physicians orders, nor to diagnose or treat your specific health problems. 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He's had two accidents and two successes and I'm having him nap. I looked

online for ways to help getting kids to pee on the potty and one suggested the

old hand in warm water trick. It worked with today twice..I put some

toys in a container of warm water and he peed right away. Seems like a tricky

trick though..but maybe ok at this beginning stage when he just needs to

associate peeing with sitting on the toilet. Of course with his curious ways

the last time he dumped the toys and all the water out even while I was gripping

it...it went mostly on himself and he was not happy. So his reward-time ended

unhappy..I tried my best to turn it happier, but we'll see how much he likes the

warm toys the next time...

Sue

[Guest guest]

it is Prozac, and part of the CM Protocol, that was tested on model mice with DS. The mice produced a lot of new neurons. It works best together with ginko biloba. Our experience is described on a bolg (though I havent updated recently):

http://changingbrains..wordpress.com/

though my daughter hasnt been diagnosed with autism, she did have some repetitive behaviours - dangling things, blinking eyes to light, constant leaking, that got much better after we started prozac. A friend of mine whose son has autism (not ds) has also taken it for some time with good results. ask your doctor to refer you to a good pediatric psychiatrist. they have a lot of experience with these drugs. Prozac is so old that it became generic.

Good luck

Pat

http://www.changingmindsfoundation.org/

--- Em sex, 19/6/09, Carla Mayer escreveu:

De: Carla Mayer Assunto: RE: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train?Para: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Data: Sexta-feira, 19 de Junho de 2009, 20:09

I feel the same way about my daughter. That she doesn't feel the need or the wetness doesn't bother her. What is fluoxetine? We have an appt to meet with her doctors next month to discuss the possible use of medication to help relieve some anxiety issues. My daughter is 13 and has a dual diagnosis of Down Syndrome and Autism. Thanks!

-Carla Mayer

this monkey helped us a lot, together with the booklet that comes with it

http://www.pottymd. com/PottyMonkey. asp

But in s case, because of her sensory issues, I am convinced she didnt feel the urge, nor wetness, so I firmly believe that if she hadnt started the CM protocol, specially fluoxetine in her case (now she is on Zoloft), we would still be hitting water (or in this case, pee...) ;-)

Pat

--- Em sex, 19/6/09, Kathy <Kathy_Rcomcast (DOT) net> escreveu:

De: Kathy <Kathy_Rcomcast (DOT) net>

Assunto: RE: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train?

Para: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com

Data: Sexta-feira, 19 de Junho de 2009, 15:12

I didn’t do the ‘ten times’ routine…when Danny had an accident, I would have him take his wet clothes off by himself, gave him a warm, soapy washcloth and told him to wash his legs,,whatever else got wet..and I would tell him how gross it felt to be wet, doesn’t it feel better to be dry,,,yada yada. It was never negative, because I didn’t use the washing up as a negative thing, but praised him for helping clean himself up, focused on how awful it felt to be cold and wet.

Have you tried giving him lots to drink on the day that he is working on training? If he has to go a lot, then he can probably go as soon as he gets on the potty…won’t have to sit there a long time each time.

Danny never did say the words ‘potty’ or ‘pee’ when he was training…he rarely signed it at first…initially, I just put him on the toilet every couple of hours…then he got to the point where if he needed to go, he would just go to the bathroom and call me when he got there…then it got to the point where the only way that I knew he had gone into the bathroom was because I heard the door shut...I made a big deal of ‘me’ using the word, but he just wasn’t able to say it, so I didn’t push it,,it took a few years before he could actually say it, but in the meantime, he was able to get himself to the bathroom without telling me first.

Hang in there…I nearly gave up because Danny had several days where he would be in ‘big boy’ pants..he would pee down his leg and all over the floor and not even seem to notice..but with the cleaning up/my comments about how yucky it felt to be wet, he eventually caught on and didn’t have any more accidents.

KathyR

m: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:DownSyndrom eInfoExchange@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Patty

Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:40 AM

To: DownSyndromeInfoExc hange@yahoogroup s.com

Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train?

I agree with you. I too think it turns going to the potty into a negative experience.

Patty

[DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train?

Argg..

I have had several rough days here potty training my son , who is five. Before I started, I looked at old messages here, read 'potty training in less than a day', got potty videos, a wetting doll, potty, and lots of underwear.

