Re: UK doctor sentenced for growth hormones.

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ly in my opinion the Doctor was trying to do what she believed was

best for the boy... assuming that the boy's growth plates had not fussed

yet and he wasn't giving him extremely high doses... To go to the next

level of intervention would be extremely invasive...

(

Distraction osteogenesis, that is sometimes use on patients with

Achondroplasia) would be excessive and be considered abusive

but since it would not involve the continued use of " performance

enhancing drugs " would not have been noticed by society that insists

on minding every one else's business... If she had gone for the

surgical option the kid would have gotten the 2-4 " enchainment

whether regardless of if they pull the mom's medical license... once they

install/implant the hardware to lengthen the bones they really have to

complete the process... or they would leave the kid permanently

crippled... And getting an extra year or so of regular growth in addition

to the lengthening would put him on a more level field with his peers...

And get he kid a trainer to help him build some muscle to go with the

height...

Ender...

At 12:44 PM 6/27/2008, you wrote:

The

doctor was simply recognizing a fundamental tenet of human society:

height = good. If a person, especially a male, is tall, they are

automatically deemed of great worth, greater than someone shorter than

them. We see this in the fact that there is difference in pay amongst men

over $1,000 per inch. It is one of the enshrined forms of bias that will

never be addresses or eliminated.

Of course, there is the old saying: God made men, but Sam Colt made them

equal.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,372705,00.html

Doctor Faked Prescriptions, Gave Son Growth Hormone to Avoid

Bullying

Friday, June 27, 2008

A British doctor may no longer be able to practice medicine after she

allegedly faked prescriptions for growth hormones for her son, London’s

Daily Mail reported Thursday.

Rehab Al Jumaily, 51, who is 5 feet tall, feared her 13-year-old son

would be bullied if he ended up as short as the rest of his

family.

The teenager, who is 5 feet 2 inches tall and not being named because of

legal reasons, has been bullied once at school.

Al Jumaily, a partner in a West Hull, England, surgery practice, admitted

she used fake names to write prescriptions for the growth hormone drug

Genetropin, which she injected into her son, the Mail reported.

Al Jumaily, of Dunswell, England, told a court she and her husband are

short and their 16-year-old daughter, who is 4 feet 11-inches tall, had

stopped growing at the age of 11, the story says.

Al Jumaily received a fine and was to appear before the General Medical

Council to determine if she is fit to continue practicing medicine, the

Mail reported.

Rob Leeson

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There is a difference between what is right for the child and what the parent's think is right for the child. So the kid might turn out to be shorter than average. That wouldn't be a problem if people still didn't have a caveman way of looking at things.

I don't have a problem with my height, which is 5'4". I don't need to eat as much as bigger people, I don't take up as much space and I'm sure I get better gas mileage that the bigger folks.

The problem is that other people have problems with my height. They seem to feel that just because their eyes angle down when they look at me that I am of less value than they are, just like because my eyes angle up, I'm supposed to think they are superior to me.

It is amusing that when I was in high school and when I first went to college I was this same height but skinny. People tended to give me a lot of trouble, even right in my face. Later, after I finally put on weight via weight training (for years I couldn't put on an ounce no matter what I tried), people would leave me alone even though I'm still short. I know they still think less of me, they just won't say it now because they think I could hurt them if they did. Still get the same attitude, just not as openly.

Anyway, this is another sore subject. My father looked into getting me on growth hormones but fortunately my pediatrician told him that I didn't need them. Xrays did show that my growth plates were normal and that I would be about the height I currently am. Growth hormones would have done me a lot of harm. Still, my father tried for a while to get me on them anyway. Just another close call at his hands.

ly in my opinion the Doctor was trying to do what she believed was best for the boyGas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.

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I'm not suggesting the kid try to get big enough to fight the bully

just to be average enough to not have a target painted on his back...

When you stand out in a crowd you get noticed and when a bully

notices you; you appear to be easy prey they will attack... Being

near average and to be able to feel, and act (or at least buff) that

you can take care of yourself will turn off most causal bullies..

with out the need for a confrontation...

Ender

Sorry for the funny formating on the first post

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This is true. That is why I dress kind of blue collar so I blend in more around here and most other places I go. If I dressed GQ or in a suit and tie, I would attract attention, not to mention being very uncomfortable.

Like I said in the other post, I don't get much trouble these days because I'm muscular. I tend to walk with a little confidence and I'm generally aware of what is going on around me, without staring at people and all that. I also avoid the more troublesome looking people without appearing to, which helps a lot.

Mostly though blending in and watching out for trouble and being somewhere else when it comes works out well.

I'm not suggesting the kid try to get big enough to fight the bully just to be average enough to not have a target painted on his back... When you stand out in a crowd you get noticed and when a bully notices you; you appear to be easy prey they will attack... Being near average and to be able to feel, and act (or at least buff) that you can take care of yourself will turn off most causal bullies.. with out the need for a confrontation...EnderGas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.

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" ly in my opinion the Doctor was trying to do what she believed

was best for the boy.. "

COULD be, but...

Two questions:

1) Why did she not take him to another doctor who would prescribe the

necessary drug?

I am postulating that the British National Healthcare System would not

pay for the drug or treatment because the boy's height was not causing

any physical problems, and so she took matters into her own hands.

2) Why did she feel the need to take maters into her own hands ANYWAY???

Rephrased: Why would it matter whether or not the kid was short?

The answer is twofold:

1) Kids and adults who are short are discrimated against and bullied,

and witnessing this happening with her child, she wanted to take steps

to prevent a lifetime of this sort of thing, and

2) Perhaps she herself, though short, bears some grudge against those

who are not tall. In other words, what she hates in herself, she

persecutes in her child.

's indignation over this issue is justified.

I had one friend who was about a foot shorter than I in elementary

school. Now grown, he is a foot and a half shorter than I. This friends

entire family (save his sister and one brother) was short. His mother,

father, and one brother had to sit on telephone books to drive cars.

They encountered a lot of discrimination and bullying when I knew them.

They endured it, and they all loved themselves for who they were, but I

am sure they have sometimes wished that they could be taller because

they knew you could not change tall people's inherent prejudices

against shorter people. I daresay we ALL have a degree of prejudice, if

not morbid curiosity about short people. Anyone who is more than three

feet tall and who has ever seen a migit or a dwarf has probably done a

double-take upon seeing them.

Irhink what this woman did was wrong. In effect, she was abusing her

medical license.

But I can see the " why " of it IF her reason was to spare her kid the

persecution she endured through most of her life.

If her reasoning is that she resented her kid, then her reasons were

appalling.

Administrator

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" Sorry for the funny formating on the first post. "

No problem. Sometimes I find Yahoo's Rich Text Format problematical.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

I agree that what the child wants and what the parent wants and things is

right for the child are not the same thing... It is entirely

possible and probable that a 13 yo boy would know about HGH and be

begging his parents for it and other " performance enhancing

drugs " as a way to deal with peer abuse... and low dosage HGH

would have minimal risks for a healthy 13 yo... As you suggest the choice

on whether to intervene is a judgement call in most cases and currently

in the US a matter of if the parents can afford the cost (or at least the

co-pay) for the treatment.

I'm 5'5 " and for the most part I don't have a problem with it... To

be taller than average would be much more of a pain than where I am... I

fit in coach airline seats and the back seat of most any car... but I do

sometimes need to use the bottom or on rare occasion the first shelf as a

step to reach the top shelf at the supermarket... The most annoying

thing is buying clothes... my legs a shorter than my 65 " would

suggest so even if/when I go anorexic buying pants off the shelf is

hard... as is finding jackets that don't make me look like a kid wearing

my big brother or dad's coat...