My son is getting resistant to sitting and I've now really gone the route of bribing him with icing, marshmallow fluff or peanut butter...I originally gave him a treat only if he produced in the potty, but now he is becoming less willing to go and so I'm bribing him with a treat for just the initial sitting...then I'm entertaining him while he sits so he sits long enough to be successful. This is not the original method I used on the first days (I went more by the book)..but he is more willing to sit than he had been. I thought on my third day, when he started the day with 2 successes, including a poop in the potty, that we were onto something, but he had 3 accidents (1 success) later that day and it's been hit or miss these last two days. Day one had 8 accidents, 3 successes. Today I did something I now regret, which is to be with him there for an hour while we

listened to songs and looked at books..I knew he needed to go and wanted to link his success with treats, but on the last trip today he was impatient about using it again. He also needed a nap and didn't get one so he was tired and cranky...I think I should have just skipped that last try for success (he eventually did but was cranky and only partially enjoyed his success). He hits his head when I say the word 'pee' (but he himself says it rarely and I praise him each time) he is much more willing to say potty. I think it may come from me saying pee and trying him to say it when I do the practice runs.

If you have used the 'training in a day method' what is your opinion of the 'positive practice runs' in response to an accident? (practice runs=having him go from site of accident to potty, pull down pants, sit, then up, go back, repeat) I'm thinking that by making the practice runs as a deterrent for having accidents, you make the process of going to the potty an unhappy one. Only a few times did I do the complete 10 runs. During the positive practice I did encourage him along the way, especially when he did things willingly, and he sometimes responded well, but other times he cried.

Sorry to go on for so long...but these days have been exhausting for me and my once enjoyable summer is fun no more. Any advice or encouragement will be thoroughly appreciated!

Sue

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I used " potty training in a day', with modifications, and was very successful.

My son, then 4.5 trained in 1 week over the Christmas vacation.

The change I made that made the difference was to tell him " pee & poo are dirty

- it has to go in the toilet " and after every mistake he had to have a shower

(he hated showers) to get clean, plus he had to wash his clothing. I never made

it to be a punishment, just a fact. 'oh oh, now these are dirty and we have to

wash them'. Same thing with the shower 'your body is dirty, you have to get

clean'. I also used the reward system for dry pants.

My son was consistantly using the potty for about 10 days when he had an

accident. I repeated the complete procedure and he had no more accidents! He

was testing me, I think.

Initially it takes a bit of time, but well worth it. Also I think it works

because it takes more of the child's time so they realize using the potty is

faster and easier than the pants!

Good luck.

Jewel

>

> Argg..

> I have had several rough days here potty training my son , who is five.

Before I started, I looked at old messages here, read 'potty training in less

than a day', got potty videos, a wetting doll, potty, and lots of underwear.

>

> My son is getting resistant to sitting and I've now really gone the route of

bribing him with icing, marshmallow fluff or peanut butter...I originally gave

him a treat only if he produced in the potty, but now he is becoming less

willing to go and so I'm bribing him with a treat for just the initial

sitting...then I'm entertaining him while he sits so he sits long enough to be

successful. This is not the original method I used on the first days (I went

more by the book)..but he is more willing to sit than he had been. I thought on

my third day, when he started the day with 2 successes, including a poop in the

potty, that we were onto something, but he had 3 accidents (1 success) later

that day and it's been hit or miss these last two days. Day one had 8

accidents, 3 successes. Today I did something I now regret, which is to be with

him there for an hour while we listened to songs and looked at books..I knew he

needed to go and wanted to link his success with treats, but on the last trip

today he was impatient about using it again. He also needed a nap and didn't

get one so he was tired and cranky...I think I should have just skipped that

last try for success (he eventually did but was cranky and only partially

enjoyed his success). He hits his head when I say the word 'pee' (but he

himself says it rarely and I praise him each time) he is much more willing to

say potty. I think it may come from me saying pee and trying him to say it when

I do the practice runs.

>

> If you have used the 'training in a day method' what is your opinion of the

'positive practice runs' in response to an accident? (practice runs=having him

go from site of accident to potty, pull down pants, sit, then up, go back,

repeat) I'm thinking that by making the practice runs as a deterrent for having

accidents, you make the process of going to the potty an unhappy one. Only a

few times did I do the complete 10 runs. During the positive practice I did

encourage him along the way, especially when he did things willingly, and he

sometimes responded well, but other times he cried.

>

> Sorry to go on for so long...but these days have been exhausting for me and my

once enjoyable summer is fun no more. Any advice or encouragement will be

thoroughly appreciated!

>

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks! Yes now what I'm doing is when he has an accident, he has to take his

dirty clothes off, put them in the washer, clean any mess he has made, then

clean himself, put on new clothes. Sometimes it makes him upset to do this,

sometimes he laughs and runs with his clothes to the washer. He's had two

accidents today so far, no successes. I've been timing things and was just

going to have him go to the potty in a few minutes when he had an accident.

Afterwards, he had another trip to the potty, then another accident.

Frustrating. This is my seventh day of training, the first days were more

intensive training. I guess I'll just have to have many more days of this and

hopefully he gets it in a few weeks.

He's not happy when I initially suggest and then bring him to the toilet, but

after he gets ready and sits up there, he is ok for a while. I don't want to

push him too hard and make him dislike it. He often hits his head when I talk

about peeing in the potty or suggesting he go.

Sue

>

> I used " potty training in a day', with modifications, and was very successful.

My son, then 4.5 trained in 1 week over the Christmas vacation.

>

> The change I made that made the difference was to tell him " pee & poo are

dirty - it has to go in the toilet " and after every mistake he had to have a

shower (he hated showers) to get clean, plus he had to wash his clothing. I

never made it to be a punishment, just a fact. 'oh oh, now these are dirty and

we have to wash them'. Same thing with the shower 'your body is dirty, you have

to get clean'. I also used the reward system for dry pants.

>

> My son was consistantly using the potty for about 10 days when he had an

accident. I repeated the complete procedure and he had no more accidents! He

was testing me, I think.

>

> Initially it takes a bit of time, but well worth it. Also I think it works

because it takes more of the child's time so they realize using the potty is

faster and easier than the pants!

>

> Good luck.

>

> Jewel

[Guest guest]

What I find confusing is that when you look for advice in books/online, some

folks say that you shouldn't disapprove of an accident, just clean it up.

Others say that you should point out their mistake, and make them clean it up,

etc. In the potty training in a day book, you should say 'no no no' and then

have them do the potty practice runs.

I have him feel his pants for the wetness, make him clean himself up and put his

clothes away, etc.

It makes sense to me that there is some negative consequence of an accident (but

not yelling) and then positive results/encouragement for success.

Arg...three accidents today and he doesn't like to go on the potty very much. I

keep trying to find new toys and attractive things for when he's on the potty

but maybe all this rigamarole is confusing him.

Sue

[Guest guest]

take a deep breath maybe he is not ready and you need to back offsometimes this is the best you can do not only for himbut for you - it will come in the right time for himalso reconsider the toys etc bathroom is for one thing potty - its a matter of fact something everyone needs to do take a week or two off if it were me - i would take some time to pray specifically abouthis potty training - for him and yourself a few minutes each day - ask for God ideas - some of the ideas I have gotten from Godare so unique and they have worked so welllthe books are fine to read about how to do it but really have these people who wrote them lived your life and just how many kidsdid they train. you have not failed so relax the time is

just not rightroxTo: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:18:01 PMSubject: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Arggg...How can I stay sane while I potty train?

What I find confusing is that when you look for advice in books/online, some folks say that you shouldn't disapprove of an accident, just clean it up. Others say that you should point out their mistake, and make them clean it up, etc. In the potty training in a day book, you should say 'no no no' and then have them do the potty practice runs.

I have him feel his pants for the wetness, make him clean himself up and put his clothes away, etc.

It makes sense to me that there is some negative consequence of an accident (but not yelling) and then positive results/encourageme nt for success.

Arg...three accidents today and he doesn't like to go on the potty very much. I keep trying to find new toys and attractive things for when he's on the potty but maybe all this rigamarole is confusing him.

Sue

[Guest guest]

Wow, what a difference a day makes!! Yippee! Yesterday, got it..he

simply got it. No accidents all day..he sits on the potty and will eventually

pee. he takes a look at books, toys etc...and when he's done with them he looks

down and pees. I don't know if it's the m & m's (he's never had them before), the

warm water trick I used one day, or just his gradual learning over a week, but

he definitely knows what is to be done on the potty! He still isn't thrilled

about leaving his playing to go to the potty, but once he's there he's ok. He

took a big step yesterday and he's doing the same thing today. We just now need

to work on him communicating to us about the potty, and also leaning forward

when he pees (half the time it goes on the floor..ick)I've sprayed Fantasitic

around so much lately I should feel.....fantastic. but I'll surely take those

issues over the big frustration it was to introduce potty training.

Thanks for all the advice and allowing me to vent here! I know the accidents

will occur, but he's got it..he's got it! :-)

Sue

[Guest guest]

Hurray!!!;-)

From:

DownSyndromeInfoExchange

[mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of sue_matthews_mom

Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 3:22 PM

To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange

Subject: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Arggg...How can I stay sane

while I potty train?

Wow, what a difference a day makes!! Yippee!

Yesterday, got it..he simply got it. No accidents all day..he sits on

the potty and will eventually pee. he takes a look at books, toys etc...and

when he's done with them he looks down and pees. I don't know if it's the

m & m's (he's never had them before), the warm water trick I used one day, or

just his gradual learning over a week, but he definitely knows what is to be

done on the potty! He still isn't thrilled about leaving his playing to go to

the potty, but once he's there he's ok. He took a big step yesterday and he's

doing the same thing today. We just now need to work on him communicating to us

about the potty, and also leaning forward when he pees (half the time it goes

on the floor..ick)I've sprayed Fantasitic around so much lately I should

feel.....fantastic. but I'll surely take those issues over the big frustration

it was to introduce potty training.

Thanks for all the advice and allowing me to vent here! I know the accidents

will occur, but he's got it..he's got it! :-)

Sue