I was always shorter than my peers and to make it worse I had problems

with my weight, short and chubby is the kiss of death even if you have a

completely normal nervous system. But even as high functioning as I

am for the most past I could avoid being a target of opportunity to any

one with a frustration they wanted to take out on someone that

couldn't/wouldn't fight back... The kid were bad but they for the

most part didn't know better. The adults that and a needed to

attack a kid to boost their own ego deserve a special hell of the

own... By third year of High School I had discovered that it was

easier to not eat when I didn't have my parent to insist I eat... and

that made my lunch money available to buy electron parts and books... And

I lost like 30lbs... In retrospect that is likely where I screwed myself

out of an inch or to length in my legs and arms... By then the only

people that still delighted in attacking me were the PE instructors and

few teachers that coach the athletic teams in addition or

teaching...

I just noticed I drifted off topic badly sorry... But I have been in need

of venting for a while... forgive me... I'd delete it but then it wouldnt

be vented...

My point was if the rest of the world didn't work to make life unpleasant

(by commission and omission) for people that are in some way different

from the norm it would be a much nicer place to life... But there

are nearly 500000000 year of evolutions driving all life forms to

seek to eliminate any thing the is not that life form... In short the

life form that best endure and propagate despite of the pollution and

other hazards caused by life forms that are " not them " will be

the master of it's environment

Ender

At 09:39 PM 6/27/2008, VISIGOTH wrote:

There is a

difference between what is right for the child and what the parent's

think is right for the child. So the kid might turn out to be shorter

than average. That wouldn't be a problem if people still didn't have a

caveman way of looking at things.

I don't have a problem with my height, which is 5'4 " . I don't need

to eat as much as bigger people, I don't take up as much space and I'm

sure I get better gas mileage that the bigger folks.

The problem is that other people have problems with my height. They seem

to feel that just because their eyes angle down when they look at me that

I am of less value than they are, just like because my eyes angle up, I'm

supposed to think they are superior to me.

It is amusing that when I was in high school and when I first went to

college I was this same height but skinny. People tended to give me a lot

of trouble, even right in my face. Later, after I finally put on weight

via weight training (for years I couldn't put on an ounce no matter what

I tried), people would leave me alone even though I'm still short. I know

they still think less of me, they just won't say it now because they

think I could hurt them if they did. Still get the same attitude, just

not as openly.

Anyway, this is another sore subject. My father looked into getting me on

growth hormones but fortunately my pediatrician told him that I didn't

need them. Xrays did show that my growth plates were normal and that I

would be about the height I currently am. Growth hormones would have done

me a lot of harm. Still, my father tried for a while to get me on them

anyway. Just another close call at his hands.

In a message dated 6/27/2008 4:30:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

enderwiggin52@... writes:

ly in my opinion the Doctor was

trying to do what she believed was best for the boy

[Guest guest]

" I just noticed I drifted off topic badly sorry... But I have been in

need of venting for a while... forgive me... I'd delete it but then it

wouldnt be vented... "

Feel free to vent whenever you'd like. This forum can be used for that

purpose as well as any other.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

I agree with everything you said. I rarely have problems fitting into seats and even coach seating on the airlines wasn't too bad. The private compartments, or first class, on Amtrak are typically small, roughly 3.5 by 6.5 feet, but were comfortable for me, though I would frequently get up and walk the corridors. Clothes can also be a problem for me, too.

I was short and skinny growing up. That's wasn't any fun either, particularly because it made me look even smaller than I really was. I caught a lot of grief on many levels for it.

Most of humanity physically left the caves eons ago, but the caves have not yet moved out of them.

My point was if the rest of the world didn't work to make life unpleasant (by commission and omission) for people that are in some way different from the norm it would be a much nicer place to life... But there are nearly 500000000 year of evolutions driving all life forms to seek to eliminate any thing the is not that life form... In short the life form that best endure and propagate despite of the pollution and other hazards caused by life forms that are "not them" will be the master of it's environmentEnder Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars.